Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
2015-06-15 14:31 GMT+02:00 Graeme Geldenhuys: How is that going to look under OSX where tabs are very different (read as butt ugly and rubbish) compared to other platforms? You can check this. :) First version with Sparta Basic (docked design form and IDE changes) :D is available at: http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/branches/free-sparta http://svn.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/branches/free-sparta/?root=lazarus Best regards, Maciej Izak -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys mailingli...@geldenhuys.co.uk wrote: How is that going to look under OSX where tabs are very different (read as butt ugly and rubbish) compared to other platforms? Good question. Has somebody tried CodeTyphon or KZDesktop in a Mac? Those systems have similar tabs. Otherwise we can have few weeks pause before implementing this feature. Balázs is having holidays, Maciej can fine-tune his changes, I also have many other things to do. We are not in a hurry really. I am quite confident we get this feature into Lazarus during July. I still hope there will be one version of the code accepted by all parties instead of competing versions. Juha -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
On 2015-06-14 00:07, Juha Manninen wrote: The PageControl may be easy to implement and would allow selecting the source editor / form designer with mouse, and also give visual hint How is that going to look under OSX where tabs are very different (read as butt ugly and rubbish) compared to other platforms? Regards, - Graeme - -- fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/ -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
If you can, please verify concepts. If my idea is correct then I can make easier to use patch (more compilable). Just I do not want to do unnecessary work. Regards, Maciej Izak -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
2015-06-12 18:40 GMT+02:00 Balazs Szekely balazsszek...@yahoo.com: I have a question, though: I read on your site that FreeSparta only works on Windows. It would be difficult to make it Linux/OSX compatible? We need a docking system that is functional on every widgetset. The latest CT implementation works on every platform(ok, it has some issues on OSX, but it can be fixed). I'm sorry for late reply, your message was categorized as spam. :\ The root of CT solution and Sparta solution is inspired by kzdesktop. I don't have code, related for windows platform directly. I use only LCL, and I fixed small bugs in parts of Lazarus for Windows platform ( for example OverlayWindowProc in https://github.com/dathox/freesparta/blob/master/lazarus_sparta_patch/lcl/interfaces/win32/win32callback.inc ). FreeSparta is avaible for Windows platform because I only use windows for my daily work. It's very hard to release big (commercial) project for many platforms. FreeSparta should work in any platform supported by Lazarus with small changes. Inside project I use only LCL without windows directly related stuff. The main difference between Sparta and Typhon implementation : 1. Docked form scrolling 2. Docked form position THE MOST IMPORTANT DETAILS :) In Sparta all is done by overriding published properties related to scrolling and related to form position. In CT it is achived by blocking messages in WindowProc. What is better solution ? I don't know :) -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
Balázs, instead of a hidden Panel could there be a nested PageControl with tabs at the bottom? In fact this idea is from Martin, otherwise I got no feedback. The panel versus PageControl difference is not fundamental which means the design is basically ok and you have green light to implement it. The PageControl may be easy to implement and would allow selecting the source editor / form designer with mouse, and also give visual hint about such possibility. Maciej, If I interpret your mails right, it was more about the API and not about embedding the form designer. The API can be improved anyway later and we can now go ahead with the form designer thing. Is this correct? Juha -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
2015-06-14 1:07 GMT+02:00 Juha Manninen juha.mannine...@gmail.com: Balázs, instead of a hidden Panel could there be a nested PageControl with tabs at the bottom? In fact this idea is from Martin, otherwise I got no feedback. The panel versus PageControl difference is not fundamental which means the design is basically ok and you have green light to implement it. The PageControl may be easy to implement and would allow selecting the source editor / form designer with mouse, and also give visual hint about such possibility. Btw. In FreeSparta I already use PageControl. To get working plugable PageControl (with pages Code/Desig/Or even History) only few changes in sourceeditor.pp is required: all small changes are marked as simple comment // DaThoX some bigger changes are marked as // DaThoX begin more lines of modified code here // DaThoX end https://github.com/dathox/freesparta/blob/master/lazarus_sparta_patch/ide/sourceeditor.pp Maciej, If I interpret your mails right, it was more about the API and not about embedding the form designer. The API can be improved anyway later and we can now go ahead with the form designer thing. Is this correct? Maybe a little explanation. In FreeSparta you can find: 1. Non-invasive changes in Lazarus (the smallest). 2. what is possible, from point 1, it is added to the IdeIntf. 3. all the magic happens in the package ( https://github.com/dathox/freesparta/tree/master/1_spartaBasic). In contrast to Typhon code, the code of docked forms, can be completely uninstalled as a simple package. 4. everything is designed for the creation of ToolsAPI. Few technical details from Typhon should be moved into FreeSparta (holding form position and scrolling) for better multiplatform Docked Form. CodeTyphon docked form solution is copied (modified and fixed) from kzdesktop project... btw. I need to exclude dependencies from BGRAControls in few places. best regards, Maciej Izak -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
2015-06-13 10:31 GMT+02:00 Juha Manninen juha.mannine...@gmail.com: So we need the improved toolAPI before the embedded dockable form designer? IMO ToolsAPI should be only proxy for improved/extended IdeIntf. On the other hand I don't see why the dockable form designer would need Generics.Collections. Maybe not directly dockable form but tools/modules around (generally I need fast generic hash maps). Generics already work somehow in FPC 2.6.4, I have used the fgl unit myself in Lazarus code. fgl don't contains HashMap and is not automated/and simple in use like Generics.* for any kind of type. This is all very abstract. Now I try to figure out what is the best design for the dockable form designer. Balázs already has working code. If your solution is used, is it in addition to his code or does it replace it? Both. It depends of code part. Interesting thing: FreeSparta Docked Form installed in modified CodeTyphon works well with CodeTyphon Docked Form... http://i.imgur.com/7gd36LL.jpg In any case we need a patch and a more detailed explanation of what it does! The question remains: can you participate in practical level? Give me 24 hours, I'll do better patch. I can participate in practical level :). Best regards, Maciej Izak -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 3:13 AM, Maciej Izak hnb.c...@gmail.com wrote: With properly implementing a system of Docked Form, we can create a very compatible ToolsAPI. So we need the improved toolAPI before the embedded dockable form designer? Can we include in some way Generics.Collections in to Lazarus...? Generics.Collections can work with incoming FPC 3.0. Yes, it can be included inside IFDEFs in Lazarus trunk if really needed. FPC 2.6.4 must be also supported for some time even when FPC 3.0 is out. On the other hand I don't see why the dockable form designer would need Generics.Collections. Generics already work somehow in FPC 2.6.4, I have used the fgl unit myself in Lazarus code. It will be easier for me now (I changed my job and again I program in Pascal :) ). Maybe in the beginning I will gather some key elements in the diagram (I need for this 2-3 days). I wonder whether I should override metaclass like TForm, TFrame and TDataModule to achieve many effects in FreeSparta project. This is one of the most controversial things in Sparta (and key things). This is all very abstract. Now I try to figure out what is the best design for the dockable form designer. Balázs already has working code. If your solution is used, is it in addition to his code or does it replace it? In any case we need a patch and a more detailed explanation of what it does! The question remains: can you participate in practical level? I still did not get feedback from other Lazarus developers about the design. That is another open issue. Juha -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
Am 12.06.2015 um 18:15 schrieb Juha Manninen: On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Maciej Izak hnb.c...@gmail.com wrote: IMO the best option for Lazarus is synergy of solution from CodeTyphon (the way of handling docked form in many platforms) and FreeSparta (elastic interfaces, it handles many usefull events like: Sounds good but how much are you willing to help with it? I have now time for Lazarus development but I don't know where to look for your docking code or elastic interfaces. We need a patch against Lazarus trunk. Two problems with docking: 1) Delphi-docking is not well supported, else the IDE DockManager could be used. 2) The IDE has much code for window placement, all over, instead of a common window layout manager. [1] Could be fixed, but the required patches (of Controls.pas) are rejected by the Lazarus team. for too many changes at a time :-( [2] I tried to replace the many window placement calls in the IDE by a better window management, but finally gave up. The IDE window managers are quite useless, except for the existing inflexible solution. Most probably patches will be rejected with the same rationale. IMO a general layout manager interface would be nice, where Delphi-docking, AnchorDocking or any other layout manager could be hooked in. But it looks like impossible to remove AnchorDocking from Controls, it's too much interwoven with AutoSize and other basic control methods, and will cause conflicts with any other layout manager. That's why I stopped working on Lazarus a long time ago :-( DoDi -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Hans-Peter Diettrich drdiettri...@gmx.de wrote: Two problems with docking: 1) Delphi-docking is not well supported, else the IDE DockManager could be used. 2) The IDE has much code for window placement, all over, instead of a common window layout manager. A docking API is a good idea. I think Maciej had similar idea with his ToolsAPI thing. Dodi, I remember you patches were rejected because they did not work. They were more like shooting around blindly. The current code has one big benefit: it works. The problem scope is complex and a good API may not be an easy task. Juha -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
Am 13.06.2015 um 11:41 schrieb Juha Manninen: On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Hans-Peter Diettrich drdiettri...@gmx.de wrote: Two problems with docking: 1) Delphi-docking is not well supported, else the IDE DockManager could be used. 2) The IDE has much code for window placement, all over, instead of a common window layout manager. A docking API is a good idea. I think Maciej had similar idea with his ToolsAPI thing. Docking is only one special method for adding, removing or rearranging components. The basic API will arrange, measure and resize child components, according to its own rules, when told to do so. See the Java layout managers, which can be selected independently into any container control. It should not be hard to work out an according API, the problem is to make e.g. AnchorDocking work as such a selectable layout manager. Dodi, I remember you patches were rejected because they did not work. Perhaps the patches were already outdated when supplied, but they worked on my system. Who can tell which concurrent changes will affect some code, unless the functional responsibilities and interaction of parts of the affected code is well defined? They were more like shooting around blindly. They may *look* so, in detail the IDE patches, but how would you start adding an manager to previously unorganized code? DoDi -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
Hello, I received this mail. Cheers Norbert On 12/06/15 08:04, Sandro Cumerlato wrote: Hello Balázs, unfortunately this mail has been marked as SPAM by gmail. Are you registered to the mailing list? Do other members have received the message? Docking IDE is an important milestone IMHO. Please Lazarus developers go ahead. Sandro Cumerlato On 11 Jun 2015 13:17, Balazs Szekely balazsszek...@yahoo.com mailto:balazsszek...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi all, I would like to see the docked form feature implemented, because lot of people complaining about the IDE not being modern. Personally I prefer the old non-docked version, but I do understand those, especially younger guys, who are used to more modern IDE's(Visual Studio/Eclipse//Delphi 2007+). Today I ported back the docking system from CT. According to (L)GPL license we are allowed to do so. The good part is, the embedded design is optional. The old undocked version is the default, it can be changed from Options/Desktop frame. I attach a patch, which was created against the latest trunk r49313. Can you please test it? Is this a good docking solution? If not why? I tested under Win32/64, GTK2, QT. PS: Please read Readme.txt first. Thank you, Balázs -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org mailto:Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
the alternative details Should be: the alternative designs -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
2015-06-12 8:53 GMT+02:00 Ondrej Pokorny laza...@kluug.net: Hello Sandro, this seems to be a problem with (your) gmail spam filter. Ondrej On 12.06.2015 08:04, Sandro Cumerlato wrote: Hello Balázs, unfortunately this mail has been marked as SPAM by gmail. Are you registered to the mailing list? Do other members have received the message? I use the GMail web interface too and I often have this spam issue with mails coming from yahoo (among others). I solved the issue by entering a filter in the GMail web interface telling it never to consider as spam mails with - list:fpc-pascal.lists.freepascal.org - list:lazarus.lists.lazarus.freepascal.org - list:fpc-devel.lists.freepascal.org -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel libre » - http://www.april.org -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
On 2015-06-12 07:04, Sandro Cumerlato wrote: unfortunately this mail has been marked as SPAM by gmail. I don't use Gmail any more for the mailing lists. Balazs's email came through fine to my mail server without any warnings. Regards, - Graeme - -- fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/ -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
Hello Balázs, unfortunately this mail has been marked as SPAM by gmail. Are you registered to the mailing list? Do other members have received the message? Docking IDE is an important milestone IMHO. Please Lazarus developers go ahead. Sandro Cumerlato On 11 Jun 2015 13:17, Balazs Szekely balazsszek...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi all, I would like to see the docked form feature implemented, because lot of people complaining about the IDE not being modern. Personally I prefer the old non-docked version, but I do understand those, especially younger guys, who are used to more modern IDE's(Visual Studio/Eclipse//Delphi 2007+). Today I ported back the docking system from CT. According to (L)GPL license we are allowed to do so. The good part is, the embedded design is optional. The old undocked version is the default, it can be changed from Options/Desktop frame. I attach a patch, which was created against the latest trunk r49313. Can you please test it? Is this a good docking solution? If not why? I tested under Win32/64, GTK2, QT. PS: Please read Readme.txt first. Thank you, Balázs -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
Hello Sandro, this seems to be a problem with (your) gmail spam filter. Ondrej On 12.06.2015 08:04, Sandro Cumerlato wrote: Hello Balázs, unfortunately this mail has been marked as SPAM by gmail. Are you registered to the mailing list? Do other members have received the message? Docking IDE is an important milestone IMHO. Please Lazarus developers go ahead. Sandro Cumerlato On 11 Jun 2015 13:17, Balazs Szekely balazsszek...@yahoo.com mailto:balazsszek...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi all, I would like to see the docked form feature implemented, because lot of people complaining about the IDE not being modern. Personally I prefer the old non-docked version, but I do understand those, especially younger guys, who are used to more modern IDE's(Visual Studio/Eclipse//Delphi 2007+). Today I ported back the docking system from CT. According to (L)GPL license we are allowed to do so. The good part is, the embedded design is optional. The old undocked version is the default, it can be changed from Options/Desktop frame. I attach a patch, which was created against the latest trunk r49313. Can you please test it? Is this a good docking solution? If not why? I tested under Win32/64, GTK2, QT. PS: Please read Readme.txt first. Thank you, Balázs -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org mailto:Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Ondrej Pokorny laza...@kluug.net wrote: this seems to be a problem with (your) gmail spam filter. The same happened to me and (I guess) all gmail users. We communicated with Balázs (GetMem) using forum PMs. He has now switched from the problematic Yahoo address to a gmail address, subscribed with it and sent a new message but I don't see it anywhere. http://s1269.photobucket.com/user/balazsszekely/media/mail_zps7y5f7gdm.png.html Marc and Vincent, can some IP addresses be filtered? This one is in Romania. I wanted to get other developers' opinion about the design of this embedded form editor. It would be important to get Balázs into the discussion. His current version is mostly copied from CodeTyphon, however he ended up with a similar solution already before downloading CodeTyphon. It means this may be the most obvious design. I remember mentioned years ago that a docked form editor for AnchorDocking is not implemented in Lazarus yet because it needs proper design and many changes, and thus the CodeTyphon solution was not good enough. I don't know any details of that. I don't know what are the alternative details either. Juha -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
IMO the best option for Lazarus is synergy of solution from CodeTyphon (the way of handling docked form in many platforms) and FreeSparta (elastic interfaces, it handles many usefull events like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FOjWCLDScQt=264 additionaly freesparta allow us to create decorations around forms like in Delphi for example for Android/iPhone: http://www.embarcadero.com/images/products/delphi/iPhone_IDE785x600.jpg best regards, Maciej Izak -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: I use the GMail web interface too and I often have this spam issue with mails coming from yahoo (among others). I solved the issue by entering a filter in the GMail web interface telling it never to consider as spam mails with list:fpc-pascal.lists.freepascal.org list:lazarus.lists.lazarus.freepascal.org list:fpc-devel.lists.freepascal.org I didn't know about this setting. Now I have configured it, too. Thanks. I can see there are many mails from Yahoo in the spam folder. Anyway, it means Balázs can use either Yahoo or GMail account here. Maybe the new GMail account needs some confirmation period before it gets activated. Juha -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
12 cze 2015 10:31 Juha Manninen juha.mannine...@gmail.com napisał(a): I remember mentioned years ago that a docked form editor for AnchorDocking is not implemented in Lazarus yet because it needs proper design and many changes, and thus the CodeTyphon solution was not good enough. I don't know any details of that. I don't know what are the alternative details either. Juha An alternative implementation exists in freesparta, compatible with AnchorDocking and is flexible. It needs a little work but would allow anchoring to different docking plug-ins ... Now I am not able to do anything. Lack of Generics.Collections as part of FPC RTL is blocking me for futher work. Status o Generics.Collections is unclear. Sven is not really happy with interface hacks in library but I don't see any alternative... Anyway the system is designed to allow additional cards to create like history (without using Generics.Collections :) ). If someone had helped me more then I would be able to implement compatible ToolsAPI.pas with Delphi... That means Delphi plugins pluggable with Lazarus with small changes :). (if considered the introduction of https://github.com/dathox/freesparta/tree/master/lazarus_sparta_patch/components/ideintf especially TTabDisplayState TLazarusIDEHandlerType TIDETabMaster https://github.com/dathox/freesparta/blob/master/lazarus_sparta_patch/components/ideintf/lazideintf.pas ) Best regards, Maciej Izak -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
Waldo Kitty, Kovács László, thank you for your feedback. It's highly appreciated! From: waldo kitty wkitt...@windstream.net To: lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form On 06/12/2015 02:49 AM, Balazs Szekely wrote: Hi Sandro, Thank you for forwarding my mail. Yes, I'm registered to the mailing list and I do not understand why my mails end up in spam. Usually I'm able to reply to other peoples mails, but sending new one always fail. your first post with the attachment came here just fine... no spam notice and it wasn't hidden in any of my spam folders on any of my accounts i have subscribed... -- NOTE: No off-list assistance is given without prior approval. Please *keep mailing list traffic on the list* unless private contact is specifically requested and granted. -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
On 2015-06-12 18:55, Juha Manninen wrote: All parts of it were made free a while ago : Nice for Lazarus I guess, but I always feel sad when business ventures around open source projects don't pan out. Maciej seems to have done an amazing job with FreeSparta - extended Lazarus well beyond what I have seen done before. Regards, - Graeme - -- fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/ -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
As Graeme said its first time I heard about FreeSparta and its really great! wish I saw it sooner but if it will be merged with Lazarus it will be great for Lazarus and us. Anyway thank you for the effort. Regards, Ara -- http://www.fastmail.com - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
2015-06-12 22:28 GMT+02:00 Graeme Geldenhuys mailingli...@geldenhuys.co.uk : Nice for Lazarus I guess, but I always feel sad when business ventures around open source projects don't pan out. I still have a few business ideas :) but not alone... Maciej seems to have done an amazing job with FreeSparta - extended Lazarus well beyond what I have seen done before. I do not agree! Lazarus is amazing :). Without excellent IdeInft package FreeSpart is nothing worth. best regards, Maciej Izak -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
2015-06-12 18:15 GMT+02:00 Juha Manninen juha.mannine...@gmail.com: Sounds good but how much are you willing to help with it? I have now time for Lazarus development but I don't know where to look for your docking code or elastic interfaces. We need a patch against Lazarus trunk. Can you promise to provide a patch and then work with me and Balázs to get the feature ready? Balázs is already thinking of improvements for his code. I think we must soon decide how to proceed exactly. Maciej, you can also use your private branch for Lazarus instead of sending patches: http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/branches/free-sparta/ We still have not seen commits there. Why? I needed a break to regenerate. It was very hard for me. The idea of FreeSparta was much bigger (Project inspector like in Delphi + out of box Android/iOS with designer like in Delphi + ToolsAPI and many more) :\ I have done the smallest version of FreeSparta project. Working on the Generics.* library and working on some extensions for FPC RTL / Compiler bugs and working on Lazarus extensions/few bugfix and new packages - It took me two years (in all my free time). Too much work for one person. :) The branch was provided to make committing your code as easy as possible. Before that you had provided a patch with 30 lines which was rather a joke. Yes, you are right I need to fix that patch :\. My bad. As mentioned above - I needed a break to regenerate. I am willing to help with the ToolsAPI. When did you ask for help? Maybe I missed it. For sure you did not offer patches for it, I follow patches quite diligently. I did not mentioned this before. With properly implementing a system of Docked Form, we can create a very compatible ToolsAPI. We can do much in this direction. Somehow I have a feeling that you don't _really_ want to contribute your FreeSparta code for Lazarus. No patches, except for one 30 LOC patch, and it is always the fault of Lazarus developers who did not help you enough or were not interested in your code. I am grateful for the branch, I plan to use. Please look at other side: I made effort for FPC related to Generics.Collections (many bug reports, new RTL functions, and whole Generics.* library)... I _really_ want to contribute my code, but I _really_ don't know what is the status of Generics.Collections (with is the key feature/library for me for any serious work. IMO Generics.* is ready for use, but this is my subjective opinion). Can we include in some way Generics.Collections in to Lazarus...? Generics.Collections can work with incoming FPC 3.0. Maybe I should forget about Generics.Collections? This uncertainty overwhelms me (I need to chose some direction). If this is a conscious revenge for the developers for being against a Lazarus fork then it goes to a wrong address. None of Lazarus developers were against it. Never. Some other people were, yes, and they gave an impression they represented Lazarus project but they did not. I am happy that episode is over. Only revenge on the Embarcadero for the lack of the free version. That's my real goal! ;) Now please tell how much you will participate in the dockable form editor project. If you don't want to participate, it is perfectly OK but we must know. I have a feeling this long awaited feature will happen soon. It will be easier for me now (I changed my job and again I program in Pascal :) ). Maybe in the beginning I will gather some key elements in the diagram (I need for this 2-3 days). I wonder whether I should override metaclass like TForm, TFrame and TDataModule to achieve many effects in FreeSparta project. This is one of the most controversial things in Sparta (and key things). P.S. I am also impressed by your FreeSparta just like Graeme. I am still hoping we could integrate parts of it to Lazarus. Let's see... Thanks. I hope this will become true. best regards, Maciej Izak -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Maciej Izak hnb.c...@gmail.com wrote: IMO the best option for Lazarus is synergy of solution from CodeTyphon (the way of handling docked form in many platforms) and FreeSparta (elastic interfaces, it handles many usefull events like: Sounds good but how much are you willing to help with it? I have now time for Lazarus development but I don't know where to look for your docking code or elastic interfaces. We need a patch against Lazarus trunk. Can you promise to provide a patch and then work with me and Balázs to get the feature ready? Balázs is already thinking of improvements for his code. I think we must soon decide how to proceed exactly. Maciej, you can also use your private branch for Lazarus instead of sending patches: http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/branches/free-sparta/ We still have not seen commits there. Why? The branch was provided to make committing your code as easy as possible. Before that you had provided a patch with 30 lines which was rather a joke. If someone had helped me more then I would be able to implement compatible ToolsAPI.pas with Delphi... That means Delphi plugins pluggable with Lazarus with small changes :). I am willing to help with the ToolsAPI. When did you ask for help? Maybe I missed it. For sure you did not offer patches for it, I follow patches quite diligently. Somehow I have a feeling that you don't _really_ want to contribute your FreeSparta code for Lazarus. No patches, except for one 30 LOC patch, and it is always the fault of Lazarus developers who did not help you enough or were not interested in your code. If this is a conscious revenge for the developers for being against a Lazarus fork then it goes to a wrong address. None of Lazarus developers were against it. Never. Some other people were, yes, and they gave an impression they represented Lazarus project but they did not. I am happy that episode is over. Now please tell how much you will participate in the dockable form editor project. If you don't want to participate, it is perfectly OK but we must know. I have a feeling this long awaited feature will happen soon. Juha P.S. I am also impressed by your FreeSparta just like Graeme. I am still hoping we could integrate parts of it to Lazarus. Let's see... -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
On 2015-06-12 14:03, Maciej Izak wrote: FreeSparta (elastic interfaces, it handles many usefull events like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FOjWCLDScQt=264 This is the first time I have seen FreeSparta. Looking at the video, I'm very impressed with the features and changes you have made. There are some real nice touches. Well done! Regards, - Graeme - -- fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/ -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
Hi Maciej, I like your docking system very much. I would like to see some of the features ported back to Lazarus. I have a question, though: I read on your site that FreeSparta only works on Windows. It would be difficult to make it Linux/OSX compatible? We need a docking system that is functional on every widgetset.The latest CT implementation works on every platform(ok, it has some issues on OSX, but it can be fixed). regards,Balázs From: Maciej Izak hnb.c...@gmail.com To: Lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form 12 cze 2015 10:31 Juha Manninen juha.mannine...@gmail.com napisał(a): I remember mentioned years ago that a docked form editor for AnchorDocking is not implemented in Lazarus yet because it needs proper design and many changes, and thus the CodeTyphon solution was not good enough. I don't know any details of that. I don't know what are the alternative details either. Juha An alternative implementation exists in freesparta, compatible with AnchorDocking and is flexible. It needs a little work but would allow anchoring to different docking plug-ins ... Now I am not able to do anything. Lack of Generics.Collections as part of FPC RTL is blocking me for futher work. Status o Generics.Collections is unclear. Sven is not really happy with interface hacks in library but I don't see any alternative... Anyway the system is designed to allow additional cards to create like history (without using Generics.Collections :) ). If someone had helped me more then I would be able to implement compatible ToolsAPI.pas with Delphi... That means Delphi plugins pluggable with Lazarus with small changes :). (if considered the introduction of https://github.com/dathox/freesparta/tree/master/lazarus_sparta_patch/components/ideintf especially TTabDisplayState TLazarusIDEHandlerType TIDETabMaster https://github.com/dathox/freesparta/blob/master/lazarus_sparta_patch/components/ideintf/lazideintf.pas) Best regards,Maciej Izak -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
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Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
On 2015-06-12 17:15, Juha Manninen wrote: I am also impressed by your FreeSparta just like Graeme. I am still hoping we could integrate parts of it to Lazarus. Let's see... I obviously missed something regarding FreeSparta. Is it not a commercial product any more? From the website it seems you can still purchase the full version for $99 or something. Regards, - Graeme - -- fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/ -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Docked Form
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys mailingli...@geldenhuys.co.uk wrote: I obviously missed something regarding FreeSparta. Is it not a commercial product any more? From the website it seems you can still purchase the full version for $99 or something. All parts of it were made free a while ago : http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=27710 Juha -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
