Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 4:37:33 PM CET Alexander Dymo wrote: > > So a vision which would ensure that also future technologies could be > > served, would not harm that? Let's just not close doors. > > Sure. But let's also not spread thin. Do you think it makes sense to > find a middle

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

On Tuesday, February 16, 2016 08:01:01 Martin Graesslin wrote: > On Monday, February 15, 2016 10:22:20 PM CET Alexander Neundorf wrote: > > On Monday, February 15, 2016 15:11:47 Martin Graesslin wrote: > > ... > > > > > Maybe you could start thinking about that. What does it mean if THE GUI > > >

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

On Tuesday, February 16, 2016 10:12:06 Mario Fux wrote: > On Montag, 15. Februar 2016 21:25:52 CET Alexander Neundorf wrote: > > Hallo Ingo, > > Morning Alex and Co > > > On Monday, February 15, 2016 14:31:09 Alexander Neundorf wrote: > > > Hi Ingo, > > > > > On Saturday, February 13, 2016

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

On Tuesday, February 16, 2016 10:12:06 AM Mario Fux wrote: > As I see it the "graphical user interfaces and applications" (which is an > enumeration of different paradigms/things anyway could/should be > substituted with "software" and there would be an agreement more or less > between the two

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

On Montag, 15. Februar 2016 21:25:52 CET Alexander Neundorf wrote: > Hallo Ingo, Morning Alex and Co > On Monday, February 15, 2016 14:31:09 Alexander Neundorf wrote: > > Hi Ingo, > > > On Saturday, February 13, 2016 21:35:22 Ingo Klöcker wrote: > ... > > > > I think your concern is that the

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

On Monday, February 15, 2016 10:22:20 PM CET Alexander Neundorf wrote: > On Monday, February 15, 2016 15:11:47 Martin Graesslin wrote: > ... > > > Maybe you could start thinking about that. What does it mean if THE GUI > > maintainer doesn't want that? Maybe he has a better look on it with THE >

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

On Monday, February 15, 2016 15:11:47 Martin Graesslin wrote: ... > Maybe you could start thinking about that. What does it mean if THE GUI > maintainer doesn't want that? Maybe he has a better look on it with THE GUI > knowledge? > > Please don't completely dismiss my feedback. Think about it.

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

On 15 February 2016 at 20:40, Alexander Dymo wrote: > On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 7:51 AM, A. Spehr wrote: > > "World domination through free software." > > > > Maybe that's too flippant, or more the vision of Linux and not KDE, but > that > > was my first thought

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 7:51 AM, A. Spehr wrote: > "World domination through free software." > > Maybe that's too flippant, or more the vision of Linux and not KDE, but that > was my first thought as I glanced at this in the middle of the night, while > half asleep. Who doesn't

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

On Monday, February 15, 2016 2:31:09 PM CET Alexander Neundorf wrote: > Ok. > I doubt anybody wants to fight about the definition, whether its the vision, > or the mission, or the product vision, or vision+mission combined. > > What our group wants to have, is getting some more attention back to

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

On Feb 15, 2016 5:30 AM, "Alexander Neundorf" wrote: > On Saturday, February 13, 2016 21:35:22 Ingo Klöcker wrote: > > On Monday 08 February 2016 17:07:26 Alexander Dymo wrote: > ... > > > Defining it in writing as the goal of KDE adds neither value nor > > > attractiveness to

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

On Monday 08 February 2016 17:07:26 Alexander Dymo wrote: > > We define the goal for KDE not in technical terms, but in terms of > > Freedom, user control and privacy. > > I understand this part clearly. I just say that this goal is too > broadly defined, and, therefore hardly reachable by a

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

> So a vision which would ensure that also future technologies could be served, > would not harm that? Let's just not close doors. Sure. But let's also not spread thin. Do you think it makes sense to find a middle ground between two proposals? ___

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

On Tuesday, February 09, 2016 07:55:08 Martin Graesslin wrote: ... > This was more a rhetorical question. Apparently it didn't make it through. > I'm worried about your vision closing a path for the future. Your vision > setting a focus on past technologies, which will result in stagnation, >

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

Sorry, I think we simply cannot understand one another. We repeatedly expressed the same idea several times. We keep coming up with different words? That's natural. We're at the "draft" stage, right? On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Martin Graesslin wrote: > On Monday,

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

On Tuesday, February 9, 2016 11:00:52 PM CET Alexander Neundorf wrote: > On Tuesday, February 09, 2016 07:55:08 Martin Graesslin wrote: > ... > > > This was more a rhetorical question. Apparently it didn't make it through. > > I'm worried about your vision closing a path for the future. Your

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

Hi, thank you for your replies. Unfortunately I don't find these satisfying answers. I asked for explanations why not. This is completely missing. A we should do GUI is no explanation on why we should not be a leader in the next big thing. So please explain in more detail, why you think KDE

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

On Sunday, February 7, 2016 2:00:43 PM CET Alexander Neundorf wrote: > On Saturday, February 06, 2016 19:39:35 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > > On Samstag, 6. Februar 2016 16:47:31 CET Ingo Klöcker wrote: > > > Yes. I think the vision statement needs to be complemented by a mission > > > statement. But

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

On Monday, February 8, 2016 5:09:35 PM CET Alexander Dymo wrote: > In that mail I omitted the "GUI" somewhere near the "free software". > We do agree with Alex N about that. Just follow the last three replies to that thread and try to understand why I think your answers are contradicting and

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

On Monday, February 8, 2016 1:02:47 PM CET Alexander Dymo wrote: > On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:15 AM, Martin Graesslin wrote: > > why you think KDE should not be a leader in future technologies. > > What are these future technologies? > I think you're just not convinced this is

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 2:15 AM, Martin Graesslin wrote: > why you think KDE should not be a leader in future technologies. What are these future technologies? Our group thinks that personal computing devices are a big thing. Apps working on these devices are going to be even

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

On Monday, February 08, 2016 13:02:47 Alexander Dymo wrote: > More devices will arrive, each requiring a shell/launcher and the > apps. I think devices without a graphical user interface, driven by speech or sensors will be more and more common. The point really is, are we sure that important

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

On Monday, February 08, 2016 13:12:51 Alexander Dymo wrote: > The "inclusive" vision naturally doesn't have this problem because its > attitude is: "let's have everybody on board". You're misunderstanding this draft then, let me clarify: We define the goal for KDE not in technical terms, but in

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

In that mail I omitted the "GUI" somewhere near the "free software". We do agree with Alex N about that. On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:05 PM, Riccardo Iaconelli wrote: > On Monday, February 08, 2016 01:12:51 PM Alexander Dymo wrote: >> We pointed many times that the focus is on free

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

> We define the goal for KDE not in technical terms, but in terms of Freedom, > user control and privacy. I understand this part clearly. I just say that this goal is too broadly defined, and, therefore hardly reachable by a single organization like KDE. Most free software communities, including

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

On Saturday, February 06, 2016 19:39:35 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > On Samstag, 6. Februar 2016 16:47:31 CET Ingo Klöcker wrote: > > Yes. I think the vision statement needs to be complemented by a mission > > statement. But I think, before we tackle the mission statement, we should > > nail down the

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

On Samstag, 6. Februar 2016 16:47:31 CET Ingo Klöcker wrote: > Yes. I think the vision statement needs to be complemented by a mission > statement. But I think, before we tackle the mission statement, we should > nail down the vision. That exactly was our (the "inclusive vision group") plan. And

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

Hi Ingo, On Friday, February 05, 2016 16:43:06 Ingo Klöcker wrote: > On Wednesday 03 February 2016 22:05:20 Alexander Neundorf wrote: > > KDE is an end-user focused, openly governed community of free software > > enthusiasts > > This is a description of what you (and me) think KDE is (or should

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

On Wednesday 03 February 2016 22:05:20 Alexander Neundorf wrote: > KDE is an end-user focused, openly governed community of free software > enthusiasts This is a description of what you (and me) think KDE is (or should be), but not what its goal (vision) is, unless you think that our goal should

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

On donderdag 4 februari 2016 07:45:54 CET Martin Graesslin wrote: > On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 10:05:20 PM CET Alexander Neundorf wrote: > > We are happy to get comments or any other feedback on this draft, and we > > are looking forward to a lively and constructive discussion about the > >

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

Hi Adriaan, On Wednesday, February 03, 2016 23:18:26 Adriaan de Groot wrote: > On Wednesday 03 February 2016 22:05:20 Alexander Neundorf wrote: > > Let's make KDE rule the world of free GUI software ! > > I'll be a little flippant and say that this is a second vision, different > from the first

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 10:05:20 PM CET Alexander Neundorf wrote: > We are happy to get comments or any other feedback on this draft, and we are > looking forward to a lively and constructive discussion about the future of > KDE. I'm sorry to say, but I don't see any vision in your