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(In reply to David Edmundson from comment #2)
> >yes, the feature has been removed and due to the huge problem and added
> >complexity it gave, is not going back.
>
> Then close the bug.
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It may feel harsh but it's just the frustration of years of ignoring it.
It wasn't just the wallpaper, but also the fact that I could rearrange every
virtual desktop with programmes, folders etc. so that it was
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--- Comment #492 from Satyam ---
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> Then you've already shown a lot of ability to suffer.
>
> After the last KDE 4.X I tried to make friends with Plasma (KDE 5) and then
> I changed to XFCE 4.X. I was annoyed.
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Then you've already shown a lot of ability to suffer.
After the last KDE 4.X I tried to make friends with Plasma (KDE 5) and then I
changed to XFCE 4.X. I was annoyed.
If I can't have a user-friendly and (for me)
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--- Comment #490 from Dick Tracey ---
> More "me too!" style comments aren't going to make it happen any faster, I'm
> afraid.
Indeed, given that hundreds of posts over ~15 years (some are now
systematically marked as "spam" recently) hasn't had any
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--- Comment #489 from Nate Graham ---
Clearly Activities are not a real replacement for Virtual Desktops and it's not
reasonable to ask users to try to bodge their setups into trying. The use cases
are different.
This bug report is still open because
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--- Comment #488 from John ---
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> ...and I never saw anyone using Activities)...
Just to provide some "Spam" feedback: i do use Activities and i hope they won't
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Correction to my previous message, here is the correct link
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343246#c1
The first reply here is similar as well
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Different
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--- Comment #486 from Dick Tracey ---
> I don't understand where this notion has come from - no KDE developer has
> ever said "activities is the replacement for per-virtual-desktop-wallpaper".
The notion comes from the fact that for over a decade,
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--- Comment #485 from Oded Arbel ---
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> I really don't get this "activities vs virtual desktops" debate. I don't see
> why virtual desktops (meaning different desktops with different widgets and
> wallpapers)
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--- Comment #484 from Cedric ---
I really don't get this "activities vs virtual desktops" debate. I don't see
why virtual desktops (meaning different desktops with different widgets and
wallpapers) couldn't exist within activities. To me it's a lazy
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--- Comment #483 from Olivier BELLEUX ---
Dear Nate Graham
You've downgraded this bug from "Severity|normal" to "wishlist", but that
doesn't calm the malcontents.
Since you are currently a member of the Kde Board, you are in a good position
to put
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Dear Nate Graham
You've downgraded this bug from "Severity|normal" to "wishlist", but that
doesn't calm the malcontents.
Since you are currently a member of the Kde Board, you are in a good position
to put
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There was a glimmer of hope in this proposal to remove the Activities starting
KDE 6 (which I hate, and I never saw anyone using Activities)
https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-workspace/-/issues/35 but
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--- Comment #480 from Lehmeier ---
All this was already possible in KDE 4.14 and it got better and better until
the end.
Unfortunately, everything was cancelled because KDE has to reinvent the wheel
every time and they thought KDE 5 (Plasma) would be
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This is definitely the main reason why I don't use multiple workspaces as
usability definitely sucks without having a quick way to identify which
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--- Comment #477 from Dominik Kummer ---
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> As far as I am concerned, there is way too much unproductive off-topic talk
> in this thread. Can you please carry that out elsewhere in some chat room?
> This is a
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--- Comment #475 from Dominik Kummer ---
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> A. nice! Looks like a feature that people would like.
> B. It isn't merged or even accepted yet, so lets wait until then at least.
> C. This work doesn't relate at
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--- Comment #474 from Oded Arbel ---
(In reply to Dominik Kummer from comment #473)
> Someone is already working on a solution which I actually prefer. I would
> give him the bounty.
>
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--- Comment #473 from Dominik Kummer ---
(In reply to Oded Arbel from comment #472)
> (In reply to Oded Arbel from comment #382)
> > ... add to
> > the bounty here:
> > https://www.bountysource.com/issues/92875316-bring-back-per-virtual-desktop-
> >
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--- Comment #472 from Oded Arbel ---
(In reply to Oded Arbel from comment #382)
> ... add to
> the bounty here:
> https://www.bountysource.com/issues/92875316-bring-back-per-virtual-desktop-
> wallpapers - it is to to $185 now, and when it's $1000 in
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--- Comment #471 from Dominik Kummer ---
@Lehmeier @Juanma
I know exactly what you mean, I was pissed as hell as I realized that the
virtual desktops did not work as expected. And to be honest, I regularly drive
nuts with Akonadi. Or why Calligra, and
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Entirely agree with Lehmeier.
Plus 'Activities' suck.
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--- Comment #469 from Lehmeier ---
I read your comment and I have to say that you don't know why we want the old
way of working back. And yes, I have struggled with this for a few months and
found the activities unacceptable in their current form.
But
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> PS: to the conservative user base: did you ever try Activities? Or are you
> waiting until M$ and @ppl are copying the feature again?
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--- Comment #465 from michel ---
@Lehmeier:
Thanks for your tip about XFCE. I installed and tested it today on a slightly
older PC. It looks very good, much better than LXDE and looks like a good
replacement for "Plasma light" and so on... - and, what
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--- Comment #464 from Lehmeier ---
I can understand you well. KDE 4 was just great and was replaced by a
half-baked Plasma, but it was only last year that I finally moved to
Linux last year - but I switched from Plasma to XFCE. It's not as good as
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--- Comment #463 from michel ---
@satyam:
You don't know much about me, but you allow yourself to judge...
That does not speak for you.
I started using Linux sometime in 1998 with Slackware. Since that was a very
unsatisfying affair, I switched to
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--- Comment #462 from Satyam ---
(In reply to michel from comment #461)
> Well, the calculation of the ignorant KDE developers seems to work well: The
> thread is running itself to death. They sit back in their armchairs and are
> not interested in the
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--- Comment #461 from michel ---
Well, the calculation of the ignorant KDE developers seems to work well: The
thread is running itself to death. They sit back in their armchairs and are not
interested in the KDE-users or their concerns. Some heroes are
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--- Comment #459 from Olivier BELLEUX ---
I never understood what the activities were for or how they differed from a
virtual desktop. The concept is wrong from the start.
If you look at a dictionary for "activité": (Yes, I'm French...)
-
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--- Comment #457 from Lehmeier ---
That's how it is!
KDE is years behind its possibilities because the developers keep reinventing
the wheel and forget what the users really want - a desktop that just works and
doesn't have to be completely
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--- Comment #456 from Yannick ---
Now, even Microsoft with Windows 11 is capable of having a different wallpaper
per virtual desktop.
Plasma will soon be the only desktop environment for which it is impossible to
have such a feature though it used to
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--- Comment #455 from Lehmeier ---
I can understand that, KDE 5 is also unusable for my taste, which is why I
switched to XFCE. It can't do everything, but it is constantly being developed
and doesn't make such big leaps as KDE.
KDE is probably losing
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--- Comment #454 from michel ---
Hello,
thank you for the XFCE recommendation.
I switched to Windows with the three computers because it is imperative that
they work in a contemporary manner. It already worked flawlessly with KDE4 and
it was a
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--- Comment #453 from Lehmeier ---
(In reply to michel from comment #449)
> The aforementioned Nate Graham recently reported on pointieststick.com/ with
> a silly grin that in Plasma 5.23 you can now also change the colors in menus
> independently of
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--- Comment #452 from michel ---
@Manuel Geißer:
I may have expressed myself imprecisely: Of course LXDE runs very performant,
what I meant were simply several features that are not present in contrast to
KDE5. That this is to the advantage of low
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--- Comment #451 from Manuel Geißer ---
> LXDE works well, the communication with the developers is excellent, but the
> performance is not optimal
Probably off-topic, anyway: The performance of LXDE is brilliant, it's the
desktop environment that even
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--- Comment #450 from michel ---
Another small addendum:
It is important to counterbalance the market-dominating global players by
clearly showing them that they cannot deal with their "dependents" as they
please; not all PC users belong to the
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--- Comment #449 from michel ---
The aforementioned Nate Graham recently reported on pointieststick.com/ with a
silly grin that in Plasma 5.23 you can now also change the colors in menus
independently of the selected color scheme. He probably
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--- Comment #448 from aschn...@gmx.net ---
A bit of polemics, since no one here is reacting anyway:
Can't you just take your "Activities" and shove them up your a?
Nobody wants them.
Nobody needs them.
Everybody hates them.
Even after more than
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--- Comment #446 from Lehmeier ---
No we don't.
We can change, I have too - unfortunately (XfCE).
But if you don't value your users, then you shouldn't be surprised that they
leave.
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--- Comment #445 from michel ---
Well, as one can see, the calculation of the KDE responsible persons works out.
They sit out the problem, simply do nothing, the stupid users will eventually
keep their mouths shut.
The once existing transparency,
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--- Comment #443 from Juanma ---
On June 10, 2021 17:42:30 Lehmeier wrote:
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> (In reply to michel from comment #440)
>
> ...
>
> It was also written Who is
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--- Comment #442 from pier andre ---
(In reply to Daniel Morris from comment #428)
> You may, at this time, in your jurisdiction, have the freedom to 'speak your
> mind', just as those you want to develop a feature to your want (not "need")
> have the
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--- Comment #441 from Lehmeier ---
(In reply to michel from comment #440)
...
It was also written Who is responsible for what, when and how is discussed.
Then one could initiate such a discussion.
It is strange, however, that this should only happen
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--- Comment #440 from michel ---
Hello,
i sent an email to the KDE/Plasma board these days, briefly outlined the
situation and otherwise referred to this thread. Finally, I asked for a
statement so that we users know where we stand.
The answer came
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--- Comment #439 from Lehmeier ---
(In reply to Holger from comment #438)
...
It is good that you can cope with it and are happy to retrain yourself each
time because the developers want it that way, because of course you can work
with it - but not
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--- Comment #438 from Holger ---
Despite some snide remarks, I have no plan or intention, to leave KDE/Plasma -
to the contrary, I'm passionate about some "minor" annoyances that in my view
fall short of real greatness. Still, being forced to cope with
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--- Comment #437 from michel ---
Lehmeyer speaks from my soul. He seems to have experience and knows exactly
what has disappeared, as do many of us here. In addition, many of KDE/Plasma's
setting options have silently disappeared. KDE/Plasma has long
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--- Comment #436 from Lehmeier ---
(In reply to Adam Nicol from comment #433)
...
> ... What are we even talking about here?
We are talking about restoring features that already existed in the old KDE 4.
They were easy to use and it resulted in a
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--- Comment #435 from Lehmeier ---
(In reply to gmfitton from comment #434)
> I changed to Trinty DE, enhanced fork of the original KDE 3 & the devs
> actually listen!
I have heard that there is a fork of KDE 3 but I haven't found it in the
Manjaro
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--- Comment #434 from gmfit...@gmx.com ---
This has been going on for about seven years now, & nothing done. As far as I'm
concerned, I stopped using Plasma 5 because of the devs attitude. I changed to
Trinty DE, enhanced fork of the original KDE 3 &
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--- Comment #433 from Adam Nicol ---
I'm not a dev, I'm just a regular guy that uses KDE Plasma. I don't understand
or care to understand what the technical implications are of this, I just want
to be able to set the wallpaper differently between my
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--- Comment #432 from Lehmeier ---
(In reply to bkorb from comment #431)
...
> Meanwhile, how do I get off of the monitor-this-bug list?
--- Comment #431 from bk...@gnu.org ---
1. disabling per desktop wallpaper was an ill-advised choice
2. making
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--- Comment #431 from bk...@gnu.org ---
1. disabling per desktop wallpaper was an ill-advised choice
2. making the change irreversible was worse.
3. I don't need vitriolic comments, either
Consequently, I'd favor closing comments. There will be no
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--- Comment #430 from Lehmeier ---
People - slow down.
It is true that in recent years KDE is no longer as handy and efficient as it
once was with the last KDE 4. But that is no reason to become so personal,
belittling and insulting.
When, after many
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--- Comment #429 from michel ---
Once upon a time, the KDE developers were highly respected fellow human beings.
That was at a time when they still communicated constructively and meaningfully
with users and referred to their suggestions objectively.
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--- Comment #428 from Daniel Morris ---
(In reply to Claverhouse from comment #427)
> all I need, and the moronic decision to remove this simple ability has been
> confounded by the crude inability to restore this function for many years by
> the
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--- Comment #426 from Bernd Paysan ---
KDE4 allowed to have one activity per virtual desktop. That was how KDE4
brought back the different wallpapers.
The difference between activity switcher and virtual desktop switcher is just
that you can switch
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--- Comment #425 from Lehmeier ---
(In reply to Yannick from comment #424)
...
Whatever the reason, they should ensure that we can work as effectively and
smoothly as we did last time with KDE 4. If the activities did what we expect,
I wouldn't care
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--- Comment #424 from Yannick ---
I feel like what the DEVs are hardly trying to tell us is that we shall focus
on the Activities features instead of VDs, because each activity has its own
wallpaper, own widgets, etc.
Why not...
BUT
- why didn't they
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--- Comment #422 from michel ---
Hello,
I raised the issue in a once important German Linux forum
(https://www.linuxforen.de/forums/showthread.php?282581-Eigenes-Hintergrundbild-f%FCr-jeden-Bildschirm-in-KDE-Plasma=1859280#post1859280)
and
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--- Comment #421 from Manuel Geißer ---
> Those who want this do know why they want it. Telling them that they do not
> know what they want and that you know better what they want is .
> I'm afraid we're stuck with this. It's like the
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--- Comment #420 from Lehmeier ---
(In reply to leftcrane from comment #413)
> > Don't tell users how to work ! ... (etc.)
>
> https://xkcd.com/1172/
>
> What kind of "work"? The only type of work that is facilitated by this
> gimmick is the work of
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--- Comment #419 from hcvv ---
@leftcrane
"Then hire a developer who will do whatever you without any questions. There
are no hired hands here."
I have no idea what your function is here, but when you are the deciding
person, then please simply say:
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--- Comment #418 from Dngrsone ---
THe desktop wallpaper /might/ be hidden. But for me it is usually not. I
have four Virtual desktops, each with its own set of shortcuts and
widgets. Unfortunately, FIrefox, for some reason will always show the same
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--- Comment #417 from leftcrane ---
Windows is better, objectively, because it has a fully featured virtual desktop
switcher. Now that WOULD be useful to have on KDE, as opposed to wasting
resources on confusing gimmicks like per-desktop wallpapers.
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