Re: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses

2011-09-27 Thread RICHARD SCHULTHIES
I have lost two of my computers/laptops to a hidden bug. One was found in a 
HTML sent by a friend to me. That person received it a day earlier, but didn't 
use his PC for a few days, then found he had it. His and about 40 computers 
died that week. You are right that bugs can hide in both HTMLs and webpages, 
but a webpage is (hopefully) protected better. In my e-mails (from other 
groups) I find suspect stuff.  My Norton finds anything I overlook, but I am 
always checking. And you are right Good security software (which everyone 
should have) will keep you as safe as reasonably possible  Some people don't. 
How do we isolate ourselves from them. We should be careful when downloading 
any HTML or web page, and especially the creator of same.
Rich in LA CA
 
From: Paul Gray grayp...@telus.net
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 12:45 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses

Sherry,

Everyone is entitled to block whatever they choose. But I believe those that 
suggest HTML is a security risk are overstating the case, to the point of being 
misleading.

As far as I know, there is *absolutely no difference* security wise from 
between a HTML e-mail (even with embedded graphics) and any run of the mill 
webpage. What is a web page -- it's HTML, almost always with graphics. Do 
those LUG'ers that block HTML never surf the web?

Good security software (which everyone should have) will keep you as safe as 
reasonably possible, regardless of whether one is viewing e-mail or webpages.

As I said, everyone is entitled to block whatever they want. However, I believe 
the assertions that HTML e-mails are a security risk, without pointing out that 
ordinary web pages present the identical risk, is downright misleading.

Paul Gray



-Original Message-
From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: September-26-11 1:03 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses

We even have very knowledgeable listers who block emails sent HTML or
RTF for security purposes. They get only emails that are sent in plain
text.

Personally, I think mailing lists and forums should all be restricted
to plain text only.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:21 AM, David C Abernathy
da...@schmeckabernathy.com wrote:

 On mailing list and forums, the post that use the “texting” style. I just 
 ignore them and do NOT provide help, even when I know the answer. Their lose, 
 but a good education would help these people.



 Thanks,
 David C Abernathy
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Re: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses

2011-09-27 Thread RICHARD SCHULTHIES
I believe my Verizon - Yahoo is set to send/receieve plain text Times New Roman 
14
Rich in LA CA

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Re: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses

2011-09-27 Thread Mike Fry
On 2011/09/27 09:44, RICHARD SCHULTHIES wrote:

 I believe my Verizon - Yahoo is set to send/receieve plain text Times New 
 Roman 14
 Rich in LA CA

No quite! Your message arrives here labelled as

'This is a multi-part message in MIME format'

The first part is encoded as
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=utf-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The second as
Content-Type: text/html;
charset=utf-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg


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RE: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses

2011-09-27 Thread Jan Roberts
Sorry Rich, but it seems to have come through as HTML.  I’ve changed it to 
Plain Text to reply.

Cheers
Jan
From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES [mailto:fourpa...@verizon.net]
Sent: Tuesday, 27 September 2011 17:45
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses

I believe my Verizon - Yahoo is set to send/receieve plain text Times New Roman 
14
Rich in LA CA

No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3921 - Release Date: 09/26/11


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Re: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses - NOT

2011-09-27 Thread Howlanddavisii
Ladies  Gentlemen:


The thread on GPS For Street Addresses was of interest to me.  But it 
was hijacked!  Someone, especially Support, should have changed the subject 
line.  I am tired of looking at emails titled GPS that have nothing to do with 
GPS.


Howland Davis


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Re: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses

2011-09-27 Thread Paula Ryburn
Sorry, Bob!  I'm over 50 myself and don't text on the phone, but I've always
abbreviated in emails.  Will try to watch myself here.
 --Paula in Texas
Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman
Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field
Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle
Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn
Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams






From: Bob Rowe rarthurr...@comcast.net
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Mon, September 26, 2011 10:24:24 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses


It took me a few seconds to figure out the TY in the beginning of your
message. I assume this is what is used in the world of texting.


I wish people would not use texting shortcuts on this list. Some of us old farts
have to work to figure out if it is a typo or if it really means something.


From: Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:43:04 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses

TY Richard and James for posting these examples.  snip

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Re: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses

2011-09-27 Thread Paula Ryburn
David, I have a BS in Chemistry and an MBA.  Good grief, I've never seen people
get this personal on this list.  Time out!
 --Paula in Texas
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Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle
Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn
Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams






From: David C Abernathy da...@schmeckabernathy.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Mon, September 26, 2011 1:21:47 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses


On mailing list and forums, the post that use the “texting” style. I just ignore
them and do NOT provide help, even when I know the answer. Their lose, but a
good education would help these people.
 
Thanks,
David C Abernathy
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Re: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses

2011-09-27 Thread Paula Ryburn
;) yes
 --Paula in Texas
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Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field
Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle
Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn
Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams




- Original Message 
From: James Cook jc1...@gmail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Mon, September 26, 2011 2:53:13 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses

Is it just me that sees humor in comments basing advancements since
roughly 1995 in a thread about GPS?


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Re: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses

2011-09-26 Thread Richard Van Wasshnova
I do locations as James does, however it looks like he was in a rush
to finish and meant to specify:

Los Angeles - Glen Haven cemetery, Los Angeles County, California, USA
 (Aunt #1)
Los Angeles-111 Easy Street, Los Angeles County, California, USA  (Aunt #2)
Los Angeles-Los Angeles Cemetery, Los Angeles County, California, USA
(generic LA location)

This way all 3 can be mapped separately (3 co-ordinate sets)

--
Richard Van Wasshnova


On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 1:03 PM, James Cook jc1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Welcome John,


 Generally, you get more value in Legacy from the former than you do
 for the latter.  As such, we (user community) have taken to making the
 location fields work to suit our research needs.  Some ignore the 4
 place system Legacy prompts for, and others (like myself) have tried
 to work within that system to get the sorting benefit within Legacy.
 So, to finally get to the answer of your question, it is suggested you
 enter your location something like the following...
 Los Angeles, Los Angeles County, California, USA (Aunt #1)
 Los Angeles-111 Easy Street, Los Angeles County, California, USA (Aunt #2)
 Los Angeles-Los Angeles Cemetery, Los Angeles County, California, USA
 etc.
 etc.


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Re: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses

2011-09-26 Thread Paula Ryburn
TY Richard and James for posting these examples.  In all my reading post on
locations vs. addresses, I had not seen these.  I like this approach and will
contemplate how to convert what I have (which is a hodge-podge
anyway).  Thanks again.

PS--Did the OP say aunt #1's cemetery is located in Los Angeles?
 --Paula in Texas
Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman
Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field
Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle
Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn
Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams




- Original Message 
From: Richard Van Wasshnova rfvanwasshn...@gmail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Mon, September 26, 2011 9:26:59 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses

I do locations as James does, however it looks like he was in a rush
to finish and meant to specify:

Los Angeles - Glen Haven cemetery, Los Angeles County, California, USA
(Aunt #1)
Los Angeles-111 Easy Street, Los Angeles County, California, USA  (Aunt #2)
Los Angeles-Los Angeles Cemetery, Los Angeles County, California, USA
(generic LA location)

This way all 3 can be mapped separately (3 co-ordinate sets)

--
Richard Van Wasshnova


On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 1:03 PM, James Cook jc1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Welcome John,


 Generally, you get more value in Legacy from the former than you do
 for the latter.  As such, we (user community) have taken to making the
 location fields work to suit our research needs.  Some ignore the 4
 place system Legacy prompts for, and others (like myself) have tried
 to work within that system to get the sorting benefit within Legacy.
 So, to finally get to the answer of your question, it is suggested you
 enter your location something like the following...
 Los Angeles, Los Angeles County, California, USA (Aunt #1)
 Los Angeles-111 Easy Street, Los Angeles County, California, USA (Aunt #2)
 Los Angeles-Los Angeles Cemetery, Los Angeles County, California, USA
 etc.
 etc.


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Re: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses

2011-09-26 Thread Bob Rowe
It took me a few seconds to figure out the TY in the beginning of your 
message. I assume this is what is used in the world of texting.


I wish people would not use texting shortcuts on this list. Some of us old 
farts have to work to figure out if it is a typo or if it really means 
something.

- Original Message -
From: Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:43:04 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses

TY Richard and James for posting these examples. In all my reading post on
locations vs. addresses, I had not seen these. I like this approach and will
contemplate how to convert what I have (which is a hodge-podge
anyway). Thanks again.

PS--Did the OP say aunt #1's cemetery is located in Los Angeles?
--Paula in Texas
Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman
Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field
Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle
Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn
Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams







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Re: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses

2011-09-26 Thread robert coburn
Also for those of us that are visually impared, small text and blue colored
font.


- Original Message -
From: Bob Rowe
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses


It took me a few seconds to figure out the TY in the beginning of your
message. I assume this is what is used in the world of texting.


I wish people would not use texting shortcuts on this list. Some of us old
farts have to work to figure out if it is a typo or if it really means
something.



From: Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:43:04 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses

TY Richard and James for posting these examples.  In all my reading post on
locations vs. addresses, I had not seen these.  I like this approach and
will
contemplate how to convert what I have (which is a hodge-podge
anyway).  Thanks again.

PS--Did the OP say aunt #1's cemetery is located in Los Angeles?
 --Paula in Texas
Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman
Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field
Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes
Hurdle
Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche
Ryburn
Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams








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Re: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses

2011-09-26 Thread Sherry/Support
We even have very knowledgeable listers who block emails sent HTML or
RTF for security purposes. They get only emails that are sent in plain
text.

Personally, I think mailing lists and forums should all be restricted
to plain text only.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:21 AM, David C Abernathy
da...@schmeckabernathy.com wrote:

 On mailing list and forums, the post that use the “texting” style. I just 
 ignore them and do NOT provide help, even when I know the answer. Their lose, 
 but a good education would help these people.



 Thanks,
 David C Abernathy
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Re: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses

2011-09-26 Thread James Cook
Is it just me that sees humor in comments basing advancements since
roughly 1995 in a thread about GPS?


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RE: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses

2011-09-26 Thread Paul Gray
Sherry,

Everyone is entitled to block whatever they choose. But I believe those that 
suggest HTML is a security risk are overstating the case, to the point of being 
misleading.

As far as I know, there is *absolutely no difference* security wise from 
between a HTML e-mail (even with embedded graphics) and any run of the mill 
webpage. What is a web page -- it's HTML, almost always with graphics. Do 
those LUG'ers that block HTML never surf the web?

Good security software (which everyone should have) will keep you as safe as 
reasonably possible, regardless of whether one is viewing e-mail or webpages.

As I said, everyone is entitled to block whatever they want. However, I believe 
the assertions that HTML e-mails are a security risk, without pointing out that 
ordinary web pages present the identical risk, is downright misleading.

Paul Gray



-Original Message-
From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: September-26-11 1:03 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses

We even have very knowledgeable listers who block emails sent HTML or
RTF for security purposes. They get only emails that are sent in plain
text.

Personally, I think mailing lists and forums should all be restricted
to plain text only.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:21 AM, David C Abernathy
da...@schmeckabernathy.com wrote:

 On mailing list and forums, the post that use the “texting” style. I just 
 ignore them and do NOT provide help, even when I know the answer. Their lose, 
 but a good education would help these people.



 Thanks,
 David C Abernathy
 Email disclaimers



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Re: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses

2011-09-26 Thread Jenny M Benson
On 26/09/2011 20:02, Sherry/Support wrote:
 We even have very knowledgeable listers who block emails sent HTML or
 RTF for security purposes. They get only emails that are sent in plain
 text.

 Personally, I think mailing lists and forums should all be restricted
 to plain text only.

So do I, but at least I have my e-mail program set to display all
e-mails as Plain Text so odd fonts and coloured backgrounds are no
problem.  Any decent e-mail program should be able to display messages
in Plain Text.

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Re: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses

2011-09-26 Thread Mike Fry
On 2011/09/26 21:45, Paul Gray wrote:

 As far as I know, there is*absolutely no difference*  security wise from
 between a HTML e-mail (even with embedded graphics) and any run of the mill
 webpage. What is a web page --  it's HTML, almost always with graphics. Do
 those LUG'ers that block HTML never surf the web?

HTML can have 'nasties' embedded in it. How do you think people's machines get
hacked? With normal web pages, we usually know what we're letting ourselves in
for. With stuff embedded in an HTML email, there is no such guarantee.

Windows will, if instructed by code within the HTML, run something that it may
nor be authorised to run. Result - PC potentially hacked. So, be a good netizen
and think about the rest of the world.

--
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Mike Fry
Johannesburg


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Re: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses

2011-09-26 Thread Mike Fry
On 2011/09/27 00:01, Jenny M Benson wrote:

 So do I, but at least I have my e-mail program set to display all
 e-mails as Plain Text so odd fonts and coloured backgrounds are no
 problem.  Any decent e-mail program should be able to display messages
 in Plain Text.

But how many users actually use a 'decent' email program? Most users only use
the web-based mail offerings: Gmail, Yahoo etc.

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Johannesburg


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Re: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses

2011-09-26 Thread Sherry/Support
Ok... enough discussion about email format and programs

Suffice to say, there are the list rules of no attachments (which
includes embedding graphics inline).

The rule for no HTML was lifted so it's ok but it's still preferable
to send emails in plain text, not only for security but also to
respect the listers who are on limited bandwidth (HTML emails are
larger) and those who wish to block HTML.

I have yet to find an email program which doesn't allow plain
text. even web mail.  It might take some digging but it's there.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
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RE: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses

2011-09-26 Thread Paul Gray
Mike,

You said:

With normal web pages, we usually know what we're letting ourselves in
for. With stuff embedded in an HTML email, there is no such guarantee.

I must disagree. My point is that your risk in an HTML e-mail is *identical*, 
no more, no less, to a webpage. Are people who post webpages bad 'netizens'?

Paul Gray








-Original Message-
From: Mike Fry [mailto:mike...@iafrica.com]
Sent: September-26-11 4:25 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] GPS for street addresses

On 2011/09/26 21:45, Paul Gray wrote:

 As far as I know, there is*absolutely no difference*  security wise from
 between a HTML e-mail (even with embedded graphics) and any run of the mill
 webpage. What is a web page --  it's HTML, almost always with graphics. Do
 those LUG'ers that block HTML never surf the web?

HTML can have 'nasties' embedded in it. How do you think people's machines get
hacked? With normal web pages, we usually know what we're letting ourselves in
for. With stuff embedded in an HTML email, there is no such guarantee.

Windows will, if instructed by code within the HTML, run something that it may
nor be authorised to run. Result - PC potentially hacked. So, be a good netizen
and think about the rest of the world.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg


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