Re: [LEDE-DEV] List Prefix

2016-05-05 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On 16-05-05 07:13 PM, Ted Hess wrote: > Ha! As a veteran top-poster and victim of Windows Live Mail when I > respond sometimes, I take exception to your statement below. Of course, Heh, I forgot about that (although Live Mail? They still have that?). I hate having to Outlook for the same reason

Re: [LEDE-DEV] List Prefix

2016-05-05 Thread Ted Hess
clueless. Feh!!! /ted ps - I top-posted this on purpose. ;) -Original Message- From: Daniel Dickinson Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 2:00 PM To: David Woodhouse ; lede-dev@lists.infradead.org Subject: Re: [LEDE-DEV] List Prefix It's like top-posting — there is a *correlation* betwe

Re: [LEDE-DEV] List Prefix

2016-05-05 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On 16-05-05 01:37 PM, David Woodhouse wrote: > On Thu, 2016-05-05 at 13:23 -0400, Daniel Dickinson wrote: >> Basically the only people for whom your claim "it's easy to add" is >> actually true is people for whom it's not *that* much harder to >> remove what they don't want. > > In practice though

Re: [LEDE-DEV] List Prefix

2016-05-05 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2016-05-05 at 13:23 -0400, Daniel Dickinson wrote: > Basically the only people for whom your claim "it's easy to add" is > actually true is people for whom it's not *that* much harder to > remove what they don't want. In practice though, what happens is the more technically advanced users

Re: [LEDE-DEV] List Prefix

2016-05-05 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2016-05-05 at 13:22 -0400, Daniel Dickinson wrote: > Hey, in future could you please not top-post?  It's bad form on a > technical list.  While I'd hate see this become one of those > self-righteous snob communities that use rude and antagonistic in > response to things like top-posting, le

Re: [LEDE-DEV] List Prefix

2016-05-05 Thread Daniel Dickinson
Hey, in future could you please not top-post? It's bad form on a technical list. While I'd hate see this become one of those self-righteous snob communities that use rude and antagonistic in response to things like top-posting, letting people know that that top-post is inappropriate is something

Re: [LEDE-DEV] List Prefix

2016-05-05 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On 16-05-05 01:17 PM, David Woodhouse wrote: > Again, just personal anecdotal data. But again, it's a down-side that > it's fairly hard for recipients to *avoid* (it's distinctly non-trivial > to remove even the one list-noise, let alone when it's cross-posted and > gains others), while it's relat

Re: [LEDE-DEV] List Prefix

2016-05-05 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2016-05-05 at 14:12 -0300, Fernando Frediani wrote: > Come on. It´s not a big thing and it helps some people to organize > their mailboxes in the way they prefer. > We are talking about just 10 extra characters ! You are right. It isn't a big thing. It's just 10 extra characters. But some

Re: [LEDE-DEV] List Prefix

2016-05-05 Thread Fernando Frediani
Well, it reminds some discussions about "what text editor is better?". Nobody will convince anybody. Exactly, it is not a clear win to avoid it. Is it a "old-style" thing ? Maybe, but it is something real and used of the majority of lists which people are used with and doesn't cause any critical d

Re: [LEDE-DEV] List Prefix

2016-05-05 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On 16-05-05 11:23 AM, Fernando Frediani wrote: > Quick question to those who don't like the idea of having a prefix in > the subject: Is this a big deal ? > Cannot this be compromised in favour of having this enabled for those > who need it for the reasons justified in previous messages ? For me t

Re: [LEDE-DEV] List Prefix

2016-05-05 Thread Bert Vermeulen
On 05/05/2016 06:15 PM, David Woodhouse wrote: > But I'd observe that it's easier for people to *add* this nonsense on > the client side of they really want it, than it is to *remove* it > again. You're basically penalising those who *do* set up their mail > clients optimally, for the benefit of th

Re: [LEDE-DEV] List Prefix

2016-05-05 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2016-05-05 at 12:23 -0300, Fernando Frediani wrote: > Quick question to those who don't like the idea of having a prefix in > the subject: Is this a big deal ? Nothing's really a "big deal". Life's too short to claim that. If I see messages where the subject appears to be 'lede-dev', when

Re: [LEDE-DEV] List Prefix

2016-05-05 Thread Fernando Frediani
Quick question to those who don't like the idea of having a prefix in the subject: Is this a big deal ? Cannot this be compromised in favour of having this enabled for those who need it for the reasons justified in previous messages ? Thanks Fernando On 5 May 2016 at 05:37, David Lang wrote: > O

Re: [LEDE-DEV] List Prefix

2016-05-05 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2016-05-05 at 01:37 -0700, David Lang wrote: > > > can this be turned on by subscribers manually for their subscription or > > is there only one global option ? for the list ? > > I'm pretty sure it's a list-wide option. Indeed. There are plenty of things that individual subscribers can

Re: [LEDE-DEV] List Prefix

2016-05-05 Thread David Lang
On Thu, 5 May 2016, John Crispin wrote: On 05/05/2016 10:14, David Woodhouse wrote: On Thu, 2016-05-05 at 08:13 +0200, John Crispin wrote: Hi David, some folks would prefer to have the prefix on the 2 lists. I just had a look in the mailman settings and failed to quickly spot the location wh

Re: [LEDE-DEV] List Prefix

2016-05-05 Thread John Crispin
On 05/05/2016 10:14, David Woodhouse wrote: > On Thu, 2016-05-05 at 08:13 +0200, John Crispin wrote: >> >> Hi David, >> >> some folks would prefer to have the prefix on the 2 lists. I just had a >> look in the mailman settings and failed to quickly spot the location >> where this can be achieved.

Re: [LEDE-DEV] List Prefix

2016-05-05 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2016-05-05 at 08:13 +0200, John Crispin wrote: > > Hi David, > > some folks would prefer to have the prefix on the 2 lists. I just had a > look in the mailman settings and failed to quickly spot the location > where this can be achieved. Ick, they really ought to be able to handle that l

Re: [LEDE-DEV] List Prefix

2016-05-04 Thread John Crispin
On 27/04/2016 10:47, John Crispin wrote: > > > On 26/04/2016 18:51, David Woodhouse wrote: >> On Tue, 2016-04-26 at 17:16 +0200, Jo-Philipp Wich wrote: >>> This is just a test, please ignore. >> >> Hm, I thought I fixed the stupid mailman default when I set up the >> list, to remove the pointle