Fwd: [lace] lily lappet - pattern?

[Clay Blackwell]

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> From: Clay Blackwell 
> Date: February 7, 2017 at 7:25:56 PM EST
> To: devonth...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [lace] lily lappet  - pattern?
>
> During all of my years in making lace...  mostly from reconstructions...  I
can say without a doubt that the "usefulness" of a piece has never been a
consideration.  I approach each piece from one of two perspectives:  on the
one hand, I will learn techniques which are relevant to the period, or...  I
will be exposed to an entirely new type of lace.
>
> So no, I don't need a lappet, whether or not it fits anyone's ideal of how a
lappet should look.  Instead, I am drawn to the design of this piece from a
"stand-alone perspective" and would enjoy the challenge to reconstruct it.
And...  if I finish it, I will have to decide whether it is framed as a piece
to visually enjoy, or instead should go into my album of finished studies.
>
> Clay Blackwell
> Lynchburg, VA, USA
>
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Feb 7, 2017, at 12:15 PM,  
wrote:
>>
>> Dear Sue,
>> Far be it for me to question any challenging lace project. But, I am a
little
>> curious about why you need a lappet. Also, it seems to me that as lappets
go,
>> this one does not really fit the bill because it is not long and, shall I
say,
>> lappet shaped.
>> I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but if you were thinking of going
>> about in impressive cap streamers, this will probably be a disappointment.
You
>> may have to use it as a purse ornament or something. 😊
>> Devon

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Re: [lace] lily lappet - pattern?

[J Reardon]

>
> The lappet of tomorrow... What a great idea.

I'm very fond of lappets and find interesting the transition of their usage
throughout the centuries that they were popular. As time went on, they weren't
necessarily attached to caps, but just pinned to the hair on each side of the
head. If they hadn't gone extinct, maybe it wouldn't seem so weird. I can't
figure any practical purpose for them with or without a hat. They should be
honored for their longevity, if nothing else. What other non-jewelry ornament
has remained stylish for so long? Were separate lace collars and cuffs around
as long as lappets?

Jean Reardon

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RE: [lace] lappets in the 21st century

[devonthein]

Basically, the challenge is to get the lappets out of the lace conference and
onto the runways. How hard could that be? Fashion designers always borrow from
the past. I don’t think a simple expedient such as transforming lappets into
scarves is going to appeal to the fashion world which is always interested in
extremes. A full lappet ensemble with cap seems more likely. I think the
lappet style is rather flattering to the face. After all, it started in the
late 17th century and lasted until the late 19th century. Any style that
durable has to have genuine appeal.

There is no reason to think that Mark Jacobs, a man who once appeared at the
Costume Institute gala in a black (machine made) lace dress, would not try a
gender reversal on the lappet as well, as Adele suggests.

A larger problem that I see is that many of the best lappets required the fine
thread that is no longer available to make them in their historical
proportions. An attempt to recreate an antique lappet with the thread of today
might turn into more of a wall  hanging, or curtain, possibly a toga if it
were to be worn.

While Alice feels that it is the patterns that should be preserved, and they
are very pretty, perhaps lappet wearers of the 21st century would prefer
different themes than floral. Maybe they would like lappets with themes of
social commentary, or even abstract lappets.

Perhaps this would be a good topic for a lace contest. The Lappet of
Tomorrow.

Devon in dreary NJ

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Re: [lace] lily lappet - pattern?

[lacel...@frontier.com]

In the modern world, the lappet becomes half a scarf.  Attach the two lappets
of a pair together in the middle, and wear it under the collar of your dress
coat/jacket with the ends hanging down the front.  I've done that many times
with the one I made.  Or it could be just wrapped around the neck and loosely
tied in front.  Or wrap around the neck with one end hanging in front and the
other end hanging in back.
I'm also known, at lace conferences, to wear antique lappets hanging from the
top of my head and usually down my back so they are out of the way for
working.The last time I did that at IOLI, by the end of the week, several
other brave soles were wearing lappets, also.
Some of the old patterns are really lovely, and we can figure out ways to
adapt them to modern use.
The lily pattern is very attractive, and would be interesting to make. 
However, I would not recognize it as a lappet.  Best wishes to anyone who
wants to make it.  The picture looks clear enough to use as a pattern.
Alice in Oregon -- where the last snow was just thick rain and didn't stick. 
It was just a degree or two too warm.  However, we set a rainfall record
during that storm. If it had been snow, it would have been a real mess.


On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 10:15 AM, Adele Shaak 
wrote:


 Oh, Devon - what a good idea. I think we should all wear lappets.

Picture Venus & Serena Williams playing tennis with lappets streaming from
their hair. Women doctors in the operating room, lappets demurely tucked into
their scrubs. Women directing traffic, lappets peeking from underneath their
safety helmets. Ditto women on the construction site. Probably the men will
want to get in on the fun, too.

OK, I admit it. After far too much sleet and snow the sun has come out and
I’m feeling frisky.

Adele
West Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)


>  but if you were thinking of going
> about in impressive cap streamers, this will probably be a disappointment. 
😊
> Devon

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Re: [lace] lily lappet - pattern?

[Adele Shaak]

Oh, Devon - what a good idea. I think we should all wear lappets.

Picture Venus & Serena Williams playing tennis with lappets streaming from 
their hair. Women doctors in the operating room, lappets demurely tucked into 
their scrubs. Women directing traffic, lappets peeking from underneath their 
safety helmets. Ditto women on the construction site. Probably the men will 
want to get in on the fun, too. 

OK, I admit it. After far too much sleet and snow the sun has come out and I’m 
feeling frisky.

Adele
West Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)


>  but if you were thinking of going
> about in impressive cap streamers, this will probably be a disappointment.  
> Devon

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RE: [lace] lily lappet - pattern?

[devonthein]

Dear Sue,
Far be it for me to question any challenging lace project. But, I am a little
curious about why you need a lappet. Also, it seems to me that as lappets go,
this one does not really fit the bill because it is not long and, shall I say,
lappet shaped.
I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but if you were thinking of going
about in impressive cap streamers, this will probably be a disappointment. You
may have to use it as a purse ornament or something. 😊
Devon

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Re: [lace] lily lappet - pattern?

[Sue Babbs]

Yes, I was thinking of it more as a purse front or wall-hanging or some such
thing – not being likely to wear a lappet!The flowers are so prettily
designed – we’ll all just have to wait and see what it develops into.

I was assuming that Devonia planned that 2 would be made and attached to the
ends of a scarf to make the lappet.


Sue

suebabbs...@gmail.com

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Re: [lace] lily lappet - pattern?

[Sue Babbs]

Thank you all for your helpful comments.  Now I'm home and at a printer, 
I've been able to print it the photo off, and it comes out quite clearly. 
I've added it to my collection of lace to make at some point .  Grin!



Sue

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I spotted a lovely piece of lace on page 4 of the Honiton Lace book on 
“the professor’s site” 
https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/books/archive_032.pdf




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Re: [lace] Honiton books by Susanne Thompson

[Alex Stillwell]

Hi Jill

I did all the scanning for Susanne for her first book using my home scanner
and it was adequate for the job. I’m not sure where to access one of these
special scanners and cost and time are limiting and I do not see that there
should be a problem in destroying a single book if it means unlimited copies
will then be available.  I started my lacemaking learning from books and was
teaching lacemaking before Pam Nottingham’s was available, it was not easy
and, to me, the availability of information is more important than a single
copy.

Blow the dust

Alex



From: jill
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 6:40 PM
To: jeria...@aol.com ; lace@arachne.com ; alexstillw...@talktalk.net
Subject: Re: [lace] Honiton books by Susanne Thompson

>From my experience of working in a UK university library, there is definitely
a way to scan books without destroying/cutting up the original. It is down to
cost and whether the scanning facility has the capability of scanning a bound
book.

Jill

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