Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......

2011-09-21 Thread David Komadina
As an overseas lister who only gets to occasionally watch Leeds the most depressing thing for me that sank in last night , and you're on a similar track to me here , is how far behind the top of the PL we are. I can't believe we beat this side last time and had honourable losses to other PL

Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......

2011-09-21 Thread MarkBursa
Leeds needed to get themselves on the rich side of that gap, and Ridsdale saw that and gambled. But O Leary scuppered the plan, and the rest is tragic history. Eh How is O'Leary to blame for Ridsdale's financial idiocy? He didn't agree the ludicrous salaries that bankrupted the

Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......

2011-09-21 Thread MarkBursa
I have serious reservations about White Nunez. The former has speed and guts, but I fear lacks quality on the ball. I'm more convinced than ever that White is a left winger, not a full-back. But until we sign another decent left-back, he'll be doing the job he's doing, as he's the

Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......

2011-09-21 Thread Damian Walsh
For me, because of his poor buying decisions (irrespective of how much they cost us) and his poor man-management. We had a very large - but very lopsided - talent pool, that all of a sudden stopped performing and I for one think that O'Dreary is entirely responsible for that. Risdales' guilt is,

Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......

2011-09-21 Thread MarkBursa
Damian, it wouldn't have mattered if he'd cloned Don Revie from a fragment of bone and appointed him, with Alf Ramsey as his assistant and Alex Fergusion as tea boy. Ridsdale's ONLY crime is financial mismanagement verging on criminal. Our demise was NOTHING to do with the players, the

Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......

2011-09-21 Thread Tim Leslie
First of all Mark, I need to stress I'm not picking on you today!! ;-) BUT ... I do think there is a lot of credence in what Damien says. Looking back at that whole saga and the current state of clubs 'chasing the dream', the Ridsdale gamble was/is the only way to break the mould. Teams come and

Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......

2011-09-21 Thread MarkBursa
Tim, you need to get it into your head that Ridsdale's gamble could NEVER have worked!!! It's nothing to do with football - it's all to do with the economics of running a business. 95% of our turnover was accounted for by the wage bill. That leaves 5% to cover all other costs,

Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......

2011-09-21 Thread MarkBursa
O'Neill was lined up to replace Graham. He asked for more time to consider the offer. Meanwhile DOL did well as caretaker and Ridsdale decided to give him the job instead. MON would have come, but Ridsdale panicked. There was no replacement lined up for DOL. In fact Ridsdale gave him an

Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......

2011-09-21 Thread Paul Cundell
the Ridsdale gamble was/is the only way to break the mould. I agree, Tim, and the Ridsdale 'gamble', whilst foolish in hindsight, was founded on the naming rights of the 'new' stadium, which had 9/11 and the subsequent advertising recession, which killed ITV Digital, not happened would have

Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......

2011-09-21 Thread Dr. Michael Benjamin.
The day out at Majestyk was the point that buffeted us followed by the 3-4 loss to barcodes. Both DO'L fault. That lit the blue touch paper. Ridsdale put the gun powder down Sent from my iPhone. Dr Michael Benjamin. Community Psychiatrist. On 21 Sep 2011, at 14:59, Tim Leslie

Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......

2011-09-21 Thread MarkBursa
I agree, Tim, and the Ridsdale 'gamble', whilst foolish in hindsight, was founded on the naming rights of the 'new' stadium, which had 9/11 and the subsequent advertising recession, which killed ITV Digital, not happened would have led to us playing at the XBox stadium. IIRC the

Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......

2011-09-21 Thread MarkBursa
The day out at Majestyk was the point that buffeted us followed by the 3-4 loss to barcodes. Both DO'L fault. That lit the blue touch paper. Ridsdale put the gun powder down More comfort blanket stuff, Mike. Look at the accounts. It was a business failure, not a football failure.

Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......

2011-09-21 Thread Ian Murray
Didnt O'Neill formally turn us down? I seem to remember him having a press conference at Leicester saying he was staying there. Sent from my iPhone On 21 Sep 2011, at 13:18, markbu...@aol.com wrote: O'Neill was lined up to replace Graham. He asked for more time to consider the offer.

Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......

2011-09-21 Thread MarkBursa
Didnt O'Neill formally turn us down? I seem to remember him having a press conference at Leicester saying he was staying there. Yes, because Ridsdale wanted to make an appointment straight away. O'Neill wanted to come to Leeds - but wanted to leave Leicester in a dignified and

Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......

2011-09-21 Thread Dr. Michael Benjamin.
What I cannot fathom I'd how our debt was unmanageable yet smaller than most teams on the PL today. Sent from my iPhone. Dr Michael Benjamin. Community Psychiatrist. On 21 Sep 2011, at 15:35, markbu...@aol.com wrote: I agree, Tim, and the Ridsdale 'gamble', whilst foolish in

Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......

2011-09-21 Thread Dr. Michael Benjamin.
As I said why are others managing their debts. Put another way would Bates have gone under or bluffed cum bull shitted his way through? Sent from my iPhone. Dr Michael Benjamin. Community Psychiatrist. On 21 Sep 2011, at 15:37, markbu...@aol.com wrote: The day out at Majestyk was the

Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......

2011-09-21 Thread MarkBursa
What I cannot fathom I'd how our debt was unmanageable yet smaller than most teams on the PL today. Firstly, Ridsdale borrowed under very bad terms - punitive interest rates. Most clubs borrow long-term at low rates. Ridsdale effectively bought players at worse ratehs than your credit

Re: [LU] The most depressing thing about last night......

2011-09-21 Thread MarkBursa
As I said why are others managing their debts. Put another way would Bates have gone under or bluffed cum bull shitted his way through? Bates nearly did go under at Chelsea. But he had the value of Stamford Bridge to fall back on as security against his debts, and was able to locate a

[LU] The most depressing thing about last night......

2011-09-20 Thread Robert Heath
.not as a Leeds fan, so much as as a football fan: The fact that one club can keep so many quality players on their books (paying them astronomical sums no doubt), and rarely play them. Michael Owen probably earns more per week than all the 11 Leeds players. And also the other side of the