Re: [LEAPSECS] negative leap second in 2029?

2024-03-31 Thread Steve Allen
he news articles about not betting on predictions of earth rotation. Also do not forget McCarthy and Matsakis previously looking at the trend https://insidegnss.com/will-we-have-a-negative-leap-second/ -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Nat

Re: [LEAPSECS] UT1 offset

2023-12-28 Thread Steve Allen
ger being performed according to the ritual found in the old log books of ships. If the calculations are now performed by machines that are connected to telecom systems then all of the nitty gritty details like DUT1 are probably in the computer. -- Steve Allen WG

Re: [LEAPSECS] UT1 offset

2023-12-25 Thread Steve Allen
abulation would be reliably correct and do all the new calculations still largely by hand, but most of all because their other job was to provide legal time, and legal time was based on mean solar time. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260

[LEAPSECS] prep for WRC 23

2023-11-25 Thread Steve Allen
would like UTC to stop having leap seconds. Many also allow that keeping agreement with the earth in the long run is necessary, and that they have no idea how to do that. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat

Re: [LEAPSECS] speeding up again?

2023-05-28 Thread Steve Allen
On Mon 2023-05-22T16:44:30+0200 Tony Finch hath writ: > The prospect of a negative leap second is receding. The longer-term > projected length of day from Bulletin A has been increasing towards 24h > in recent months. We can probably put a lot of the blame onto El Niño -- St

[LEAPSECS] smear

2023-03-20 Thread Steve Allen
ll smear. This is like Eucla Australia setting their clocks the way they please and daring the state government to do something about it. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street

Re: [LEAPSECS] USNO predictions of UT1-UTC

2023-03-19 Thread Steve Allen
On Mon 2023-03-20T00:55:26+ Seaman, Robert Lewis - (rseaman) hath writ: > Much consternation will be feigned. I will be making much use of the Michael Jackson eating popcorn gif -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences

[LEAPSECS] USNO predictions of UT1-UTC

2023-03-19 Thread Steve Allen
lished. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064 https://www.ucolick.org/~sla/ Hgt

[LEAPSECS] leap seconds in the not so news

2022-12-04 Thread Steve Allen
today in leap second clickbait https://supplycloset.supplies/2022/12/04/scientists-killed-the-leap-second-your-birthday-could-be-next/ Scientists Killed The Leap Second. Your Birthday Could Be Next. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260

Re: [LEAPSECS] King Charles

2022-12-04 Thread Steve Allen
job Sadler could not have dared to describe the consequences of that in plain language. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06

Re: [LEAPSECS] King Charles

2022-11-24 Thread Steve Allen
what I choose it to mean--neither more nor less.' 'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you CAN make words mean so many different things.' 'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master-- that's all.' -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--I

[LEAPSECS] King Charles

2022-11-24 Thread Steve Allen
It was King Charles II who oversaw the inception of GMT. If King Charles III lives as long as his mother then he will oversee the conclusion of GMT. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High

Re: [LEAPSECS] Global timekeepers vote to scrap leap second by 2035

2022-11-20 Thread Steve Allen
On Sun 2022-11-20T13:23:32+ Kevin Birth hath writ: > As far as I can tell, they were never successful, but it did keep them busy. As Rod Serling wrote in The Big Tall Wish You got to believe, Bolie. But worse, because in this arena infidels will not be tolerated. -- Steve Al

Re: [LEAPSECS] Alanna Mitchell in NYT

2022-11-14 Thread Steve Allen
- UT1|, UTC had to change its name so that "polysemy" is avoided. The funny part there is that UT1 does not mean what they think it means. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.

Re: [LEAPSECS] leap minute or hour

2022-11-14 Thread Steve Allen
andable" solution to the political problem. We do not have Hari Seldon theory to guage the psychohistory of international alliances and how they will align with each other about answering "What time is it?" -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observato

Re: [LEAPSECS] Alanna Mitchell in NYT

2022-11-14 Thread Steve Allen
will handle that eventuality we need to be openly considering the goals and implementation for that already. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046

[LEAPSECS] Alanna Mitchell in NYT

2022-11-14 Thread Steve Allen
Starting tomorrow the CGPM meets in Paris. Resolution D says leap seconds must die. CGPM will almost certainly approve that resolution. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/14/science/time-leap-second.html -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260

Re: [LEAPSECS] article for Metrologia

2022-10-29 Thread Steve Allen
rectly was not yet technically possible. So the principals guarded their speech into their retirement and death rather than advocate that the leap second scheme was necessarily temporary and would need to be replaced by something better. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UC

Re: [LEAPSECS] article for Metrologia

2022-10-28 Thread Steve Allen
.org/~sla/leapsecs/seasonal.html Is it not the case that references to the 19 year Metonic cycle should be references to the 18.6 year Draconic cycle? -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 Hi

Re: [LEAPSECS] article for Metrologia

2022-10-27 Thread Steve Allen
On Thu 2022-10-27T19:25:01-0700 Steve Allen hath writ: > Levine, Tavella, and Milton have an upcoming article for Metrologia > on the issue of leap seconds in UTC > > https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1681-7575/ac9da5b sorry, stray character appended to my cut and

[LEAPSECS] article for Metrologia

2022-10-27 Thread Steve Allen
Levine, Tavella, and Milton have an upcoming article for Metrologia on the issue of leap seconds in UTC https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1681-7575/ac9da5b -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat

Re: [LEAPSECS] The Variable Earth’s Rotation in the 4th–7th Centuries: New ΔT Constraints,from Byzantine Eclipse Records

2022-09-18 Thread Steve Allen
ry scarce and the decadal fluctuations can take the value of Delta T far askew. It takes a lot of work to recognize the useful descriptions. The authors clearly also wanted to typset Amharic. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II,

Re: [LEAPSECS] fb/meta join the leap second haters

2022-07-26 Thread Steve Allen
/journees_pdf/SessionIV_1/LIU_JiaCheng.pdf -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064 https://www.uco

Re: [LEAPSECS] fb/meta join the leap second haters

2022-07-26 Thread Steve Allen
semi/annual variation. caveat is that plot may change before you all look at it. The rotation of the earth's crust started accelerating right when the CCIR decided that we should start using leap seconds. karma -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB

[LEAPSECS] fb/meta join the leap second haters

2022-07-25 Thread Steve Allen
by saying that the absence of leap seconds will not be noticed for 2000 years. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa

[LEAPSECS] IGS 2022 leap second statement

2022-07-10 Thread Steve Allen
added to UTC https://files.igs.org/pub/resource/IGS_LeapSecond_Statement_Final.pdf -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015

[LEAPSECS] podcast from Orolia

2022-05-03 Thread Steve Allen
Orolia has a 17 minute podcast about leap seconds https://www.orolia.com/place-and-time-episode-3-the-leap-second-on-trial/ -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street

[LEAPSECS] URSI speaks

2022-03-29 Thread Steve Allen
URSI resolved about leap seconds https://www.ursi.org/Publications/RadioScienceLetters/Volume3/RSL21-0047-final.pdf It includes yet another passive voice redacted history of why they were implemented. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260

Re: [LEAPSECS] Never mind DUT1, what happened to dX ?

2022-03-08 Thread Steve Allen
istory it may be the case that the celestial pole position wobble around the predictable position is smaller when the rotation is accelerating. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High

[LEAPSECS] problems with early TAI

2022-03-06 Thread Steve Allen
to the number of elapsed SI seconds in the value of TAI. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064

Re: [LEAPSECS] Never mind DUT1, what happened to dX ?

2022-03-06 Thread Steve Allen
I suspect nothing unusual is happening. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064 https://www.uc

Re: [LEAPSECS] Never mind DUT1, what happened to dX ?

2022-03-06 Thread Steve Allen
happened in late 2019 ? 2019 October is when USNO had to take their machines offline due to new security requirements. Those artifacts do not show at the ObsPM site https://hpiers.obspm.fr/eop-pc/index.php?index=analysis=en -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick

[LEAPSECS] Unsung Science with David Pogue

2021-12-18 Thread Steve Allen
seconds are the perfect solution, then abruptly continues about how that did not turn out to be true. Near the end are sound snips from the 2015 ITU WRC delegates deciding not to decide. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II

Re: [LEAPSECS] 256-week / leap seconds / in the news

2021-07-25 Thread Steve Allen
you want to compare it with the value deemed as correct by other systems and required by regulations you will have to check back later using another interface." -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.9

Re: [LEAPSECS] 256-week / leap seconds / in the news

2021-07-25 Thread Steve Allen
us/1419239590532206597 which famously includes highlighted text from the section of the GPS ICD that describes the need to do modulo arithmetic along with the URL to the new version of the firmware. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural

Re: [LEAPSECS] 256-week / leap seconds / in the news

2021-07-24 Thread Steve Allen
lass is tough" -- Barbie -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064 https://www.

Re: [LEAPSECS] Judah Levine of NIST

2021-04-16 Thread Steve Allen
On Wed 2021-03-31T20:55:05-0700 Steve Allen hath writ: > Judah Levine has begun a multi-part essay > Everyday Time and Atomic Time > https://nist.medium.com/everyday-time-and-atomic-time-part-one-9107b60fd9d0 Part 2 on music and frequency https://nist.medium.com/everyday-time-and-atomic-

[LEAPSECS] Judah Levine of NIST

2021-04-01 Thread Steve Allen
Judah Levine has begun a multi-part essay Everyday Time and Atomic Time https://nist.medium.com/everyday-time-and-atomic-time-part-one-9107b60fd9d0 -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High

Re: [LEAPSECS] leap seconds, newspapers, earth rotation

2021-01-08 Thread Steve Allen
how long each day has been according to the IERS bureau predictions and keeping a sports statistics page on how the earth is doing. They ran a year end article looking over the stats https://www.timeanddate.com/time/earth-faster-rotation.html -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (

Re: [LEAPSECS] Bulletin C number 60

2020-07-07 Thread Steve Allen
ePlot.php?plotname=FinalsAllIAU2000A-LOD-BULA=9 The earth has accelerated so that it is spinning as fast as it was during World War 2, and before that, the 1890s. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.9985

Re: [LEAPSECS] Executive Order on Strengthening National Resilience through Responsible Use of Positioning, Navigation, and Timing Services

2020-02-13 Thread Steve Allen
On Thu 2020-02-13T14:37:32+ Richard Langley hath writ: > https://www.gpsworld.com/gps-backup-demonstration-projects-explained/ Crossing over a thread from time-nuts, the Wildwood eLoran should turn on its transmitter some time this week. -- Steve Allen WGS

Re: [LEAPSECS] Leap seconds have a larger context than POSIX

2020-02-05 Thread Steve Allen
C must have the same rate as the atomic time scales >at the time -- the law even allows for several time scales. What this means is that DHI was out of the legal time business, and only PTB got to say what legal time was in Germany. The head of PTB said only SI seconds. -- Steve Allen

Re: [LEAPSECS] Leap seconds have a larger context than POSIX

2020-02-05 Thread Steve Allen
a position to insist again, but this whole arena seems well described by Hector Barbossa telling Elizabeth Swan that the Pirate Code is more like guidelines than actual rules. Welcome abord the Black Pearl. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260

Re: [LEAPSECS] Leap seconds have a larger context than POSIX

2020-02-04 Thread Steve Allen
such improvements risk discussions that might delve into the origins and purpose of UTC. Fear means that ignorance must be maintained for the sake of hegemony. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855

Re: [LEAPSECS] Leap seconds have a larger context than POSIX

2020-02-02 Thread Steve Allen
er arrangement would have required effectively duplicating the expertise and hardware of the BIH and finding a way to fund that. Prompting governments or journalists to open an investigation into the process of writing an international "technical" specification that was violated in less

Re: [LEAPSECS] Leap seconds have a larger context than POSIX

2020-02-01 Thread Steve Allen
hority to cause all nations to change calendar days from mean solar days to atomic days. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.0

Re: [LEAPSECS] leap seconds in POSIX

2020-02-01 Thread Steve Allen
ereafter condemned to conform to specifications for a political compromise that gave no clues about its underlying technical barrenness. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street

Re: [LEAPSECS] leap seconds in POSIX

2020-01-27 Thread Steve Allen
> Do you have a link and/or instructions? I can't see how to get a chart > like that ... http://hpiers.obspm.fr/eop-pc/index.php?index=C04=en ask to remove tidal variations Be nice, this web server is not robust enough to handle everyone asking all at once. -- Steve Allen

Re: [LEAPSECS] leap seconds in POSIX

2020-01-27 Thread Steve Allen
he Paris bureau of IERS by requesting to remove the predictable tidal variations that basically look like noise on the second plot here. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street

Re: [LEAPSECS] leap seconds in POSIX

2020-01-27 Thread Steve Allen
ns. I think Microsoft was able to achieve this because Windows 10 is designed to be continuously updated, including leap second information, with new code from corporate headquarters. This would not have been possible with an earlier version of Windows, nor with most any other system. --

[LEAPSECS] IBM and negative leap seconds

2019-06-29 Thread Steve Allen
is configured with a negative number of leap seconds. Fix: Customer: Doctor it hurts when I do this. IBM: Then don't do that. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1

Re: [LEAPSECS] Fw: CGSIC Bulletin: June 2019 Public Document Review

2019-06-13 Thread Steve Allen
ing that the estimates of parameters should be expressed in GPS time rather than UTC time. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa C

Re: [LEAPSECS] aircraft GPS receivers hit by leap second bug

2019-06-11 Thread Steve Allen
ssued a bad software update. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064 https://www.uc

[LEAPSECS] systematic offsets of BIH data tabulations

2019-06-09 Thread Steve Allen
look like the image on this web page. https://www.ucolick.org/~sla/leapsecs/BHsHn02p043.html -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.0

[LEAPSECS] complete history of UT2

2019-06-05 Thread Steve Allen
. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064 https://www.ucolick.org/~sla/ Hgt +250 m

Re: [LEAPSECS] Windows 10 time

2019-04-15 Thread Steve Allen
y 1 microsecond or 1 millisecond or 1 second, depending on who you are and other latencies. During the development of these regulations drafts were calling for 1 microsecond. The above results came after closed-session powwows with folks from BIPM and other timing labs. -- Steve Al

[LEAPSECS] Windows 10 time

2019-04-11 Thread Steve Allen
the system is configured to run the old way without leap seconds) with references to financial regulation agencies and Matsakis, Levine, Lombardi at ION last year. I am impressed that Microsoft has managed to go somewhere that POSIX still refuses to go. -- Steve Allen WGS

Re: [LEAPSECS] DCF77 and the inception of leap seconds

2019-02-02 Thread Steve Allen
and did not do. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064 https://www.ucolick.org/~s

[LEAPSECS] is leap smear legal in Germany?

2019-02-02 Thread Steve Allen
the cesium gang had talked through and decided that Germany was the expedient place to trigger the crisis. But now I am trolling and asking: Given that rubber seconds are illegal in Germany, is it legal to use Google/Amazon NTP servers that provide smeared leap seconds? -- Steve Allen

[LEAPSECS] DCF77 and the inception of leap seconds

2019-02-01 Thread Steve Allen
d to the urgent series of CCIR working group meetings during 1968 and 1969 which resulted in the proposal for leap seconds presented to the CCIR assembly in 1970 February. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 L

Re: [LEAPSECS] leapseconds, converting between GPS time (week, second) and UTC

2019-01-22 Thread Steve Allen
On Mon 2019-01-21T15:32:27-0800 Paul Hirose hath writ: > On 2019-01-16 1:35, Steve Allen wrote: > > So starting 1970-01-01 DCF77 changed to broadcast Stepped Atomic Time > > (SAT) with second markers that were 1 SI second apart except on > > occasions when they were 1.2 SI s

Re: [LEAPSECS] the epoch of TAI, with no more doubt

2019-01-21 Thread Steve Allen
lose look at the BIH annual reports to see whether they indicate the acquisition of computing machinery. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046

Re: [LEAPSECS] the epoch of TAI, with no more doubt

2019-01-20 Thread Steve Allen
lletin Horaire and pick out details. I suppose Guinot must have agreed, and I think that is why the precise records of earth rotation that the IERS inherited from the BIH begin at the transition from FK3 to FK4 on 1962-01-01. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Li

Re: [LEAPSECS] the epoch of TAI, with no more doubt

2019-01-20 Thread Steve Allen
On Sun 2019-01-20T15:15:54+ Michael Deckers hath writ: > On 2019-01-20 00:50, Steve Allen wrote: > > I took a closer read and cross reference of the relevant > > issues of Bulletin Horaire and finalized my web page. > > The epoch at which TAI was set is definitely 19

[LEAPSECS] tzdata and US gov shutdown

2019-01-19 Thread Steve Allen
A blogger takes note of how the IANA timezone project has been working around the lack of new leap second information from US government sources. https://typesandtimes.net/2019/01/shutdown-warps-time -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260

Re: [LEAPSECS] the epoch of TAI, with no more doubt

2019-01-19 Thread Steve Allen
of atomic time. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064 https://www.ucolick.org/~sla/ H

[LEAPSECS] the epoch of TAI, with no more doubt

2019-01-19 Thread Steve Allen
On Wed 2019-01-16T00:56:19-0800 Steve Allen hath writ: > The epoch of TAI, and LORAN, and GPS is 1961-01-01T20:00:00 UT2. > Or maybe 1961-01-00 UT2. I took a closer read and cross reference of the relevant issues of Bulletin Horaire and finalized my web page. The epoch at which TAI w

Re: [LEAPSECS] Running on TAI

2019-01-17 Thread Steve Allen
time scale should be widely distributed by a robust scheme like the Domain Name System and financial transactions, and those conversions should not happen in critical places like the kernel but in other less-critical places like libraries for locale and internationalization. -- Steve Allen

Re: [LEAPSECS] leapseconds, converting between GPS time (week, second) and UTC

2019-01-17 Thread Steve Allen
On Wed 2019-01-16T22:24:46-0800 Paul Hirose hath writ: > On 2019-01-16 1:35, Steve Allen wrote: > > > > Does it know that rubber seconds do not apply to timestamps in central > > Europe made using DCF77 from 1970-01-01 to 1972-01-01? > > All my DLL knows is what's i

Re: [LEAPSECS] leapseconds, converting between GPS time (week, second) and UTC

2019-01-16 Thread Steve Allen
to the decision to have leap seconds. So they were mostly broadcasting legal SI seconds, but too early in history to evoke comparisons with "mostly harmless" and "mostly dead". -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260

Re: [LEAPSECS] leapseconds, converting between GPS time (week, second) and UTC

2019-01-16 Thread Steve Allen
On Wed 2019-01-16T09:03:26+ Poul-Henning Kamp hath writ: > In message <20190116085619.ga23...@ucolick.org>, Steve Allen writes: > >The epoch of TAI, and LORAN, and GPS is 1961-01-01T20:00:00 UT2. > >Or maybe 1961-01-00 UT2. > > > >That is when the atomic time s

Re: [LEAPSECS] leapseconds, converting between GPS time (week, second) and UTC

2019-01-16 Thread Steve Allen
On Wed 2019-01-16T08:31:19+ Poul-Henning Kamp hath writ: > In message <20190115205243.gb25...@ucolick.org>, Steve Allen writes: > >That evokes a challenge for all time nuts that I can make based on > >reading Bulletin Horaire. > > > >What is the epoch

Re: [LEAPSECS] leapseconds, converting between GPS time (week, second) and UTC

2019-01-15 Thread Steve Allen
seconds should use TAI as given in rec 485. This betrays that not even the head of BIPM, who define TAI, was aware that the ITU had withdrawn that rec two years earlier. As Captain said in Cool Hand Luke Whut we've got heyah is failya tuh c'municate. https://www.youtube.

Re: [LEAPSECS] leapseconds, converting between GPS time (week, second) and UTC

2019-01-15 Thread Steve Allen
the laws of all those nations, the answer was to smile and say "Yes, everyone has agreed that this is the best way to do it." Their job was not to say that the technical folks who made that decision had already decided to disregard that in the systems that they controlled, broadcast navigat

Re: [LEAPSECS] leapseconds, converting between GPS time (week, second) and UTC

2019-01-15 Thread Steve Allen
explain the difference between the two time scales. That 1958 epoch is not the basis for the current incarnation of TAI. Tonight I will scan the pages of Bulletin Horaire with the answer. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Ro

Re: [LEAPSECS] leapseconds, converting between GPS time (week, second) and UTC

2019-01-15 Thread Steve Allen
t; code. Or just use TAI for everything. The trick is to find a source that will set a POSIX system to TAI, and then to avoid the gotchas that happen when such a system interacts with other POSIX systems. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natu

Re: [LEAPSECS] leapseconds, converting between GPS time (week, second) and UTC

2019-01-15 Thread Steve Allen
whenever there is a leap second and requires a reboot. At the most recent summer leap second we were able to see a star before and after, and there was a jump in the centering. The software chose a different offset in the pointing for that night. -- Steve Allen WG

Re: [LEAPSECS] leapseconds, converting between GPS time (week, second) and UTC

2019-01-15 Thread Steve Allen
voided discussing the technical problems in public, redacted the transcripts of meetings that showed dissension, and arranged forced votes to produce statements indicating that various bodies agreed with the notion of leap seconds. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UC

Re: [LEAPSECS] leapseconds, converting between GPS time (week, second) and UTC

2019-01-15 Thread Steve Allen
ld love to find pointers to such strategies and code. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064

Re: [LEAPSECS] leapseconds, converting between GPS time (week, second) and UTC

2019-01-15 Thread Steve Allen
On Tue 2019-01-15T11:40:07-0800 Tom Van Baak hath writ: > Also, presumably Python is based on POSIX? Does it use time_t or > gmtime? Why did Jim's quick Python experiment fail? Guido said that the mainline of Python would not support leap seconds. -- Steve

Re: [LEAPSECS] leapseconds, converting between GPS time (week, second) and UTC

2019-01-15 Thread Steve Allen
m time and the civil time that has been specified in the international agreements. https://www.ucolick.org/~sla/leapsecs/right+gps.html Note that there are caveats to this scheme. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room

[LEAPSECS] early efforts at uniform frequency

2018-12-01 Thread Steve Allen
, by which point the time signal broadcasts were already regulated by cesium. Plots of the seasonal variation expressions are here https://www.ucolick.org/~sla/leapsecs/seasonal.html -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II

Re: [LEAPSECS] more Windows 10 leap details

2018-10-19 Thread Steve Allen
rating system. That is a big step forward for leap seconds. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA

[LEAPSECS] EMF Camp

2018-09-02 Thread Steve Allen
-- Yesterday John Dalziel gave a leap second talk at EMF Camp https://www.emfcamp.org/line-up/2018/32-a-brief-history-of-leap-seconds the video stream is here https://mirrors.dotsrc.org/cdn.media.ccc.de/events/emf/2018/h264-hd/emf2018-32-eng-A_brief_history_of_Leap_Seconds_hd.mp4 -- Steve

Re: [LEAPSECS] the inception of leap seconds

2018-08-15 Thread Steve Allen
s in the accompanying brief notes about changes. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064 http:/

[LEAPSECS] no more listening to leap seconds?

2018-08-10 Thread Steve Allen
-request-summary/fundamental-measurement-quantum-science-and -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064

Re: [LEAPSECS] Windows Server 2019

2018-07-23 Thread Steve Allen
s the same in all subsequent revisions. CCIR and ITU-R documents mention UTC, UT[012], and TAI, and they refer the reader to other agencies for definitions of those terms. They do not mention local civil time, -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 N

Re: [LEAPSECS] Windows Server 2019

2018-07-23 Thread Steve Allen
all UTC offset timescales." All local times are decided by local jurisdictions. This is an issue long treated in the IANA tz mail list which is a community effort that makes best effort to track every little change made by every legislature and bureaucrat. -- Steve Allen

Re: [LEAPSECS] Windows Server 2019

2018-07-23 Thread Steve Allen
e hours was less harmful than taking the leap second in the middle of the day. That might happen if some international regulatory or scientific agency produced a recommendation saying that every nation should do leap seconds at local midnight, but that just moves the "hard to imagine"

Re: [LEAPSECS] Windows Server 2019

2018-07-20 Thread Steve Allen
itically expedient shortcut which was full of unexplained technical complexities. It is not clear who can remedy things. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3

Re: [LEAPSECS] Windows Server 2019

2018-07-18 Thread Steve Allen
nformance with UTC as defined. Otherwise the old default configuration will have a second that lasts 2000 millis. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 45

[LEAPSECS] Windows Server 2019

2018-07-18 Thread Steve Allen
the output of "System.DateTime.Now.ToString()" will be ahead by one second of the local system time. (We are working with the .NET framework team on this.) In combination with the many steps that it takes to configure Windows this sounds like there will be some really interesting results.

[LEAPSECS] anybody watching the NTP pool?

2018-06-25 Thread Steve Allen
It will be interesting to see how many systems try to implement a leap second at the end of this week. Sites with broken leapseconds files are invisible beforehand, but stuck NTP leap bits may be showing up already. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory

[LEAPSECS] the inception of leap seconds

2018-06-06 Thread Steve Allen
of the earlier form of coordinated time in radio broadcasts. -- Steve Allen WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064

Re: [LEAPSECS] UT1 via NTP

2018-03-21 Thread Steve Allen
On Wed 2018-03-21T08:51:37-0700 Steve Allen hath writ: > Our robotic telescope with small FOV on the guider does better if it > is given UT1 to 0.1 second. That telescope grabs the USNO predictions > of EOP every week to update the pointing. I'll add that I do not see any place wher

Re: [LEAPSECS] UT1 via NTP

2018-03-21 Thread Steve Allen
given UT1 to 0.1 second. That telescope grabs the USNO predictions of EOP every week to update the pointing. -- Steve Allen<s...@ucolick.org> WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street

Re: [LEAPSECS] [Non-DoD Source] D.H. Sadler in 1954

2018-03-17 Thread Steve Allen
inkler then stopped discussion about the CCIR and allowed "free discussion" which is not recorded. -- Steve Allen<s...@ucolick.org> WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Stree

[LEAPSECS] D.H. Sadler in 1954

2018-03-13 Thread Steve Allen
://www.ucolick.org/~sla/leapsecs/twokindsoftime.html This is one of the series of documents produced starting in 1948 and proceeding through the next 20 years where astronomers explained that two kinds of time would be needed to satisfy all applications. -- Steve Allen<s...@ucolick.

[LEAPSECS] the first TAI

2018-02-05 Thread Steve Allen
? If not, that begs the question of why not? -- Steve Allen<s...@ucolick.org> WGS-84 (GPS) UCO/Lick Observatory--ISB 260 Natural Sciences II, Room 165 Lat +36.99855 1156 High Street Voice: +1 831 459 3046 Lng -122.06015 Santa Cruz, CA 95064

[LEAPSECS] leap seconds since WRC-15

2017-11-26 Thread Steve Allen
statement to Working Parties 4A, 4B, 4C, 5A, 5B, 5C, 5D, 6A, 6B, 6C, 7B, 7C and 7D which can be supposed as an alert that they all might want to read the working document. It is too soon for detailed clues about what just happened at CIPM and WP7A, but things are clearly moving along. -- S

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