On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 09:09:31AM -0700, Myles Wakeham wrote:
Marco wrote:
That leaves PHP. Which is good for small stuff, but I wouldn't like having
it write to mission critical databases. PHP is only used for small potatoe
and frontends. (leaving a service to do the real work).
Huh?
On 30 Mei 2010, at 23:09, Myles Wakeham wrote:
Huh? Ever heard of Facebook? Or SugarCRM? They are PHP apps.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HipHop_for_PHP
Even facebook developers know that native app will outperform scripting on any
cases. They ended up rewriting PHP RTL, extension, etc.
On Mon, 31 May 2010, Bee Jay wrote:
On 30 Mei 2010, at 23:09, Myles Wakeham wrote:
Huh? Ever heard of Facebook? Or SugarCRM? They are PHP apps.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HipHop_for_PHP
Even facebook developers know that native app will outperform scripting on any
cases. They ended
On 31 Mei 2010, at 15:32, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
Hah ! :-)
LOL :D You had never heard of it, haven't you? :P
Bee, you didn't just make my day, you made my week. Thanks a lot !! :-)
You're welcome.
Work on fcl-web will definitely continue with double effort :-)
Glad to hear that. Let's
On 30/05/2010, Dimitri Smits smi...@telenet.be wrote:
where everybody gets the idea that Delphi does not provide web frameworks, I
don't get. Websnap, other frameworks, standard Apache mod projecttypes
(templates) for 1.3, 2.0 and 2.2, CGI...
and that was just in D7 already!
No Linux
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 02:30:19AM +0200, Dimitri Smits wrote:
Yes, I've seen the code. fpWeb has a very tight dependency to other fcl
packages. Poor Delphi people. ;)
serve's'em right... what's that old saying? ya get what ya pay for? i think
getting a whole lot more for free is much
On Sun, 30 May 2010, Dimitri Smits wrote:
Waldo Kitty wrote:
On 5/28/2010 05:03, Bee Jay wrote:
On 27 Mei 2010, at 18:56, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
I don't think we will do this. It will require too many changes.
Yes, I've seen the code. fpWeb has a very tight dependency to other fcl
I know (Object) Pascal for 25 years. I solve problems in no time using
this language, because over 25 years my toolbox is well
stacked, and I continuously improve mysel.
Yes. Why start from scratch over and over again with new languages if it's possible to use a well known language?
--
On 30 Mei 2010, at 18:37, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
If I had to buy a new toolbox for every new problem, I would have been
bancrupt a long time ago.
Most non-developers people usually think that something that is sooo popular,
then it must be the best. Which is another fallacy, I suppose.
Marco wrote:
That leaves PHP. Which is good for small stuff, but I wouldn't like having
it write to mission critical databases. PHP is only used for small potatoe
and frontends. (leaving a service to do the real work).
Huh? Ever heard of Facebook? Or SugarCRM? They are PHP apps. And PHP
On 5/30/2010 06:33, Marco van de Voort wrote:
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 02:30:19AM +0200, Dimitri Smits wrote:
Java, silverlight.net on small hosting? Less than CGI?
Ruby is even more an white elephant. NEver saw a commercial hoster offer
RoR. (sure if I go to the Ruby site I find a few), but it
Dimitri Smits wrote:
Waldo Kitty wrote:
On 5/28/2010 05:03, Bee Jay wrote:
On 27 Mei 2010, at 18:56, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
I don't think we will do this. It will require too many changes.
Yes, I've seen the code. fpWeb has a very tight dependency to other fcl
packages. Poor Delphi
On 30 May 2010 18:09, Myles Wakeham wrote:
together, but please don't underestimate what PHP can (and has done) in web
development circles.
In the same breath: Don't underestimate what FPC can (and has done) in
web development circles. :)
Just because we don't brag (make noise or whatever
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 11:48:45AM -0400, waldo kitty wrote:
On 5/28/2010 05:03, Bee Jay wrote:
On 27 Mei 2010, at 18:56, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
I don't think we will do this. It will require too many changes.
Yes, I've seen the code. fpWeb has a very tight dependency to other fcl
Waldo Kitty wrote:
On 5/28/2010 05:03, Bee Jay wrote:
On 27 Mei 2010, at 18:56, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
I don't think we will do this. It will require too many changes.
Yes, I've seen the code. fpWeb has a very tight dependency to other fcl
packages. Poor Delphi people. ;)
serve's'em
On 30 Mei 2010, at 07:30, Dimitri Smits wrote:
and that was just in D7 already!
Does it support Linux? Kylix? What about 64 bit servers? :P
God (and Delphi 2010 buyers) know(s) what they have in there nowadays!
Are they using those tools? No? Why?
On the other hand, why anybody would want
On Thu, 2010-05-27 at 16:07 -0300, silvioprog wrote:
Em 27-05-2010 10:34, Marcos Douglas escreveu:
I agree but the Bee's thought it could make pascal more known to the
web developers it is right too.
if Delphi developers could use fpWeb on Delphi they would approach the
FPC as well.
Or
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 10:13:17AM +0200, Joost van der Sluis wrote:
I agree but the Bee's thought it could make pascal more known to the
web developers it is right too.
if Delphi developers could use fpWeb on Delphi they would approach the
FPC as well.
Or not. Who could guarantee
On 27 Mei 2010, at 18:56, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
I don't think we will do this. It will require too many changes.
Yes, I've seen the code. fpWeb has a very tight dependency to other fcl
packages. Poor Delphi people. ;)
-Bee-
--
___
Lazarus
On 5/28/2010 05:03, Bee Jay wrote:
On 27 Mei 2010, at 18:56, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
I don't think we will do this. It will require too many changes.
Yes, I've seen the code. fpWeb has a very tight dependency to other fcl
packages. Poor Delphi people. ;)
serve's'em right... what's that
Hi all,
I saw fpWeb has potential to be known as a good web framework for pascal
language. But, I also saw it's too heavily tighted with FPC infrastructure. Can
we make it more independend so it can also be used by Delphi? I think it could
make pascal more known to the web developers crowd out
On Thu, 27 May 2010, Bee Jay wrote:
Hi all,
I saw fpWeb has potential to be known as a good web framework for pascal
language. But, I also saw it's too heavily tighted with FPC
infrastructure. Can we make it more independend so it can also be used by
Delphi? I think it could make pascal
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Michael Van Canneyt
mich...@freepascal.org wrote:
On Thu, 27 May 2010, Bee Jay wrote:
Hi all,
I saw fpWeb has potential to be known as a good web framework for pascal
language. But, I also saw it's too heavily tighted with FPC
infrastructure. Can we make
El jue, 27-05-2010 a las 09:44 -0300, Marcos Douglas escribió:
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Michael Van Canneyt
mich...@freepascal.org wrote:
On Thu, 27 May 2010, Bee Jay wrote:
Hi all,
I saw fpWeb has potential to be known as a good web framework for pascal
language. But, I
2010/5/27 Leonardo M. l.r...@griensu.com:
Well, is not that sad, the code is in the repositories, anyone can adapt
it to Delphi, it just requires time and brain!.
But if the Michael Van Canneyt, developer of fpWeb, said require too
many changes I think it is not so easy do that.
Marcos
On 27 May 2010 13:56, Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
I don't think we will do this. It will require too many changes.
Plus, Delphi includes it's own web developer tools already. Adding
fpWeb will just be duplication of what they have and paid for.
--
Regards,
- Graeme -
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Bee Jay bee.ogra...@gmail.com wrote:
Can we make it more independend so it can also be used by Delphi? I think it
could make pascal more known to the web developers crowd out there.
Making an open source project's components easy for others to extract
and use
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Andrew Brunner
andrew.t.brun...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Bee Jay bee.ogra...@gmail.com wrote:
Can we make it more independend so it can also be used by Delphi? I think it
could make pascal more known to the web developers crowd out
I agree but the Bee's thought it could make pascal more known to the
web developers it is right too.
if Delphi developers could use fpWeb on Delphi they would approach the
FPC as well.
True. But the real boost will be in projects using FPC/Lazarus. Word
of mouth testimony from projects is
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 07:57:38AM -0500, Andrew Brunner wrote:
Can we make it more independend so it can also be used by Delphi? I think
it could make pascal more known to the web developers crowd out there.
Making an open source project's components easy for others to extract
and use on
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Andrew Brunner
andrew.t.brun...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree but the Bee's thought it could make pascal more known to the
web developers it is right too.
if Delphi developers could use fpWeb on Delphi they would approach the
FPC as well.
True. But the real
On Thu, 2010-05-27 at 10:34 -0300, Marcos Douglas wrote:
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Andrew Brunner
andrew.t.brun...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Bee Jay bee.ogra...@gmail.com wrote:
Can we make it more independend so it can also be used by Delphi? I think
it
On 27 May 2010 15:34, Marcos Douglas wrote:
if Delphi developers could use fpWeb on Delphi they would approach the
FPC as well.
Why? It it works in Delphi they don't need to switch from Delphi. :-/
FPC already tries its damnedest to be Delphi compatible - maybe it's
time Delphi tries to be
FPC already tries its damnedest to be Delphi compatible - maybe it's
time Delphi tries to be FPC compatible. Let them do the work for a
change.
A couple of things may have escaped the conversation...
As of the current shipping version of Delphi, its Windows only. Sure,
there is something in
On Thu, 27 May 2010, Myles Wakeham wrote:
FPC already tries its damnedest to be Delphi compatible - maybe it's
time Delphi tries to be FPC compatible. Let them do the work for a
change.
A couple of things may have escaped the conversation...
As of the current shipping version of Delphi,
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Michael Van Canneyt
mich...@freepascal.org wrote:
The issue is independent of Delphi/Free Pascal.
There is no solution for this using any compiled technology. Not even .NET
code will help you with this, if the hosting company only offers PHP.
For .NET is
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Marcos Douglas m...@delfire.net wrote:
For .NET is more easy found low cost servers... maybe because have a
VM with GC so, more security for the server.
I don't see how how it could be true. The largest brazilian web
hosting, Locaweb, offers CGI support for it's
El jue, 27-05-2010 a las 18:57 +0200, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
escribió:
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Marcos Douglas m...@delfire.net wrote:
For .NET is more easy found low cost servers... maybe because have a
VM with GC so, more security for the server.
I don't see how how it could
Em 27-05-2010 09:57, Andrew Brunner escreveu:
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Bee Jay bee.ogra...@gmail.com wrote:
Can we make it more independend so it can also be used by Delphi? I think it
could make pascal more known to the web developers crowd out there.
Making an open source
Em 27-05-2010 10:34, Marcos Douglas escreveu:
I agree but the Bee's thought it could make pascal more known to the
web developers it is right too.
if Delphi developers could use fpWeb on Delphi they would approach the
FPC as well.
Or not. Who could guarantee that the Embarcadero not copy and
Em 27-05-2010 10:54, Andrew Brunner escreveu:
I agree but the Bee's thought it could make pascal more known to the
web developers it is right too.
if Delphi developers could use fpWeb on Delphi they would approach the
FPC as well.
True. But the real boost will be in projects using
Em 27-05-2010 11:45, Joost van der Sluis escreveu:
No, they will still use Delphi, because the advantage of fpc (in this
case fpWeb) is gone, because Delphi also supports it.
Fpc is free, you can use it anywhere. I see no reason to support Delphi.
+1.
Joost.
--
Silvio Clecio
$ programmer
Em 27-05-2010 11:55, Graeme Geldenhuys escreveu:
On 27 May 2010 15:34, Marcos Douglas wrote:
if Delphi developers could use fpWeb on Delphi they would approach the
FPC as well.
Why? It it works in Delphi they don't need to switch from Delphi. :-/
FPC already tries its damnedest to be
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