KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace

[John Martindale]

Yes, it was a shocker and I apologise for having a bad day down here and to
everyone, especially Mark L for violating the etiquette. I will endeavor to
restrain myself more in future. 



However, over the years I have been on this site have seen increasing
amounts of this sort of thing. In my view there is no place for religious
zealotry on this site. It would be easy for many of us to espouse our views
in this respect and clog up the system for good..but we don't.



Similarly I think it is inappropriate to introduce un-researched idealistic
design changes that have dangerous implications for any who may choose to
copy. There are numerous implications of drop tanks on stall, centre of
gravity, spar loading, side slip uncovering ports, venting, ground
clearance, drag and air flow over the flaps, ailerons and tail. I suspect
most of us are insufficiently qualified to even begin thinking about these
matters. There are many KRs flying and none need such tanks as far as I
know. So Craig, if you're going to do it please get expert advice and when
you have it come back and talk from a more learned base. I think you'll find
most will advise against it.



Folks, please talk about KR construction and not God or drop tanks on Sea
Furys..in other words stick to what is real and achievable. 



I would also like to thank those of you who have privately indicated support
for what I said.



John Martindale

29 Jane Circuit

Toormina NSW 2452

AUSTRALIA



ph: 61 2 6658 4767

mobile: 0403 432179

email: john_martind...@bigpond.com

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From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Craig Williams
Sent: Saturday, 23 October 2010 12:25 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: RE: KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace



Well that's not very nice.  Having a bad day down under are we?  LOL

--- On Fri, 10/22/10, John Martindale  wrote:

From: John Martindale 
Subject: RE: KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace
To: "'KRnet'" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Friday, October 22, 2010, 11:41 AM

Piss off mate and the same to those who want to install drop tanks.



John Martindale

29 Jane Circuit

Toormina NSW 2452

AUSTRALIA



ph: 61 2 6658 4767

mobile: 0403 432179

email: john_martind...@bigpond.com

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From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Charles Burkholder
Sent: Wednesday, 20 October 2010 9:54 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace
























God's Grace

What is mentioned here appears to be a
shame, but the message is very true. I hope you are all blessed by this
story. I wonder how many people will delete this without reading it because
of the title.

There once was a man named George Thomas, a
pastor in a small New England town. One Easter Sunday morning, he came to
the Church carrying a rusty, bent, old bird cage and set it by the pulpit.
Eyebrows were raised and as if in response, Pastor Thomas began to speak . .
. 

"I was walking through town yesterday when I
saw a young boy coming toward me swinging this bird cage. On the bottom of
the cage were three little wild birds, shivering with cold and fright.

I stopped the lad and asked, "What do you
have there, son?"

"Just some old birds," came the reply.

"What are you going to do with them?" I
asked. 

"Take 'em home and have fun with 'em," he
answered. "I'm gonna tease 'em and pull out their feathers to make 'em
fight. I'm gonna have a real good time."

"But you'll get tired of those birds sooner
or later. What will you do then?"

"Oh, I've got some cats," said the little
boy. "They like birds. I'll take 'em to them."

The pastor was silent for a moment. "How
much do you want for those birds, son?"

"Huh?! Why, you don't want them birds,
mister. They're just plain old field birds. They don't sing. They ain't even
pretty!"

"How much?" the pastor asked again.

The boy sized up the pastor as if he were
crazy and said,"Ten dollars?"

The pastor reached in his pocket and took
out a ten dollar bill. He placed it in the boy's hand. In a flash, the boy
was gone. The pastor picked up the cage and gently carried it to the end of
the alley where there was a tree and a grassy spot. Setting the cage down,
he opened the door, and by softly tapping the bars, persuaded the birds out,
setting them free.

 

KR> Exhaust headers

[Mark Langford]

mbz...@comcast.net (no other information given) wrote:

> Among all the distractions, I hope no one minds that i get a bit of topic 
> and start talking about aircraft conversions
> I was wondering why so far I did not see any headers on corvair engines.

I can't speak for everybody else, but I can tell you why I don't do what I 
think you probably  mean to say, which is "tuned headers".  I spent a really 
inordinate amount of time building a set of 321 stainless headers, put $400 
in material alone, and it took me almost forever to do it.  Stainless is 
tough stuff!  Mild steel would have been easier (and apparently lasts just 
about as long), but even so, all those bends and extra welds would have 
tripled the effort.  Andthere's simply not enough room.  The simple 
straight exhaust I made is just absolutely all that will fit under my engine 
cowling, and anything more would have cost another couple of inches, not to 
mention a few more pounds,  megabucks more in material, and triple the time. 
And five percent more power only buys you a very few miles per hour for the 
effort.  Attention paid to aerodynamic details would likely pay far more 
dividends (not that I've taken advantage of those either!).

I hope y'all understand why I "slack" much of the time, and there's often a 
pretty good reason...

Mark Langford
N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
website at http://www.N56ML.com

KR> Exhaust headres

[mbz...@comcast.net]

Among all the distractions, I hope no one minds that i get a bit of topic and 
start talking about aircraft conversions 
I was wondering why so far I did not see any headers on corvair engines. 
On cars, headers accounted for up to 5% increase in horse power. What is the 
reason 
why the same can not be true for aircraft conversions? I guess at cruise the 
exhaust gases are efficiently 
evacuated and maybe headers will not give much of an increase in hp. But still 
I think it would be a benefit 
for the weight at take-off and climb. And also would increase the smoothness of 
the engine. 
Looking at the exhaust examples, I wonder if the exhaust really is tuned for 
the engine, or can the back-pressure 
be smoothed out. 

KR> Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 352, Issue 296

[p_mu...@sbcglobal.net]

Amen! This a KR forum, I'm begging you guys!
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Today's Topics:

   1. RE:  Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace (John Martindale)
   2. RE:  Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace (Craig Williams)
   3. RE:  Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace (Hall, Rodney CTR NNSY, C210)
   4. Re:  Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace (Seibert Family)
   5.  Installing a BRS parachute (Craig Williams)
   6. Re:  Installing a BRS parachute (Larry Flesner)
   7.  Fw: Cubbing (Mark Langford)


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Piss off mate and the same to those who want to install drop tanks.



John Martindale

29 Jane Circuit

Toormina NSW 2452

AUSTRALIA



ph: 61 2 6658 4767

mobile: 0403 432179

email: john_martind...@bigpond.com

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From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Charles Burkholder
Sent: Wednesday, 20 October 2010 9:54 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace
























God's Grace

What is mentioned here appears to be a
shame, but the message is very true. I hope you are all blessed by this
story. I wonder how many people will delete this without reading it because
of the title.

There once was a man named George Thomas, a
pastor in a small New England town. One Easter Sunday morning, he came to
the Church carrying a rusty, bent, old bird cage and set it by the pulpit.
Eyebrows were raised and as if in response, Pastor Thomas began to speak . .
. 

"I was walking through town yesterday when I
saw a young boy coming toward me swinging this bird cage. On the bottom of
the cage were three little wild birds, shivering with cold and fright.

I stopped the lad and asked, "What do you
have there, son?"

"Just some old birds," came the reply.

"What are you going to do with them?" I
asked. 

"Take 'em home and have fun with 'em," he
answered. "I'm gonna tease 'em and pull out their feathers to make 'em
fight. I'm gonna have a real good time."

"But you'll get tired of those birds sooner
or later. What will you do then?"

"Oh, I've got some cats," said the little
boy. "They like birds. I'll take 'em to them."

The pastor was silent for a moment. "How
much do you want for those birds, son?"

"Huh?! Why, you don't want them birds,
mister. They're just plain old field birds. They don't sing. They ain't even
pretty!"

"How much?" the pastor asked again.

The boy sized up the pastor as if he were
crazy and said,"Ten dollars?"

The pastor reached in his pocket and took
out a ten dollar bill. He placed it in the boy's hand. In a flash, the boy
was gone. The pastor picked up the cage and gently carried it to the end of
the alley where there was a tree and a grassy spot. Setting the cage down,
he opened the door, and by softly tapping the bars, persuaded the birds out,
setting them free.

So, that explained the empty bird cage on
the pulpit, and then the pastor began to tell another story.

One day Satan and Jesus were having a
conversation. Satan had just come from the Garden of Eden, and he was
gloating and boasting.

"Yes, sir, I just caught a world full of
people down there. Set me a trap, used bait I knew they couldn't resist. Got
'em all!"

"What are you going to do with them?" 

KR> Digital Inboard Wing Template (RAF)?

[Pete]

Hey Jon,
I sent you a copy of the airfoil.
If anyone else is interested, here is the airfoil coordinate set.

RAF-48 AIRFOIL
1.0  0.0
0.95000  0.01005
0.9  0.01950
0.8  0.04020
0.7  0.06050
0.6  0.07940
0.5  0.09380
0.4  0.10200
0.3  0.10400
0.2  0.09530
0.15000  0.08630
0.1  0.07300
0.07500  0.06390
0.05000  0.05200
0.02500  0.03650
0.01250  0.02600
0.0  0.0
0.01250 -0.01650
0.02500 -0.02340
0.05000 -0.03160
0.07500 -0.03690
0.1 -0.04030
0.15000 -0.04410
0.2 -0.04580
0.3 -0.04560
0.4 -0.04330
0.5 -0.03900
0.6 -0.03360
0.7 -0.02650
0.8 -0.01830
0.9 -0.01000
0.95000 -0.00640
1.0  0.0

Cheers.
Peter Bancks
Ballina, Oz.


On 24/10/2010 02:27, Jon Finley wrote:
> Does anyone have a digital version of the Inboard Wing Template (or a link)
> for the original airfoil?
>
>
>
> Yes, I do have the paper version and I do know how to do the copy, cut,
> align, paste thing.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Jon Finley
>
> N314JF - Q2 - Subaru EJ-22
>
> http://www.finleyweb.net/Q2Subaru.aspx

KR> Cubbing

[I FLY KRs]

I guess the secret is out.  This is why Richard and I do not mind our cross
country trips to the Gathering.  Amazing trips

Steve Glover
www.nvaero.com
steve.glo...@nvaero.com

KR> Diehl Main Gear?

[I FLY KRs]

Well, yes and no actually.  The same castings are used but the contour of
the leg is different.  The axle position in relation to the gear leg is a
moved by about a couple inches depending on the leg used.

Steve Glover
www.nVaero.com
steve.glo...@nvaero.com

-Original Message-

Is the same Diehl Main Gear used for both the tail-dragger and nose-dragger
(yes, tricycle) configurations (one mounted to the front of the spar and the
other on the aft face)?  

KR> Fw: Cubbing

[Larry Knox]

Mart, thank you for sharing this with us. I have it on my desk top. My wife
and I made a trip this year to eastern CO and south to Taos ,Los Cruses,
Tucson and thru Utah to home with very few pictures. Never again. Not
meaning the trip but no photo's. We had our 172 but we may do a trip in our
120 next year. la...@lebanair.com 

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Mark Langford
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 7:37 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> Fw: Cubbing

NetHeads,

John Backer forwarded this to me.  These pictures are awesome.  This does
it...I'm flying out West soon.  Check it out...


Subject: Fw: Cubbing


Truly  take the TIME to see all these wonderful photographs... from AZ
to NY.. from a Piper Cub. Great views of America from the air.  And I love
the captions!   Some of you will see your 'home states'.. (you Hawks and
Huskers!)  Very cool images!
Enjoy. Dick
http://www.vintageflying.com/page24.html














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KR> Diehl Main Gear?

[Larry Flesner]

>
>Is the same Diehl Main Gear used for both the tail-dragger and nose-dragger
>(yes, tricycle) configurations (one mounted to the front of the spar and the
>other on the aft face)?
>I am asking as I have the Diehl Main Gear setup for a nose-dragger.  I would
>kinda like to change it to a tail-dragger. I think this is as simple (knock
>on wood) as removing the gear, swapping sides, and mounting it to the
>forward face of the spar.
>Jon Finley
+

Yes and yes..

Larry Flesner

KR> Digital Inboard Wing Template (RAF)?

[Jon Finley]

Does anyone have a digital version of the Inboard Wing Template (or a link)
for the original airfoil?  



Yes, I do have the paper version and I do know how to do the copy, cut,
align, paste thing.



Thanks,



Jon Finley

N314JF - Q2 - Subaru EJ-22

http://www.finleyweb.net/Q2Subaru.aspx

KR> Diehl Main Gear?

[Jon Finley]

Howdy,



This seems to be a really dumb question since I cannot find reference to it
in the archives but I have to ask anyway.



Is the same Diehl Main Gear used for both the tail-dragger and nose-dragger
(yes, tricycle) configurations (one mounted to the front of the spar and the
other on the aft face)?  



I am asking as I have the Diehl Main Gear setup for a nose-dragger.  I would
kinda like to change it to a tail-dragger. I think this is as simple (knock
on wood) as removing the gear, swapping sides, and mounting it to the
forward face of the spar.



Appreciate comments.



Thanks,



Jon Finley

N314JF - Q2 - Subaru EJ-22

http://www.finleyweb.net/Q2Subaru.aspx

KR> Kr2 List?

[hart...@charter.net]

Please...please...trim the message you are responding to so that we 
don't have to keep scrolling through the repeated messages.  If you 
don't know how or don't know what I'm talking about I'm sure someone on 
the list will give you tech supportand...uh...let's talk about 
airplanes.
Dick Hartwig
Waunakee WI

KR> Cubbing

[Glenn Martin]

Dan Heath wrote:
>   will make a round trip out west one day in my KR...  Maybe when Steve
> hosts the KR Gathering.
>
>
One of my motivations is to fly out to California . I want to fly into 
Santa Monica Airport and Van Nuys, both places I lived. Step Dad worked 
at The Douglas plant in SM and I loved to spend time watching the planes 
at Van Nuys when I lived in the San Fernando Valley. Oh Yes...Flying 
into Catalina Island is on that list too!! Talk about your $100 dollar 
hamburger!

-- 
Glenn Martin
KR2 N1333A
Biloxi, MS, 39532
rep...@martekmississippi.com

KR> Cubbing

[Dan Heath]

So, was it the gorgeous sunsets, the beautiful sunrises, or the Cow tied to
the prop oOOPS, thinking of the wrong Mark...

I will make a round trip out west one day in my KR...  Maybe when Steve
hosts the KR Gathering.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2011 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
There is a time for building and it never seems to end.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC

-Original Message-

These pictures are awesome.  This does it...I'm flying out West soon

KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace

[Tim]

Right after you :-)

CldLk-Tim
Never Sucking-up

- Original Message - 
From: "Seibert Family" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace


Everyone ! READ the rules and do what they say PLEASE.  Or get off the 
forum. Sorry Mark for the outburst.


On 10/22/2010 9:58 AM, Hall, Rodney CTR NNSY, C210 wrote:
> How about we just get back to talking about airplanes.
> Rodney
>

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