[lace] Re: amateur / why we do this (long)

2003-09-11 Thread Eva von der Bey
Oh, Liz, I enjoyed your "pricing ritual" story! Some of my experiences and answers regarding lacemaking and its sense and its pricelessness: The only place i make lace in public is an old farm house, where I use to spend my holidays on horse riding. Its a family place, and between lessons on hors

[lace] Withof

2003-09-11 Thread Steph Peters
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:49:53 -0400, Marcie wrote: >For a thinking person's bobbinlace I nominate Withof... no diagrams or >pinholes between your brain and the lace. I have also put my Withof >knowledge to good use when faced with an incorrect pricking in another >lace technique. For me Withof was

Re: [lace] progression from the copyright discussion

2003-09-11 Thread Thelacebee
In a message dated 11/09/2003 23:25:41 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > This led to the question from one of my students as to how to get > permission if all you have seen is a pattern a friend is working which > you would like to work, with a name of someone you have never heard of

Re: [lace] Recipe and Questions

2003-09-11 Thread Clive and Betty Ann Rice
This should be on lace-chat, but since Margery posted to lace and I'm not sure she is on chat, I'll reply. Pardon if anyone is offended. When we moved back to VA from England, I had some recipes from FH Clive's aunts. Since they were in weights and I had my kitchen scales, I measured/weighed the

[lace] For bobbin makers?

2003-09-11 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
Gentle Spiders, Toni (who's no longer on Arachne but still a personal correspondent) sent me some info on a tree/bush which goes by a common name of "spindle tree" or "burning bush" (genus Euonymus). Supposedly because its wood is so smooth, it makes nice weaving spindles. So she thought it mi

[lace] Re: Cost of buying

2003-09-11 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
On Thursday, Sep 11, 2003, at 08:53 US/Eastern, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Liz) wrote: What has always got me about reenacting was that people wanted the best but wanted to pay the least. But isn't getting "the most for the least" what we *all want, regardless of the circumstances or object? It's where

[lace] Irma's needle lace

2003-09-11 Thread Lorelei Halley
Hi everybody, I just wanted you all to know that Irma Osterman has allowed me to put a photo of her recent needle lace piece "Let me Grow Lovely Growing Old" on the CALG website (for those who didn't get the most recent IOLI bulletin). http://www.chicagoarealaceguild.comIt is worked in colored

[lace] progression from the copyright discussion

2003-09-11 Thread Jane Partridge
In my class yesterday afternoon, I mentioned the discussion we had regarding *that* mat, and reiterated my stance on using copied patterns in that it is illegal (without the copyright holder's permission). This led to the question from one of my students as to how to get permission if all you have

[lace] Aesthetics and grounding of Beds and Binche

2003-09-11 Thread Leonard Bazar
I've been fascinated by the different ways makers of Binche and the other Flemish laces use diagrams, and plan and execute their work; not at all like traditional floral Bucks or Beds. I wonder if there is any documentary evidence (prickings or diagrams) indicating how the originals were worked, o

[lace] Witches' Work?

2003-09-11 Thread Marcie Greer
Reading back issues of LMi, a technique called Witches' Work was mentioned in an article by Berthilda Vandoren in connection with Binche. Does anyone know what this is and have some information about it? [Is there any way to ask people not to send speculations (without seeming totally rude?) We h

[lace] thinking persons lace

2003-09-11 Thread Merlene
"Several of us seem agreed that many bobbin laces, certainly floral Beds, and some of us (at least me) floral Bucks, are for "thinking" persons, what about Binche? " I think all of the laces are for thinking people. We each are unique in the way we think and that is why one lace will grab us and

[lace] Re: Binche - Was Thinking person's lace

2003-09-11 Thread kate
I had the price discussion with one woman where I related the cost of preparing the pricking alone to how much she would pay her cleaner. I was looking at the lace roundel she had picked to discuss and when I looked up to continue the conversation she just wasn't there any more. Kate in Somerset

RV: [lace] Lazy susan and thanks

2003-09-11 Thread Antje González
Thanks to the thread about the lazy susan, I have found out how to use mine. I happened to buy one years ago in a lace fair,(didn't know its name), and don't remember the seller's explanations about how to use it. Now I finally will try it and find out if it really works. Antje, from Guadalajara, S

RE: [lace] amateur lacemakers and thinking person's bobbinlace

2003-09-11 Thread Marcie Greer
We could take a cue from amateur astronomers. They take great pride in remaining amateurs and have made many of the important discoveries that require a human eye put up to a telescope. These days many of the professionals do not look up from their computers and couldn't locate the constellations i

RE: [lace] amateur lacemakers

2003-09-11 Thread Aurelia L. Loveman
I would remind readers that the root of the word "amateur" means "love." If you have a choice of various meanings for a word, why choose the one that's "insulting?" Rather, choose the most suitable meaning. If we're talking about lace and lacemaking, "lover" would be the best meaning for "amateur.

Re: [lace] amateur lacemakers

2003-09-11 Thread Thelacebee
In an email dated Thu, 11 Sep 2003 12:35:12 pm GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >In a message dated 09/11/2003 5:35:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >> I'm more insulted by the term 'amateur lacemakers' Devon >who thinks amateur is a word with a positive connotation > U

RE: [lace] amateur lacemakers

2003-09-11 Thread Panza, Robin
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm more insulted by the term 'amateur lacemakers' - if they mean that I don't get paid then that is only true if we mean in money and I don't charge because no one could afford to pay me.<<< I'm perfectly happy to be called amateur. I make no effort whatsoever to ear

Re: [lace] Cost of buying was Binche

2003-09-11 Thread Thelacebee
In an email dated Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:17:13 am GMT, Clive and Betty Ann Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Oh, Liz, that is a classic!  Love it! > >Betty Ann in Roanoke, Virginia, USA >~ >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> So I would go through the 'price ritual'. >> See, it's n

[lace] amateur lacemakers

2003-09-11 Thread Dmt11home
In a message dated 09/11/2003 5:35:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I'm more insulted by the term 'amateur lacemakers' - if they mean that I > don't get paid then that is only true if we mean in money and I don't charge > because no one could afford to pay me. > > My

Re: [lace] Richard II, hankies and pockets

2003-09-11 Thread Jill Treeves
Just had to respond to this as earlier this year my lace tutor arrange a visit to the Globe Theatre for her classes - we didn't actually get to see a show, but did get a demonstration by the head of the wardrobe there, where she talked about the costumes and how they were made - some we even got

Re: [lace] Re: Binche - Was Thinking person's lace

2003-09-11 Thread Malvary Cole
I can relate to that phylosophy by the public at large. When I was demonstrating on one occasion someone asked me if I sold what I made, I told them no because people don't want to pay what it is worth. After some further discussion she asked me how much I would charge, just as a matter of inte

[lace] Binche - Was Thinking person's lace

2003-09-11 Thread Clive and Betty Ann Rice
Oh, Liz, that is a classic! Love it! Betty Ann in Roanoke, Virginia, USA ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > So I would go through the 'price ritual'. > > I'd scratch my head, look pensive and say 'well, about er ... yes, that much thread > - yes, call the thread £30'. > > They

Re: [lace] Re: Binche - Was Thinking person's lace

2003-09-11 Thread Thelacebee
In an email dated Wed, 10 Sep 2003 4:12:46 pm GMT, "Aurelia L. Loveman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> quoted: >"... Binche...never fully evolved in design...but now being >revived as esoteric studies for accomplished amateur >lacemakers." > >Aurelia > Aurelia, I'm more insulted by the term 'amateur lacem

[lace] Richard II, hankies and pockets

2003-09-11 Thread Bridget Marrow
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Jean Barrett wrote: Dear Jean and other spiders, I didn't see the televised version of Richard II from the Globe, but I was lucky enough to see it live in the magnificent Middle Temple Hall earlier in the year. Of course from the audience one didn't get 'close-ups' of the

[lace] Channer's mat

2003-09-11 Thread Helene Gannac
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 13:55:06 +0100 From: "Ruth Bean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [lace] Re: lace-digest V1 #3773 Miss Channer's Mat Sadly, this illustrates just how the myths are perpetuated in this discussion:. Good on you, Ruth, I think this was an excellent answer to a lot of comments.