Re: moving scratch repositories?

2011-02-03 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Thursday 03 February 2011 19:28:44 Marco Martin wrote: Hi all, thi probably isn't going to be a good workflow for the future, but now that kdelibs and base are just being converted i think would be a pretty common problem. basically, what i have is some repositories (one born as git,

Re: Review Request: Workaround for the hang (freeze) when opening VLC's file dialog under KDE...

2011-02-04 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Friday 04 February 2011 17:05:07 Tom Albers wrote: - Original Message - It is when I have to unnecessarily type more than I have to. Seriously this is getting to be annoying and I do not mean you personally. These rigid and brittle coding styles. One project says no braces

Re: Review Request: Add a GUI to configure window's title bar blend colours

2011-04-03 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On March 8, 2011, 2:12 p.m., Hans Meine wrote: kcontrol/colors/colorsettings.ui, line 615 http://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/100821/diff/1/?file=10768#file10768line615 I believe to recall that blend was the term used in the past as well, but given that not all styles actually use

Re: Review Request: Add Rule/Property based composite blocking [kdelibs part]

2011-04-03 Thread Martin Gräßlin
--- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: http://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/100921/#review2349 --- Ship it! Btw a window implementation should be possible,

Re: Re: Qt5 - KDE5?

2011-05-09 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Monday 09 May 2011 12:27:14 Maksim Orlovich wrote: I am probably being a bit selfish here, but I don't see how we can ever build on a toolkit that requires OpenGL ES2.0 level hardware. I think it would make sense to have at least optionally the legacy code (QWidget + X11) without an OpenGL

Re: Qt5 - KDE5?

2011-05-09 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Monday 09 May 2011 18:03:18 Olivier Goffart wrote: Hi, With Qt5 around the corner[1], I think it is time to start thinking about KDE5 Raw summary: - Qt5 is planed to be released in about one year from now if everything goes well. - It should be mostly source compatible with Qt4,

Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Monday 06 June 2011 23:05:52 Ben Cooksley wrote: Hi all, I am requesting that a moratorium on dependency bumps for dependencies which are hard to build be enacted. This would affect system wide components which rely on root access and are heavily integrated into the system. This would

Re: KDM plans and lightDM

2011-06-13 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Monday 13 June 2011 21:10:36 Alex Fiestas wrote: Hi there Today something happened to me again, I turn on my laptop at the begining of a meeting and when I needed it the battery was over because the laptop didn't went to suspension (as I'm used). That makes me wonder what are the

Re: KDM plans and lightDM

2011-06-14 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:29:45 -0400, Shaun Reich predator...@gmail.com wrote: lightDM is also headed by my dear friend Canonical, as is clearly seen. Serious question: does anyone know if it requires Canonical's copyright assignment to contribute to lightDM? If yes we can stop any further

Re: Re: KDM plans and lightDM

2011-06-14 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Tuesday 14 June 2011 10:35:49 Harald Sitter wrote: On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:29:45 -0400, Shaun Reich predator...@gmail.com wrote: lightDM is also headed by my dear friend Canonical, as is clearly seen. Serious

Re: Re: KDM plans and lightDM

2011-06-14 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Tuesday 14 June 2011 20:26:45 Harald Sitter wrote: snip Agreed. Yet despite having complete control we did not manage to come up with a truly good workspace experience that starts at the DM (power management, good looks, I for one have yet to see a sane UI-wise integration of stuff

Re: Re: KDM plans and lightDM

2011-06-15 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Wednesday 15 June 2011 12:22:10 Alex Fiestas wrote: But right now: (Once again this is what I see from outside:) -KDM developers have no plans This seems incorrect, given Shaun's work on Plasma - and after the discussion in this thread this should be known by now. -KDM maintainer has no

Re: Re: KDM plans and lightDM

2011-06-15 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Wednesday 15 June 2011 17:46:08 Alex Fiestas wrote: On Wednesday, June 15, 2011 05:37:14 PM todd rme wrote: There are apparently people willing to implement KDE support in LightDM, so why don't they instead improve KDM? Why should they be putting their effort into an immature project

Re: Fixes in Git (first in stable, then merge to master)

2011-07-20 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Wednesday 20 July 2011 11:52:31 Alex Fiestas wrote: Hi there Last few days I have been patching some pieces of our workspace here and there, the first set of patches I did them directly into master which if I remember correctly was against the policy. So, the second round of fixes I

Re: Re: Fixes in Git (first in stable, then merge to master)

2011-07-23 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Saturday 23 July 2011 01:42:16 David Jarvie wrote: On Saturday 23 July 2011 00:00:16 Nicolas Alvarez wrote: There is no active policy saying you're supposed to merge. Almost everybody in KDE is still doing cherry-picks. KDevelop is the only KDE project I know that consistently uses

Re: Re: Re: Fixes in Git (first in stable, then merge to master)

2011-07-23 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Saturday 23 July 2011 19:28:53 Ben Cooksley wrote: During the stable branch freeze before a minor version release (such as currently before the 4.7 release), it isn't possible to commit bug fixes to stable first and then merge to master. Only master can be committed to, so

Re: X11 expert help needed

2011-07-28 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Monday 18 July 2011 22:43:20 Alexander Neundorf wrote: Hi, I'm currently comparing our FindX11.cmake with the one in current cmake. Our copy is in kdelibs/cmake/modules/, CMake's is in its Module/ directory. There are some things our version checks for, which the one from cmake

Re: Master or 4.7 under VirtualBox/KVM

2011-07-31 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Sunday 31 July 2011 12:58:05 Michael Jansen wrote: Hi @all I am currently trying to setup a compiled from sources master on opensuse in a vm. I first tried kvm and then virtualbox. In both cases i got the same problem. The vms work as expected with the opensuse 11.4 provided kde

Re: Re: kdeinit (was: Summary from Buildsystem BoF at Desktop Summit)

2011-08-20 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Saturday 20 August 2011 12:20:55 Thiago Macieira wrote: That I agree: klauncher is systemd for KDE only, so we should see about getting the same benefits from systemd instead. There are two drawbacks with that, though: 1) systemd will not likely ever run on non-Linux systems, not even

Re: Re: where is the title bar

2011-09-02 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Friday 02 September 2011 19:23:52 Guy Maurel wrote: Hello Martin! First: Thanks! On Friday, September 02, 2011 06:45:58 PM Martin Gräßlin wrote: On Friday 02 September 2011 18:16:05 Guy Maurel wrote: Hello! It might be trivial: I got many kde-xx software from git, compile

Re: mentor needed for start-up optimization Season of KDE student

2011-09-27 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Tuesday 27 September 2011 16:57:20 Lydia Pintscher wrote: Heya folks :) I've got an eager SoK student who needs a mentor for a bit of hand-holding in the coding part of his project. He's already done extensive research but is stuck on the implementation part because his initial mentor

Re: Re: The future of Power Management - together with Activities

2011-10-02 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Sunday 02 October 2011 21:09:00 Andras Mantia wrote: On Sunday, October 02, 2011 14:45:58 Dario Freddi wrote: That was one example. Another example brought up is e.g switching of strigi or nepomuk indexing when switching to a power saving profile. These two are something that usually

Re: kdelibs 4.8? What to do about GENERIC_LIB_VERSION?

2011-10-03 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Sunday 02 October 2011 18:36:14 Allen Winter wrote: Howdy, A lot of CMakeLists.txt use the ${GENERIC_LIB_VERSION} to set the so versioning of their libraries. That variable is hard-coded in kdelibs/cmake/modules/KDE4Defaults.cmake If we rely on kdelibs-4.7 for the KDE SC 4.8 release,

Re: Review Request: W7 Tab thumbnails in dolphin.

2011-10-04 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Oct. 3, 2011, 1:15 p.m., David Faure wrote: Couldn't this be done higher in the stack, e.g. in KTabWidget or in Qt? Kevin Kofler wrote: Indeed, I think there should be some interface for this stuff in kdelibs, so that 1. applications don't have to add such platform-specific code

Security Audit Request for Screenlocker Branch

2011-10-09 Thread Martin Gräßlin
Hi all, as you might know we have been working on moving the screenlocker from KRunner to KWin and passed the control to the compositor (iff compositing is active) to ensure that nothing which should not be shown gets visible. I want to request a security audit for the changes to ensure that

Re: Re: Security Audit Request for Screenlocker Branch

2011-10-11 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Tuesday 11 October 2011 15:33:39 Torgny Nyblom wrote: On Tuesday 11 October 2011 14.55.29 Martin Gräßlin wrote: On Monday 10 October 2011 20:02:07 Parker Coates wrote: On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 14:02, Martin Gräßlin wrote: I want to request a security audit for the changes to ensure

Re: Re: Security Audit Request for Screenlocker Branch

2011-10-11 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Tuesday 11 October 2011 16:06:11 Andras Mantia wrote: From here: If KWin crashes without restarting privacy is leaked but the system is hardly useable due to missing window manager. This situation can savely be ignored as a corner case as KWin normaly restart. This is not true, the

Re: Re: Security Audit Request for Screenlocker Branch

2011-10-11 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Tuesday 11 October 2011 16:33:39 you wrote: Once the screen locker crashes, security must be assumed broken (if only by visual access). Therefore the locker must not crash full ack, we have to be at 0 crashes in KWin (which has to be our goal for Wayland anyway ;-) and if it does,

Re: Re: Security Audit Request for Screenlocker Branch

2011-10-11 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Tuesday 11 October 2011 17:47:13 you wrote: Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:00:46 +0200 schrieb Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org: that is a good suggestion. I will think about how I can add that. Though if someone breaks by crashing kwin he is also able to remove any log. So this could be just

Re: Re: Security Audit Request for Screenlocker Branch

2011-10-11 Thread Martin Gräßlin
the screen locking. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 04:00:17PM +0200, Martin Gräßlin wrote: yes if you have a terminal open and if it is the top most of stacking order it is possible to start another window manager. [in fact ... oh, scratch that, thomas already answered] I think there is hardly

Re: Screensaver to be or not to be (was: Re: Security Audit Request for Screenlocker Branch)

2011-10-11 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Tuesday 11 October 2011 18:02:32 Torgny Nyblom wrote: On Tuesday 11 October 2011 15.55.15 you wrote: Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:33:39 +0200 schrieb Torgny Nyblom nyb...@kde.org: Does this mean that I will be focred to use a screensaver with password unlock? If so why is that not a

Re: Re: Security Audit Request for Screenlocker Branch

2011-10-11 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Tuesday 11 October 2011 21:06:13 Alexander Neundorf wrote: On Tuesday 11 October 2011, Martin Gräßlin wrote: On Tuesday 11 October 2011 16:06:11 Andras Mantia wrote: From here: If KWin crashes without restarting privacy is leaked but the system is hardly useable due to missing

Re: Re: Screensaver to be or not to be (was: Re: Security Audit Request for Screenlocker Branch)

2011-10-12 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Wednesday 12 October 2011 08:26:20 Torgny Nyblom wrote: On Tuesday 11 October 2011 20.54.42 Thomas Lübking wrote: Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:02:32 +0200 schrieb Torgny Nyblom nyb...@kde.org: Screensaver is bling only No, screensaver hacks are bling only, a screensaver is a software

Re: Re: Re: Security Audit Request for Screenlocker Branch

2011-10-12 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Wednesday 12 October 2011 09:10:40 Oswald Buddenhagen wrote: Of course KWin is a more complex application than others, but given what we need in a screen locker the difference becomes marginal IMHO. yes. one should consider decoupling the greeter from the core engine. I myself have

Re: Re: Re: Re: Security Audit Request for Screenlocker Branch

2011-10-13 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Wednesday 12 October 2011 19:38:11 Oswald Buddenhagen wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 04:47:54PM +0200, Dario Freddi wrote: 2011/10/12 Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org: ok I have been thinking about it and have a new proposal: * writing a kded module to only handle the screen locking

Re: Re: Screensaver to be or not to be (was: Re: Security Audit Request for Screenlocker Branch)

2011-10-13 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Thursday 13 October 2011 17:29:16 Martin Koller wrote: On Tuesday, 11. October 2011 21:11:03 Martin Gräßlin wrote: I consider most effects being bling yes, with that said I like it and appreciate it but still most effects add no real productive value. offtopicI have to disagree

Re: Re: Screensaver to be or not to be

2011-10-13 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Thursday 13 October 2011 20:49:29 Matthias Fuchs wrote: I understand and agree to the technical reasons against keeping the current architecture but that does not mean that I agree to all the other arguments. I just want to point out once more that we will not remove anything which is

Re: Review Request: Make the tab group Xproperty accessable via NETWinInfo

2011-11-10 Thread Martin Gräßlin
change and should be fine for 4.7 as well. But I don't know what's the state for additions to kdelibs currently... - Martin Gräßlin On Nov. 9, 2011, 10:15 p.m., Anton Kreuzkamp wrote: --- This is an automatically generated e-mail

Re: Re: [proposal] Move all of the ksecretsservice components into kdeutils/ksecrets

2011-11-12 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Saturday 12 November 2011 08:12:27 Kevin Kofler wrote: We definitely do want your ksecretsservice work ASAP and I don't see why it can't be in kdelibs where it belongs. *sigh* could we please stop adding this whining about the frozen kdelibs in each thread on kde-core-devel. Yes we got that

Re: Re: hard-dep for Qt 4.8

2012-01-12 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Wednesday 11 January 2012 17:38:11 Allen Winter wrote: On Wednesday 11 January 2012 11:47:00 AM Shaun Reich wrote: Prompting motion for making Qt 4.8 a hard dependency for KDE 4.9/master. Currently kde-baseapps/plasma/folderview does not build against 4.7 due to an (albeit minor) api

Re: Re: hard-dep for Qt 4.8

2012-01-18 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Wednesday 18 January 2012 10:26:13 Thomas Zander wrote: On Wednesday 18 January 2012 10.11.58 todd rme wrote: But according to Martin, this isn't just about API changes, it is also about behavior changes. How do you expect people to know if they are relying on a Qt 4.8-specific

Re: Re: hard-dep for Qt 4.8

2012-01-18 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Wednesday 18 January 2012 12:53:25 Dario Freddi wrote: Let's try to move the issue another way round: can we think of a way in which we can safely make master depend on new stuff without the risk of hurting these categories? Yes of course. First of all we have to think whether we introduce

Re: Re: hard-dep for Qt 4.8

2012-01-19 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Thursday 19 January 2012 08:52:48 Thomas Zander wrote: On Thursday 19 January 2012 08.15.39 Martin Gräßlin wrote: As far as I know there are no forward incompatible behavior changes between Qt4.7 and Qt 4.8 I.e. AFAIK programming for 4.8 using 4.7 APIs but 4.8 behavior will give

Re: Review Request: #include fixx11h.h

2012-01-22 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Jan. 22, 2012, 9:06 a.m., Erik Sigra wrote: Ship It! giving yourself a ship it kind of destroys the idea behind review board. From my side there is a clear NO for everything KWin related. So why? Let's consider for example atoms.h. I just used git blame and well the includes were last

Re: bugzilla situation

2012-02-22 Thread Martin Gräßlin
Am 22.02.2012 18:13, schrieb Laszlo Papp: The suggestion remains: to allow everyone to edit and close bugs, as is apparently the case in some other bug trackers. +1. Worked fine on the MeeGo bugzilla for instance, I previously used. Personally I'm not sure whether the MeeGo bugzilla can be

Re: Color Managing KDE

2012-02-22 Thread Martin Gräßlin
Am 22.02.2012 20:01, schrieb Kai-Uwe Behrmann: Am 22.02.12, 09:38 -0800 schrieb Daniel Nicoletti: As Richard said Oyranos is doing all this by it self on the CPU so it would act like a proxy between your application, and the window manager which sounds like killing performance. ( I might have 

Re: Re: bugzilla situation

2012-02-23 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Friday 24 February 2012 02:15:54 Sven Burmeister wrote: Am Mittwoch, 22. Februar 2012, 19:00:26 schrieb Martin Gräßlin: Personally I'm not sure whether the MeeGo bugzilla can be compared to the KDE one (technical oriented vs. user oriented). From my personal experience (KWin bugtracker

Re: Re: Re: bugzilla situation

2012-02-24 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Friday 24 February 2012 21:03:42 Ben Cooksley wrote: On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: On Friday 24 February 2012 02:15:54 Sven Burmeister wrote: Am Mittwoch, 22. Februar 2012, 19:00:26 schrieb Martin Gräßlin: Personally I'm not sure whether

Re: Re: bugzilla situation

2012-02-24 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Friday 24 February 2012 19:32:10 Andras Mantia wrote: On Friday, February 24, 2012 06:10:23 PM Thomas Lübking wrote: Am 24.02.2012, 09:44 Uhr, schrieb Andras Mantia aman...@kde.org: Bugzilla is not a to-do list, it is for what else... a bug (and wishlist) reporting tool for users.

Re: Re: bugzilla situation

2012-02-24 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Friday 24 February 2012 19:11:12 Sven Burmeister wrote: Am Freitag, 24. Februar 2012, 08:06:41 schrieb Martin Gräßlin: My claim is that most of that user support only ends-up in bugzilla because people did not get help somewhere else, e.g. because only developers are familiar enough

Re: Re: bugzilla situation

2012-02-24 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Friday 24 February 2012 19:27:09 Sven Burmeister wrote: yes, of course, we have to help the users. But they need to get a tool for user support, not a tool for developer communication. We need a first-level- support to help the users. Developers are the third-level-support. I doubt

Re: Re: bugzilla situation

2012-02-24 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Friday 24 February 2012 20:31:46 Andras Mantia wrote: On Friday, February 24, 2012 06:51:11 PM Martin Gräßlin wrote: - first level support issues are not opened on the bug tracker but in a user support management system - e.g. forums.kde.org. Only if the supporters figure out

Re: Re: Re: DrKonqi improvement idea

2012-03-12 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Monday 12 March 2012 19:39:12 Niko Sams wrote: On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 19:34, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: On Monday 12 March 2012 19:26:27 Niko Sams wrote: On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 13:57, henry miller h...@millerfarm.com wrote: Good ideas, if anyone actually implements

Re: Re: [GSoC] KWin colour management

2012-03-21 Thread Martin Gräßlin
what you want to tell me with this last sentence. To me it's totally irrelevant what people want if I have to do a technical decision. I also want many things but don't get them :-) Kind Regards Martin Gräßlin KWin Maintainer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: Re: [GSoC] KWin colour management

2012-03-21 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Wednesday 21 March 2012 19:14:51 Kai-Uwe Behrmann wrote: Am 21.03.12, 18:20 +0100 schrieb Martin Gräßlin: On Wednesday 21 March 2012 08:23:39 Kai-Uwe Behrmann wrote: There is more into it: first of all KWin currently does not distinguish between screens during rendering. To properly have

Re: Re: Re: Re: [GSoC] KWin colour management

2012-03-22 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Thursday 22 March 2012 19:20:11 Kai-Uwe Behrmann wrote: Something like that is technical possible. But let me repeat, you get then a mixture of colour managed and non colour managed apps with the same toolkit, which is completely non understandable for users. First of all: users don't know

Re: Re: Setting up a Quality Team within KDE

2012-04-09 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Monday 09 April 2012 13:15:26 Andreas Pakulat wrote: There is not only Jenkins, but also CDash, which integrates nicely with our cmake-based build system. I was trying to set up nightly builds for the KDE modules two years ago or so (hosted on http://my.cdash.org, some of our

Re: Re: Setting up a Quality Team within KDE

2012-04-11 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Tuesday 10 April 2012 06:45:17 Laszlo Papp wrote: all I care about is that its easy to get a project set up to be build continously (and the unit-tests executed) and wether it provides more than just build errors/warnings and test-results. Since some of these things are handy -

Review Request: Require Qt 4.8 in kdelibs KDE/4.8 branch

2012-04-13 Thread Martin Gräßlin
://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/104593/diff/ Testing --- Thanks, Martin Gräßlin

Re: Review Request: Require Qt 4.8 in kdelibs KDE/4.8 branch

2012-04-13 Thread Martin Gräßlin
--- On April 13, 2012, 8:07 p.m., Martin Gräßlin wrote: --- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: http://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/104593

Re: Re: Re: Shortcuts (WAS: [Development] api changes)

2012-04-16 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Monday 16 April 2012 15:00:39 Rick Stockton wrote: I know that such a request is only an optional suggestion to the WM. Now, looking ahead: Do we want KWin (and maybe PLasma, as well) to continue skip layers, going directly to xcb or wayland (or ??) in the same way we currently do a lot of

Re: TechBase git policies, infrastructure documentation, please

2012-04-29 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Sunday 29 April 2012 13:11:19 Alexander Neundorf wrote: Can somebody please take care of the sorry state of our git documentation ? There were so many people supporting it, can please somebody document it ? On techbase.kde.org, not in some blog or wherever. For the record:

Re: Use Icon Tasks as out default taskmanager for KDE 4.9?

2012-05-05 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Friday 04 May 2012 22:36:25 Mark wrote: Hi, So all things considered, why don't we pull the plug for taskmanager and start using icon tasks by default? And would this still be on time for KDE 4.9? this discussion does not belong on core-devel, but on plasma-devel as it is only workspace

Re: Re: QtScript considered dangerous

2012-05-24 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 22:08:08 Milian Wolff wrote: We have port Kate away from QtScript. I want to remind that today is beta tagging for 4.9 and we are already in feature and dependency freeze. No matter how we turn it: switching the scripting engine cannot count as a bugfix and might

Re: Re: kdelibs and Qt version dependency

2012-06-06 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Wednesday 06 June 2012 20:32:49 Albert Astals Cid wrote: But I'm expecting more people to have an opinion on this. David? Sebas? Someone from plasma? in the initial thread I was in favor of going for Qt 4.8, but I accepted the opinion of the majority. I would consider it as a bad incident if

Re: Re: Proposed adjustments to our release cycles

2012-06-17 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Monday 18 June 2012 00:26:13 Albert Astals Cid wrote: My concerns: * Need more people to do the tarball packaging/releasing (since if you propose to release that often you can't expect the same person to be doing packages almost weekly or byweekly given the release dates won't probably

Re: Re: Proposed adjustments to our release cycles

2012-06-18 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Monday 18 June 2012 19:08:33 Albert Astals Cid wrote: El Dilluns, 18 de juny de 2012, a les 06:36:33, Martin Gräßlin va escriure: On Monday 18 June 2012 00:26:13 Albert Astals Cid wrote: My concerns: * Need more people to do the tarball packaging/releasing (since if you propose

Re: Compiler version

2012-06-27 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Wednesday 27 June 2012 23:28:30 Ivan Čukić wrote: Hi all, I've tested the waters some time ago [1] what would people say if we started asking for more modern compilers. I've stated there I'll start the discussion on k-c-d once we branch out 4.9, so I'm doing as promised. The post was only

Re: Re: Compiler version

2012-06-28 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Thursday 28 June 2012 00:27:08 Ivan Cukic wrote: Can you explain why you need a more modern version, I see a good analysis of what the current situation regarding compiler availability but i fail to see why we need a newer compiler. For me, the main reasons for this request are: -

Re: Re: Compiler version

2012-06-28 Thread Martin Gräßlin
if it would mean that we have to restrict ourself to an outdated gcc version. Reasons why in general I would find it acceptable to drop support for non-linux in KWin are outlined in a recent discussion on plasma mailing list [1]. @Raphael any idea about that? Cheers Martin Gräßlin [1] http

Re: Compiler version

2012-07-01 Thread Martin Gräßlin
Am 30.06.2012 17:31, schrieb Heinz Wiesinger: However, the point of dropping platforms in general remains, I suppose. From what I understood the compilers are available in FreeBSD and I think there was no other system having problems with it. Regards Martin Gräßlin

Re: Using userbase for manuals

2012-07-01 Thread Martin Gräßlin
that it's docbook (tried it once, decided again that xml is just a form of binary and I don't write binary). Using Wiki markup is much more natural and with future MediaWiki releases we will even have WYSIWYG editors. Cheers Martin Gräßlin

Re: Compiler version

2012-07-02 Thread Martin Gräßlin
to update to gcc 4.6. Cheers Martin Gräßlin

Re: Re: kde-workspace KDE/4.9 broken

2012-07-10 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Tuesday 10 July 2012 18:12:03 Thomas Lübking wrote: Am 10.07.2012, 17:38 Uhr, schrieb guy-kde guy-...@maurel.de: Hello Thomas! Hi Guy and everyone else =) There's iirc somewhere a config key to build kwin w/o activity support - try ccmake I found in CMakeCache.txt: //Enable

Re: Re: Does KDE Desktop want a full-width mouse/pointer Button State mask?

2012-07-11 Thread Martin Gräßlin
but not beeing a mouse. So I would say that it would be a waste to not make use of what's possible. Kind Regards Martin Gräßlin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: Review Request: kde-workspace KDE/4.9 broken

2012-07-12 Thread Martin Gräßlin
--- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: http://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/105522/#review15724 --- Ship it! Ship It! - Martin Gräßlin On July 12, 2012, 7:57

Re: Review Request: KWallet Password Prompt Dialog In Your Face

2012-07-20 Thread Martin Gräßlin
bad idea to ask for passwords in a nag window way as long as we have kded asks for password. Yeah right, what's kded again? - Martin Gräßlin On July 20, 2012, 1:41 p.m., Allen Winter wrote: --- This is an automatically generated e

Re: Review Request: KWallet Password Prompt Dialog In Your Face

2012-07-20 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On July 20, 2012, 2:15 p.m., Martin Gräßlin wrote: Allen Winter wrote: So I don't know much about window managers and stuff.. what I want is to make sure that no matter what the prompt dialog is in the user's face and can't be dismissed. The worst case I've found

Re: Re: RFC: Moving KWallet Password dialog into Plasma

2012-07-20 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Friday 20 July 2012 18:48:47 Thomas Lübking wrote: Like into the plasma-desktop process which shares memory with random plasmoids of questionable source? No. And I mean no way. The wallet password dialog isn't very secure anyway, but passing the password through plasma means to open it

Re: Re: Re: RFC: Moving KWallet Password dialog into Plasma

2012-07-20 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Friday 20 July 2012 19:37:00 Thomas Lübking wrote: no, see above. the password dialog is snake-oil. (given kwallet acts like this) no it's not complete snake-oil. It does not protect against an attacker already on the system (to my knowledge hardly anything not running as root can be

Re: Re: RFC: Moving KWallet Password dialog into Plasma

2012-07-20 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Friday 20 July 2012 18:25:15 David Edmundson wrote: On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: Hi all, the problems around review request #105628 and getting KWallet's Password dialog properly raised above the window it is asking the password for just

Re: Re: RFC: Moving KWallet Password dialog into Plasma

2012-07-24 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Tuesday 24 July 2012 14:20:48 Aurélien Gâteau wrote: Le vendredi 20 juillet 2012 17:58:04 Martin Gräßlin a écrit : Providing a password safe and asking for the master password is also a system service and should belong into the workspace. So here my idea: let's move the password dialog

Re: Review Request: KWallet Password Prompt Dialog In Your Face

2012-08-15 Thread Martin Gräßlin
--- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: http://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/105628/#review17478 --- this approach seems fine to me. - Martin Gräßlin On Aug. 4

Re: Re: [RFC] Merging LightDM into KDE Workspaces (forwarded from plasma-devel)

2012-08-23 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Wednesday 22 August 2012 20:44:00 Sune Vuorela wrote: From my personal view and as a packager, I would say we only need *one* display manager in the workspace. So, if lightdm comes, then KDM must go in my opinion. No, LightDM-KDE and KDM solve different problems. KDM is a full-blown display

Re: Appmenu support for KDE 4.10

2012-09-11 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Tuesday 11 September 2012 15:24:44 Cedric Bellegarde wrote: Hello, since last mail, many changes. Kded-appmenu: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kdereview/kded-appmenu - DBus interface allowing KWin to ask for applications menu to popup - New Top menubar: *

Re: Review Request: Use a qml based screen locker in place of the screensaver

2012-09-16 Thread Martin Gräßlin
to the line edit by default in this mode. Overall it's good stuff from a user perspective (I haven't looked at the code at all unfortunately), just need to make sure it's possible to lock screen and unlock without using the mouse. :) Martin Gräßlin wrote: The only issues I've

Re: Re: Requiring cmake 2.8.9 for kdelibs 4.10 ?

2012-09-29 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Saturday 29 September 2012 11:48:03 Alexander Neundorf wrote: On Saturday 29 September 2012, André Wöbbeking wrote: Hi Alex, On Saturday 29 September 2012 10:36:55 Alexander Neundorf wrote: I know this will cause some effort, because I guess only few distributions already come with

Re: Re: Requiring cmake 2.8.9 for kdelibs 4.10 ?

2012-09-29 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Saturday 29 September 2012 13:19:30 you wrote: But how does that differ from requiring other very recent packages, including Qt ? we don't do that. We still require only Qt 4.7 and there is one difference in build system vs. some depending library. Depending library is nicely handled by

Re: Review Request: Use a qml based screen locker in place of the screensaver

2012-10-03 Thread Martin Gräßlin
--- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: http://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/106124/#review19834 --- It's submitted, isn't it? - Martin Gräßlin On Sept. 19

Re: RFC: Enabling -DKDE4_BUILD_TESTS=ON by default

2012-10-08 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Monday 08 October 2012 22:40:55 Albert Astals Cid wrote: Hi fellow kde-core-develers, i was thinking that from time to time someone commits some code that breaks the building of the tests. This happens because people is not aware that those parts are unit tested. I think that by

Re: Re: Kdelibs Coding Style vs. preparations for Qt5

2012-12-29 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Saturday 29 December 2012 16:25:54 Albert Astals Cid wrote: Would there be any chance to have the style check done by a pre-commit hook? Or at least have a command-line tool that checks it for me? yeah that should be possible. At my old day-job I created a pre-commit hook to basically grep

Re: Re: plasma and new shadow mess

2013-01-06 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Sunday 06 January 2013 16:37:47 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: btw, these changes were made in mid-November of 2012. i'm a little surprised people are only noticing now. maybe because the hard feature freeze was on November 8th and nobody expects that they need to adjust their applications after the

Re: Re: plasma and new shadow mess

2013-01-07 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Monday 07 January 2013 10:51:11 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Sunday, January 6, 2013 17:40:42 Thomas Lübking wrote: 1. it will make kwin link generic-shell what is sematically the gnome/unity shell approach. it is a library. that does not rely on the desktop (or other) shell. it provides

Re: Re: plasma and new shadow mess

2013-01-07 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Monday 07 January 2013 11:03:24 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: a reversion is not going to happen at this point. it is the proper way to do the shadows (one that relies on window manager functionality which kwin has thankfully provided for quite some time now; i'm a bit surprised that of all

Re: plasma and new shadow mess

2013-01-07 Thread Martin Gräßlin
Am 07.01.2013 14:18, schrieb Aaron J. Seigo: On Monday, January 7, 2013 11:14:49 Martin Gräßlin wrote: The shadow system has been designed to work around the problem which occurs if we try to have the shadow in the panel. That is for any window where the shadow should not be part of the window

Re: Review Request: qml based kwin shadow

2013-01-07 Thread Martin Gräßlin
(in case you use any Kate-based editor: there's an option to only remove whitespaces on changed lines) - Martin Gräßlin On Jan. 7, 2013, 3:11 p.m., Xuetian Weng wrote: --- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply

Re: Review Request: qml based kwin shadow

2013-01-07 Thread Martin Gräßlin
X :-) For 4.10 it shall be Plasma.Dialog there of course. kwin/tabbox/qml/qmldir http://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/108243/#comment19118 please don't include the IconTabBox in the qmldir. I consider it private API :-) - Martin Gräßlin On Jan. 7, 2013, 4:07 p.m., Xuetian Weng wrote

Re: Review Request: qml based kwin shadow

2013-01-07 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Jan. 7, 2013, 4:39 p.m., Martin Gräßlin wrote: kwin/tabbox/qml/qmldir, line 2 http://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/108243/diff/2/?file=105557#file105557line2 please don't include the IconTabBox in the qmldir. I consider it private API :-) Xuetian Weng wrote: I saw

Re: Re: KDEREVIEW: Mangonel

2013-01-09 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Wednesday 09 January 2013 18:35:49 Martin Sandsmark wrote: On Tuesday 08 January 2013 19:30:45 Allen Winter wrote: No docbook manual I guess I'll to contact the doc team for this? Do you want apidox generated? if so you also need a Mainpage.dox No need for that (yet, at least, we

Re: Review Request: use _NET_WM_STATE_HIDDEN to check if the window is minimized instead of WM_STATE == ICONIC when possible.

2013-01-09 Thread Martin Gräßlin
we could add a KDE hint. We see the problem with _NET_WM_STATE_HIDDEN in the comment section of the code: shaded windows use it, too. - Martin Gräßlin On Jan. 10, 2013, 12:12 a.m., Yichao Yu wrote: --- This is an automatically generated

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