Re: [lace] La Dentelle Russe

[J Reardon]

Thanks to all who replied to my query about the book. It is in 7 sections on 
the Arizona.edu site. The photos are there and are indeed good quality. I can 
enlarge them on my tablet and really see the details. 

The reason I'm digging into a Russian lace history is to put information 
together for our IOLI charter chapter to present at programs in our local 
libraries, including a very, very broad and brief history of the development of 
lace. I only included European history and the question came up in our group, 
"did European lace migrate to Russia or develop there independently?" In 
Bridget Cook's book on Russian lace she says it dates to the 12th century, 
predating bobbin and needlelace in Europe, but she may be referring to cutwork 
or drawn/pulled thread work. 

I found a book from 1906 on Google Books, Russia, Travels & Studies by Annette 
M B Meakin, in which she says, "Lace was more worn in Russia than in any other 
part of Europe.. yet the best books written upon the subject of lace in 
Western Europe practically ignore Russia." she goes on to praise Mme 
Davydoff's book. 

Arachne has members with amazing depth of knowledge. If any of you have 
suggestions about how I should word a brief statement about the historic 
development of Russian lace, I'd appreciate your input.

Jean Reardon, western Pennsylvania 

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RE: [lace] La Dentelle Russe

[Noelene Lafferty]

I recently discovered the free Google Translate app for android smart phones 
and tablets.  

You set your languages (e.g. French to English), point the lens of your phone 
or tablet at the printed text, press the camera button, and it translates for 
you.   It can't understand lace terms, of course, that's asking too much, but 
it does at least enable you to get the gist of the text.

And I was pleased to discover it worked with Japanese, so I can finally read 
the text in my Japanese bobbin lace book!.

Noelene at The Angle
noel...@lafferty.com.au

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RE: [lace] La Dentelle Russe

[Lorelei Halley]

Jean
I have seen this book in the library of the Art Institute of Chicago, many
years ago. It appeared to be a book of history and description of the
various Russian laces. It is a huge book. I would not expect it to be in any
lace guild's library. I suggest you try to get it on interlibrary loan from
your local library, or perhaps through a university library near you. I
found the photos fascinating. The photos are quite good, considering the age
of the book.
Lorelei Halley

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Subject: [lace] La Dentelle Russe

Have any of you ever seen the book "La Dentelle Russe" by Sophie Davyoff
published in 1895

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Re: [lace] La Dentelle Russe

[Adele Shaak]

Thanks for this - another book I’ve never read! I have printed out Part 1 so I 
can decipher it at my leisure (my French isn’t bad, but reading it takes time). 
What I have read tells me it is well researched and an interesting source of 
information. Looking forward to working my way through the text.

Adele

> 
> Dear Jean,
> 
> You can download this book in the arizona library:
> 
> *Davydoff*, Sophie. *La Dentelle Russe: Historie Technique Statistique
> [Russian Lace: History, Technique, and Theory]*, Heirsemann, 1895, 109
> pages. *Note: *Reduced to 80% to fit on page. Scanned images provided by
> Tess Parrish. Posted October 28, 2002. CD (LDA01)
> 
> 
> Here you have the first part:
> 
> https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/books/ds_lace_1.pdf
> 
> Maria Greil

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Re: [lace] Turning corners on roller pillow

[Lorri Ferguson]

Lacemakers of Puget Sound has one of these cone-roller pillows.  It came in an
estate we are selling.  If anyone is interested in purchasing it please
contact me.  We will have that and the rest of estate pieces for sale at our
Oct. 28th Lace Day.  There is also a large 'fan' pillow available.

Lorri Ferguson, in sunny Renton, Washington (I think summer has finally
arrived.


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Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 9:06 AM
To: Sally Jenkins; Arachne list
Subject: Re: [lace] Turning corners on roller pillow

For anybody who, like me, is better at folding paper than visualizing this:

If you cut a rectangle of paper the length of the outside of your handkerchief
edging, and fold the outer edges at a 45 degree angle so that your paper is
now the exact size of one edge of the handkerchief from the middle of one
corner to the middle of the next corner, and roll that paper in a circle so
that one mid-corner touches the other mid-corner, it will be the exact size of
the cone that you need. If you made a bolster in that cone-shape, you could
make a full 4-cornered edging without moving the pattern.

Hope this helps.

Adele
West Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)


> On May 25, 2017, at 7:45 PM, Sally Jenkins  wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I have a question about making corners on a roller pillow. I have seen the
> conical (as opposed to cylindrical) rollers for making corners, and I
> understand how they work, but how do you then go on working a straight
> piece of lace after you've made the corner? Do you have to transfer your
> work back to a cylinder? And then transfer it to a cone again for the next
> corner? Surely I am missing some basic understanding.
>
> Thank you,
> Sally in western Oregon, where the raspberry and blackberry bushes are
> starting to have blossoms
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Re: [lace] La Dentelle Russe

[Maria Greil]

Dear Jean,

You can download this book in the arizona library:

*Davydoff*, Sophie. *La Dentelle Russe: Historie Technique Statistique
[Russian Lace: History, Technique, and Theory]*, Heirsemann, 1895, 109
pages. *Note: *Reduced to 80% to fit on page. Scanned images provided by
Tess Parrish. Posted October 28, 2002. CD (LDA01)
. CD (HWDA10)
. *SAMPLE PAGE*
. *Part
1*: File size 8.4 MB PDF
. *Part 2*:
File size 9.8 MB PDF
. *Part 3*:
File size 12.9 MB PDF
. *Part 4*:
File size 10.7 MB PDF
. *Part 5*:
File size 10.4 MB PDF
. *Part 6*:
File size 13.1 MB PDF
. *Part 7*:
File size 11.2 MBPDF
.

Here you have the first part:

https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/books/ds_lace_1.pdf

Maria Greil

2017-05-26 19:34 GMT+02:00 J Reardon :

> Have any of you ever seen the book "La Dentelle Russe" by Sophie Davyoff
> published in 1895? I read a reference to it in a book about Russia written
> in 1906. It said there were many photographs of old Russian lace in it, as
> Ms Davyoff had personally visited each of the 11 (as I recall) lace centers
> in Russia at that time. I don't see it in the IOLI library list and a quick
> online search didn't provide any info. Just wondering if it is worth
> searching further.
>
> Thanks,
> Jean Reardon, western Pennsylvania
>
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[lace] La Dentelle Russe

[J Reardon]

Have any of you ever seen the book "La Dentelle Russe" by Sophie Davyoff 
published in 1895? I read a reference to it in a book about Russia written in 
1906. It said there were many photographs of old Russian lace in it, as Ms 
Davyoff had personally visited each of the 11 (as I recall) lace centers in 
Russia at that time. I don't see it in the IOLI library list and a quick online 
search didn't provide any info. Just wondering if it is worth searching 
further. 

Thanks,
Jean Reardon, western Pennsylvania 

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Re: [lace] Turning corners on roller pillow

[Adele Shaak]

For anybody who, like me, is better at folding paper than visualizing this:

If you cut a rectangle of paper the length of the outside of your handkerchief 
edging, and fold the outer edges at a 45 degree angle so that your paper is now 
the exact size of one edge of the handkerchief from the middle of one corner to 
the middle of the next corner, and roll that paper in a circle so that one 
mid-corner touches the other mid-corner, it will be the exact size of the cone 
that you need. If you made a bolster in that cone-shape, you could make a full 
4-cornered edging without moving the pattern.

Hope this helps.

Adele
West Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)


> On May 25, 2017, at 7:45 PM, Sally Jenkins  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I have a question about making corners on a roller pillow. I have seen the
> conical (as opposed to cylindrical) rollers for making corners, and I
> understand how they work, but how do you then go on working a straight
> piece of lace after you've made the corner? Do you have to transfer your
> work back to a cylinder? And then transfer it to a cone again for the next
> corner? Surely I am missing some basic understanding.
> 
> Thank you,
> Sally in western Oregon, where the raspberry and blackberry bushes are
> starting to have blossoms
> 
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Re: [lace] Turning corners on roller pillow - Southard Book

[Jeriames]

Dear Sally in Oregon USA, 
 
Thank you for telling where you are from.  I can refer you to a  well-known 
American book for the answers you require.  This is a book  that was widely 
distributed in the USA, and so popular it was reprinted with a  soft cover, 
so I'll give you the information from both that you need when  you go to a 
library to request an Interlibrary Loan:
 
In either version of the book, you need to reference pages  118-120.
 
Author:  Doris Southard
Title:  Bobbin Lacemaking
Copyright: 1977
Hardback ISBN:  0-684-15032-8, pub. by Charles Scribner's 1977
Soft cover:  ISBN:  0-684-17894-X, pub. by Charles Scribner's  1983
Total book = 216 pages
 
This is a basic book that all lace book collectors will have.  If  you have 
access to a Lace Guild's library, you should be able to borrow from  them.  
It will be available from International Organization of Lace  Inc.
 
You'll need the book for the illustrations of how to make and place a  
pattern on a cone bolster.  It says "A special pattern is used, which  includes 
a complete corner plus a straight length of pattern equal to  the 
measurement of one side of the handkerchief...  The pattern is matched  at the 
ends 
and joined so that it is continuous around the cone.  You work  around and 
around as though you were making straight lace."
 
Instructions are given for making a cone bolster, though there  are other 
methods that are of better quality (depends how often you'd  use a cone).  
Another use for a cone is to make a lace that is  flared (like an A-line 
skirt) so you do not have to gather a straight lace  to make a ruffle.  This 
uses 
less thread than a straight lace that is  gathered would, and takes less 
time to make.
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center 
(Private collection of over 1,000 lace books) 
 
 
In a message dated 5/25/2017 11:00:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
dansing...@gmail.com writes:

I have  seen the conical (as opposed to cylindrical) rollers for making 
corners, and  I
understand how they work, but how do you then go on working a  straight
piece of lace after you've made the corner?  Do you have to  transfer your
work back to a cylinder?  And then transfer it to a  cone again for the next
corner?  Sally in western  Oregon

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Re: [lace] Turning corners on roller pillow

[lacel...@frontier.com]

The conical cylinders are designed to make square handkerchief edgings in a
continuous fashion.  The side section of lace is only as long as the
circumference of the cylinder, following the offset line of the pattern.  If
longer edges were desired, a difference method was needed -- unless you did as
you mentioned and unpinned, changed pattern, repinned  for each corner and
long section.
It's possible to use a roller on a square corner, but it still requires
repinning.  A straight section is done, and down to a point at the corner --
working to the central diagonal line from the inside corner to the outside
corner but not past it.  Then unpin, reset the pattern, and repin, turning
your work 90 degrees..  Do the next long side from point to point, and
repeat.  This is a bit awkward but can be done.

I find it easier to use a block pillow.  Try to lay out the pattern so the
corner section is contained in one block.  Work to the diagonal line from the
inside corner to the outside corner, then pick up the block and turn it 90
degrees.  No unpinning -- just rearranging.  Or turn the whole pillow 90
degrees and keep working, depending on what style of block pillow you have. 
You can keep moving the blocks up for as long an edging as you wish.

Alice in Oregon


On Thursday, May 25, 2017 7:49 PM, Sally Jenkins 
wrote:


 Hello all,

I have a question about making corners on a roller pillow. I have seen the
conical (as opposed to cylindrical) rollers for making corners, and I
understand how they work, but how do you then go on working a straight
piece of lace after you've made the corner? Do you have to transfer your
work back to a cylinder? And then transfer it to a cone again for the next
corner? Surely I am missing some basic understanding.

Thank you,
Sally in western Oregon, where the raspberry and blackberry bushes are
starting to have blossoms

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Re: [lace] "Continental Lace Bobbins" (Lace Bobbins of the world?)

[Karen ZM]

Hi Brian,

I do have quite a large collection of bobbins and many old/antique
continentals and Honitons too. Since I am preparing to move house (although
I haven't found a new one yet but have sold this one), I will soon be
packing these and will be happy to let you have any photos you need while I
am in the process, if you want to give me further details.
I will definitely need a few more weeks though as my daughter is getting
married tomorrow week and I am right in the swing of finishing wedding
lace, flowers, favour etc. Once the wedding is over, I am expecting to be
exhausted for a while till I come down off my adrenaline high..it
always happens to me after a big job!

Karen in Malta

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[lace] bobbin lace teachers in Lincolnshire, UK?

[Louise Bailey]

Hi Arlene,

I don't know teachers in Lincs as such, but depending where they are, there is
an active Lace group in Lincoln, (I see them out and about at lace days)

https://www.facebook.com/LincolnLacemakers/

Louise

In gloriously hot sunny Cambridge

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