Re: [lace] Czech Lace SA exhibition and website
le 22/09/05 12:36, Carolina de la Guardia à [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : http://klk.pp.ru/index.php thanks Carolina for sharing . the patterns are really nice . by the way : for those of you who haven't been there already , click on the fifth button to the right .. the ones before are about crochet and tatting .. dominique from paris - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lace in book
le 24/09/05 2:29, Jane Viking Swanson à [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Hi All, DH has been reading Eldest by Christopher Paolini ISBN 0-375-82670-X It's the second in a series started with Eragon. so there's a second book . now that's good news!! i loved Eragon . will have to order Eldest in english ... Lucky there's lace in it otherwise i might never have known ... grin ... thanks Jane . dominique from Paris . - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Visiting Virginia
on Tamara's advice I am posting this on lace as well as lace-chat. Dear Spiders, DH and I are coming to the US for a 'road trip' around the Virginia area at the beginning of October for 18 days. We're starting from Washington DC and travelling via Shenandoah Valley/ Blue Ridge Mountains, across to Richmond and Williamsburg then up round Chesapeake Bay and back to Washington. Hoping to catch lots of Autumn colours in Shenandoah. Planning the final route this weekend. Is there anywhere that we simply 'must' include in our itinerary? This will be the fifth US road trip we have undertaken but the first visit to this area. We usually cover about 2000+ miles while we are away (and even with the massive hike in petrol prices in the US it will still be cheaper than the UK). Don't think I'll be travelling with any lace but will bring some embroidery or crochet with me to do for if I'm not too exhausted at the end of the day. Happy lacing Andrea Cambridge, UK - where autumn is only just round the corner. Want to get more out of e-mail? Then get Outlook Live! - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Russian website
On Sunday, September 25, 2005, at 04:05 AM, romdom wrote: le 22/09/05 12:36, Carolina de la Guardia à [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : http://klk.pp.ru/index.php thanks Carolina for sharing . the patterns are really nice . by the way : for those of you who haven't been there already , click on the fifth button to the right .. the ones before are about crochet and tatting The first button on the left also has lace. And if you click on a word that begins with a letter like a '4' and one like a backwards 'N', and the word is printed in turquoise, that usually brings up the pricking. Wish I could read and write Russian. There seems to be a chat group and I'd love to read the text. Sigh - so many languages to learn! Margot Walker in Halifax on the east coast of Canada Visit the Seaspray Guild of Lacemakers web site: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/quinbot/seaspray/SeasprayLaceGuild.html - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Selling on Ebay
Dear Arachnes I have a friend who has asked me to help her sell her collection of baby gowns/Christening dresses, assorted pieces of lace and embroidery (nothing very spectacular), embroidered/beaded bags and a couple of fans etc. My friend is now almost blind, so unable to appreciate her collection and she could do with some extra cash so I've agreed to do the selling for her. The local antiques dealer will probably be interested in two or three baby dresses, but three dozen!! I don't want to flood the local market, so I'm thinking about Ebay. I've never bought or sold anything with Ebay before, but I know that many of you have, so any any advice would be gratefully received. I realise that I'll need to open a PayPal account, (or restrict it to GBP cheques and clear the cheques before parting with the goods). I've resisted PayPal in the past for my own book sales because of the high charges - it works out at 55p on a single book or 3-07 GBP on a trade order for ten books. The questions I still have are: 1, The minimum reserve price with Ebay is 50 GBP. If I'm realistically hoping for about 25 GBP for an item then a reserve price is not an option. Should I therefore set the opening bid at what I consider the reserve price to be, say 20 GBP? If I set it very low and someone bids just a penny more am I obliged to sell? 2, There are a lot of low value items - would it be better to put these into 'lots' ie five different lace mats, or try to sell each item individually? Postage on five is likely to be the same as postage on one, it's the packaging that costs! 3, Most of the items would benefit from laundering to freshen them up! A mammoth task, so would it harm the dresses if I iron them unlaundered in order to get a decent photo? Any advice welcomed Brenda http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] IOLI reimbursments
Thanks, Ricki, for explaining some of that language to us! I really think that the bottom line is that officers in IOLI (and all of its many chartered guilds) are volunteers for one reason - there are no funds with which to pay them!! Because our conventions tend to be reasonably large, the hotels which provide the space we need are usually relatively expensive. The cost of providing travel, room and board - and conference registration - to even the executive committee members would get into thousands of dollars. In effect, this could nearly double the cost of membership for individual members, and the result would be a drastic drop in membership. Clay Clay Blackwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wish I were more familiar with the laws governing nonprofits -- No doubt it was drawn up a lawyer, somewhere along the line. But venturing in where angels fear to tread, one website offers these comments on IRS requirements: The Internal Revenue Code (IRC) states that in nonprofit organizations, âno part of the net earnings of the organization can inure to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual.â Regards, Ricki Utah - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Tonder book/abebooks
I've ordered through Abebooks several times. The only problem I've had is that once or twice after I've placed my order, I got an email back saying, Sorry, the book is no longer available. Almost all of the books I've ordered were from overseas, and no problems with credit card payments or delivery times. Barbara Joyce Snoqualmie, WA USA Think I did it again and sent to chat instead of lace. So here it is again: I've used Abebooks a lot to track down books, but I've never used their services to obtain a book I was interested in. I've always contacted the bookseller direct, either by phone or by email, and dealt with them. Some accept credit/debit cards, other want a cheque. In 20 plus purchases, I've never had a problem doing it this way, even purchasing from overseas. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Selling on Ebay
Dear Brenda, We've bought and sold many times on ebay. My husband sells postage stamps to collectors, and I buy bobbin lace supplies! FWIW, here are some thoughts. Yes, you should open a PayPal account, but you do not need to open a merchant account. Personal accounts are free (while merchant accounts have fees to the seller associated with them). If you open a merchant account, you can accept credit cards. I have only a personal account. In my listings, I state clearly that I will accept personal checks in US funds, money orders including Bidpay, and cash payments through PayPal. I also state that I cannot accept credit cards, debit cards or check cards as payment. Let me explain cash payments through PayPal. Sometimes people have cash balances in their paypal accounts (these may have come to them by selling other items and receiving payment from their buyers). In other cases, people have their PayPal accounts linked to their bank account. So if they make a purchase and don't have the funds to cover it in their PayPal account, they simply select the option in the payment field to have the payment amount withdrawn directly from their bank account. Paypal is wonderful, in that it instantly converts from one currency to another. I've bought many items from vendors in the UK and Europe, and had my US dollars converted to GBP and Euros. I have never been able to figure out whether they charge a fee for this conversion, but I don't think they do. Another good reason for international buyers to pay with a bank transfer rather than a credit card (credit card companies charge the buyer at least 1% of the purchase price for making the currency conversion). BidPay is a service of Western Union, and it is great for people like me. If a purchaser wins an item and they can't pay via any of the other methods listed in the eBay listing, they can pay via BidPay http://www.bidpay.com/. With this service, anyone who has a credit card can use it for making payment. The *buyer* pays the fee (usually a couple of dollars), their credit card is charged, and BidPay mails a Western Union money order to the seller. (However, I just checked their web site, and they charge UK sellers $5 per transaction to convert to GBP, so this option might not be reasonable for you--bummer.) Please note that all the above relates to whether you will pay a fee to collect payment. Don't forget that eBay charges the seller--a small insertion fee that you will pay whether the item sells or not, plus a final value fee which is computed based on the final price for which the item sells. As for setting the price, we have never used a reserve price. I think it depresses interest in the item. Rather, we set the opening bid at the lowest price we are willing to sell the item for. Yes, if there's only one bid (which sometimes does happen), you will have to part with the item at that price. In our selling listings, we always say (as everyone else does, too) that we are willing to combine lots in order to save the purchaser postage and packaging costs. But it might still benefit you to group similar items because then you will have only one insertion fee to eBay, rather than an insertion fee for each separate item. I'm a little hesitant about encouraging you to iron the dresses unlaundered. It is my understanding that heat sets soil and stains permanently. Ironing them could thus permanently damage the items. If you are unwilling to launder them first, I would not recommend ironing them. If you have any additional questions you think I could answer, please feel free to send email. Barbara Joyce Snoqualmie, WA USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Lace in Malta
Hi, I shall be spending most of January next year in Malta, has anyone addresses/contacts for lace makers there??? I shall be taking my lace pillow probably another one with me to make sure I have lace to keep me company. Many thanks, Pat Pat Hallam Nottingham, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for catalogue [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Shop on-line at www.roseground.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re Selling on Ebay
Hi Brenda, my husband uses Paypal regularly. There is a deduction for money others pay into your account - a small standing charge plus a percentage. There is also a transaction charge if you transfer small amounts (less than £50) from your paypal account to your bank account, though this should not be too much of a problem if you are selling a collection of items as you could leave the money there until it has built up to avoid charges. Worth looking at the charges so you can compare to what it would cost you to deposit cheques (postage / bus fare / carparking / petrol etc). The one advantage my husband has found, is that paypal payers tend to pay very promptly - often immediately the auction ends. This means that when he has several auctions ending the same day, I only have one trip to the post office - which makes a lot of difference as I generally have to drive to the nearest one. More recently, he has done paypal only auctions for this reason, as cheques are not generally written and sent anywhere near as promptly as paypal payments and it costs £2 bus fare to visit out building society. The higher the starting price of an auction, the higher the fee will be, but it is worth starting the auction at a reasonable amount. If the auction ends with a very small bid, then the contract is still valid and you do have to sell. Also worth selling on Ebay in small batches - I have noticed that when there are a lot of ne type of item on sale at a time, bids tend to be lower. Hope this helps, Karen In Coventry Who finally got to The Allhallows Museum in Honiton last week - and had a few wonderful hours admiring the lace and talking to staff there. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 23/09/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 23/09/2005 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Tonder book
The Tonder book is included on the Lace Archive CD's. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Art Fairs
Well, on Friday I learned something I didn't know (happens to me all the time). Friday's Wall St. Journal (yes, those $$ types are interested in art too) carried an article entitled Fair Plays, this under the heading of Art Money. It appears that most major cities run a type of art show featuring, as the Journal puts it, everything from furniture and paintings to textiles. Textiles! Imagine that! Apparently these fairs are run much like the state fairs that we all know and don't love -- one-stop shopping takes you past lots and lots of art dealers; much easier than going to art auctions. Seems that there will be a bunch of them in New York this fall: International Art + Design Fair, Oct. 7-11; AAF Contemporary Art Fair (all work priced between $100 and $10,000) at Pier 92, Oct. 27-30; and Modernism (focuses on 20th-century decorative arts and design), Nov. 10-13. Seems to me that a group of lacemakers could put in an appearance, maybe even make something of a splash -- a gentle splash, don't want to scare anybody -- but just to get the public accustomed, at first, to seeing lace occupying the same universe as photography, vases, tapestry, installation-art... Is anybody going to be in New York on any of those dates? By the way, some spiders have been referring to art vs. craft. Somebody even remarked with pride about lowly craftsmanship. I don't think there's any versus about it. Arts and crafts belong to each other; the more skillful our eye and hand (the craftsman in us), the more reach to our designs (the artist in us). Why else do accomplished and experienced lacemakers take workshops and buy books and devote themselves to minutiae of study? I remember with awe and affection that the very last workshop that Pam Nottingham (a stickler for technical perfection if ever there was one!) gave us in this country was called (approximately) Designing for Bucks Point Lace. See you at the Fair! -- Aurelia - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Selling on eBay
Hi All, I've also been selling some things on eBay. One thing I haven't seen mentioned is to check on similar items that have sold or are selling. In the US you can click on Completed Items (I think that's what it's called) on the left and see similar items that have sold (or not) already. I take note of the starting price, if it sold, for how much and the category. I never shop by category but some people do and it makes a difference! Longer descriptions seem to sell better too. I sell things as is and the buyer can wash or iron it. I also advise against ironing as it will set any stains. Can you hang them up so some wrinkles hang out? The background also makes a difference when photographing white things. On some doll clothes I added photos of the stains and noted in the description if it was less noticeable in person than in the photo. My personal downfall on selling is I forget to weigh the item WITH the box it's to be mailed in. I didn't realize how much boxes weigh! I chalk every error up to a learning expereince G. I have some of MILs hankies and was going to sell them by 2 or 3 until I saw that they sell best in larger groups. The starting price is hard to figure but checking other similar items helps me. You do have to sell it if someone bids on it. A high starting price can discourage bids. One item I had did not get any bids when started at $10.00 but got 6 or 8 when started lower ($3. or $4.). It ended up selling for a little over $10.00 USD. I upgraded to a Paypal Business account so I could accept credit cards. I want to get all the impluse buyers like me! As has been mentioned some people pay the instant an auction is done - very nice! One thing that surprised me is that no one writes anymore. I've been buying things on eBay for years and used to write all the time but not any more. On my first sale that made me very nervous, also that the address to send to was not verified. I talked to a friend in town who sells a lot and he suggested I insure the item for my own peace of mind. It went for $160.00 USD so it was worth it to me. It all worked out fine! The many fees can seem like losing money but I figure it's worth it to have the place to sell things. The research into other items can see like work but I've found it pays off. If you have more questions please write! Jane in Vermont, USA where the heat is on, I guess autumn is here. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Tonder book
Which disc is the Tonder book in please? Noelene in Cooma [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nlafferty/ - Original Message - From: Addicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Tonder book is included on the Lace Archive CD's. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Tonder book
Hi Noelene - According to the index I've stored with my discs, the Tonderske Kniplinger det Danske Kunstindustrimuseum Udstilling 1908 is on Disc one. (It was a short search!!) Clay Clay Blackwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Original Message] From: Noelene Lafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Addicks [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 9/25/2005 6:32:02 PM Subject: Re: [lace] Re: Tonder book Which disc is the Tonder book in please? Noelene in Cooma [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nlafferty/ - Original Message - From: Addicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Tonder book is included on the Lace Archive CD's. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Visiting Virginia
I don't belong to Chat so am posting this to Lace, please indulge me... Betty Ann Dear Andrea, Since I live at the Southern end of the Shenandoah Valley and know the Blue Ridge Mountains by heart, I wish I were here to welcome you. Unfortunately for the both of us, Clive and I will be in Dublin Ireland the first two weeks of October. We're going for a taping of the Danny O'Donnell show and will get there via Heathrow and Gatwick. Since travel is compliments of British Airways, we have to meet their schedule. If you're thinking of using the motorways, you'll be travelling West from DC (I-66), then South for a-ways (I-81- not so far South as Roanoke or Lexington) then East (I-64) to Richmond and Williamsburg. Then you'll go down (not up) to Chesapeake Bay (we call that Tidewater). Then it's a short trip North (I-95) to D.C. again through Williamsburg unless you choose US 17 which is a lovely drive through small towns which unfortunately are getting all the sprawl and housing developments from D.C. If you're self-driving, consider connecting with the Skyline Drive/Blue Ridge Parkway at Front Royal not far West of Dulles Airport. Then travel South all the way to US 460 (intersection is East of Roanoke). The Cardinal Lacers meet in Lynchburg which is on your route. There are several of the Cardinal Lacers on this List and they can weigh in now. Clay? Happy Lacemaking, Betty Ann in Roanoke, Virginia USA From: Andrea Lamble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lace@arachne.com Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 4:44 AM DH and I are coming to the US for a 'road trip' around the Virginia area at the beginning of October for 18 days. We're starting from Washington DC and travelling via Shenandoah Valley/ Blue Ridge Mountains, across to Richmond and Williamsburg then up round Chesapeake Bay and back to Washington. Hoping to catch lots of Autumn colours in Shenandoah. Planning the final route this weekend. Is there anywhere that we simply 'must' include in our itinerary? This will be the fifth US road trip we have undertaken but the first visit to this area. We usually cover about 2000+ miles while we are away (and even with the massive hike in petrol prices in the US it will still be cheaper than the UK). Don't think I'll be travelling with any lace but will bring some embroidery or crochet with me to do for if I'm not too exhausted at the end of the day. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Lace in Malta
On Sep 25, 2005, at 12:51, Pat Hallam wrote: I shall be spending most of January next year in Malta, has anyone addresses/contacts for lace makers there??? Obviously, you're not a member of OIDFA g OIDFA's current president - Margaret Crocker - is a lovely lady, an ex-patriate from UK, living in Malta (met her in Prague last year and can't remember many people to whom I took more, or even as, instantly. Very embarassing to find later that I had been sassing the top official, but not an entirely new experience, since I've sassed everyone from the age of 5, and mixed with some hierarchy ever since I can remember g) Visit their new website: http://www.oidfa.com/index.htm hit contact and you're there :) Malta and the neighbouring Gozo both have a very sprightly lace scene, and you should have a very rewarding visit there. -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Lace worth more than gold
The Late Gabrielle Pond signed my copy of her book, and gave me an insert for it, which states:- Extract from the Tablet of Memory. London 1787 p66. LACE. - more valuable than gold - one ounce of fine Flanders thread has been sold in London for £1. Such an ounce made into Lace may be here sold for £40, which is ten times the price of standard gold, weight for weight. We all know it is more valuable!!!, but it is nice to know that it was noticed so many, many years ago!!! Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Selling on eBay
I've never done any selling (or buying) on E-bay, but I do have a couple of splinters to add to the general chip-pile... 1) PayPal definitely *does* charge for the conversion of the funds from one system (like GBP) to another (like US dollars); they'd been doing it even before our credit cards got onto the act. I started a PayPal account when I started peddling the 2-Pair Inventions, to make things easier (if more expensive g) for potential overseas customers. Like Barbara, I opted for a private - no extra fees, no plastic option - version, because I was not selling on E-Bay, and because the profit margin - all of which is being plugged into The Lace Museum in Sunnyvale CA - was low to begin with. The fee schedule is a part of the initial sign-up, and is very clear about how much goes into Pay-Pal's service fee and how much into the cash transfer and conversion (or it used to be clear, 18 months ago; there've been updates since). It's worth keeping track of (I haven't, alas, since I had very few PayPal buyers g), so you can add those onto the *buyer''s* account. And estimating - including the cost of packing and posting - can be a bitch, unless you're willing to take a loss (which you wouldn't be, especially since you're selling for someone else), so you have to be very careful. I've had no problems in the 3 PayPal encounters, because I was dealing with Arachne lacemakers - well-known (if only via e-mail) entities, who were no more out to get me than I was out to get them) 2) On Sep 25, 2005, at 17:39, Jane Viking Swanson wrote: I sell things as is and the buyer can wash or iron it. I also advise against ironing as it will set any stains. I would undersign with both hands (to use a Polish phrase) that particular piece of advice... Direct heat from an iron *sets* stains and other problems (uneven yellowing, harsher wear on creases, etc) till they can't be removed. Don't do it. I agree with Jane: either sell as is, or, at most, hang out for a few days (possibly in a steamy bathroom for a few hours, then in a dry environment?) before photographing. One reason I'm doubtful about refurbishing in general (and totally against inappropriate refurbishing) is that, some years ago, I watched a neighbour spend *a ton* of money re-doing her house prior to the sale (on advice from the realtor, too) - new paint, new carpets, the lot - all to make it more inviting and sale-able. And then watched the buyer tear out all those new carpets and place them on the curb for trash pickup - they didn't suit her colour schemes... Perhaps it kept economy on the whole going, but both ladies were losers in the long run. -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Art Fairs/fair arts (and crafts)
Not lce at all, but I couldn't resist... On Sep 25, 2005, at 17:15, Aurelia Loveman wrote: Well, on Friday I learned something I didn't know (happens to me all the time). Friday's Wall St. Journal (yes, those $$ types are interested in art too) From bits and pieces people have been sending me from the Wall Street Journal, it seems to be not only the most all around but also the best ballanced US daily publication at the moment. I wish I lived in a bigger town, where I could have it easily available (on top of the NYTimes and the Wash Post) *and* could afford it too :) By the way, some spiders have been referring to art vs. craft. Somebody even remarked with pride about lowly craftsmanship. I don't think there's any versus about it. Arts and crafts belong to each other; It wasn't me who made the original distinction but I strongly support it... Historically, arts and crafts *combination* is younger than art and craft used individually, and - as a linguist - I can't help but wonder how much of the watering down of the import is due to the simple dfference between the singular and the plural form, as well as to the bundling... The moment you bundle two elements - arts and crafts in this instance - the import of *each* of the elements is halved. And, every time you pluralise a noun, it gets watered down - Art, by itself, is usually spelled with a capital, craft is not; when you use them in plural, instead of lifting craft up, Art loses its status and becomes arts. You may not be aware of it, since it always precedes crafts and is likely to be in the position where it has to be capitalised, but that's *so*, all the same :) It's a bit like a mesaliance marriage - you hope that the upper class partner will drag the lower one up, but it almost never happens. IMO - and I'd be happy to start an informed debate to the contrary on the subject - the plural (arts, crafts) lowers the status of each by half. Bundling them, in plural form - arts and crafts - *quarters* the value of each. Me, I'll stay with my craft, and accept whatever value the market assigns to it. Since I don't get paid for any of my lace in any way, and don't even insure it when I mail it off for photo-ops, my market is the pleasure people get (or don't g) from my published designs/patterns. If someone makes up my - craft - design and choses to call it arts or even Art, I may think it pretentious, but I have no objection :) Why else do accomplished and experienced lacemakers take workshops and buy books and devote themselves to minutiae of study? Speaking for myself? To be able to *give*, to other - perhaps less accomplished and experienced - lacemakers an opportunity of personal achievement. Possibly even *creative achievement*, if they meddle with the design I've given them - I've had some very exciting reports of changes people had done to some of my desgns, resulting in more interesting lace than I had conceived of originally. If I can supply them with more ideas, or ideas more clearly presented (allowing more people to follow them without trouble), I'll continue to attend workshops and buy books for as long as I can afford it, and for as long as my two remaining brain cells continue to function. Surely, there's no mystery in that motivation? I don't give a flying duck about appreciation or thanks. I care even less about having what I do called art or Art. I do what I do for an entirely selfish reason - I hope to give pleasure to others, to *serve*. Not to be overly pompous, but it seems to me that we (in US) *need* people like that at the grassroot level, given that the top is... well... over the top? in its self-congratulatory, but vicious nevertheless, circle? Yours, off the soap box, Pamela (or virtue rewarded, as illustrated by Richardson) -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] coffee and tea preference
Jenny is right, the water makes a difference. absolutely right . i use mineral water for both coffee and tea and it does make a difference . i love coffee and drink too much of it but definitely not instant . i must say instant coffee to me is not coffee; it's nescafé , drinkable but definitely not tasting like coffee. ... lol .. just like Mousline (a brand of instant mashed potatoes) which is ok but doesn't taste like proper mashed potatoes and is now a dish in its own right over here . the worst of all is when you've made your own puree with the wrong brand of potatoes and get told your mousline is delicious . arghhh! ... i usually buy ground coffee either from Kenya or New guinea but the choice of coffee depends on what coffee maker i use . Colombia suits my french press. With my italian moka coffee maker (the one you put on the stove with the water going up through the coffee) i use Segafredo Moka . with the electric coffe maker i have at the office I use L'OR absolu (absolute gold and it comes with a golden pack ... luxury ...) . i was told Nescafe doesn't taste the same in different countries . they adapt it to local tastes. and of course i like strong coffee , french or italian . drinking english or american coffee is torture (though i know you can find italian style coffee now in both countries) . .. lol .. that's why i stick to tea when i go to Britain ... i also drink tea (and have a cat) but not as much as coffee . it's usually my five o'clock drink . either strong english tea with milk or flavoured tea. there's a wonderful shop here called Mariage freres where you can find all kinds of teas from the world over and lots of flavours .784 çiii (oops . that was the cat walking across my table) AND i drink my coffe or tea without sugar (had to since i was told i had diabetes) . i found it was torturear first because i do have a sweet tooth but well i got used to it . the big problem is : you can't drink bad coffee without sugar there's nothing to hide the taste ! . dominique from Paris -- They say that women talk too much. If you have worked in congress you know that the filibuster was invented by men. --Clare Booth Luce To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Katrina devastaion
le 23/09/05 17:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] à [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : I wonder also whether people will want to return to live somewhere where they have experienced such devastation - I think I would be one who would get to the highest ground, and furthest from the Gulf states, just in case ... i read in a paper that's the old french quarter didn't get flooded because it had been built higher than the flood level . the ancients did have good ideas sometimes.. but then they didn't think they could override nature's laws ... dominique from Paris To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] RE:tea and coffee preferences
Hello Spiders All, I am a coffee person through and through! I will drink tea at Lace Days, and that's the extent of my tea drinking, and that is mainly because I never drink the 'Instant' type of coffee.I love the strong coffees, but whilst on holiday found - in Tesco's!!! - a canned Capuccino drink, which is supposed to be drunk ice-cold. We put that in the picnic boxes, with the ice-packs to keep it cool, and I loved it, so much that I think I must have boosted by a lot the shares of whichever company makes it, over the five weeks!Now we're back, its back to the two-cup cafetiere for breakfast, the filter coffee maker for 'elevenses' and lunch, the two-cup catetiere in the afternoon, and the Italian silver-metal thingy in the evening. That makes a really strong cup of coffee ... And yes - I am sure I would get shakey and flaky if I had to do without my coffee ... Carol - in Suffolk UK - now going to make a cup of coffee, as the willpower is ebbing away. - Original Message - From: Helen Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 4:01 AM Subject: [lace-chat] RE:tea and coffee preferences Hi All, To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: [lace] Tonder book/abebooks
In a message dated 9/25/2005 8:36:14 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've ordered through Abebooks several times. The only problem I've had is that once or twice after I've placed my order, I got an email back saying, Sorry, the book is no longer available. Hi All -- I've had success dealing with ABE before, too -- but the thing I found out is that the honest and successful handling of any book order through AbeBooks or AddAll is totally dependent on the actual ultimate bookseller. These are not book companies, but only web-listing services. I also discovered, after the fact, that ABE does not have any phone numbers listed on its contact page (although a bookseller gave me a phone number) and its headquarters are located in Canada. I don't know what kind of recourse someone would have, if they miss ABE's 30-day cancellation policy, dealing with international law, etc. After talking with a bookseller about this, I found out ABE and AddAll do not require any kind of assurances from the booksellers they list, or conduct any kind of quality checking. As she said, real booksellers are very upset about it, because these web services will post listing for anyone or his dog, if they are willing to pay the listing fee. As I discovered, IF there is a problem, AddAll is NOT a real company at all, and there is NO assistance from them. ABEBooks is a little better, but not much. I went through three cycles of complaints, at all three levels (AddAll, ABEBooks and the third seller in NM). Nothing was really resolved until I was forced to cancel the credit card charge. After that, the bookseller lied, telling ABEBooks that s/he had tried to contact me numerous times, which was totally false, and I could prove it. Midway through my ordeal, which lasted 3 months, I asked my ex-FIL who lives in NM to try calling that third bookseller for me. He found out there is no listing for them in the phone book, and they also did not respond to his voice mail messages, as they had not to mine, also. Apparently, this is not a real bookseller, but someone who orders books from someone else when s/he feels like getting around to filling an order. This is a real risk for people dealing with companies listed on ABE or AddAll -- tge bookseller may or may not be a real bookseller, at all. That's why people are better off contacting the listed bookseller directly, and make sure there is actually someone there, who will respond to your order in an honest fashion. Regards, Ricki Utah To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Humour
Subject: Duh!! Donald Rumsfeld is giving the President his daily briefing, and concludes by saying: Yesterday, 3 Brazilian soldiers were killed in an accident Oh No, the President exclaims. That's terrible. His staff sit there, stunned at this display of emotion, nervously watching as the President slumps, head in hands. Finally the President looks up and asks... How many is a Brazillion? David in Ballarat -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 23/09/05 To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] ebay plans for craft projector
here is a craft project to make that enlarges or projects an object onto paper to draw or copy. this would be a great find if i could use it to copy my bobbin lace patterns. i just recently had to print mine on white paper because the printer wouldn't take contact paper. i'm sure there is colored paper the same size as typing paper, but i didn't have any at the time i needed it. this little gadget would come in handy for those non-computer/printer days. ebay item. called Plans Instructions.build an Opaque Projector Item number: 8220443749 from susan in tennessee,u.s.a. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: Katrina devastaion
On Sep 24, 2005, at 22:58, susan wrote: every 2 or 3 months it will cost the government about 800 million dollars to rebuild Not the government, which is a very unclear concept quite often.. You, and me, and he and she will be paying. Same as we're paying for scores of other bright ideas, whether we agree with them or not. So, it would make sense to rebuild *right* - a real city, with real people - than to replicate, including all the previous mistakes. At least... *I* would rather pay $3 towards rebuilding something that *works* (for New Orleans and the rest of the Gulf area), than $2 towards another fiasco which profits only the few cronies up top, or no one at all. And given that I'm already paying (through increased gas prices) to the benefit of the few... I won't respond to the rest of your message... Not because I can't muster an argument but because - obviously - we're so far removed in our perceptions of what is real, that it's pointless to continue arguing. -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: Katrina devastaion
Hi All -- Some people might be interested in this article on rebuilding New Orleans -- at least, I thought it was interestingBut then again, I'm easily amused! (Even if it's really not funny) http://www.realestatejournal.com/regionalnews/20050922-corkery.html?rejcontent=mail Regards, Ricki Utah To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: Katrina devastaion
On Sep 25, 2005, at 4:18, romdom (Dominique) wrote: i read in a paper that's the old french quarter didn't get flooded because it had been built higher than the flood level . the ancients did have good ideas sometimes.. And more options? If you study the history of the development of the older cities - anywhere - the same pattern emerges *almost* universally (there's a city in Poland, fairly old, which was *not* built on a river. What's really suprising is that it never became part of the national stock of idiot jokes g). People built close to a source of sweet water - preferably *running* water, ie a river - in the first wave of settlement. Paris has Seine, London has Thames, Warsaw has Vistula, etc; sweet water (as opposed to salty, sea water) is a sine qua non, an essential for survival. As a 5yr old, I was taught that, should I ever get lost in a forest (mushroom and berry-hunting trips were oftern organised for city dwellers and my parents always took me with them), I should first find a stream, observe in which direction it moved, and follow. Sooner or later, it would join another, and I was to follow the bigger stream. Sooner or later, there'd be a house, built close to the stream, and the helpful adults in it would get me reconnected with my family. It does sound a bit crude and idealistic 50yrs down the road, but the basic perception - where there's sweet water, there's a settlement - had been true for years. As cities grew, *and as technology improved*, we had fewer options about where we'd settle but, at the same time, we were less dependent on the river (and the river got more polluted, but that's a different chapter of the story g). At the same time, the properties closest to the - sweet - water were the most likely to appreciate in value, excluding the poor from ownership (the hoopla about owning *seaside* property and getting rich overnight is a much younger cousin of the story). So, when cities developed - inevitably, if they were to survive, they had to grow, develop industry and service to the industry - they spread. With the rich closest to the central sweet nut and the poor ones a distance away, of course... What made that possible (though not always easy) is that developing technology kept pace; you lived 20 miles from the original centre, but your drinking water still reached you there, via a pipe. That meant it was possible for *both* the rich and the poor to move away from the centre. Only, by then, the rich could afford living 20miles away but in a higher elevation (expensive), while the poor couldn't, so they lived 20 miles *away from safety*. Hence the Katrina fiasco, when the technology (and money for it) didn't quite catch up with reality. Yon French settlers who'd settled old New Orleans exhibited no more than common sense/old-time wisdom that *I* received, 250 yrs later - look for a safe place with drinking water aplenty. Over the 300yrs since the settlement, the realities have changed - we no longer depend as much on Mama Nature, but we depend more on the government to get us over her bitchy... er... periods? That includes people settling lower than sensible (unless forbidden to) and hoping to survive. That includes people counting on the government (on all levels) to bail them out of a tight corner, when unimaginable knocks on their doors. That includes... Lots and lots of things. Had New Orleans *stayed* within the original settlement area, Katrina disaster would not have happened. Whether New Orleans would have been alive to receive the disaster is another story... 25% of US refineries are located in the Gulf (*not* the Middle East one, despite our fighting there g), and they're not dependent on tourist trade in any way; for all I know, they support it. -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: Katrina devastaion
Perhaps the fact that Rita has also caused flooding in New Orleans will wake up even those who feel that a 100-year-event is guaranteed to come only every 100 years... I love you, Jane, but your comment that because the river hasn't flooded your area in 250 years and you're in a 100-year zone means you should cancel your insurance is exactly the sort of thinking that causes problems. That 100-year flood comes *on average* every 100 years, but it may in fact skip a few hundred years, then come twice in the same year, given the right conditions. And the reason the insurance is at the appraised value rather than the remaining value on the mortgage is to enable the insured to rebuild at today's costs. Neither you nor the bank could rebuild your home for the amount remaining on the mortgage. It's not purely to rip you off. -- -- Martha Krieg [EMAIL PROTECTED] in Michigan To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
