Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

Hi Neofytos! On Dienstag, 2. Februar 2016 23:40:44 CET tetr...@openmailbox.org wrote: > I would like to propose a middle ground solution hoping it will > contribute to the discussion. It will imho serve everyone's interests; > KDE, distributions and users. > > The way I see it, the issue breaks

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

Hi, On Wednesday 03 February 2016 14:57:02 Martin Graesslin wrote: > On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 1:46:16 PM CET Luca Beltrame wrote: > > Il Wed, 03 Feb 2016 11:40:58 +0100, Martin Graesslin ha scritto: > > > to use a specific technology. It's totally fine if we go ahead and say > > > our

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

Thomas, Thanks for starting this thread. I'd like to remind you (all, not Thomas particularly) that there are more "distributions" of KDE software (some including Plasma Desktop, some not) than just Linux-kernel-based- distributions. Perhaps they're out-of-scope (which I could appreciate:

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

Il Wed, 03 Feb 2016 11:40:58 +0100, Martin Graesslin ha scritto: > to use a specific technology. It's totally fine if we go ahead and say > our technology stack includes systemd, networkmanager and apparmor. If > your distro cannot do that it's not providing the best expected > experience. In

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

> On Feb 3, 2016, at 10:16, Martin Graesslin wrote: > > On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 9:44:13 AM CET Nicolás Alvarez wrote: On Feb 1, 2016, at 15:31, Cornelius Schumacher wrote: On Monday 01 February 2016 13:04:37 Sebastian Kügler wrote:

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 1:46:16 PM CET Luca Beltrame wrote: > Il Wed, 03 Feb 2016 11:40:58 +0100, Martin Graesslin ha scritto: > > to use a specific technology. It's totally fine if we go ahead and say > > our technology stack includes systemd, networkmanager and apparmor. If > > your

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 2:05:05 PM CET Lydia Pintscher wrote: > On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 3:01 PM Martin Graesslin wrote: > > No, that's not what I'm saying. First of all we need to realize that we > > have a > > big problem (yay for Thomas), second we need to find a

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

On 3 February 2016 at 15:01, Martin Graesslin wrote: > On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 10:46:26 AM CET Nicolás Alvarez wrote: > > > On Feb 3, 2016, at 10:16, Martin Graesslin wrote: > > > > > > On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 9:44:13 AM CET Nicolás Alvarez

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

On 3 February 2016 at 15:15, Martin Graesslin wrote: > On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 2:05:05 PM CET Lydia Pintscher wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 3:01 PM Martin Graesslin > wrote: > > > No, that's not what I'm saying. First of all we need to realize

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 10:46:26 AM CET Nicolás Alvarez wrote: > > On Feb 3, 2016, at 10:16, Martin Graesslin wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 9:44:13 AM CET Nicolás Alvarez wrote: > On Feb 1, 2016, at 15:31, Cornelius Schumacher

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

Il Wed, 03 Feb 2016 15:18:23 +0100, Jaroslaw Staniek ha scritto: > ​Yep, these feelings float within the KDE fans community. That's why I > sometimes can't stop people from treating initiatives like Neon as "the" > KDE distro ​ And I hope too many people don't get the wrong idea, or yes, we'll

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 2:15:37 PM CET Luca Beltrame wrote: > Il Wed, 03 Feb 2016 14:57:02 +0100, Martin Graesslin ha scritto: > > Yes I know, that's the obvious reply you get from distros. And I call > > BULLSHIT to that. If a distribution ships with a broken bluetooth setup, > > Let me

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

Il Wed, 03 Feb 2016 14:57:02 +0100, Martin Graesslin ha scritto: > Yes I know, that's the obvious reply you get from distros. And I call > BULLSHIT to that. If a distribution ships with a broken bluetooth setup, Let me get the reverse in: we had to jump through several hoops at openSUSE because

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 3:01 PM Martin Graesslin wrote: > No, that's not what I'm saying. First of all we need to realize that we > have a > big problem (yay for Thomas), second we need to find a solution to the > problem. > Currently we are brainstorming ideas and I think

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

Il Wed, 03 Feb 2016 15:25:36 +0100, Martin Graesslin ha scritto: > migration need to be handled better with more collaboration. E.g. GNOME > notifying distros early about their wish to upgrade, those notifying > other projects about the requirement to upgrade. This happened: the GNOME team @

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

On Friday 29 January 2016 18:09:23 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > Maybe the speed of upgrading as such is not the actual point. What I care > about is the speed with which bugfixes reach end users. If a distribution > decides to backport all bugfixes from a new major release to theirs and does > that

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

On Saturday, January 30, 2016 07:09:16 PM Aleix Pol wrote: > > Personally not, but I'd like other people from distributions to chime in. > > How about coming up with a set of scripts that give score to an > installation? > > This way we can say "OpenSuse scored X points/K stars in our >

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

Hi Thomas, I must say I am sceptical of the idea. Hi everyone, distributions are - and most likely will be for the foreseeable future - be the main channel by which users get our software. Therefore, we're eternally grateful for the job they are doing. However, it happens - too often for my

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 10:47 PM, Luca Beltrame wrote: > Il Sat, 30 Jan 2016 19:09:16 +0100, Aleix Pol ha scritto: > >> How about coming up with a set of scripts that give score to an >> installation? > > That's not a bad idea, what do you suggest one would "test" with such a >

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Luca Beltrame wrote: > Il Sat, 30 Jan 2016 14:39:11 +0100, Thomas Pfeiffer ha scritto: > >> The intention is not to blame any distribution for anything. The goal is >> to give users a way to identify distributions which fulfill the >>

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

Il Sat, 30 Jan 2016 14:39:11 +0100, Thomas Pfeiffer ha scritto: > The intention is not to blame any distribution for anything. The goal is > to give users a way to identify distributions which fulfill the > requirements for our software to run optimally. I understood that, but my fear is that

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

On Freitag, 29. Januar 2016 21:46:25 CET Luca Beltrame wrote: > Il Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:09:23 +0100, Thomas Pfeiffer ha scritto: > > Maybe the speed of upgrading as such is not the actual point. What I > > care about is the speed with which bugfixes reach end users. If a > > The only way a distro

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

On Freitag, 29. Januar 2016 16:44:49 CET Luca Beltrame wrote: > Il Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:06:14 +0100, Thomas Pfeiffer ha scritto: > > I believe that we can improve the situation by intensifying our > > cooperation with distributions even further. On the other hand, however, > > distributions also