2011/8/8 Graeme Geldenhuys graemeg.li...@gmail.com:
On 8 August 2011 22:20, waldo kitty wrote:
numerous of your posts seem to be being duplicated into the list... i don't
I think it's a mailing list issue or something. Because I'm also
seeing lots of duplicate mails, but they seem to be from
On 08/08/2011 10:20 PM, waldo kitty wrote:
do you have any ideas why i might be seeing this duplication??
I also have duplicated mails in the folder for this forum.
The reason is:
The list server creates from original sender, to the list and cc
me (the recipient)
So you can't reply to
On 8/8/2011 17:08, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
On 8 August 2011 22:20, waldo kitty wrote:
numerous of your posts seem to be being duplicated into the list... i don't
I think it's a mailing list issue or something. Because I'm also
seeing lots of duplicate mails, but they seem to be from Michael
IMHO it's very humiliating for Borland/Embarcadero to use FPC as a compiler.
It's like Microsoft using Open Office to generate PDF from a DOCX file.
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On 08/09/2011 03:40 PM, Alexsander Rosa wrote:
IMHO it's very humiliating for Borland/Embarcadero to use FPC as a
compiler.
It's like Microsoft using Open Office to generate PDF from a DOCX file.
AFAIK, Microsoft did use Linux (or Unix) for their servers providing
Internet functions to the
On 08/08/2011 05:58 AM, Max Vlasov wrote:
Small correction, I think this was not a vision or partly a vision,
FireMonkey is mostly Eugeny Krukov's KSDev (http://www.ksdev.com/) bought by
Embarcadero several months ago. He already done all cross-platform stuff and
I knew that, but irrespective
On 7 August 2011 23:06, Graeme Geldenhuys graemeg.li...@gmail.com wrote:
What is Embarcadero bringing to the table in the XE2 release?
Executive Summary
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* 64-bit support (finally)
* FireMonkey – a scalable vector graphics based GUI framework
exploiting GPU
On 08/07/2011 10:57 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
Stop cloning VCL and rather innovate. Come up
with something better than VCL.
Now as Delphi switches to Firemonky as is cross-platform, it might be a
nice idea to offer a Firemonkey choice in Lazarus, as well.
-Michael
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On 08/07/2011 11:21 AM, Florian Klämpfl wrote:
This is simply not the goal of the LCL. There are other projects like
MSEgui and fpGUI (remember it ;)?) which have the goal to create
something different.
MSEGUI does not work with the Lazarus at all IDE and fpGUI needs
it's own external GUI
On 08/07/2011 10:57 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
Several reasons. but first, we did start out building a VCL for
Mac – but killed it because VCL is really designed for Windows.
Hmmm. AFAIK, LCL works fine for MAC and is greatly VCL compatible.
-Michael
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On 08/07/2011 01:18 PM, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote:
Maybe they killed it because they are not competent enought to port
the VCL to other operating systems.
see Kylix
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On 08/07/2011 08:25 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
Has anybody registered a Lazarus4FireMonkey project on SourceForge
yet. Let the cloning begin. ;-)
No chance for doing this in the svn ?
-Michael
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On 08/08/2011 02:25 PM, Michael Schnell wrote:
No chance for doing this in the svn ?
No, it's not compatible with VCL. ;-)
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Michael Schnell schrieb:
On 08/07/2011 10:57 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
Stop cloning VCL and rather innovate. Come up
with something better than VCL.
Now as Delphi switches to Firemonky as is cross-platform, it might be a
nice idea to offer a Firemonkey choice in Lazarus, as well.
A
On Mon, 8 Aug 2011, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
Michael Schnell schrieb:
On 08/07/2011 10:57 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
Stop cloning VCL and rather innovate. Come up
with something better than VCL.
Now as Delphi switches to Firemonky as is cross-platform, it might be a
nice idea to
On 08/08/2011 04:10 PM, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
OTOH it would be nice to use the Lazarus IDE with other libraries than
LCL. Hard to do, though, since many IDE windows have to be overridden
(OI, component palette, form designers, package installer...)
I use Lazarus IDE like that on a
On 08/08/2011 03:07 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
No chance for doing this in the svn ?
No, it's not compatible with VCL. ;-)
Of course I do know this.
In the end it's not compatible to the GUI part of the LCL, there are
lots of functions in the LCL that are not (necessarily) tied to the
On 08/08/2011 03:49 PM, Michael Schnell wrote:
Of course I do know this.
You missed my attempt at humour.
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On 08/08/2011 04:10 PM, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
When FireMonkey is different from the VCL, it's also different from
the LCL. Your choice would mean fpMonkey *instead* of Lazarus.
I meant using the Lazarus IDE as a tool for building a Firemonkey
application.
Of course the existing GUI
On 08/08/2011 03:55 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
You missed my attempt at humour.
Sorry for being a very dry person and not a native speaker ;)
But you offered the opportunity to me to publicly state that not
everything in the LCL is GUI. This obviously is one of my favorite troll
stuff.
i'm just using this thread as a start for this private notation since it is one
that seems to be affected...
numerous of your posts seem to be being duplicated into the list... i don't know
why or if other's posts are also being duplicated... i've noticed numerous ones
while i've been
On 08.08.2011 22:20, waldo kitty wrote:
i'm just using this thread as a start for this private notation since it
is one that seems to be affected...
numerous of your posts seem to be being duplicated into the list... i
don't know why or if other's posts are also being duplicated... i've
On 8 August 2011 22:20, waldo kitty wrote:
numerous of your posts seem to be being duplicated into the list... i don't
I think it's a mailing list issue or something. Because I'm also
seeing lots of duplicate mails, but they seem to be from Michael
Schnell only (as far as I have noticed).
I do
Hi,
As Jonas pointed out in the FPC-Devel mailing list. Embarcadero thinks
FPC is of high enough quality so they are using it to create there iOS
(ARM) products. This is apparently an intermediate step until they
build there own ARM compiler, but it's still good news for the FPC
team.
Am 07.08.2011 10:57, schrieb Graeme Geldenhuys:
There is hope though. Stop being so anal about must be VCL compatible
and nothing better. Stop cloning VCL and rather innovate. Come up
with something better than VCL.
This is simply not the goal of the LCL. There are other projects like
MSEgui
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys
graemeg.li...@gmail.com wrote:
no VCL in MACOS why?
Several reasons. but first, we did start out building a VCL for
Mac – but killed it because VCL is really designed for Windows.
Maybe they killed it because they are not competent enought
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
felipemonteiro.carva...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys
This confirms my thoughts I have had for a long time. VCL is just too
Windows centric and is NOT a good basis for cross-platform
On 7 August 2011 13:18, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote:
Maybe they killed it because they are not competent enought to port
the VCL to other operating systems.
Please tell me that was a joke. Do you really think with their vast
amounts of resources, developers and financial backing that
2011/8/7 Graeme Geldenhuys graemeg.li...@gmail.com:
On 7 August 2011 13:18, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote:
Maybe they killed it because they are not competent enought to port
the VCL to other operating systems.
Please tell me that was a joke. Do you really think with their vast
amounts
Am 07.08.2011 14:32, schrieb Graeme Geldenhuys:
Let history be a lesson too. What clone of a popular product is
currently a success today. NONE! Sybil - dead. CLX - dead. Mono - dead
Just count the number of dead, non-vcl compatible and largely unknown
gui libraries. At least I've one to
Vincent Snijders wrote:
2011/8/7 Graeme Geldenhuys graemeg.li...@gmail.com:
On 7 August 2011 13:18, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote:
Maybe they killed it because they are not competent enought to port
the VCL to other operating systems.
Please tell me that was a joke. Do you really think
On 7 August 2011 16:11, Florian Klaempfl wrote:
Imagine Mozilla Firefox simply
wanted to be a clone of IE.
This would have no advantage
It would have had, just not for the better. If Firefox simply cloned
IE, web designers would only have had to code for ONE broken browser
(ignoring HTML
Am 07.08.2011 17:46, schrieb Graeme Geldenhuys:
On 7 August 2011 16:11, Florian Klaempfl wrote:
Imagine Mozilla Firefox simply
wanted to be a clone of IE.
This would have no advantage
It would have had, just not for the better. If Firefox simply cloned
IE, web designers would only have
On 7 August 2011 18:18, Florian Klaempfl wrote:
From what I saw of FireMonkey so far (admitted little): I don't think
I found some YouTube videos demoing the Delphi Mac OSX support and
FireMonkey based apps.
gui concepts as mobiles or tablets require. So the situation is
different here and
On 8/7/11 2:25 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
[rant] Now Embarcadero p**sed me off even more. They have this WORLD
TOUR, demoing what's new in Delphi XE2. Yeah, world tour my ass. That
big continent in the middle of a world map - AFRICA - it's not part of
the world as far as Embarcadero is
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys
graemeg.li...@gmail.com wrote:
Please tell me that was a joke.
Unfortunately it isn't. Let's compare what was achieved in the last 10
years by these two companies:
* Borland/Embarcadero - In the last 10 years they started multiple
failled
On 7 August 2011 22:30, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote:
* Borland/Embarcadero - In the last 10 years they started multiple
failled products (Kylix, Delphi.NET), added 1 major feature to the VCL
(Unicode), bought a couple of other projects (Delphi for PHP) and
managed to reduce themselves
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 2:06 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys
graemeg.li...@gmail.comwrote:
Lots of things that are Windows specific it what stops it. EMB can't
change or remove those Windows features because that will break
thousands of existing Delphi programs. So what was EMB left with -
they had to
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys
graemeg.li...@gmail.com wrote:
No, it's because Qt was designed from the start and from the ground up
to be a cross-platform toolkit. That makes a huge difference. VCL was
designed for Win16 (and was inherited from TP for DOS), then molded to
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