Re: Retirement of notes.kde.org
On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 1:11 PM Aleix Pol wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 1:09 PM Ben Cooksley wrote: > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 12:55 PM Aleix Pol wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 4:34 AM Ben Cooksley wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 2:50 AM Aleix Pol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 8:58 PM Ben Cooksley > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Good evening all, > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently we're in the situation where the software we use to run > > > > > > notes.kde.org is both difficult to maintain, as well as support (for > > > > > > things like document confidentiality for various groups within KDE). > > > > > > > > > > > > We'd therefore like to retire the service, replacing it with the > > > > > > Realtime Text Editor within Nextcloud (share.kde.org). Internally > > > > > > this > > > > > > editor uses Markdown. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can find a demo of this at > > > > > > https://share.kde.org/s/gtFcRmwetRKqTZJ > > > > > > (no login required) > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be appreciated if everyone could please test the realtime > > > > > > text editor and let us know if they encounter any issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > In terms of feature differences, we are aware that > > > > > > highlighting/authorship information won't be retained by the new > > > > > > editor, and there can occasionally be problems when editing the same > > > > > > line with someone else simultaneously. > > > > > > > > > > > > If everyone is okay with this we'd like to go ahead with shutting > > > > > > down > > > > > > notes.kde.org as soon as possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Ben Cooksley > > > > > > KDE Sysadmin > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > Is the new editor already usable on share.kde.org? If I create a text > > > > > file I get a different thing than your demo. > > > > > > > > It should be yes. Did you create a new document or a new text document? > > > > > > > > This new editor only works with text documents (slightly confusingly) > > > > as the document editor is a version of LibreOffice Online (for more > > > > fully featured documents) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aleix > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Ben > > > > > > It was a new text document, AFAIR. This is what it looks like: > > > https://i.imgur.com/6RhmNLK.png > > > > Ah, that is the same editor, just in logged in mode. > > > > If you were to create a publicly accessible link, and use that to > > access the document then you'd get a view that looks exactly like the > > one I created. > > In the logged in version you get the ability to see things like prior > > versions (accessible through the sidebar, which you can open by > > clicking the icon in the top right) > > > > If you're missing any controls then you may need to perform a force > > refresh (Ctrl + F5). > > > > > > > > Aleix > > > > Cheers, > > Ben > > Ah, okay, cool, thanks! > > BTW, it will be really handy to be able to have publicly editable > texts, this had been a problem for me in the past (that people needed > to be in identity.kde.org). No worries - glad to hear that the feature will be very useful. The ability to have publicly editable texts is one of several feature improvements we get by switching to this new editor :) > > Aleix Cheers, Ben
Re: Retirement of notes.kde.org
On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 1:09 PM Ben Cooksley wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 12:55 PM Aleix Pol wrote: > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 4:34 AM Ben Cooksley wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 2:50 AM Aleix Pol wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 8:58 PM Ben Cooksley wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Good evening all, > > > > > > > > > > Currently we're in the situation where the software we use to run > > > > > notes.kde.org is both difficult to maintain, as well as support (for > > > > > things like document confidentiality for various groups within KDE). > > > > > > > > > > We'd therefore like to retire the service, replacing it with the > > > > > Realtime Text Editor within Nextcloud (share.kde.org). Internally this > > > > > editor uses Markdown. > > > > > > > > > > You can find a demo of this at https://share.kde.org/s/gtFcRmwetRKqTZJ > > > > > (no login required) > > > > > > > > > > It would be appreciated if everyone could please test the realtime > > > > > text editor and let us know if they encounter any issues. > > > > > > > > > > In terms of feature differences, we are aware that > > > > > highlighting/authorship information won't be retained by the new > > > > > editor, and there can occasionally be problems when editing the same > > > > > line with someone else simultaneously. > > > > > > > > > > If everyone is okay with this we'd like to go ahead with shutting down > > > > > notes.kde.org as soon as possible. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Ben Cooksley > > > > > KDE Sysadmin > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Is the new editor already usable on share.kde.org? If I create a text > > > > file I get a different thing than your demo. > > > > > > It should be yes. Did you create a new document or a new text document? > > > > > > This new editor only works with text documents (slightly confusingly) > > > as the document editor is a version of LibreOffice Online (for more > > > fully featured documents) > > > > > > > > > > > Aleix > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Ben > > > > It was a new text document, AFAIR. This is what it looks like: > > https://i.imgur.com/6RhmNLK.png > > Ah, that is the same editor, just in logged in mode. > > If you were to create a publicly accessible link, and use that to > access the document then you'd get a view that looks exactly like the > one I created. > In the logged in version you get the ability to see things like prior > versions (accessible through the sidebar, which you can open by > clicking the icon in the top right) > > If you're missing any controls then you may need to perform a force > refresh (Ctrl + F5). > > > > > Aleix > > Cheers, > Ben Ah, okay, cool, thanks! BTW, it will be really handy to be able to have publicly editable texts, this had been a problem for me in the past (that people needed to be in identity.kde.org). Aleix
Re: Retirement of notes.kde.org
On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 12:55 PM Aleix Pol wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 4:34 AM Ben Cooksley wrote: > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 2:50 AM Aleix Pol wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 8:58 PM Ben Cooksley wrote: > > > > > > > > Good evening all, > > > > > > > > Currently we're in the situation where the software we use to run > > > > notes.kde.org is both difficult to maintain, as well as support (for > > > > things like document confidentiality for various groups within KDE). > > > > > > > > We'd therefore like to retire the service, replacing it with the > > > > Realtime Text Editor within Nextcloud (share.kde.org). Internally this > > > > editor uses Markdown. > > > > > > > > You can find a demo of this at https://share.kde.org/s/gtFcRmwetRKqTZJ > > > > (no login required) > > > > > > > > It would be appreciated if everyone could please test the realtime > > > > text editor and let us know if they encounter any issues. > > > > > > > > In terms of feature differences, we are aware that > > > > highlighting/authorship information won't be retained by the new > > > > editor, and there can occasionally be problems when editing the same > > > > line with someone else simultaneously. > > > > > > > > If everyone is okay with this we'd like to go ahead with shutting down > > > > notes.kde.org as soon as possible. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ben Cooksley > > > > KDE Sysadmin > > > > > > Hi, > > > Is the new editor already usable on share.kde.org? If I create a text > > > file I get a different thing than your demo. > > > > It should be yes. Did you create a new document or a new text document? > > > > This new editor only works with text documents (slightly confusingly) > > as the document editor is a version of LibreOffice Online (for more > > fully featured documents) > > > > > > > > Aleix > > > > Cheers, > > Ben > > It was a new text document, AFAIR. This is what it looks like: > https://i.imgur.com/6RhmNLK.png Ah, that is the same editor, just in logged in mode. If you were to create a publicly accessible link, and use that to access the document then you'd get a view that looks exactly like the one I created. In the logged in version you get the ability to see things like prior versions (accessible through the sidebar, which you can open by clicking the icon in the top right) If you're missing any controls then you may need to perform a force refresh (Ctrl + F5). > > Aleix Cheers, Ben
Re: Retirement of notes.kde.org
On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 4:34 AM Ben Cooksley wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 2:50 AM Aleix Pol wrote: > > > > On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 8:58 PM Ben Cooksley wrote: > > > > > > Good evening all, > > > > > > Currently we're in the situation where the software we use to run > > > notes.kde.org is both difficult to maintain, as well as support (for > > > things like document confidentiality for various groups within KDE). > > > > > > We'd therefore like to retire the service, replacing it with the > > > Realtime Text Editor within Nextcloud (share.kde.org). Internally this > > > editor uses Markdown. > > > > > > You can find a demo of this at https://share.kde.org/s/gtFcRmwetRKqTZJ > > > (no login required) > > > > > > It would be appreciated if everyone could please test the realtime > > > text editor and let us know if they encounter any issues. > > > > > > In terms of feature differences, we are aware that > > > highlighting/authorship information won't be retained by the new > > > editor, and there can occasionally be problems when editing the same > > > line with someone else simultaneously. > > > > > > If everyone is okay with this we'd like to go ahead with shutting down > > > notes.kde.org as soon as possible. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Ben Cooksley > > > KDE Sysadmin > > > > Hi, > > Is the new editor already usable on share.kde.org? If I create a text > > file I get a different thing than your demo. > > It should be yes. Did you create a new document or a new text document? > > This new editor only works with text documents (slightly confusingly) > as the document editor is a version of LibreOffice Online (for more > fully featured documents) > > > > > Aleix > > Cheers, > Ben It was a new text document, AFAIR. This is what it looks like: https://i.imgur.com/6RhmNLK.png Aleix
Re: Retirement of notes.kde.org
On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 2:50 AM Aleix Pol wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 8:58 PM Ben Cooksley wrote: > > > > Good evening all, > > > > Currently we're in the situation where the software we use to run > > notes.kde.org is both difficult to maintain, as well as support (for > > things like document confidentiality for various groups within KDE). > > > > We'd therefore like to retire the service, replacing it with the > > Realtime Text Editor within Nextcloud (share.kde.org). Internally this > > editor uses Markdown. > > > > You can find a demo of this at https://share.kde.org/s/gtFcRmwetRKqTZJ > > (no login required) > > > > It would be appreciated if everyone could please test the realtime > > text editor and let us know if they encounter any issues. > > > > In terms of feature differences, we are aware that > > highlighting/authorship information won't be retained by the new > > editor, and there can occasionally be problems when editing the same > > line with someone else simultaneously. > > > > If everyone is okay with this we'd like to go ahead with shutting down > > notes.kde.org as soon as possible. > > > > Thanks, > > Ben Cooksley > > KDE Sysadmin > > Hi, > Is the new editor already usable on share.kde.org? If I create a text > file I get a different thing than your demo. It should be yes. Did you create a new document or a new text document? This new editor only works with text documents (slightly confusingly) as the document editor is a version of LibreOffice Online (for more fully featured documents) > > Aleix Cheers, Ben
Re: Retirement of notes.kde.org
On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 8:58 PM Ben Cooksley wrote: > > Good evening all, > > Currently we're in the situation where the software we use to run > notes.kde.org is both difficult to maintain, as well as support (for > things like document confidentiality for various groups within KDE). > > We'd therefore like to retire the service, replacing it with the > Realtime Text Editor within Nextcloud (share.kde.org). Internally this > editor uses Markdown. > > You can find a demo of this at https://share.kde.org/s/gtFcRmwetRKqTZJ > (no login required) > > It would be appreciated if everyone could please test the realtime > text editor and let us know if they encounter any issues. > > In terms of feature differences, we are aware that > highlighting/authorship information won't be retained by the new > editor, and there can occasionally be problems when editing the same > line with someone else simultaneously. > > If everyone is okay with this we'd like to go ahead with shutting down > notes.kde.org as soon as possible. > > Thanks, > Ben Cooksley > KDE Sysadmin Hi, Is the new editor already usable on share.kde.org? If I create a text file I get a different thing than your demo. Aleix
Re: Retirement of notes.kde.org
Hi all, Just bringing this thread to a bit of a conclusion, are we all happy for the replacement of notes.kde.org to go ahead? >From my reading through of this thread, i've seen people raise concerns about the following: - Author colours (which weren't 100% reliable on notes.kde.org in any case as they sometimes disappeared) - History information - Occasional issues with typing on the same line - More complex process to start a new pad or be linked to an existing one >From my understanding, the developers of the plugin we're using (which is under active development) have plans to bring author tracking / colouring in a later release, and chances are there will be further improvements to syncing in later releases as well. Thanks, Ben
Re: Retirement of notes.kde.org
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 8:55 PM Kai Uwe Broulik wrote: > > > The fact that URLs were random, kind of gave me > > the feeling that they were only to be viewed by people with the link. > > You're aware that there's an overview by letter on notes.kde.org? :) > D'oh! Never mind then.
Re: Retirement of notes.kde.org
The fact that URLs were random, kind of gave me the feeling that they were only to be viewed by people with the link. You're aware that there's an overview by letter on notes.kde.org? :) Cheers Kai Uwe
Re: Retirement of notes.kde.org
On lunedì 16 settembre 2019 08:03:31 CEST Ben Cooksley wrote: > The content of notes.kde.org will be exported - likely in ODT format - > prior to us shutting it down. > The resulting files will be made available on share.kde.org. I'm sure I've written things in notes that I don't want to go public (email drafts, etc) :/ The fact that URLs were random, kind of gave me the feeling that they were only to be viewed by people with the link. Can it be made so those files on share.kde.org are only visible to the people who created them on notes.kde.org? This way, it will be the user's choice to make them public or not.
Re: Retirement of notes.kde.org
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 7:49 PM Riccardo Iaconelli wrote: > > Hi Ben, Hi Riccardo, > > On lunedì 16 settembre 2019 08:03:31 CEST Ben Cooksley wrote: > > The content of notes.kde.org will be exported - likely in ODT format - > > prior to us shutting it down. > > The resulting files will be made available on share.kde.org. > > > > If there are things which need to be resolved prior to the shutdown of > > notes.kde.org we can look into those. > > > > While it is unfortunate that the links will be broken, we should be > > able to make them relatively close (ie. send the user to a public view > > of the folder on share.kde.org which contains all of the content > > exported from notes.kde.org) so the user isn't too far from the > > original link. > > will we expose any content to the public indexing? I know of a few documents > which relied on the protection of being unlisted from Google to draft emails > or other group notes which are not entirely for the public to search through. Group notes that were created within a group namespace previously registered with Sysadmin (which will have a corresponding group on Identity) will only be made accessible to that group (via a special folder on share.kde.org) following the export/shutdown of Notes. These pads can be denoted by the -private- in the name of the pad. For all other files, they'll be made publicly accessible to a certain degree, so i'd recommend blanking the content of any notes that shouldn't be made public prior to the shutdown. > > Riccardo > > > Cheers, Ben
Re: Retirement of notes.kde.org
On September 15, 2019 11:03:31 PM PDT, Ben Cooksley wrote: >On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 5:14 AM Valorie Zimmerman > wrote: >> >> Hey Ben, > >Hi Valorie, > >> >> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 11:58 AM Ben Cooksley >wrote: >>> >>> Good evening all, >>> >>> Currently we're in the situation where the software we use to run >>> notes.kde.org is both difficult to maintain, as well as support (for >>> things like document confidentiality for various groups within KDE). >>> >>> We'd therefore like to retire the service, replacing it with the >>> Realtime Text Editor within Nextcloud (share.kde.org). Internally >this >>> editor uses Markdown. >>> >>> You can find a demo of this at >https://share.kde.org/s/gtFcRmwetRKqTZJ >>> (no login required) >>> >>> It would be appreciated if everyone could please test the realtime >>> text editor and let us know if they encounter any issues. >>> >>> In terms of feature differences, we are aware that >>> highlighting/authorship information won't be retained by the new >>> editor, and there can occasionally be problems when editing the same >>> line with someone else simultaneously. >>> >>> If everyone is okay with this we'd like to go ahead with shutting >down >>> notes.kde.org as soon as possible. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Ben Cooksley >>> KDE Sysadmin >> >> >> I noticed that most every BoF at Akademy this year used notes to link >the BoF notes. Will all these notes be just disappeared? If so, that is >really unfortunate. There is a reason many of us continue to use notes. >One can see who typed what, one can see the history of the doc - and >other points mentioned on https://share.kde.org/s/gtFcRmwetRKqTZJ. >> >> ::sigh:: > >The content of notes.kde.org will be exported - likely in ODT format - >prior to us shutting it down. >The resulting files will be made available on share.kde.org. > >If there are things which need to be resolved prior to the shutdown of >notes.kde.org we can look into those. > >While it is unfortunate that the links will be broken, we should be >able to make them relatively close (ie. send the user to a public view >of the folder on share.kde.org which contains all of the content >exported from notes.kde.org) so the user isn't too far from the >original link. > >In terms of feature regressions i'm tracking, I see the following: >- Lack of editor highlighting >- No stored history aside from Nextcloud versioning >- Slightly harder to create new documents > >Any other comments on this which I missed from the document? > >Cheers, >Ben > >> >> Valorie >> -- >> http://about.me/valoriez - pronouns: she/her >> >> I personally don't find the author highlighting very necessary. For one thing, the information of who actually wrote a color often seems to go missing from notes.kde.org anyway. Granted, I have not been around here very long, so maybe I just haven't seen a killer use for it. Does anyone have one come to mind? Again from the point of view of someone who hasn't been around for very long, I made a face when I saw the notes.kde.org landing screen and interface. It gave me the impression that KDE infrastructure was stuck in the past. One big advantage IMO is that the new tool feels much more modern and inviting, which might help retain new contributors. It may sound petty, but I imagine there are some people who would see that and run away. (This is not to knock notes.kde.org. Once I started using it I thought it was nice and useful, but crossing that initial barrier is important) Thanks, Simon
Re: Retirement of notes.kde.org
Hi Ben, On lunedì 16 settembre 2019 08:03:31 CEST Ben Cooksley wrote: > The content of notes.kde.org will be exported - likely in ODT format - > prior to us shutting it down. > The resulting files will be made available on share.kde.org. > > If there are things which need to be resolved prior to the shutdown of > notes.kde.org we can look into those. > > While it is unfortunate that the links will be broken, we should be > able to make them relatively close (ie. send the user to a public view > of the folder on share.kde.org which contains all of the content > exported from notes.kde.org) so the user isn't too far from the > original link. will we expose any content to the public indexing? I know of a few documents which relied on the protection of being unlisted from Google to draft emails or other group notes which are not entirely for the public to search through. Riccardo
Re: Retirement of notes.kde.org
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 5:14 AM Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > > Hey Ben, Hi Valorie, > > On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 11:58 AM Ben Cooksley wrote: >> >> Good evening all, >> >> Currently we're in the situation where the software we use to run >> notes.kde.org is both difficult to maintain, as well as support (for >> things like document confidentiality for various groups within KDE). >> >> We'd therefore like to retire the service, replacing it with the >> Realtime Text Editor within Nextcloud (share.kde.org). Internally this >> editor uses Markdown. >> >> You can find a demo of this at https://share.kde.org/s/gtFcRmwetRKqTZJ >> (no login required) >> >> It would be appreciated if everyone could please test the realtime >> text editor and let us know if they encounter any issues. >> >> In terms of feature differences, we are aware that >> highlighting/authorship information won't be retained by the new >> editor, and there can occasionally be problems when editing the same >> line with someone else simultaneously. >> >> If everyone is okay with this we'd like to go ahead with shutting down >> notes.kde.org as soon as possible. >> >> Thanks, >> Ben Cooksley >> KDE Sysadmin > > > I noticed that most every BoF at Akademy this year used notes to link the BoF > notes. Will all these notes be just disappeared? If so, that is really > unfortunate. There is a reason many of us continue to use notes. One can see > who typed what, one can see the history of the doc - and other points > mentioned on https://share.kde.org/s/gtFcRmwetRKqTZJ. > > ::sigh:: The content of notes.kde.org will be exported - likely in ODT format - prior to us shutting it down. The resulting files will be made available on share.kde.org. If there are things which need to be resolved prior to the shutdown of notes.kde.org we can look into those. While it is unfortunate that the links will be broken, we should be able to make them relatively close (ie. send the user to a public view of the folder on share.kde.org which contains all of the content exported from notes.kde.org) so the user isn't too far from the original link. In terms of feature regressions i'm tracking, I see the following: - Lack of editor highlighting - No stored history aside from Nextcloud versioning - Slightly harder to create new documents Any other comments on this which I missed from the document? Cheers, Ben > > Valorie > -- > http://about.me/valoriez - pronouns: she/her > >
Re: Retirement of notes.kde.org
Hey Ben, On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 11:58 AM Ben Cooksley wrote: > Good evening all, > > Currently we're in the situation where the software we use to run > notes.kde.org is both difficult to maintain, as well as support (for > things like document confidentiality for various groups within KDE). > > We'd therefore like to retire the service, replacing it with the > Realtime Text Editor within Nextcloud (share.kde.org). Internally this > editor uses Markdown. > > You can find a demo of this at https://share.kde.org/s/gtFcRmwetRKqTZJ > (no login required) > > It would be appreciated if everyone could please test the realtime > text editor and let us know if they encounter any issues. > > In terms of feature differences, we are aware that > highlighting/authorship information won't be retained by the new > editor, and there can occasionally be problems when editing the same > line with someone else simultaneously. > > If everyone is okay with this we'd like to go ahead with shutting down > notes.kde.org as soon as possible. > > Thanks, > Ben Cooksley > KDE Sysadmin > I noticed that most every BoF at Akademy this year used notes to link the BoF notes. Will all these notes be just disappeared? If so, that is really unfortunate. There is a reason many of us continue to use notes. One can see who typed what, one can see the history of the doc - and other points mentioned on https://share.kde.org/s/gtFcRmwetRKqTZJ. ::sigh:: Valorie -- http://about.me/valoriez - pronouns: she/her