Re: [LEDE-DEV] [PATCH] prereq-mk: Change wget dependency to curl one.
On 3/10/2018 7:13 PM, Stijn Segers wrote: Op za, 10 mrt 2018 om 7:03 , schreef Rosen Penev : On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 3:31 AM, Bjørn Mork wrote: Rosen Penev writes: curl is more common than GNU wget is. No. Yes. For example, Cygwin, Arch Linux, and my android phone all come with curl by default whereas wget is missing. wget has priority "important" in Debian, while curl is "optional". I don't think it makes much sense to tune the installation system for some weird distros no one actually use to build OpenWrt. Arch Linux is what I use to build OpenWrt. Arch users might catch the edge cases (notably the bleeding edge ones). Debian based systems tend to be more widespread than Arch ones, and running one or the other does not imply a more skilled user either way. Our wiki buildroot instructions seem to assume/favour a Debian-based system (that of course heavily depends on who wrote the entry) [1]. ... [1] https://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/buildroot.exigence That's the old (archived, read-only) wiki link. The new wiki article has no such favoring to Debian/buntu, and if you scroll down (in both articles actually) you find a list of CLI commands to install needed packages for most common distros. [1] In the Arch one there is also wget in the list of packages to download/install, so if the Arch user is following the documentation he should have wget in his system. [1] https://openwrt.org/docs/guide-developer/build-system/install-buildsystem -Alberto ___ Lede-dev mailing list Lede-dev@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-dev
Re: [LEDE-DEV] [PATCH] prereq-mk: Change wget dependency to curl one.
I'm going to wade in here as an 'outsider' as it were... and +1 to wget. Bjørn Mork wrote: Rosen Penev writes: On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 3:31 AM, Bjørn Mork wrote: Rosen Penev writes: curl is more common than GNU wget is. No. Yes. That shouldn't matter either way - both are available. How about throwing in an actual argument why you think it is? Or why it makes curl a better choice than e.g. firefox, which also is quite popular on the example systems you've mentioned. 100% valid point... how about lynx instead? :P For example, Cygwin, Arch Linux, and my android phone all come with curl by default whereas wget is missing. wget has priority "important" in Debian, while curl is "optional". I don't think it makes much sense to tune the installation system for some weird distros no one actually use to build OpenWrt. Arch Linux is what I use to build OpenWrt. OK, one user then. :) I've already made my case that curl is more common. No you have not. You have made an unsubstantiated claim. Please fix the Arch Linux defaults instead if this is a problem for you. As someone that still has a Slackware 1.0 disk I've been around for a while. Most of my systems are BSD based now so I have 'fetch' which has a functionality similar to wget, the non BSD based stuff is debian and centos (the latter of which I'm trying to dump with a vengeance.) I also install wget (not curl) where I need something extra mainly because of the default dependency list and that implies a lighter weight. Personally I like fetch and wget because you drop the command and url and you get a file, curl you have to switch or pipe to get a file... just laziness for me. Both are as good as each other in the long run, but I do believe unless there is any compelling reason why like security issues or something available using curl that is not available in wget - *that is required for building* - leave it the hell alone! Regards, Michelle -- Michelle Sullivan http://www.mhix.org/ ___ Lede-dev mailing list Lede-dev@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-dev
Re: [LEDE-DEV] [PATCH] prereq-mk: Change wget dependency to curl one.
Rosen Penev writes: > On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 3:31 AM, Bjørn Mork wrote: >> Rosen Penev writes: >> >>> curl is more common than GNU wget is. >> >> No. > Yes. How about throwing in an actual argument why you think it is? Or why it makes curl a better choice than e.g. firefox, which also is quite popular on the example systems you've mentioned. >>> For example, Cygwin, Arch Linux, and my android phone all come with >>> curl by default whereas wget is missing. >> >> wget has priority "important" in Debian, while curl is "optional". >> >> I don't think it makes much sense to tune the installation system for >> some weird distros no one actually use to build OpenWrt. > Arch Linux is what I use to build OpenWrt. OK, one user then. > I've already made my case that curl is more common. No you have not. You have made an unsubstantiated claim. Please fix the Arch Linux defaults instead if this is a problem for you. Bjørn ___ Lede-dev mailing list Lede-dev@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-dev
Re: [LEDE-DEV] [PATCH] prereq-mk: Change wget dependency to curl one.
Op za, 10 mrt 2018 om 7:03 , schreef Rosen Penev : On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 3:31 AM, Bjørn Mork wrote: Rosen Penev writes: curl is more common than GNU wget is. No. Yes. For example, Cygwin, Arch Linux, and my android phone all come with curl by default whereas wget is missing. wget has priority "important" in Debian, while curl is "optional". I don't think it makes much sense to tune the installation system for some weird distros no one actually use to build OpenWrt. Arch Linux is what I use to build OpenWrt. Arch users might catch the edge cases (notably the bleeding edge ones). Debian based systems tend to be more widespread than Arch ones, and running one or the other does not imply a more skilled user either way. Our wiki buildroot instructions seem to assume/favour a Debian-based system (that of course heavily depends on who wrote the entry) [1]. Distro/package management preferences aside, curl isn't mentioned at all on the buildroot wiki page. Wget is suggested as the tool of preference on *all* build platforms there (including Arch Linux). Look at the wider distro landscape: wget seems to be more prevalent. The Arch way isn't always the best way... Also: this has been brought up last year as well if I recall correctly. Same arguments were fielded. Stijn I've already made my case that curl is more common. The only issue would be if this commit would impact Debian or Ubuntu since they seem to be more common for building. Bjørn ___ Lede-dev mailing list Lede-dev@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-dev [1] https://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/buildroot.exigence ___ Lede-dev mailing list Lede-dev@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-dev
Re: [LEDE-DEV] [PATCH] prereq-mk: Change wget dependency to curl one.
On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 3:31 AM, Bjørn Mork wrote: > Rosen Penev writes: > >> curl is more common than GNU wget is. > > No. Yes. > >> For example, Cygwin, Arch Linux, and my android phone all come with >> curl by default whereas wget is missing. > > wget has priority "important" in Debian, while curl is "optional". > > I don't think it makes much sense to tune the installation system for > some weird distros no one actually use to build OpenWrt. Arch Linux is what I use to build OpenWrt. I've already made my case that curl is more common. The only issue would be if this commit would impact Debian or Ubuntu since they seem to be more common for building. > > > > Bjørn ___ Lede-dev mailing list Lede-dev@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-dev
Re: [LEDE-DEV] [PATCH] prereq-mk: Change wget dependency to curl one.
Rosen Penev writes: > curl is more common than GNU wget is. No. > For example, Cygwin, Arch Linux, and my android phone all come with > curl by default whereas wget is missing. wget has priority "important" in Debian, while curl is "optional". I don't think it makes much sense to tune the installation system for some weird distros no one actually use to build OpenWrt. Bjørn ___ Lede-dev mailing list Lede-dev@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-dev
