Re: FSF leadership

[Paul Adams]

On Thu, 19 Sep 2019, 08:17 Agustín Benito,  wrote:

> we should support them, not tell them what to do.
>

One of RMSs best-known transgressions took place on _our_ stage at Gran
Canaria. We did not exactly take much action at the time.

If this community really cares about Free Software and building an
inclusive community we absolutely _must_ speak up in public.

Augustin is right though. That message must be one of support for the FSF
and helping them build a better future for FS, not pressurising them over
things in the past.

>

Re: FSF leadership

[Agustín Benito]

Hello,

I am against this. I find disrespectful to tell a fellow organization what
they should do. I would feel the same way if anybody does it to us.

There are things that should be dealt in private. This is one of them.

The most important thing is that they make the right choice, not the most
popular choice. Nobody like their Membership to know what is the right
choice.

We should support them, not tell them what to do.

Sent from mobile

On Thu, 19 Sep 2019, 04:59 Valorie Zimmerman, 
wrote:

> As many of you know, Richard Stallman has stepped down from the FSF.
> However, his supporters on the FSF Board remain. The FSF is on our Advisory
> Board, according to https://ev.kde.org/advisoryboard.php
>
> Accordingly, I would like us (the KDE Community) to advise them to
> diversify their Board, as RedHat has done here:
> https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/open-letter-free-software-foundation-board-directors.
> If we cannot do this as a community, I would like to ask the Board to do
> this on our behalf.
>
> All the best,
>
> Valorie
>
> --
> http://about.me/valoriez - pronouns: she/her
>
>
>

FSF leadership

[Valorie Zimmerman]

As many of you know, Richard Stallman has stepped down from the FSF.
However, his supporters on the FSF Board remain. The FSF is on our Advisory
Board, according to https://ev.kde.org/advisoryboard.php

Accordingly, I would like us (the KDE Community) to advise them to
diversify their Board, as RedHat has done here:
https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/open-letter-free-software-foundation-board-directors.
If we cannot do this as a community, I would like to ask the Board to do
this on our behalf.

All the best,

Valorie

-- 
http://about.me/valoriez - pronouns: she/her

Re: Retirement of notes.kde.org

[Ben Cooksley]

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 2:50 AM Aleix Pol  wrote:
>
> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 8:58 PM Ben Cooksley  wrote:
> >
> > Good evening all,
> >
> > Currently we're in the situation where the software we use to run
> > notes.kde.org is both difficult to maintain, as well as support (for
> > things like document confidentiality for various groups within KDE).
> >
> > We'd therefore like to retire the service, replacing it with the
> > Realtime Text Editor within Nextcloud (share.kde.org). Internally this
> > editor uses Markdown.
> >
> > You can find a demo of this at https://share.kde.org/s/gtFcRmwetRKqTZJ
> > (no login required)
> >
> > It would be appreciated if everyone could please test the realtime
> > text editor and let us know if they encounter any issues.
> >
> > In terms of feature differences, we are aware that
> > highlighting/authorship information won't be retained by the new
> > editor, and there can occasionally be problems when editing the same
> > line with someone else simultaneously.
> >
> > If everyone is okay with this we'd like to go ahead with shutting down
> > notes.kde.org as soon as possible.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ben Cooksley
> > KDE Sysadmin
>
> Hi,
> Is the new editor already usable on share.kde.org? If I create a text
> file I get a different thing than your demo.

It should be yes. Did you create a new document or a new text document?

This new editor only works with text documents (slightly confusingly)
as the document editor is a version of LibreOffice Online (for more
fully featured documents)

>
> Aleix

Cheers,
Ben

Re: Retirement of notes.kde.org

[Aleix Pol]

On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 8:58 PM Ben Cooksley  wrote:
>
> Good evening all,
>
> Currently we're in the situation where the software we use to run
> notes.kde.org is both difficult to maintain, as well as support (for
> things like document confidentiality for various groups within KDE).
>
> We'd therefore like to retire the service, replacing it with the
> Realtime Text Editor within Nextcloud (share.kde.org). Internally this
> editor uses Markdown.
>
> You can find a demo of this at https://share.kde.org/s/gtFcRmwetRKqTZJ
> (no login required)
>
> It would be appreciated if everyone could please test the realtime
> text editor and let us know if they encounter any issues.
>
> In terms of feature differences, we are aware that
> highlighting/authorship information won't be retained by the new
> editor, and there can occasionally be problems when editing the same
> line with someone else simultaneously.
>
> If everyone is okay with this we'd like to go ahead with shutting down
> notes.kde.org as soon as possible.
>
> Thanks,
> Ben Cooksley
> KDE Sysadmin

Hi,
Is the new editor already usable on share.kde.org? If I create a text
file I get a different thing than your demo.

Aleix

Re: Retirement of notes.kde.org

[Ben Cooksley]

Hi all,

Just bringing this thread to a bit of a conclusion, are we all happy
for the replacement of notes.kde.org to go ahead?

>From my reading through of this thread, i've seen people raise
concerns about the following:
- Author colours (which weren't 100% reliable on notes.kde.org in any
case as they sometimes disappeared)
- History information
- Occasional issues with typing on the same line
- More complex process to start a new pad or be linked to an existing one

>From my understanding, the developers of the plugin we're using (which
is under active development) have plans to bring author tracking /
colouring in a later release, and chances are there will be further
improvements to syncing in later releases as well.

Thanks,
Ben

Re: Retirement of notes.kde.org

[Albert Vaca Cintora]

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 8:55 PM Kai Uwe Broulik  wrote:
>
> > The fact that URLs were random, kind of gave me
> > the feeling that they were only to be viewed by people with the link.
>
> You're aware that there's an overview by letter on notes.kde.org? :)
>

D'oh! Never mind then.

Re: Retirement of notes.kde.org

[Kai Uwe Broulik]

The fact that URLs were random, kind of gave me
the feeling that they were only to be viewed by people with the link.


You're aware that there's an overview by letter on notes.kde.org? :)

Cheers
Kai Uwe

Re: Retirement of notes.kde.org

[Albert Vaca Cintora]

On lunedì 16 settembre 2019 08:03:31 CEST Ben Cooksley wrote:
> The content of notes.kde.org will be exported - likely in ODT format -
> prior to us shutting it down.
> The resulting files will be made available on share.kde.org.

I'm sure I've written things in notes that I don't want to go public
(email drafts, etc) :/ The fact that URLs were random, kind of gave me
the feeling that they were only to be viewed by people with the link.

Can it be made so those files on share.kde.org are only visible to the
people who created them on notes.kde.org? This way, it will be the
user's choice to make them public or not.

Should KDE join the (Digital) Global Climate Strike this friday?

[cahfofpai]

Hello to all members of the KDE community,

this friday (september the 20th) will be a big day in climate protests and 
hopefully also in human history: People in more than 3500 places worldwide are 
joining the Global Climate Strike to draw attention to the rising climate 
crisis.

The question I want to ask you is: Should KDE join this protests and show 
solidarity with the people engaging for this very important topic?

I created a phabricator task (https://phabricator.kde.org/T11717 
) and will be happy about everyone 
discussing this very important topic.


I figured out two ways for us as a community to participate:

1. create and publish a social media post showing KDE's support for the movement

2. join the website strike (https://digital.globalclimatestrike.net/ 
 
https://github.com/fightforthefuture/digital-climate-strike 
) by showing a 
full-screen banner on KDE's websites to illustrate KDE's participation, raise 
awareness for this very important topic and mobilise people to join the protests


In my opinion, KDE should not only engage in its "main business" (amazing) free 
software and all its associated topics, but also topics concerning the wider 
environment KDE's software runs in.

One first step would be joining the Global Climate Strike to ensure future 
generations can enjoy KDE's software as we did, and ensure KDE still exists in 
100s and 1.000s of years.

The most important part in KDE's community are its members, but which people 
should be part of KDE when humanity disposes itself due to the extreme climate 
crisis?

Your's sincerely
cahfofpai
=

Ways you could participate in the Global Climate Strike on a personal basis:
- join a local strike (find one at 
https://fridaysforfuture.org/events/map?c=+All+countries&d=2019-09-20&o=all 
 
or at https://globalclimatestrike.net/#map 
)
- take part in the website strike with your personal websites 
(https://digital.globalclimatestrike.net/#website-assets 
)
- spread the word on the internet, for example on social media
- organise a climate strike in your hometown 
(https://globalclimatestrike.net/organise/ 
), if there's not already one