[kicad-users] PCBnew : module with same pin numbers causing fatal error when filling zone
Wow One more making me upset ! Ive modified a LCD module in order to put the same pin number on fixing points as the GND pin. Thus, the fixing points are connected to GND. But then impossible to refill the zones on my PCB : Fatal error causing PCBnew to close each time I try to refill after having changed the module by the modified one . (Memory could not be read at address xxx) That sucks ! Does someone faced this situation ? Stephane
RE: [kicad-users] module editor bug ? Edit pad -> bug found !
Answer to myself . Found the bug, and bug it is ! In order to edit pads in the module editor on a selected components, the concerned layers in PCBnew must be active. in PCBnew, I had unticked the copper layer because I was working on the component layer and then I couldnt edit standard pads with copper on both side, but only smd pads on component layer ! Ticking again all the layers solved the issue. Just to know that one . Best Stephane De : kicad-users@yahoogroups.com [mailto:kicad-us...@yahoogroups.com] De la part de Stephrac74 Envoyé : vendredi 5 février 2010 07:52 À : kicad-users@yahoogroups.com Objet : [kicad-users] module editor bug ? Edit pad Hi group, I want to edit some pads in the module editor of some components already created. Most of the time the right click on the pad dont show the Edit options. If I create a new pad, it starts again at 2 as if the editor dont know some pads are created. It happens with standard and own libs . It seems there is a condition that I dont find to reproduce the bug but cand find out what it is at the moment. Any idea ? Best Stephane --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a été contrôlé par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu à ce jour par nos services n'a été détecté. <><>
RE: [kicad-users] Named ?net? Question.
It should. As long as you have regenerated the netlist and reloaded it in PCBnew and that names are in the same sheet it you are using the standard label option. For separate sheets you have to use the global labels option (few icons below) Best Stephane De : kicad-users@yahoogroups.com [mailto:kicad-us...@yahoogroups.com] De la part de Geoffrey Reed Envoyé : vendredi 5 février 2010 04:25 À : kicad-users Objet : [kicad-users] Named ?net? Question. When working on a schematic, if you place wires on pins and name those wires, when you go from schematic to pc-board, should those not be connected in the PCB portion of KiCAD? --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a été contrôlé par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu à ce jour par nos services n'a été détecté. <><>
[kicad-users] module editor bug ? Edit pad
Hi group, I want to edit some pads in the module editor of some components already created. Most of the time the right click on the pad dont show the Edit options. If I create a new pad, it starts again at 2 as if the editor dont know some pads are created. It happens with standard and own libs . It seems there is a condition that I dont find to reproduce the bug but cand find out what it is at the moment. Any idea ? Best Stephane
[kicad-users] Named ?net? Question.
When working on a schematic, if you place wires on pins and name those wires, when you go from schematic to pc-board, should those not be connected in the PCB portion of KiCAD?
Re: [kicad-users] Re: KiCAD Parts Repo
patrick escreveu: > > what i was proposing is: > having the possibility to search the repo within kicad. that's it. Of course, that would be nice... But also, there could a simple browser interface, with the info obtained in the XML helping to find a component/module and images too. I just think that it may be simpler because of independent devellopment... Alain
Re: [kicad-users] Re: KiCAD Parts Repo
hi, what i was proposing is: having the possibility to search the repo within kicad. that's it. if the "owner" update the component / module in the repo it will not affect people who used the "old" version. about the concern of kicad being unstable because of the repo, i don't see why. if we agree on a protocol (for example a xml structure), then any modification to the website will not affect kicad. finally, if someone is not connected to the internet, well no problem the feature will be disable. pat
Re: [kicad-users] Re: KiCAD Parts Repo
The situation is even worse if you consider your older projects. anything that changes automatically via an on line system could be a total disaster to a project. While I am fairly open to an online resource where I can browse and find parts and modules and place them in my own libraries, it is total folly to have an such a system update anything you are using or HAVE used. It would be all to easy to end up with a board that at one time went to production without any problems to one that failed. It could be something so simple such as you changing some pad settings on a module to comply with your PCB house, and later because an update has happened, those settings have been wiped. It could be argued that if you change such settings then you should perhaps make a copy of the mod under a different name, but I don't think too many people would do that. The only way that anything should be updated is at the request of the user. It is far too dangerous to have a popup saying do you want xyz updated. Andy On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:19:26 -0200 Alain Mouette wrote: > > Chris Albertson escreveu: > > > > I agree. but management should be automated > > Not for me. Easy to use: yes, that automation crazyness that updates my > module while I am using it: NO. > > Alain > > > > > Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your > question. > Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of > Kicad. > Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your > symbols/modules to the kicad library. > For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the > kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups > Links > > >
[kicad-users] Re: KiCAD Parts Repo
> Hello Dick. > > What is a "part"? This is not a term I find in the Kicad UI anywhere, > so > > it is a formality to ask this question. Good to see you are still stiring up the KiCad Pot(discussion). "Parts are parts", from the ole KFC commerical. Designing a repo or a board requires specifying parts: part -> manufacture(MAN), manufacture part# (MFPN), this specific part# nails down a footprint. This part may have multiple schematic symbols, one symbol, IEEE demorgan or multiple sections such as large microprocessor SOC appearing over multiple schematic pages. I would says a component should end up in the design cache with a reference to a footprint and the specific symbol used on the schematic. Specifying a MAN and a MFPN specifies a part from a potential whole family of parts, i.e. 100Ohm or 7400 might imply one symbol, but implies many different speed, power and footprints. A specific MAN, MFPN enables a procurement engineer to construct a BOM, parts equivalents, distributors, price and buy the parts for a board. The repo should be organized by family(resistors, microprocessor,etc), description, Manufacture, Manufacture part#, spec.pdf, symbol, footprint). This would be a value added proposition for "part manufactures" to encourage the use of their part and "part distributors" if their part number and cost is included, where the web site could merit a membership fee from those guys. Here is one example (from an OrCad EDIF file) of useful properties: (property (rename PACKAGENAME "PackageName") (string "LM2717MT") (owner "DataXpress")) (property (rename DEVICESINVIEW "DevicesInView") (string "1") (owner "DataXpress")) (property (rename DEVICESINPACKAGE "DevicesInPackage") (string "1") (owner "DataXpress")) (property (rename DEVICEDESIGNATOR "DeviceDesignator") (string "A") (owner "DataXpress")) (property (rename DEVICENUMBERING "DeviceNumbering") (string "Alpha") (owner "DataXpress")) (property (rename PCB_32_FOOTPRINT "PCB Footprint") (string "MTC24")) (property (rename &_60__32_VALUE_32__62_ "< Value >") (string "LM2717MT")) (property (rename COMPTYPE "CompType") (string "Switcher")) (property (rename PARTNUMBER "PartNumber") (string "LM2717MT"))(property (rename VENDOR "Vendor") (string "NationalSemiconductor")) (property (rename VERSION "Version") (string "05/02/2007")) (property (rename BASE_PN "base_pn") (string "LM2717")) (property (rename SYMBOL "Symbol") (string "NameLM2717MT")) (property (rename VALUE "Value") (string "Value"))
Re: [kicad-users] Re: KiCAD Parts Repo
Chris Albertson escreveu: > > I agree. but management should be automated Not for me. Easy to use: yes, that automation crazyness that updates my module while I am using it: NO. Alain
Re: [kicad-users] Re: KiCAD Parts Repo
Hello Chris. > I think the way to make it work is to think of the local storage is a > cache > for an on-line library. A user then would not explicitly import a > symbol. > If he used an on-line symbol then automatically that symbol is copied to > the local storage. Later if the on-line symbol is changed he is asked if > the symbol should be updated. I see that you are knowing more about this than i. I am working with power electronics and hardware, not with software and such stuff. So i do not know the terms. > The software would be shipped and installed with a good symbol set > preloaded > in cache. Symbols are not the only thing.at moment i am fiddling around with metrical resistor and capacitor footprints and some SO-247 footprints. Next challenge will be some ferrite coil former footprints for ETD29 and ETD49 cores. :-) With best regards: Bernd Wiebus alias dl1eic -- NEU: Mit GMX DSL über 1000,- ¿ sparen! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02
Re: [kicad-users] Re: KiCAD Parts Repo
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Bernd Wiebus wrote: > > > So it would be sane to storage all used footprints separate and not touch > them without warning. > > But a plugin for importing, exporting and managing symbols, footprints and > perhaps databases connectioning them would be convenient and a great thing. > :-) > I agree. but management should be automated I think the way to make it work is to think of the local storage is a cache for an on-line library. A user then would not explicitly import a symbol. If he used an on-line symbol then automatically that symbol is copied to the local storage. Later if the on-line symbol is changed he is asked if the symbol should be updated. The software would be shipped and installed with a good symbol set preloaded in cache. -- = Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California
Re: [kicad-users] Re: KiCAD Parts Repo
Hello patrick > > what do you think about the idea of accessing the repo within kicad? > I believe that it would be limiting. I explain: as it is an open > project, every time the repo access is improved, kicad will need to be > changed, which is not good. > This can be avoided it it is done by a plugin :) I think you are right. 1. Because nobody wants to relay to a working internet connection during layouting a board. Some people actually doesn't have internet and are carying files around with usb-sticks. 2. Perhaps a footprint could be changed while you are working with it. So it would be sane to storage all used footprints separate and not touch them without warning. But a plugin for importing, exporting and managing symbols, footprints and perhaps databases connectioning them would be convenient and a great thing. :-) With best regards: Bernd Wibus alias dl1eic -- NEU: Mit GMX DSL über 1000,- ¿ sparen! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02
Re: [kicad-users] Re: KiCAD Parts Repo
Hello Dick. > What is a "part"? This is not a term I find in the Kicad UI anywhere, > so > it is a formality to ask this question. Sounds in a queery way pretty german, because in german, electronic devices are called "elektronische Bauteile". In a short and colloquial manner, they are called simpel "Teile", and if you translate this literally to english, you will get "parts". :-) So i think, a part is a electronical device. In KiCAD represented by a symbol and a footprint (module) and its Name. And, of course, also of its Type and Value. Very much PCB Layout Programms are using "Devices" called by a type name, as an example 1N4007 or BC337. If you put them in, you have a certain device in your mind, and the programm adds just symbol and footprint. Of course, you can edit this name, anyway. KiCAD is working a little bit reverse. You are thinking of a transistor as a type like PNP or NPN or N-MOSFET, and place the symbol to the schematic. Later you have to add a footprint to this transistor like TO-92 or TOP-3 or SOT23. You put in a value for this transistor at any point, but actually you can design the hole board witout it. Other programms will start with this step. :-) Despite there exists often workarounds doing the same. So i am thinking, i am much more free in KiCAD with my way of thinking and creating circuits with my gut instincts, working like an artist placing devices on a schematic like colours to a canvas. :-) But some people will find this inconvenient, because they have mostly a concrete device at their mind. They are thinking of a P600M, and want to place a P600M, and the programm has to put the right symbol and the right footprint in. I think, this cluster of type, value, symbol and footprint is called "part". At EAGLE, it is called a package. Perhaps this work could done in KiCAD by a database in CVpcb, which can be used, but also you can coose your own way. Similar to the field "preferred footprint" at the schematic editor (i have not used it yet, so i am not really sure, wether i am right). But with a preferred footprint only, it will be inconvenient if you using a lot of different footprints. > For footprints, there is an actual plan in place to support plugin code. Now i am asking: what is "plugin code"? Calling footprints by name of the device? This may be a good way, of course, but keep in mind, that perhaps there are more than two or three different footprints for one name. Not only differend cases, but think only of different ways of mounting a TO220 device, like "horizontally" or "vertically" or even "reverse" from the backside of the board. > I don't find symbol development to be as difficult or critical as > footprint development, so I am starting there, at footprints. Yes, of course. The number of needed symbols is much smaller than the number of used footprints. And, much more, they are usually very simple. But for me, this is my way to start with the symbols like i start creating a board with a schematic. With best regards: Bernd Wiebus alias dl1eic -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01
Re: [kicad-users] Re: KiCAD Parts Repo
patrick escreveu: > > what do you think about the idea of accessing the repo within kicad? I believe that it would be limiting. I explain: as it is an open project, every time the repo access is improved, kicad will need to be changed, which is not good. This can be avoided it it is done by a plugin :) -- I have been following this thread, an I have one idea (FWIW): there should me an "entity" recognizeable by kicad, probably exportable in XML format that should contain: payload: one and only one component or module either for eeschem or pcbnew information: name, tags, description, *images* (maybe more than one for 3D), author, etc.. And Kicad should be able to recongnize, import and export such "entities" . My idea is based in that this can make it possible to make a usefull repository of all this, possibly even in "Google apps engine" :) Oh! and it is very important to clearly specify the Licence (something like MPL) right from the begining, or it may become a problem... Alain
Re: [kicad-users] Re: KiCAD Parts Repo
hi, i think in kicad: symbol = component footprint = module the kicad repo would be for: - projects (.pro: .sch, .brd, .net) - schematic (.sch) - board (.brd) - component (.lib) - module (.mod) what do you think about the idea of accessing the repo within kicad? pat
Re: [kicad-users] How to handle components that have internally connected pins?
Hello. > Ie a display like the SC23-11 display where both pin 1 and 5 are > connected > to the cathode. To be able to use either or both pins and/or the display > itself as a "jumper" helps, but how do I communicate that to KiCAD? In the module (moduleditor?) use the property tool and chance the pin/pad name, that both pins 1 and 5 have the same name. Pierre told me this somme weeks ago in another thread. But because of time problems, i wasn't able to test it yet. Perhaps i misunderstood this. I think, this name has to be fitting to the name of the pin in the symbol from the schematic. So i think, the name should be "C" like "cathode". But better look into your symbol. With best regards: Bernd Wiebus alias dl1eic Original-Nachricht > Datum: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 20:28:38 - > Von: "Anders" > An: kicad-users@yahoogroups.com > Betreff: [kicad-users] How to handle components that have internally > connected pins? > Ie a display like the SC23-11 display where both pin 1 and 5 are connected > to the cathode. To be able to use either or both pins and/or the display > itself as a "jumper" helps, but how do I communicate that to KiCAD? -- Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla Firefox 3.5 - sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/chbrowser
[kicad-users] Re: KiCAD Parts Repo
--- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, patrick wrote: > > hi again, > > i was thinking that maybe it would be a good idea to integrate the parts > repo search in kicad directly (of course an internet connection would be > need). > > something like: adding a button Search the repo in component selection > dialog that open a new window for searching components and modules. > > doable? > good idea? > > pat What is a "part"? This is not a term I find in the Kicad UI anywhere, so it is a formality to ask this question. I know what a footprint is (normally called a module in PCBNEW), and I believe EESCHEMA uses the term "symbol". So what do you understand under "part"? Is there something that needs to be changed in the Kicad UI? For footprints, there is an actual plan in place to support plugin code. I am the task lead on it, and it should start in March or April, after the pending release is out. This is intended for PCBNEW. From this work, there may be something usable for symbols that can be carved out of it and for incorporation into EESCHEMA. But my current focus and commitment is to PCBNEW's footprint support. I don't find symbol development to be as difficult or critical as footprint development, so I am starting there, at footprints. Once there is a way to globally name a footprint (and I do mean global in the purest sense), then perhaps symbols can be taught to reference them. Dick
[kicad-users] Re: what does pin shape low in mean? is that the same as active low?
Hi I will interprit the pdf to it saying the little triangle low in will be for active low pins and use a ~ so it should be clear enough. Yea I know how it is annoying when they want to have a standard but require silver or gold crossing a palm to get it like USB. Hopefuly when I make a PCI kicad board using a fpga it will not have USB. But I am set now and thanks for your help. --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, Robert wrote: > > Thanks, that's certainly a useful document. However, I'm confused. > It appears to be an IEEE (ie American) standard, but it does make > reference to the IEC. The international standard, as far as I can > tell, is IEC60617. I don't know if there is an ISO standard or if > IEC60617 was produced in conjunction in some way with the ISO. Does > this document in fact represent IEC60617? > > There has been quite a bit of discussion about libraries on the list > recently. IMHO it would be better if kicad libraries as a minimum > followed an international standard; I know I'm not the only person not > to recognise library symbol CAPAPOL, and that's just a capacitor. > Should that standard be IEC60617 or something else? > > I did try to find a copy of IEC60617, but the IEC want money for it. > > Regards, > > Robert. > > P.B.J. van Elswijk wrote: > > Maybe this attachment could be of some help? > > > > PvE > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Robert > > To: kicad-users@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 20:37 > > Subject: Re: [kicad-users] what does pin shape low in mean? is that the > > same as active low? > > > > > > > > I was just researching this today. Since no-one else has replied, I'll > > let you have the benefit of my inexpert opinion. I came to the > > conclusion from my research that it is used with IEEE standard symbols, > > but apparently it is interchangeable with the invert (round circle) > > symbol. However, adding a symbol to a standard that means the same as > > one that already exists in that standard seems illogical to me. > > > > I did try to find out what the IEC standard is, but they would only tell > > me if I crossed their palms with gold. I'm not sure what is the point > > of a standard that is only revealed to a select few. > > > > Regards, > > > > Robert. > > > > josh_eeg wrote: > > > what does pin shape low in mean? is that the same as active low? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting > > your question. > > > Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the > > creator of Kicad. > > > Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute > > your symbols/modules to the kicad library. > > > For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit > > the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! > > Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2665 - Release Date: > > 02/03/10 08:09:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2665 - Release Date: 02/03/10 > > 08:09:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2665 - Release Date: 02/03/10 > > 08:09:00 > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2665 - Release Date: 02/03/10 > 08:09:00 >
Re: Sv: [kicad-users] How to handle components that have internally connected pins?
Sorry. PEBCAC strikes again... It does show up. --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, "Anders Gustafsson" wrote: > > For some reason, this message does not show up on Yahoo? Any ideas why? > > - Anders Gustafsson > Engineer, CNE6, ASE > Pedago, The Aaland Islands (N60 E20) > www.pedago.fi > phone +358 18 12060 > mobile +358 40506 7099 > fax +358 18 14060 > > > > >>> "Anders" 2010-02-03 22:28 >>> > Ie a display like the SC23-11 display where both pin 1 and 5 are connected to > the cathode. To be able to use either or both pins and/or the display itself > as a "jumper" helps, but how do I communicate that to KiCAD? >
Sv: [kicad-users] How to handle components that have internally connected pins?
For some reason, this message does not show up on Yahoo? Any ideas why? - Anders Gustafsson Engineer, CNE6, ASE Pedago, The Aaland Islands (N60 E20) www.pedago.fi phone +358 18 12060 mobile +358 40506 7099 fax +358 18 14060 >>> "Anders" 2010-02-03 22:28 >>> Ie a display like the SC23-11 display where both pin 1 and 5 are connected to the cathode. To be able to use either or both pins and/or the display itself as a "jumper" helps, but how do I communicate that to KiCAD?
Re: [kicad-users] what does pin shape low in mean? is that the same as active low?
Thanks, that's certainly a useful document. However, I'm confused. It appears to be an IEEE (ie American) standard, but it does make reference to the IEC. The international standard, as far as I can tell, is IEC60617. I don't know if there is an ISO standard or if IEC60617 was produced in conjunction in some way with the ISO. Does this document in fact represent IEC60617? There has been quite a bit of discussion about libraries on the list recently. IMHO it would be better if kicad libraries as a minimum followed an international standard; I know I'm not the only person not to recognise library symbol CAPAPOL, and that's just a capacitor. Should that standard be IEC60617 or something else? I did try to find a copy of IEC60617, but the IEC want money for it. Regards, Robert. P.B.J. van Elswijk wrote: > Maybe this attachment could be of some help? > > PvE > > - Original Message - > From: Robert > To: kicad-users@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 20:37 > Subject: Re: [kicad-users] what does pin shape low in mean? is that the > same as active low? > > > > I was just researching this today. Since no-one else has replied, I'll > let you have the benefit of my inexpert opinion. I came to the > conclusion from my research that it is used with IEEE standard symbols, > but apparently it is interchangeable with the invert (round circle) > symbol. However, adding a symbol to a standard that means the same as > one that already exists in that standard seems illogical to me. > > I did try to find out what the IEC standard is, but they would only tell > me if I crossed their palms with gold. I'm not sure what is the point > of a standard that is only revealed to a select few. > > Regards, > > Robert. > > josh_eeg wrote: > > what does pin shape low in mean? is that the same as active low? > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your > question. > > Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator > of Kicad. > > Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute > your symbols/modules to the kicad library. > > For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the > kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups > Links > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2665 - Release Date: 02/03/10 > 08:09:00 > > > > > > > -- > > > > > -- > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2665 - Release Date: 02/03/10 > 08:09:00 > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2665 - Release Date: 02/03/10 > 08:09:00 > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2665 - Release Date: 02/03/10 08:09:00
Re: [kicad-users] what does pin shape low in mean? is that the same as active low? [1 Attachment]
Maybe this attachment could be of some help? PvE - Original Message - From: Robert To: kicad-users@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 20:37 Subject: Re: [kicad-users] what does pin shape low in mean? is that the same as active low? I was just researching this today. Since no-one else has replied, I'll let you have the benefit of my inexpert opinion. I came to the conclusion from my research that it is used with IEEE standard symbols, but apparently it is interchangeable with the invert (round circle) symbol. However, adding a symbol to a standard that means the same as one that already exists in that standard seems illogical to me. I did try to find out what the IEC standard is, but they would only tell me if I crossed their palms with gold. I'm not sure what is the point of a standard that is only revealed to a select few. Regards, Robert. josh_eeg wrote: > what does pin shape low in mean? is that the same as active low? > > > > > > Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. > Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. > Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. > For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2665 - Release Date: 02/03/10 08:09:00 > -- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2665 - Release Date: 02/03/10 08:09:00
