Re: [lace] Robber Barons - nitty gritty
Dear Tamara -- Try adding on a whole lot of brilliant artificial light, as the days grow shorter; that is a wellknown and usually effective remedy for SAD (Seasonal Affective Depression); and as for the head team and all that, try leaving a little space for those of us who disagree with you utterly about politics, by leaving the subject off Arachne where it doesn't belong. Aurelia Yours, digging ever deeper into depression, as the summer winds down, the days grow shorter and the country's head team continues to be as disgusting and treacherous as ever the commie system had been in my teens... Tamara - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Robber Barons
Since reading the other emails on this subject, I have to say I had know idea that Devon used 300 slides for her lecture and how much work and expense was involved in making this presentation. I can understand that copyright would be a problem with the IOLI having a set of the slides but if it was possible to get a set and have a script by Devon available, it would be a great addition to the programs that are available at present. Maybe IOLI could use some of their funding as it is for educational purposes. I know that we would miss the deadpan delivery that Devon would bring to such a performance. Failing that, how about an article in a future Bulletin. Janice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, the suggestion that I give a copy of the slide lecture to the IOLI with the images would create copyright problems in that the images are owned by the museum. Devon Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Robber Barons lecture
Annette Meldrum wrote: Devon, Your talk on the Robber Barons sounds very interesting? How about planning a holiday to Australia and while your hear give us this talk (LOL)? In the book, Chats on old lace there are some great references on this topic. Are you familiar with them? Is your talk published anywhere? If not can I encourage you to publish it so that a larger audience of lacemakers can have access? Annette Meldrum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wollongong, South Coast of NSW, Australia on a beautiful warm day and it is the Labour Day public holiday so I am home and able to enjoy the lovely weather. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The term Robber Barons I have found to be the name given to the American(USA) industrialists of the middle to late C19th. Their takeovers, by fair means and foul lead to the companies we now know as Shell, Esso, du Pont etc.; the large banks, now themselves taken over and the railways which are mainly gone. There was an excellent book written about them which came out in the late '50's. It made fascinating reading to anyone interested in history. Sheila in a cloudy Sawbo', couldn't see the eclipse. www.lace-helpandhistory.info - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Robber Barons
Perhaps the book that Sheila is referring to is The Robber Barons by Matthew Josephson. I was already familiar with the term, as perhaps people in the US are to a greater extent than people outside of the Robber Barons' stamping grounds. For the talk, I decided to read the book and it does make fascinating reading and is almost hilarious on the subject of the overbuilding of railroads that occurred due to competition between competing lines. Josephson was an excellent historian and the book is considered a classic. However, it is also a Period Piece in that Josephson was a communist. The book was written in the 1930's when a lot of American intellectuals were communists. He often contrasts the ridiculously wasteful development of the US with the much more sensible development of the USSR where a central government authority was building railroads according to a rational plan. As Annette points out, Chats has some nice quotes about this subject and I did use one in my talk. I was struck when I began working in the lace collection of the MMA to see that the names of the lace donors were already familiar to me from my college education that had included a lot of American history. They were all the same names that constituted the society of the Gilded Age which were also the names of the people who had made great fortunes in the post Civil War economy, ie the Robber Barons. Further investigation revealed that lace collecting was very popular with wealthy people in the US in the late 19th and early 20th century and that many of these wealthy individuals had belonged to a club, the Needle and Bobbin Club, based in New York. And, believe me, they had the money to buy the really good lace, much of which is now at the Metropolitan Museum of Art and the Cooper-Hewitt. I have spent a great deal of my adult life socializing with lace clubs, serving officerships in lace clubs, arranging functions for lace clubs and sometimes crying about things that have happened in lace clubs. This is regarded by friends and family as an inexplicable mania peculiar to myself. To discover that the richest and most privileged members of Gilded Age society had chosen to form themselves into a lace club and do exactly the same things I was doing had a certain validating effect that I found quite liberating. Also, focusing on four collectors gave me an opportunity to show close-up slides of their laces, which is, I think, what people really want to see. I don't have any immediate plans to visit Australia, but maybe I will write something someday. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Robber Barons
As I missed the talk that Devon gave at the Denver convention on the Robber Barons, may I suggest that she does write it down, and along with copies of the slides, gives it to the IOLI Library so that lace guilds can use it for their programs. I know that Devon writes in an intelligent, humorous way and I was sorry that I could not hear her presentation. This way my guild will have a program that might be more appealing than some of the slide presentations available today. Janice Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Robber Barons
Unfortunately, the suggestion that I give a copy of the slide lecture to the IOLI with the images would create copyright problems in that the images are owned by the museum. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yess, Anne M., Devon's talk and slide show was wonderful.She is a most entertaining speaker, with a vast knowledge. I was enthralled. Devon said I don't have any immediate plans to visit Australia --- Well, we Aussies better do something about that!!! (Eliminate the word Immediate - I will allow that!, but not the 'No Plans' part :)) ) Regards from Liz in Melbourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Robber Barons
Doesn't IOLI have a Grant Committee that could fund this? I think it would be a terrific idea. I would use it to share with our Guild. I did attend and thought it was a well planned and verbalized presentation. Lorri As I missed the talk that Devon gave at the Denver convention on the Robber Barons, may I suggest that she does write it down, and along with copies of the slides, gives it to the IOLI Library so that lace guilds can use it for their programs. I know that Devon writes in an intelligent, humorous way and I was sorry that I could not hear her presentation. This way my guild will have a program that might be more appealing than some of the slide presentations available today. Janice - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Don't some museums sell slide images of their pieces? Lorri Unfortunately, the suggestion that I give a copy of the slide lecture to the IOLI with the images would create copyright problems in that the images are owned by the museum. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Robber Barons - nitty gritty
On Oct 3, 2005, at 23:14, Lorri Ferguson wrote: Don't some museums sell slide images of their pieces? As far as Iknow, the Met doesn't sell slides - you have to make your own - but they'll allow you to make them, if you play nice. Depending on how the image will be used and who buys it, the charge varies - I paid (I think) ca $10 per photo (not slide) of the photos provided by the museum. These were quite large and very good (yet not good enough g) pics, and I had to swear they were for my personal use and I wasn't going to broadcast them to all and sundry. Any photo (nevermind slide) taken by the Met and allowed to be published tends to carry a price-hump on it high enough to make Shylock cross himself in awe. Devon's estimation is $300 for the 300 slides used in her lecture (and I don't know if it's something that burps every time she gives the lecture, or a one time payment, but suspect it's the first option) - a lot of the images there were ones that she and her DH took, not the ones the Met provided. And, of course, she had to pay twice even for the Met-provided ones; once for the image and once for translating it into a slide. It would be lovely - in some ways - if all vounteers could afford to hock their entire lives in the service of the public. It would be even nicer if the public - sometimes - stopped long enough in counting their rights (to free access to everything) and spare a thought for those who labour to provide the pleasure, without ever making a cent for themselves and rarely coming out even. Yours, digging ever deeper into depression, as the summer winds down, the days grow shorter and the country's head team continues to be as disgusting and treacherous as ever the commie system had been in my teens... -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Robber Barons lecture
Devon, Your talk on the Robber Barons sounds very interesting? How about planning a holiday to Australia and while your hear give us this talk (LOL)? In the book, Chats on old lace there are some great references on this topic. Are you familiar with them? Is your talk published anywhere? If not can I encourage you to publish it so that a larger audience of lacemakers can have access? Annette Meldrum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wollongong, South Coast of NSW, Australia on a beautiful warm day and it is the Labour Day public holiday so I am home and able to enjoy the lovely weather. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
