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Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
SkyDiablo wrote:
Am 29.10.2012 15:53, schrieb Lukasz Sokol:
You produced an /executable/ ?
Then why not just do
./helloWorld4MIPS
in the dir where the binary is copied to ?
(yes, dot-slash is needed unless you have this directory added to PATH)
AFAIK, doing
sh
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Henry Vermaak wrote:
I built lazarus with fpc 2.7.1 for armhf this weekend. Why do you say
2.6.0 is needed?
Because of the feeling with which most developers insist that 2.6.0 is
the one true way :-)
OK, I'll try it for MIPS in a couple of days. I presume you
Sven Barth wrote:
On 25.10.2012 20:03, Bernd wrote:
2012/10/25 Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.laza...@telemetry.co.uk:
something else appeared to be messing up e.g. the IDE's ability to
store/access ~/.lazarus configuration settings: because of this lazbuild
wasn't able to build a trivial test
\fpcsrc\compiler\mipsel\pp.exe
and now ? what i have to do now ? how can i compile my hello-world
project for linux with a MIPS CPU ?
Have you checked the compiler you've built using the -i option? Have you
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which might be a better place to discuss things if you have problems
building the compiler.
Note that I'm a long way down the list as far as skill is concerned, and
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processor type, opcode formats and so on (just leave these
set to the default).
http://mantis.freepascal.org/view.php?id=20310
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you were using
Lazarus trunk.
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of incorporating
packaged extensions.
As with most if not all open source projects, if we don't like it we can
fork off. However my own position is that I trust the core developers,
who are effectively defined by their understanding of how the code works.
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alternative is to use MS runtimes in a VM on top of Linux.
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On 29-9-2012 17:17, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
zeljko wrote:
On Saturday 29 of September 2012 11:14:58 Ludo Brands wrote:
LPK.DLLLanguage PackMicrosoft Corporation5.01.2600.2180
MSVCR90.dllMicrosoft® C Runtime LibraryMicrosoft Corporation
it is
not available for Win32. Right click/Open File at Cursor opens it too as
expected. Should Find Declaration open it in the first place?
I submitted a patch which added Windows support about a year ago. Hasn't
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Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
On 2012-09-25 17:57, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
suggestion of looking at the VLC sources I see they use it which has to
be a recommendation.
Interesting... I was wondering what they did. :)
I'll see what I can work
in gtk2widgetset.inc, so there you can see howto get XWindow handle and do
whatever with it with direct calls.
Go on then: how do I temporarily defeat the screensaver?
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In case anybody isn't aware, there has been discussion of this in the
fpc-devel mailing list but it's now being encouraged to move to fpc-other.
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Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
On 2012-09-25 17:57, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
suggestion of looking at the VLC sources I see they use it which has to
be a recommendation.
Interesting... I was wondering what they did. :)
I'll see what I can work in, but particularly
even if the GUI's not being updated, is it possible to do
anything that the LCL and lower levels will interpret similarly to
keyboard and mouse activity in order to prevent a screen saver from
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Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
On 2012-09-25 11:01, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
interpret similarly to keyboard and mouse activity in order to prevent a
screen saver from kicking in?
Maybe download the VLC Player source code, and see what they do to
disable the screensaver while a video is playing. I
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
On 2012-09-25 11:55, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
stringgrid with an updating field on the screen, I've not yet tried e.g.
simulating a shiftkey event.
Another option. From the 'man xscreensaver-command' output.
-
-deactivate
This tells
Henry Vermaak wrote:
On 25/09/12 11:01, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
I appreciate that there might be no guaranteed portable answer to this
one, and FWIW I'm primarily interested in the Linux+X+KDE combination.
If a program knows that something's going on that it might later need to
tell the user
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
On 2012-09-25 17:57, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
suggestion of looking at the VLC sources I see they use it which has to
be a recommendation.
Interesting... I was wondering what they did. :)
I'll see what I can work in, but particularly allowing that
xdg-screensaver
about how best to expose this to programmers via the LCL.
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Bernd wrote:
2012/9/16 Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.laza...@telemetry.co.uk:
interesting question: can Lazarus+gdb be persuaded to trace into a
shared
library?
While developing the libpurpletorchat plugin (a libpurple plugin) I
did not notice any problems debugging
Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Martin wrote:
On 19/09/2012 15:04, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Martin wrote:
please do.
Though it may be a while till I process it. I am away this week.
No significant urgency from my POV, but it's something that I'm
looking at on an ongoing basis. Do you have
Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
I've developed a useful convention which allows me to either load a
library on demand (via Dynlibs) or to link it statically. This
combination allows me to use standard Lazarus debugging techniques to
sort out most problems.
However, yesterday's discussion about
ik wrote:
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Mark Morgan Lloyd
markmll.laza...@telemetry.co.uk wrote:
Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
I've developed a useful convention which allows me to either load a
library on demand (via Dynlibs) or to link it statically. This combination
allows me to use standard
Henry Vermaak wrote:
On 16/09/12 14:26, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
I've developed a useful convention which allows me to either load a
library on demand (via Dynlibs) or to link it statically. This
combination allows me to use standard Lazarus debugging techniques to
sort out most problems
Martin wrote:
On 19/09/2012 09:39, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
However, yesterday's discussion about calling /from/ a
dynamically-loaded library /into/ a program binary (other than the
main program) raises an interesting question: can Lazarus+gdb be
persuaded to trace
Martin wrote:
On 19/09/2012 14:01, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
apparently (on win it requires at least gdb 7.2 or 7.3 (not sure).
GDB can set the breakpoints before the lib is loaded, and gdb does
then set them on load. (NOT sure if you can use openlibrary).
It's on a long list of things
Martin wrote:
On 19/09/2012 15:04, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Martin wrote:
please do.
Though it may be a while till I process it. I am away this week.
No significant urgency from my POV, but it's something that I'm
looking at on an ongoing basis. Do you have a Linux development
machine
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
On 17/09/12 17:06, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
I sympathise with the OP though: the Lazarus IDE has facilities to
insert version information, so how can you get at that even if it means
Yeah, those options are pretty pointless on any platform - except Windows.
Let's
Mattias Gaertner wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 14:02:30 +0200Chavoux Luyt chav...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Leonardo On 17 September 2012 13:53, Leonardo M. Ramé l.r...@griensu.com wrote: On 2012-09-17 09:18:22 +, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Leonardo M. Ramé wrote:I've installed FPC 2.7.1
/should/
be in the scope of the xdg utilities, but appears not to be implemented.
Until then, the best that can be done is to rely on every program
implementing --version and --help.
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Leonardo M. Ramé wrote:
On 2012-09-18 09:36:02 +, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Mattias Gaertner wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 14:02:30 +0200Chavoux Luyt chav...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Leonardo On 17 September 2012 13:53, Leonardo M. Ramé l.r...@griensu.com wrote: On 2012-09-17 09:18:22 +
it was created at?
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for the record please: is this 64- or 32-bit? Also
assuming FPC and Lazarus both trunk, what revision numbers?
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And for that matter, how can one merge svn information into it? :-)
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program) raises an interesting question: can Lazarus+gdb be persuaded to
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alltogether would be better.
Although the unexpurgated original will remain visible at archive.org,
unless the wiki manager adds a don't index file which (when I last
looked at this) they obey as soon as they see it.
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is, of course, a different question. And whether
there's a methodology which would allow a hybrid program/library to be
useful (e.g. by having the program entry point test the functionality of
the library entry points) is another.
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as DLL. That's
the reason why there is a program called rundll32 ;) [though it
expects an exported function with a certain signature...]
Thanks for that, interesting and potentially useful. Can you comment on
the situation for ELF-based OSes such as Linux?
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Juha Manninen wrote:
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Mark Morgan Lloyd
markmll.laza...@telemetry.co.uk wrote:
I'm definitely passing strings between a .so and main program, both written
using Lazarus. So e.g. a frontend program can call these from the backend:
Maybe my knowledge
.
Hypothetical case in which this sort of thing could be useful: if run as
a program the library outputs a .inc or .h file describing its exports.
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Sven Barth wrote:
On 15.09.2012 12:36, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Sven Barth wrote:
/Why/ can't a library be run standalone? We're already at the position
that an executable can decide whether it's been invoked from a shell or
the GUI and behave as appropriate, so why can't it decide whether
Sven Barth wrote:
On 15.09.2012 13:12, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Sven Barth wrote:
On 15.09.2012 12:36, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Sven Barth wrote:
/Why/ can't a library be run standalone? We're already at the
position
that an executable can decide whether it's been invoked from a
shell
Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
I have now checked ReactOS' code: if you load an exe that is not the
main executable then the entry point won't be called at all. So it
seems that you can load such executables and call functions from them,
but in the case of FPC you might be screwed (or at least very
as a program, i.e. can be invoked in such a
way as to test its own basic functionality.
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/MartianTime.zip
Is that the time zone on Earth or on Mars? :-) There was discussion
recently on getting uncorrected UTC time which concluded that it was
much easier on unix than on Windows, in practice I usually delegate as
much as possible to a backend database.
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Juha Manninen wrote:
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Mark Morgan Lloyd
markmll.laza...@telemetry.co.uk wrote:
Couldn't this be specified as the Launching application parameter?
Actually it is defined in Run - Run Parameters ... - Host application
I was thinking about the case where some
of stuff defined by
the architecture and stuff changing every nSec. I'm no registry fan, but
at least it tries to keep things separate.
I wonder whether POSIX has anything instructive to say about this sort
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Juha Manninen wrote:
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Mark Morgan Lloyd
markmll.laza...@telemetry.co.uk wrote:
No, I was wondering about the extent to which a library could be defined
such that it was also runnable as a program.
A library cannot be run alone.
However there 2 kinds
) That (at least in the case of Linux) the /proc filesystem is available.
I think that it's probably more portable to go straight to the values
available in /proc, if you can't read them then it's unlikely that ps
would show you much more.
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that there's a POSIX-compliant capabilities library on top
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On 13/09/12 08:42, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
i) That the ps binary is available.
So be fair, I don't think I have ever come across a Linux distro that
doesn't include the ps binary as standard. And I have used Linux since
1996. Even *BSD and *Solaris include the ps
', mtError, [mbOK], 0);
I guess that solution 2 is the best as it asks immediately the kernel.
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On 13/09/12 10:08, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Yes, but the ps parameters vary. I'm using this stuff in my FPC build
script on Linux and Solaris.
Yes, they vary between Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD, but as far as I know,
the do not vary between Linux distros
graph, tracking e.g. which revisions of Lazarus trunk are known to
compile and work with which revisions of FPC 2.x.1?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Island_of_Stability.svg
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?
[Sigh] /proc is a special filesystem which the kernel uses to expose
information about each process. Apart from the fact that it is mounted
into the standard filesystem namespace, it has absolutely nothing to do
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Kaj Mikkelsen wrote:
Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Wrong. I've got a terminal session connected to a Solaris 10 system on my
desk at the moment (because I'm trying to debug some LOM issues), and /proc
is fine. However, it's worth remembering that non-Linux implementations tend
to have less
Jürgen Hestermann wrote:
Am 2012-09-13 17:33, schrieb Mark Morgan Lloyd:
[Sigh] /proc is a special filesystem which the kernel uses to expose
information about each process. Apart from the fact that it is mounted
into the standard filesystem namespace, it has absolutely nothing to
do
to curiosities like Helios.
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Marco van de Voort wrote:
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 09:08:19AM +, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
So be fair, I don't think I have ever come across a Linux distro that
doesn't include the ps binary as standard. And I have used Linux since
1996. Even *BSD and *Solaris include the ps binary
event, having to know exactly what revision of FPC to use
for/with Lazarus is a problem, and the potential of having (temporarily)
broken Lazarus revisions is a bigger one.
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Mattias Gaertner wrote:
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Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.laza...@telemetry.co.uk wrote:
Plus others in fpc-devel. What we need is a I've just committed
something to svn trunk which breaks it for 2.6.x, normal service will be
resumed shortly button.
That would
, normal service will be
resumed shortly button.
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:-) Wasn't there something in PL/1 that allowed a skewed slice of a 2-D
array to be passed as a 1-D parameter?
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patspiper wrote:
What exactly is Compiler Options: Apply conventions? It is not
documented in
http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/IDE_Window:_Compiler_Options.
Affects things like e.g. 'lib' being applied as a prefix to a unix
shared library.
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the facility was added for Lazarus to store desktop settings
in a .lps file rather than the .lpi file. The .lps file shouldn't (as I
understand it) be in svn.
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only wonder how people will pronounce it. Here 'R' pronounces like
in Spanish (caRamba) and 'RR' is double as strong.
The name can be changed if people don't like it.
English has no problem with that, in fact it explains Long John Silver's
Aarre, Jim lad :-)
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-8-
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.openindiana.general/9206
I could do with revisiting the Wiki page now that we're at 2.6.0 + 1.0,
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page. The subject was
how to report help problems. So I fail to grab the sense of this comment.
Besides which, the original query was about 'result' which is definitely
not a basic type, and we've already seen it causing a less-experienced
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to allow for using these lStrings with the
syntax we know for String and additionally allow for Object-Syntax for
these strings.
Which was what I was assuming in my What is a string query in fpc-devel.
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it been like
this? Does it hurt when you cough?
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of the files to be deleted in one of the other
mailing lists a few days ago, but I can't easily find it. In general I
just delete the relevant directory from (e.g.) /usr/local/lib/fpc, and
then look for any dangling symlinks in (e.g.) /usr/local/bin and check
(e.g.) /etc/fpc.cfg.
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Krzysztof wrote:
Hmm seems that my last post to this discussion does not reached.
So after reinstall FPC, everything works fine
Trunk definitely needs a recent 2.7.1. RC1 and RC2 OK on 2.6.0 (i.e.
current stable FPC) as expected.
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, it's 2.6.10: this has been a property of version
control systems since the days of yore. For even murkier history, see
http://www.udanax.com/green/febe/tumblers.html
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a lot of attack from
to-be-previous-Delphi-users (assuming they finally look at Lazarus/FPC
instead of moving to other dev platforms).
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a glass /in/ /absentia/ to the developers of some of the
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Mattias mentions) for information.
But something custom-written for today is probably needed too.
Yes, urgently. Starting off with a *concise* URL for Mattias's
announcement, without any forum comments or whatever tacked on.
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When starting Lazarus from a shell on Linux (x86 etc.) or Solaris, I'm
still seeing a large amount of console output. Is this an intended
feature, or is there a build-time option I should be using to reduce the
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with it.
Recently I switched to a decent email client though - Gmail with it's
flat conversation view design is very annoying too.
I admit that I was wondering if you'd changed. I'm seeing far less of
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Mattias Gaertner wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 08:57:57 +
Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.laza...@telemetry.co.uk wrote:
When starting Lazarus from a shell on Linux (x86 etc.) or Solaris, I'm
still seeing a large amount of console output. Is this an intended
feature, or is there a build-time
Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Apologies in advance: these are rather stream-of-consciousness and might
be a couple of days out of date due to the slowness of some of my
development systems. Generally based on 38257 with FPC 2.6.0.
I've expressed various niggles with lhelp in another thread and won't
Reinier Olislagers wrote:
On 24-8-2012 13:12, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
I've only just picked up that building LCL documentation fails on
big-endian systems: SPARC Linux/Solaris and PPC Linux. It leaves a
zero-length .chm.
I don't yet have any useful exception info
ID ...
unknown warning message every few hours. I don't think the system's
thrashing, but I don't know Solaris well enough to get detailed info.
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this on x86 or ARM (Linux, not testing Windows). Seeing it
on PPC but not ARM suggests that it's an endianness rather than
alignment issue. I'm not yet able to test on SPARC Solaris due to the
slowness of fpdoc on that combination.
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Mattias Gaertner wrote:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:59:26 +
Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.laza...@telemetry.co.uk wrote:
On Linux running on either SPARC or PPC, trying to invoke
context-sensitive help (i.e. F1 key over a keyword) fails with a
dialogue e.g. Unknown error showing
/forms
Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Mattias Gaertner wrote:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:59:26 +
Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.laza...@telemetry.co.uk wrote:
On Linux running on either SPARC or PPC, trying to invoke
context-sensitive help (i.e. F1 key over a keyword) fails with a
dialogue e.g. Unknown error
Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
If anybody has access to an x86-64 Solaris system, please could they do
a test build of Lazarus and then test the documentation build using make
chmdocs etc.
On SPARC Solaris 10, Lazarus builds promptly. However the documentation
build has been running for almost
Mattias Gaertner wrote:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:40:22 +
Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.laza...@telemetry.co.uk wrote:
Mattias Gaertner wrote:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:59:26 +
Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.laza...@telemetry.co.uk wrote:
On Linux running on either SPARC or PPC, trying to invoke
10: build of Lazarus+LCL OK, subsequent operation OK.
Build of documentation was unreasonably slow (more than two days).
Invoking context-sensitive help raises an exception in lhelp but not in
the IDE.
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