KR>Need help on the best epoxy to use with micro balloons.

[herbert fürle]

When I have done the bodywork on my Kr I've got the best results by mixing 
resin and  micro ballons (no matter what epoxy-resin you use)at first, to a 
very dry mixture(no chance to squeeze on to the surface).Then add "household- 
alcohol"(in germany it is called Spititus-about 90-95% alcohol)to get a slurry 
mixture. It's easy to squeeze this micro slurry on to  the surfaces.It takes a 
little longer to harden. Never take this mixture for structural bonding!!
 The adventure of the hardened mixture is a very good and smooth sanding 
condition and it doesn't give cracks later on!(it stays smooth and flexible all 
the time). Avoid taking  vinyl-esther or polyester resin.This resin gets harder 
and harder by the  time and you will get cracks later on.For small repairs on a 
finished surface you can use "top coat" (most boat manufacturer use "gel 
coat"in their molds before they continue with the glass layers ,or "top coat" 
when they working on a moldless item).Both products are based on polyesther and 
need a special primer to continue with epoxy resin! To get a good surface and 
stay light on a moldless wing ,the best way is, to start with a very good 
preparation of your foamshape.That causes in a minor amount of micro and resin 
for your lay up and finaly just as little micro for sanding the surface to its 
color condition. Once again,using colered "top coat" as described results in 
unwanted weight and cracks later on, due to it's uncontrolled thickness.

KR> Need help on the best Epoxy to use with micro balloons.

[rkp...@comcast.net]

I personally am using using the west system. One of the things to remember is, 
when mixing micro balloons, the more micro balloons the easier to sand and it 
will weigh less. 

Robert Pesak 

Hermitage, Tn. 

http://photobucket.com/robertskrs 

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From: "rick newton" <newtonr...@hotmail.com> 
To: kr...@mylist.net 
Sent: Tuesday, October 5, 2010 10:19:36 PM 
Subject: KR> Need help on the best Epoxy to use with micro balloons. 


Hi, I?m a new pilot and a new KR owner;   
  
I live near Houston TX and wanted a inexpensive airplane both to build and to 
opperate. I just picked up a project that was started in 1974.I bought this Kr 
1 (almost completed project) that is in amazingly good shape. It's all there, 
motor, prop, gages, canopy and everything is done except the finish. 
  
My little plane needs body work!, I called around to aircraft supply houses and 
couldn't get any clear guidance on the latest improved bonding agents with 
filler.  I read the article on "micro balloons" and how to do the bodywork but 
again wasn't clear on the epoxy to use. 

  
Would someone who know this kind of stuff give me some direction and a resource 
to get? Please enlighten me. I would love to call someone and ask questions 
about body work i.e. adding more layers of fiber etc Anyone in Texas also 
would be good. :) 
  
thanks 
rick        
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KR> Need help on the best Epoxy to use with micro balloons.

[rick newton]

Hi, I?m a new pilot and a new KR owner;  

I live near Houston TX and wanted a inexpensive airplane both to build and to 
opperate. I just picked up a project that was started in 1974.I bought this Kr 
1 (almost completed project) that is in amazingly good shape. It's all there, 
motor, prop, gages, canopy and everything is done except the finish. 

My little plane needs body work!, I called around to aircraft supply houses and 
couldn't get any clear guidance on the latest improved bonding agents with 
filler.  I read the article on "micro balloons" and how to do the bodywork but 
again wasn't clear on the epoxy to use.


Would someone who know this kind of stuff give me some direction and a resource 
to get? Please enlighten me. I would love to call someone and ask questions 
about body work i.e. adding more layers of fiber etc Anyone in Texas also 
would be good. :) 

thanks 
rick  

KR> Need help identifying kit

[Pete Klapp]

Sounds about right for a KR-2 with retractable gear. Also check the longeron 
material lengths, approx 5/8" square x approx 12' in length. KR-2S's have 
longerons that are 12'-2 cut from stock approx. 14' long.

Pete Klapp, building KR-2S N729PK,

Canton, OHio




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> To: waltap...@earthlink.net; kr...@mylist.net
> Subject: RE: KR> Need help identifying kit
> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 22:09:43 -0400
> CC: 
> 
> I think that the landing gear wedges were for the old retract gear on the
> original KR2.
> 
> See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
> See you at the 2010 - KR Gathering in Richmond, Ky - I39
> There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
> has begun.
> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
> 
> -Original Message-
> The fragment matched the list for the KR-2S with the exception that the
> packing list fragment has "landing gear hinge wedges" and the KR-2S does
> not.
> 
> Any ideas on which model this kit might be? (I can send a jpg of the packing
> list fragment if you want to see it.)
> 
> 
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KR> Need help identifying kit

[walt appel]

Thankyou!

Ok, folks. If anyone in the central Texas area could use these parts in a 
build, please let me know.

Walt


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>From: Dan Heath <da...@windstream.net>
>Sent: Jun 6, 2010 9:09 PM
>To: 'walt appel' <waltap...@earthlink.net>, 'KRnet' <kr...@mylist.net>
>Subject: RE: KR> Need help identifying kit
>
>I think that the landing gear wedges were for the old retract gear on the
>original KR2.
>
>See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
>See you at the 2010 - KR Gathering in Richmond, Ky - I39
>There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
>has begun.
>Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
>
>-Original Message-
>The fragment matched the list for the KR-2S with the exception that the
>packing list fragment has "landing gear hinge wedges" and the KR-2S does
>not.
>
>Any ideas on which model this kit might be? (I can send a jpg of the packing
>list fragment if you want to see it.)
>

KR> Need help identifying kit

[Dan Heath]

I think that the landing gear wedges were for the old retract gear on the
original KR2.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2010 - KR Gathering in Richmond, Ky - I39
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC

-Original Message-
The fragment matched the list for the KR-2S with the exception that the
packing list fragment has "landing gear hinge wedges" and the KR-2S does
not.

Any ideas on which model this kit might be? (I can send a jpg of the packing
list fragment if you want to see it.)

KR> Need help identifying kit

[walt appel]

I posted the message below a few weeks ago--thanks for the responses. Since 
then I compared a fragment of a packing list to a packing list I found on the 
internet for a KR-2S(http://www.jgokey.com/rr_kr2_manual_pt6-6.pdf). 

The fragment matched the list for the KR-2S with the exception that the packing 
list fragment has "landing gear hinge wedges" and the KR-2S does not.

Any ideas on which model this kit might be? (I can send a jpg of the packing 
list fragment if you want to see it.)

Thanks in advance.

Walt



-- previous post -
Around 30 years ago my father bought part of a kit to build an airplane and 
shortly afterward developed some health problems and never started building it. 
He passed away last year and Mom wants me to get rid of the kit. I have been 
unable to find any paperwork on the plane and the aviation supply house that he 
bought it from has been unresponsive. Last night I found an old mailing in his 
office from Rand Robinson Engineering, leading me to suspect it might be one of 
their kits.


I'm not a pilot but I have been skydiving for over 30 years and if this kit is 
usable I want to get it back into the aviation community. I think what I have 
is the components of a wing. Can someone please give me some suggestions on how 
I can determine what kind of kit this is?

Thanks in advance.

Walt

KR> Need Help Cutting Spinner

[Dan Heath]

I am assuming that you already have the Deere dynamo?  If not, there are
other very good options.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2010 - KR Gathering in Richmond, Ky - I39
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC

-Original Message-

Now--if someone could only tell me where in the world do I 
attach a John Deere dynamo to a VW 1835

KR> Need Help Cutting Spinner

[Joe Walburn]

Wow!  Not THAT'S a revelation!  As a noob to this whole project I guess your 
caution to me should come as no surprise, and I am very grateful for it.  At 
the price of these props, I sure do hope it will "fly".  I'll tell you what, 
boys and girls, the more I read the more confused I become.  It's 
embarrassing to ask so many questions, especially in light of the fact that 
I come down firmly on the heads of students who waste my time with 
information they can discover for themselves with only a little work and 
reading.  That said, I do appreciate all your good will and will try to not 
be a nuisance.  Now--if someone could only tell me where in the world do I 
attach a John Deere dynamo to a VW 1835?  As they say here in S.E. Ohio, 
"there ain't no room nowhere  ta stick that sucker".
feli...@frognet.net
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To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Need Help Cutting Spinner


be sure to check with your engine mfg. to see if a composite prop is o.k., 
great plains does not recommend them, see his web site at greatplainsas.com

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To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Subject: KR> Need Help Cutting Spinner
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 11:16:14 -0400appreciative.
The spinner (SN-4) is from the Aircraft Spruce catalog, page 179 in
2009-2010 catalog, and the prop is a Prince 52-48 composite for a VW1835


Thanks much,
Joe Walburn


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[ktravi...@juno.com]

be sure to check with your engine mfg. to see if a composite prop is o.k., 
great plains does not recommend them, see his web site at greatplainsas.com

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To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Subject: KR> Need Help Cutting Spinner
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 11:16:14 -0400appreciative.
The spinner (SN-4) is from the Aircraft Spruce catalog, page 179 in
2009-2010 catalog, and the prop is a Prince 52-48 composite for a VW1835


Thanks much,
Joe Walburn


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KR> Need Help Cutting Spinner

[Larry Knox]

My experience and you may get more experience on the net do not use hear in
this application. Sand bag, been bag, rice bag it works. la...@lebanair.com 

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[mailto:krnet-bounces+larry=lebanair@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Brad
Ankerstar
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 1:49 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Need Help Cutting Spinner



Maybe.  I didn't, but then I didn't think of it.  My fix may have been 
better if I had.

Brad Ankerstar, SW Ohio
N774A


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KR> Need Help Cutting Spinner

[Larry Knox]

This process set in a pile, sack of sand will do a great job. Have patience
and just work it out. la...@lebanair.com

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Of Brad Ankerstar
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 9:02 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Need Help Cutting Spinner

<<There's also a small (12mm dia.) dent in the very end of this
spinner, and I'd like to know if there's a way>>

I had a similar dent on the tip of my spinner.  I rounded the end of a 
hardwood dowel and tapped it from the inside, gently, with a hammer. 
Better, but not perfect.

Brad Ankerstar, SW Ohio
N774A


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KR> Need Help Cutting Spinner

[Joe Walburn]

Thanks, Dan, for the excellent link.  I sure hope the Pam does its jobIf 
any of you smarter kids in the class have any other thoughts about this 
process, I'll happily entertain them.  On its face, though, Dan's link looks 
pretty idiot-proof.  Probably shouldn't 'a said that out loud...
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To: "'KRnet'" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 12:27 PM
Subject: RE: KR> Need Help Cutting Spinner


Should be helpful for any prop.

http://krbuilder.org/Spinner/index.html


See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics
See you at the 2010 - KR Gathering in Richmond, Ky - I39
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC


If someone could give me a crash (poor choice) course in cutting out an
aluminum spinner to accommodate a composite prop


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KR> Need Help Cutting Spinner

[Brad Ankerstar]

Maybe.  I didn't, but then I didn't think of it.  My fix may have been 
better if I had.

Brad Ankerstar, SW Ohio
N774A

KR> Need Help Cutting Spinner

[Dan Heath]

Should be helpful for any prop.

http://krbuilder.org/Spinner/index.html


See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2010 - KR Gathering in Richmond, Ky - I39
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC


If someone could give me a crash (poor choice) course in cutting out an
aluminum spinner to accommodate a composite prop

KR> Need Help Cutting Spinner

[Joe Walburn]

Excellent idea, Brad.  Have some 3/4 x 36 inch oak dowel in the shop.  Do 
you think it would help to heat the area some, or would that just get me 
into trouble?  Thanks again.
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To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Need Help Cutting Spinner


<<There's also a small (12mm dia.) dent in the very end of this
spinner, and I'd like to know if there's a way>>

I had a similar dent on the tip of my spinner.  I rounded the end of a
hardwood dowel and tapped it from the inside, gently, with a hammer.
Better, but not perfect.

Brad Ankerstar, SW Ohio
N774A


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[Brad Ankerstar]

<>

I had a similar dent on the tip of my spinner.  I rounded the end of a 
hardwood dowel and tapped it from the inside, gently, with a hammer. 
Better, but not perfect.

Brad Ankerstar, SW Ohio
N774A

KR> Need Help Cutting Spinner

[Joe Walburn]

If someone could give me a crash (poor choice) course in cutting out an
aluminum spinner to accommodate a composite prop, I'll be most appreciative.
The spinner (SN-4) is from the Aircraft Spruce catalog, page 179 in
2009-2010 catalog, and the prop is a Prince 52-48 composite for a VW1835
engine.  There's also a small (12mm dia.) dent in the very end of this
spinner, and I'd like to know if there's a way, without major surgery, of
fixing it.

Since I'm still new to your group, I hope mundane questions like this don't
get me tossed out.  Guess I'll find out...  If I can get the Secretary of
War to take a pic with her oh-so-complicated camera, I'll post a pic of the
spinner ding shortly.

Thanks much,
Joe Walburn

KR> Need help identifying kit

[da...@windstream.net]

Take pictures of what you have and send them to me. If I don't know what they 
are, I will post them on KRBuilder.org for others to have a shot at, for you.
da...@windstream.net

 walt appel  wrote:

=
Around 30 years ago my father bought part of a kit to build an airplane and 
shortly afterward developed some health problems and never started building it. 
He passed away last year and Mom wants me to get rid of the kit. I have been 
unable to find any paperwork on the plane and the aviation supply house that he 
bought it from has been unresponsive. Last night I found an old mailing in his 
office from Rand Robinson Engineering, leading me to suspect it might be one of 
their kits.

I'm not a pilot but I have been skydiving for over 30 years and if this kit is 
usable I want to get it back into the aviation community. I think what I have 
is the components of a wing. Can someone please give me some suggestions on how 
I can determine what kind of kit this is?

Thanks in advance.

Walt

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KR> Need help identifying kit

[walt appel]

Around 30 years ago my father bought part of a kit to build an airplane and 
shortly afterward developed some health problems and never started building it. 
He passed away last year and Mom wants me to get rid of the kit. I have been 
unable to find any paperwork on the plane and the aviation supply house that he 
bought it from has been unresponsive. Last night I found an old mailing in his 
office from Rand Robinson Engineering, leading me to suspect it might be one of 
their kits.

I'm not a pilot but I have been skydiving for over 30 years and if this kit is 
usable I want to get it back into the aviation community. I think what I have 
is the components of a wing. Can someone please give me some suggestions on how 
I can determine what kind of kit this is?

Thanks in advance.

Walt

KR> Need Help and Advise

[Mark]

A fellow named Howard Ainsworth was nice enough to sell me a partially built
KR2. I have had it in my kitchen for a couple of weeks and have looked at it
and found that some of the joints of the side panels have very slight gaps.
Can I just inject a little T88 in them to make it right?

Thanks for the help.

Mark W
N952MW (res)

KR> need help

[Lee Van Dyke]

Netters,

Who is closest to dubuque IA to possibly look at a KR2 for my father?  There is 
one there that is ready for flight but not yet flown?

Lee Van Dyke

KR> need help

[D F Lively]

LEE:

Contact Mark Jones as I think he is the closest with a lot of experience.  
Dubuque is not all that far from me(200 miles or so up the
"Big Ditch") but I don't feel all that competent making the evaluation.  The 
problem with Mark Jones may be a lot of snow but it would be
not more 2 hours for him to fly over if he has his plane sorted out.

Don
  

Lee Van Dyke wrote:

> Netters,
>
> Who is closest to dubuque IA to possibly look at a KR2 for my father?  There 
> is one there that is ready for flight but not yet flown?
>
> Lee Van Dyke
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KR> need help

[Joe]

Lee;
  I live 25 miles from Dubuque.
   Joe Weber  phone 608 759 5701
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Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 4:32 PM
Subject: KR> need help


> Netters,
>
> Who is closest to dubuque IA to possibly look at a KR2 for my father? 
> There is one there that is ready for flight but not yet flown?
>
> Lee Van Dyke
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KR> Need help with wiring/firewall placements

[Larry Flesner]

At 10:05 PM 11/24/2006, you wrote:
>Greetings:  I am currently ready to start the wiring, KR2S 2180 VW,
>Looking for assistance regarding placement of items on the firewall and
>a wiring diagram that is simple.B.M. Valentine Duncan B.C.
>+


For those builders that feel "electrically challenged" , keep it simple.
You don't have to have a one page diagram for the entire airplane.
Use a separate page or portion of a page for each circuit and draw
it as you do the wiring.  List each connection in the circuit such as
(main power buss, pin #1)  to (circuit breaker #1, pin 1) (circuit
breaker #1, pin #2) to (fuel pump switch, common pin) (fuel pump
switch, normally open contact) to (fuel pump +) (fuel pump -) to
(ground buss, pin #1).

You can later troubleshoot the circuit even without a drawing.  Make
the drawing or list of connections while you do the wiring.  If you
wait even till the next day you are likely to forget the exact routing.


Other than that, keep the high amp circuits such as battery to starter
as short as possible, and try to make all terminal strips and components
as assessable as possible.  Above all, don't feel bad when even with
your best efforts and reasoning, things don't turn out perfect.  There will
always be something that you could have done better.

Like you said, there comes a time when you have to stop thinking about
it and just do it.  Correct your mistakes as you go.

Larry Flesner

KR>Need help

[Don Woodyatt]

All,
I lost a hard drive with alot of KR info.(No, it wasn't backed up)  I 
can get much from search but I had many of your web sites saved that had 
good construction info and pix such as a recent site with execellent 
step by step photos of tail dragger to tri gear and others with 
canopys.  If you have a good site or know of one could you please send 
me the URL so I can rebuild my file.  Your help is greatly appreciated
Woody
KR# 658
Buckley, IL
wo...@illicom.net

KR>Need help

[Jack Cooper]

http://jackandsandycooper.com/kr2.html
My 2003 gathering pictures were mostly of canopies and vents and cowlings.

> [Original Message]
> From: Don Woodyatt <wo...@illicom.net>
> To: <kr...@mylist.net>
> Date: 3/5/2004 8:57:12 AM
> Subject: KR>Need help
>
> All,
> I lost a hard drive with alot of KR info.(No, it wasn't backed up)  I 
> can get much from search but I had many of your web sites saved that had 
> good construction info and pix such as a recent site with execellent 
> step by step photos of tail dragger to tri gear and others with 
> canopys.  If you have a good site or know of one could you please send 
> me the URL so I can rebuild my file.  Your help is greatly appreciated
> Woody
> KR# 658
> Buckley, IL
> wo...@illicom.net
>
>
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