Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information

[Chris Hill]

Hi Cathy

I can understand that, and it looks most of the users do the same.

But then I am a perfectionist and expect software to work that I 
would have written it.


Also interesting, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 
extended the GEDCOM standard in V5.3 to include the ADDR tag. It appears 
that was done because people were extending the location held in the 
PLAC tag to hold more than the location of a place, which should only 
include the 'jurisdictional entities' which identify it. ADDR was added 
to cover street address and other related data.


Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Cathy Pinner" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 24/07/2018 01:58:46
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information


Chris,

The many of the deficiencies of the Event Addresses in Legacy are 
logged as is the need for more integration between Location and 
Address.

Until that is changed, I'll continue not using Event Addresses.

I know some people use Town - Church or cemetery, etc for their 
location.

I don't like that any better in terms of output.
But I don't look at a whole list of St Mary's in the Location List 
because I SORT the list Right to Left.


It's your choice if you don't like having buildings in the Location 
Index.


Note if you enter Event Address Notes, they are not able to be 
outputted anywhere. On the other hand, Location Notes can be seen both 
in Location Reports and in Location Indexes.


Cathy

Jane Linkswiler wrote:


Me, too. I don’t put previous home addresses there but business…yes.
All my cemeteries, churches for events but, who knew, when you add map
coordinates, unless you are in edit mode, it creates a whole new 
address!


Jane in Phoenix

*From:* LegacyUserGroup  *On
Behalf Of *Roberta Schwalm
*Sent:* Monday, July 23, 2018 6:36 AM
*To:* legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information

I have always put the name of the Church where the baptism or marriage
took place.  I also enter the name of the cemetery where
burial/inurnment took place.  I have always thought that it was the
simplest way to go.

Roberta

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 7:27 AM Chris Hill
mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

Hi Cathy

That was pretty well what I had suspected. It almost seems
that the developers only built half of the system with dealing
with locations/places vs addresses, or just added addresses as a
later extension.

I started using the locations to locate a physical area such
as a Village or Town / / County / Country (being UK based and
based on the GeoLocation list), with occasional extensions to add
further sub-units, such as Hatcham, New Cross, , Surrey, England
where Hatcham, Surrey would be misleading.

I then started finding references to churches, as in baptisms
and marriages, and started adding those to the location list, and
my current locations list is around 2500 entries, of which 200 or
so start with St church / location. I rather suspect that this is
what most users do. But this started to become more complex,
especially as those entries were included in the Location index in
reports at the building level.

So I then started looking at the Address fields, which happily
show up as an icon on the marriage and events, or as Address..
option against birth, baptism, death and buried entries. Now, as I
am working through my database, I am moving all of the entries in
Location that refer to a building, or vessel, into the Address
entries, where I can be specific to the building or church by
street and location. Currently I have nearly 500 churches, or
equivalent, and more than 100 other addresses. The reverse is that
I have removed many of those from the Locations list since they
map to a single location.

My feeling is that I am working the 'right' way to record
Addresses as being different from Locations. but that the system,
while supporting both, does not have sufficient support for
addresses or integration between addresses and locations.

Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --

From: "Cathy Pinner" <mailto:genea...@gmail.com>>


To: "Legacy User Group" mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>>

Sent: 23/07/2018 03:28:57

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information

Chris,

Searching on Marriage Address isn't available.

I think the only thing you can do is work from the Master List
for Event Addresses (View - Master Lists - Addresses - Event)
and the Show List options there.

OR, as you say, go direct to the Access database and use SQL
since you appear to know how. So long as you make a backup
before you do this, you can always recover if you don't get it
right.

Put in a suggestion to include Addres

Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information

[sarrazingeorges]

I use parentheses after the name of the city\village for churches. This way,
I keep together all the churches from the same city. I also determine the
exact GPS location of every church.

 

Georges

 



 

De : LegacyUserGroup  De la part de
Jane Linkswiler
Envoyé : 24 juillet 2018 02:29
À : 'Legacy User Group' 
Objet : Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information

 

Great idea!!!

 

From: LegacyUserGroup mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> > On Behalf Of CE WOOD
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:01 AM
To: Legacy User Group mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> >
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information

 

Your plethora of "St. Church" locations is easily solved by putting the Town
first - "Bamburgh Church of St. Mary" or "Bamburgh St. Mary's Church".

 

That also keeps report indices sorted by town.

 

 

CE

 

  _  

From: LegacyUserGroup mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> > on behalf of Chris Hill
mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com> >
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:26 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information 

 

Hi Cathy

 

That was pretty well what I had suspected. It almost seems that the
developers only built half of the system with dealing with locations/places
vs addresses, or just added addresses as a later extension.

 

I started using the locations to locate a physical area such as a
Village or Town / / County / Country (being UK based and based on the
GeoLocation list), with occasional extensions to add further sub-units, such
as Hatcham, New Cross, , Surrey, England where Hatcham, Surrey would be
misleading. 

 

I then started finding references to churches, as in baptisms and
marriages, and started adding those to the location list, and my current
locations list is around 2500 entries, of which 200 or so start with St
church / location. I rather suspect that this is what most users do. But
this started to become more complex, especially as those entries were
included in the Location index in reports at the building level.

 

So I then started looking at the Address fields, which happily show up
as an icon on the marriage and events, or as Address.. option against birth,
baptism, death and buried entries. Now, as I am working through my database,
I am moving all of the entries in Location that refer to a building, or
vessel, into the Address entries, where I can be specific to the building or
church by street and location. Currently I have nearly 500 churches, or
equivalent, and more than 100 other addresses. The reverse is that I have
removed many of those from the Locations list since they map to a single
location.

 

My feeling is that I am working the 'right' way to record Addresses as
being different from Locations. but that the system, while supporting both,
does not have sufficient support for addresses or integration between
addresses and locations.

 

Regards

 

Chris

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Cathy Pinner" mailto:genea...@gmail.com> >

To: "Legacy User Group" mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> >

Sent: 23/07/2018 03:28:57

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information

 

Chris,

Searching on Marriage Address isn't available.

 

I think the only thing you can do is work from the Master List for Event
Addresses (View - Master Lists - Addresses - Event) and the Show List
options there.

 

OR, as you say, go direct to the Access database and use SQL since you
appear to know how. So long as you make a backup before you do this, you can
always recover if you don't get it right.

 

Put in a suggestion to include Addresses in the Search options for Marriage.

 

;) I don't use Event Addresses in Legacy. The tools for Locations are far
better.

Because I don't use them, I rarely think of asking for them to be improved.
I leave that to those that do use them.

Nothing I do depends on keeping to the artificial 4 location field idea
(which works for most USA locations but not for those in Australia or
England where the majority of my research is) so I enter locations from
smallest unit to country and sort the location list right to left.

 

Cathy

 

Chris Hill <mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com>

Sunday, 22 July 2018 11:29 PM

Hi Jenny

 

No, that does not work and gives very odd responses. The problem is that
I need to look at the Addresses with the small house icon and not at the
Place of the event or marriage.

 

Regards

 

Chris

 

Jenny M Benson <mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk>

Sunday, 22 July 2018 10:23 PM

 

I don't think I'm quite sure exactly what you want to search for, but will
searching for a Marriage with Marriage Place empty AND a secondary condition
of Marriage with Marriage Event-Place not empty do what you need?

Chris Hill <mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com>

Sunday, 22 July 2018 9:47 PM

Where necessary, usually for baptism, death and mar

Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information

[Jane Linkswiler]

Great idea!!!

 

From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of
CE WOOD
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:01 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information

 

Your plethora of "St. Church" locations is easily solved by putting the Town
first - "Bamburgh Church of St. Mary" or "Bamburgh St. Mary's Church".

 

That also keeps report indices sorted by town.

 

 

CE

 

  _  

From: LegacyUserGroup mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> > on behalf of Chris Hill
mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com> >
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:26 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information 

 

Hi Cathy

 

That was pretty well what I had suspected. It almost seems that the
developers only built half of the system with dealing with locations/places
vs addresses, or just added addresses as a later extension.

 

I started using the locations to locate a physical area such as a
Village or Town / / County / Country (being UK based and based on the
GeoLocation list), with occasional extensions to add further sub-units, such
as Hatcham, New Cross, , Surrey, England where Hatcham, Surrey would be
misleading. 

 

I then started finding references to churches, as in baptisms and
marriages, and started adding those to the location list, and my current
locations list is around 2500 entries, of which 200 or so start with St
church / location. I rather suspect that this is what most users do. But
this started to become more complex, especially as those entries were
included in the Location index in reports at the building level.

 

So I then started looking at the Address fields, which happily show up
as an icon on the marriage and events, or as Address.. option against birth,
baptism, death and buried entries. Now, as I am working through my database,
I am moving all of the entries in Location that refer to a building, or
vessel, into the Address entries, where I can be specific to the building or
church by street and location. Currently I have nearly 500 churches, or
equivalent, and more than 100 other addresses. The reverse is that I have
removed many of those from the Locations list since they map to a single
location.

 

My feeling is that I am working the 'right' way to record Addresses as
being different from Locations. but that the system, while supporting both,
does not have sufficient support for addresses or integration between
addresses and locations.

 

Regards

 

Chris

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Cathy Pinner" mailto:genea...@gmail.com> >

To: "Legacy User Group" mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> >

Sent: 23/07/2018 03:28:57

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information

 

Chris,

Searching on Marriage Address isn't available.

 

I think the only thing you can do is work from the Master List for Event
Addresses (View - Master Lists - Addresses - Event) and the Show List
options there.

 

OR, as you say, go direct to the Access database and use SQL since you
appear to know how. So long as you make a backup before you do this, you can
always recover if you don't get it right.

 

Put in a suggestion to include Addresses in the Search options for Marriage.

 

;) I don't use Event Addresses in Legacy. The tools for Locations are far
better.

Because I don't use them, I rarely think of asking for them to be improved.
I leave that to those that do use them.

Nothing I do depends on keeping to the artificial 4 location field idea
(which works for most USA locations but not for those in Australia or
England where the majority of my research is) so I enter locations from
smallest unit to country and sort the location list right to left.

 

Cathy

 

Chris Hill <mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com>

Sunday, 22 July 2018 11:29 PM

Hi Jenny

 

No, that does not work and gives very odd responses. The problem is that
I need to look at the Addresses with the small house icon and not at the
Place of the event or marriage.

 

Regards

 

Chris

 

Jenny M Benson <mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk>

Sunday, 22 July 2018 10:23 PM

 

I don't think I'm quite sure exactly what you want to search for, but will
searching for a Marriage with Marriage Place empty AND a secondary condition
of Marriage with Marriage Event-Place not empty do what you need?

Chris Hill <mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com>

Sunday, 22 July 2018 9:47 PM

Where necessary, usually for baptism, death and marriages, I normally
place the location of the church etc. into the corresponding fields in the
individual or the marriage, and for marriages I also place them into events
for marriage banns and witnesses. This then means that if I enable it in the
reports I will get the (address text) in the report, which I can control as
required.

 

My problem is that I have found that I may have missed putting the
addresses on marriage itself, but have put them on the marriage even

Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information

[Cathy Pinner]

Chris,

The many of the deficiencies of the Event Addresses in Legacy are logged 
as is the need for more integration between Location and Address.

Until that is changed, I'll continue not using Event Addresses.

I know some people use Town - Church or cemetery, etc for their location.
I don't like that any better in terms of output.
But I don't look at a whole list of St Mary's in the Location List 
because I SORT the list Right to Left.


It's your choice if you don't like having buildings in the Location Index.

Note if you enter Event Address Notes, they are not able to be outputted 
anywhere. On the other hand, Location Notes can be seen both in Location 
Reports and in Location Indexes.


Cathy

Jane Linkswiler wrote:


Me, too. I don’t put previous home addresses there but business…yes.
All my cemeteries, churches for events but, who knew, when you add map
coordinates, unless you are in edit mode, it creates a whole new address!

Jane in Phoenix

*From:* LegacyUserGroup  *On
Behalf Of *Roberta Schwalm
*Sent:* Monday, July 23, 2018 6:36 AM
*To:* legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information

I have always put the name of the Church where the baptism or marriage
took place.  I also enter the name of the cemetery where
burial/inurnment took place.  I have always thought that it was the
simplest way to go.

Roberta

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 7:27 AM Chris Hill
mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

    Hi Cathy

        That was pretty well what I had suspected. It almost seems
    that the developers only built half of the system with dealing
    with locations/places vs addresses, or just added addresses as a
    later extension.

        I started using the locations to locate a physical area such
    as a Village or Town / / County / Country (being UK based and
    based on the GeoLocation list), with occasional extensions to add
    further sub-units, such as Hatcham, New Cross, , Surrey, England
    where Hatcham, Surrey would be misleading.

    I then started finding references to churches, as in baptisms
    and marriages, and started adding those to the location list, and
    my current locations list is around 2500 entries, of which 200 or
    so start with St church / location. I rather suspect that this is
    what most users do. But this started to become more complex,
    especially as those entries were included in the Location index in
    reports at the building level.

        So I then started looking at the Address fields, which happily
    show up as an icon on the marriage and events, or as Address..
    option against birth, baptism, death and buried entries. Now, as I
    am working through my database, I am moving all of the entries in
    Location that refer to a building, or vessel, into the Address
    entries, where I can be specific to the building or church by
    street and location. Currently I have nearly 500 churches, or
    equivalent, and more than 100 other addresses. The reverse is that
    I have removed many of those from the Locations list since they
    map to a single location.

        My feeling is that I am working the 'right' way to record
    Addresses as being different from Locations. but that the system,
    while supporting both, does not have sufficient support for
    addresses or integration between addresses and locations.

    Regards

    Chris

    -- Original Message --

    From: "Cathy Pinner" mailto:genea...@gmail.com>>

    To: "Legacy User Group" mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>>

    Sent: 23/07/2018 03:28:57

    Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information

    Chris,

    Searching on Marriage Address isn't available.

    I think the only thing you can do is work from the Master List
    for Event Addresses (View - Master Lists - Addresses - Event)
    and the Show List options there.

    OR, as you say, go direct to the Access database and use SQL
    since you appear to know how. So long as you make a backup
    before you do this, you can always recover if you don't get it
    right.

    Put in a suggestion to include Addresses in the Search options
    for Marriage.

    ;) I don't use Event Addresses in Legacy. The tools for
    Locations are far better.

    Because I don't use them, I rarely think of asking for them to
    be improved. I leave that to those that do use them.

    Nothing I do depends on keeping to the artificial 4 location
    field idea (which works for most USA locations but not for
    those in Australia or England where the majority of my
    research is) so I enter locations from smallest unit to
    country and sort the location list right to left.

    Cathy

    Chris Hill <mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com
    <mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com>>

    S

Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information

[Jane Linkswiler]

Me, too. I don’t put previous home addresses there but business…yes. All my 
cemeteries, churches for events but, who knew, when you add map coordinates, 
unless you are in edit mode, it creates a whole new address!

 

Jane in Phoenix

 

From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Roberta Schwalm
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 6:36 AM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information

 

I have always put the name of the Church where the baptism or marriage took 
place.  I also enter the name of the cemetery where burial/inurnment took 
place.  I have always thought that it was the simplest way to go.

 

Roberta

 

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 7:27 AM Chris Hill mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Cathy

 

That was pretty well what I had suspected. It almost seems that the 
developers only built half of the system with dealing with locations/places vs 
addresses, or just added addresses as a later extension.

 

I started using the locations to locate a physical area such as a Village 
or Town / / County / Country (being UK based and based on the GeoLocation 
list), with occasional extensions to add further sub-units, such as Hatcham, 
New Cross, , Surrey, England where Hatcham, Surrey would be misleading. 

 

I then started finding references to churches, as in baptisms and 
marriages, and started adding those to the location list, and my current 
locations list is around 2500 entries, of which 200 or so start with St church 
/ location. I rather suspect that this is what most users do. But this started 
to become more complex, especially as those entries were included in the 
Location index in reports at the building level.

 

So I then started looking at the Address fields, which happily show up as 
an icon on the marriage and events, or as Address.. option against birth, 
baptism, death and buried entries. Now, as I am working through my database, I 
am moving all of the entries in Location that refer to a building, or vessel, 
into the Address entries, where I can be specific to the building or church by 
street and location. Currently I have nearly 500 churches, or equivalent, and 
more than 100 other addresses. The reverse is that I have removed many of those 
from the Locations list since they map to a single location.

 

My feeling is that I am working the 'right' way to record Addresses as 
being different from Locations. but that the system, while supporting both, 
does not have sufficient support for addresses or integration between addresses 
and locations.

 

Regards

 

Chris

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Cathy Pinner" mailto:genea...@gmail.com> >

To: "Legacy User Group" mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> >

Sent: 23/07/2018 03:28:57

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information

 

Chris,

Searching on Marriage Address isn't available.

 

I think the only thing you can do is work from the Master List for Event 
Addresses (View - Master Lists - Addresses - Event) and the Show List options 
there.

 

OR, as you say, go direct to the Access database and use SQL since you appear 
to know how. So long as you make a backup before you do this, you can always 
recover if you don't get it right.

 

Put in a suggestion to include Addresses in the Search options for Marriage.

 

;) I don't use Event Addresses in Legacy. The tools for Locations are far 
better.

Because I don't use them, I rarely think of asking for them to be improved. I 
leave that to those that do use them.

Nothing I do depends on keeping to the artificial 4 location field idea (which 
works for most USA locations but not for those in Australia or England where 
the majority of my research is) so I enter locations from smallest unit to 
country and sort the location list right to left.

 

Cathy

 

Chris Hill <mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com 
<mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com> >

Sunday, 22 July 2018 11:29 PM

Hi Jenny

 

No, that does not work and gives very odd responses. The problem is that I 
need to look at the Addresses with the small house icon and not at the Place of 
the event or marriage.

 

Regards

 

Chris

 

Jenny M Benson <mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk <mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk> >

Sunday, 22 July 2018 10:23 PM

 

I don't think I'm quite sure exactly what you want to search for, but will 
searching for a Marriage with Marriage Place empty AND a secondary condition of 
Marriage with Marriage Event-Place not empty do what you need?

Chris Hill <mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com 
<mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com> >

Sunday, 22 July 2018 9:47 PM

Where necessary, usually for baptism, death and marriages, I normally place 
the location of the church etc. into the corresponding fields in the individual 
or the marriage, and for marriages I also place them into events for marriage 
banns and witnesses. This then means that if I enable i

Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information

[Ronald E Howell via LegacyUserGroup]

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From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of CE WOOD
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 12:01 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information

 

Your plethora of "St. Church" locations is easily solved by putting the Town
first - "Bamburgh Church of St. Mary" or "Bamburgh St. Mary's Church".

 

That also keeps report indices sorted by town.

 

 

CE

 

  _  

From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of
Chris Hill 
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:26 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information 

 

Hi Cathy

 

That was pretty well what I had suspected. It almost seems that the
developers only built half of the system with dealing with locations/places
vs addresses, or just added addresses as a later extension.

 

I started using the locations to locate a physical area such as a
Village or Town / / County / Country (being UK based and based on the
GeoLocation list), with occasional extensions to add further sub-units, such
as Hatcham, New Cross, , Surrey, England where Hatcham, Surrey would be
misleading. 

 

I then started finding references to churches, as in baptisms and
marriages, and started adding those to the location list, and my current
locations list is around 2500 entries, of which 200 or so start with St
church / location. I rather suspect that this is what most users do. But
this started to become more complex, especially as those entries were
included in the Location index in reports at the building level.

 

So I then started looking at the Address fields, which happily show up
as an icon on the marriage and events, or as Address.. option against birth,
baptism, death and buried entries. Now, as I am working through my database,
I am moving all of the entries in Location that refer to a building, or
vessel, into the Address entries, where I can be specific to the building or
church by street and location. Currently I have nearly 500 churches, or
equivalent, and more than 100 other addresses. The reverse is that I have
removed many of those from the Locations list since they map to a single
location.

 

My feeling is that I am working the 'right' way to record Addresses as
being different from Locations. but that the system, while supporting both,
does not have sufficient support for addresses or integration between
addresses and locations.

 

Regards

 

Chris

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Cathy Pinner" 

To: "Legacy User Group" 

Sent: 23/07/2018 03:28:57

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information

 

Chris,

Searching on Marriage Address isn't available.

 

I think the only thing you can do is work from the Master List for Event
Addresses (View - Master Lists - Addresses - Event) and the Show List
options there.

 

OR, as you say, go direct to the Access database and use SQL since you
appear to know how. So long as you make a backup before you do this, you can
always recover if you don't get it right.

 

Put in a suggestion to include Addresses in the Search options for Marriage.

 

;) I don't use Event Addresses in Legacy. The tools for Locations are far
better.

Because I don't use them, I rarely think of asking for them to be improved.
I leave that to those that do use them.

Nothing I do depends on keeping to the artificial 4 location field idea
(which works for most USA locations but not for those in Australia or
England where the majority of my research is) so I enter locations from
smallest unit to country and sort the location list right to left.

 

Cathy

 

Chris Hill <mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com>

Sunday, 22 July 2018 11:29 PM

Hi Jenny

 

No, that does not work and gives very odd responses The problem is that
I need to look at the Addresses with the small house icon and not at the
Place of the event or marriage.

 

Regards

 

Chris

 

Jenny M Benson <mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk>

Sunday, 22 July 2018 10:23 PM

 

I don't think I'm quite sure exactly what you want to search for, but will
searching for a Marriage with Marriage Place empty AND a secondary condition
of Marriage with Marriage Event-Place not empty do what you need?

Chris Hill <mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com>

Sunday, 22 July 2018 9:47 PM

Where necessary, usually for baptism, 

Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information

[CE WOOD]

Your plethora of "St. Church" locations is easily solved by putting the Town 
first - "Bamburgh Church of St. Mary" or "Bamburgh St. Mary's Church".


That also keeps report indices sorted by town.



CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Chris Hill 
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:26 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information

Hi Cathy

That was pretty well what I had suspected. It almost seems that the 
developers only built half of the system with dealing with locations/places vs 
addresses, or just added addresses as a later extension.

I started using the locations to locate a physical area such as a Village 
or Town / / County / Country (being UK based and based on the GeoLocation 
list), with occasional extensions to add further sub-units, such as Hatcham, 
New Cross, , Surrey, England where Hatcham, Surrey would be misleading.

I then started finding references to churches, as in baptisms and 
marriages, and started adding those to the location list, and my current 
locations list is around 2500 entries, of which 200 or so start with St church 
/ location. I rather suspect that this is what most users do. But this started 
to become more complex, especially as those entries were included in the 
Location index in reports at the building level.

So I then started looking at the Address fields, which happily show up as 
an icon on the marriage and events, or as Address.. option against birth, 
baptism, death and buried entries. Now, as I am working through my database, I 
am moving all of the entries in Location that refer to a building, or vessel, 
into the Address entries, where I can be specific to the building or church by 
street and location. Currently I have nearly 500 churches, or equivalent, and 
more than 100 other addresses. The reverse is that I have removed many of those 
from the Locations list since they map to a single location.

My feeling is that I am working the 'right' way to record Addresses as 
being different from Locations. but that the system, while supporting both, 
does not have sufficient support for addresses or integration between addresses 
and locations.

Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Cathy Pinner" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 23/07/2018 03:28:57
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information

Chris,
Searching on Marriage Address isn't available.

I think the only thing you can do is work from the Master List for Event 
Addresses (View - Master Lists - Addresses - Event) and the Show List options 
there.

OR, as you say, go direct to the Access database and use SQL since you appear 
to know how. So long as you make a backup before you do this, you can always 
recover if you don't get it right.

Put in a suggestion to include Addresses in the Search options for Marriage.

;) I don't use Event Addresses in Legacy. The tools for Locations are far 
better.
Because I don't use them, I rarely think of asking for them to be improved. I 
leave that to those that do use them.
Nothing I do depends on keeping to the artificial 4 location field idea (which 
works for most USA locations but not for those in Australia or England where 
the majority of my research is) so I enter locations from smallest unit to 
country and sort the location list right to left.

Cathy

Chris Hill <mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com>
Sunday, 22 July 2018 11:29 PM
Hi Jenny

No, that does not work and gives very odd responses. The problem is that I 
need to look at the Addresses with the small house icon and not at the Place of 
the event or marriage.

Regards

Chris

Jenny M Benson <mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk>
Sunday, 22 July 2018 10:23 PM

I don't think I'm quite sure exactly what you want to search for, but will 
searching for a Marriage with Marriage Place empty AND a secondary condition of 
Marriage with Marriage Event-Place not empty do what you need?
Chris Hill <mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com>
Sunday, 22 July 2018 9:47 PM
Where necessary, usually for baptism, death and marriages, I normally place 
the location of the church etc. into the corresponding fields in the individual 
or the marriage, and for marriages I also place them into events for marriage 
banns and witnesses. This then means that if I enable it in the reports I will 
get the (address text) in the report, which I can control as required.

My problem is that I have found that I may have missed putting the 
addresses on marriage itself, but have put them on the marriage events. What I 
cannot find is a search or report that will identify this condition, and not 
even one that will list the addresses listed on the marriages and their events 
so that I can locate those that I need to fix, and I have 3500 marriages in my 
database.

I could probably fix it will a single SQL statement against the database, 
but don't really want to try that

Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information

[Jill’s Genealogy]

I use the address of the event for the event and the address of the repository 
for where the record is held at the time I recorded the event. 

Warmest Regards,
Jill Baty

> On Jul 23, 2018, at 8:36 AM, Roberta Schwalm  wrote:
> 
> I have always put the name of the Church where the baptism or marriage took 
> place.  I also enter the name of the cemetery where burial/inurnment took 
> place.  I have always thought that it was the simplest way to go.
> 
> Roberta
> 
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 7:27 AM Chris Hill  
>> wrote:
>> Hi Cathy
>> 
>> That was pretty well what I had suspected It almost seems that the 
>> developers only built half of the system with dealing with locations/places 
>> vs addresses, or just added addresses as a later extension.
>> 
>> I started using the locations to locate a physical area such as a 
>> Village or Town / / County / Country (being UK based and based on the 
>> GeoLocation list), with occasional extensions to add further sub-units, such 
>> as Hatcham, New Cross, , Surrey, England where Hatcham, Surrey would be 
>> misleading. 
>> 
>> I then started finding references to churches, as in baptisms and 
>> marriages, and started adding those to the location list, and my current 
>> locations list is around 2500 entries, of which 200 or so start with St 
>> church / location. I rather suspect that this is what most users do. But 
>> this started to become more complex, especially as those entries were 
>> included in the Location index in reports at the building level.
>> 
>> So I then started looking at the Address fields, which happily show up 
>> as an icon on the marriage and events, or as Address.. option against birth, 
>> baptism, death and buried entries. Now, as I am working through my database, 
>> I am moving all of the entries in Location that refer to a building, or 
>> vessel, into the Address entries, where I can be specific to the building or 
>> church by street and location. Currently I have nearly 500 churches, or 
>> equivalent, and more than 100 other addresses. The reverse is that I have 
>> removed many of those from the Locations list since they map to a single 
>> location.
>> 
>> My feeling is that I am working the 'right' way to record Addresses as 
>> being different from Locations. but that the system, while supporting both, 
>> does not have sufficient support for addresses or integration between 
>> addresses and locations.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Cathy Pinner" 
>> To: "Legacy User Group" 
>> Sent: 23/07/2018 03:28:57
>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information
>> 
>>> Chris,
>>> Searching on Marriage Address isn't available.
>>>  
>>> I think the only thing you can do is work from the Master List for Event 
>>> Addresses (View - Master Lists - Addresses - Event) and the Show List 
>>> options there.
>>>  
>>> OR, as you say, go direct to the Access database and use SQL since you 
>>> appear to know how. So long as you make a backup before you do this, you 
>>> can always recover if you don't get it right.
>>>  
>>> Put in a suggestion to include Addresses in the Search options for Marriage.
>>>  
>>> ;) I don't use Event Addresses in Legacy. The tools for Locations are far 
>>> better.
>>> Because I don't use them, I rarely think of asking for them to be improved. 
>>> I leave that to those that do use them.
>>> Nothing I do depends on keeping to the artificial 4 location field idea 
>>> (which works for most USA locations but not for those in Australia or 
>>> England where the majority of my research is) so I enter locations from 
>>> smallest unit to country and sort the location list right to left.
>>>  
>>> Cathy
>>>  
>>>> Chris Hill <mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com>
>>>> Sunday, 22 July 2018 11:29 PM
>>>> Hi Jenny
>>>>  
>>>> No, that does not work and gives very odd responses The problem is 
>>>> that I need to look at the Addresses with the small house icon and not at 
>>>> the Place of the event or marriage.
>>>>  
>>>> Regards
>>>>  
>>>> Chris
>>>>  
>>>> Jenny M Benson <mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk>
>>>> Sunday, 22 July 2018 10:23 PM
>>>>  
>>>> I don't think I'm quite sure exactly what you want to search for, but w

Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information

[Roberta Schwalm]

I have always put the name of the Church where the baptism or marriage took
place.  I also enter the name of the cemetery where burial/inurnment took
place.  I have always thought that it was the simplest way to go.

Roberta

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 7:27 AM Chris Hill 
wrote:

> Hi Cathy
>
> That was pretty well what I had suspected. It almost seems that the
> developers only built half of the system with dealing with locations/places
> vs addresses, or just added addresses as a later extension.
>
> I started using the locations to locate a physical area such as a
> Village or Town / / County / Country (being UK based and based on the
> GeoLocation list), with occasional extensions to add further sub-units,
> such as Hatcham, New Cross, , Surrey, England where Hatcham, Surrey would
> be misleading.
>
> I then started finding references to churches, as in baptisms and
> marriages, and started adding those to the location list, and my current
> locations list is around 2500 entries, of which 200 or so start with St
> church / location. I rather suspect that this is what most users do. But
> this started to become more complex, especially as those entries were
> included in the Location index in reports at the building level.
>
> So I then started looking at the Address fields, which happily show up
> as an icon on the marriage and events, or as Address.. option against
> birth, baptism, death and buried entries. Now, as I am working through my
> database, I am moving all of the entries in Location that refer to a
> building, or vessel, into the Address entries, where I can be specific to
> the building or church by street and location. Currently I have nearly 500
> churches, or equivalent, and more than 100 other addresses. The reverse is
> that I have removed many of those from the Locations list since they map to
> a single location.
>
> My feeling is that I am working the 'right' way to record Addresses as
> being different from Locations. but that the system, while supporting both,
> does not have sufficient support for addresses or integration between
> addresses and locations.
>
> Regards
>
> Chris
>
> -- Original Message ------
> From: "Cathy Pinner" 
> To: "Legacy User Group" 
> Sent: 23/07/2018 03:28:57
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information
>
> Chris,
> Searching on Marriage Address isn't available.
>
> I think the only thing you can do is work from the Master List for Event
> Addresses (View - Master Lists - Addresses - Event) and the Show List
> options there.
>
> OR, as you say, go direct to the Access database and use SQL since you
> appear to know how. So long as you make a backup before you do this, you
> can always recover if you don't get it right.
>
> Put in a suggestion to include Addresses in the Search options for
> Marriage.
>
> ;) I don't use Event Addresses in Legacy. The tools for Locations are far
> better.
> Because I don't use them, I rarely think of asking for them to be
> improved. I leave that to those that do use them.
> Nothing I do depends on keeping to the artificial 4 location field idea
> (which works for most USA locations but not for those in Australia or
> England where the majority of my research is) so I enter locations from
> smallest unit to country and sort the location list right to left.
>
> Cathy
>
>
> Chris Hill <mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com>
> Sunday, 22 July 2018 11:29 PM
> Hi Jenny
>
> No, that does not work and gives very odd responses. The problem is
> that I need to look at the Addresses with the small house icon and not at
> the Place of the event or marriage.
>
> Regards
>
> Chris
>
> Jenny M Benson <mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk>
> Sunday, 22 July 2018 10:23 PM
>
> I don't think I'm quite sure exactly what you want to search for, but will
> searching for a Marriage with Marriage Place empty AND a secondary
> condition of Marriage with Marriage Event-Place not empty do what you need?
> Chris Hill <mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com>
> Sunday, 22 July 2018 9:47 PM
> Where necessary, usually for baptism, death and marriages, I normally
> place the location of the church etc. into the corresponding fields in the
> individual or the marriage, and for marriages I also place them into events
> for marriage banns and witnesses. This then means that if I enable it in
> the reports I will get the (address text) in the report, which I can
> control as required.
>
> My problem is that I have found that I may have missed putting the
> addresses on marriage itself, but have put them on the marriage events.
> What I cannot find is a search or report that will identify 

Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information

[Chris Hill]

Hi Cathy

That was pretty well what I had suspected. It almost seems that the 
developers only built half of the system with dealing with 
locations/places vs addresses, or just added addresses as a later 
extension.


I started using the locations to locate a physical area such as a 
Village or Town / / County / Country (being UK based and based on the 
GeoLocation list), with occasional extensions to add further sub-units, 
such as Hatcham, New Cross, , Surrey, England where Hatcham, Surrey 
would be misleading.


I then started finding references to churches, as in baptisms and 
marriages, and started adding those to the location list, and my current 
locations list is around 2500 entries, of which 200 or so start with St 
church / location. I rather suspect that this is what most users do. But 
this started to become more complex, especially as those entries were 
included in the Location index in reports at the building level.


So I then started looking at the Address fields, which happily show 
up as an icon on the marriage and events, or as Address.. option against 
birth, baptism, death and buried entries. Now, as I am working through 
my database, I am moving all of the entries in Location that refer to a 
building, or vessel, into the Address entries, where I can be specific 
to the building or church by street and location. Currently I have 
nearly 500 churches, or equivalent, and more than 100 other addresses. 
The reverse is that I have removed many of those from the Locations list 
since they map to a single location.


My feeling is that I am working the 'right' way to record Addresses 
as being different from Locations. but that the system, while supporting 
both, does not have sufficient support for addresses or integration 
between addresses and locations.


Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Cathy Pinner" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 23/07/2018 03:28:57
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information


Chris,
Searching on Marriage Address isn't available.

I think the only thing you can do is work from the Master List for 
Event Addresses (View - Master Lists - Addresses - Event) and the Show 
List options there.


OR, as you say, go direct to the Access database and use SQL since you 
appear to know how. So long as you make a backup before you do this, 
you can always recover if you don't get it right.


Put in a suggestion to include Addresses in the Search options for 
Marriage.


;) I don't use Event Addresses in Legacy. The tools for Locations are 
far better.
Because I don't use them, I rarely think of asking for them to be 
improved. I leave that to those that do use them.
Nothing I do depends on keeping to the artificial 4 location field idea 
(which works for most USA locations but not for those in Australia or 
England where the majority of my research is) so I enter locations from 
smallest unit to country and sort the location list right to left.


Cathy


Chris Hill <mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com>
Sunday, 22 July 2018 11:29 PM
Hi Jenny

No, that does not work and gives very odd responses. The problem 
is that I need to look at the Addresses with the small house icon and 
not at the Place of the event or marriage.


Regards

Chris

Jenny M Benson <mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk>
Sunday, 22 July 2018 10:23 PM

I don't think I'm quite sure exactly what you want to search for, but 
will searching for a Marriage with Marriage Place empty AND a 
secondary condition of Marriage with Marriage Event-Place not empty do 
what you need?

Chris Hill <mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com>
Sunday, 22 July 2018 9:47 PM
Where necessary, usually for baptism, death and marriages, I 
normally place the location of the church etc. into the corresponding 
fields in the individual or the marriage, and for marriages I also 
place them into events for marriage banns and witnesses. This then 
means that if I enable it in the reports I will get the (address text) 
in the report, which I can control as required.


My problem is that I have found that I may have missed putting the 
addresses on marriage itself, but have put them on the marriage 
events. What I cannot find is a search or report that will identify 
this condition, and not even one that will list the addresses listed 
on the marriages and their events so that I can locate those that I 
need to fix, and I have 3500 marriages in my database.


I could probably fix it will a single SQL statement against the 
database, but don't really want to try that.


Regards

Chris




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Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information

[Cathy Pinner]

Chris,
Searching on Marriage Address isn't available.

I think the only thing you can do is work from the Master List for Event 
Addresses (View - Master Lists - Addresses - Event) and the Show List 
options there.


OR, as you say, go direct to the Access database and use SQL since you 
appear to know how. So long as you make a backup before you do this, you 
can always recover if you don't get it right.


Put in a suggestion to include Addresses in the Search options for Marriage.

;) I don't use Event Addresses in Legacy. The tools for Locations are 
far better.
Because I don't use them, I rarely think of asking for them to be 
improved. I leave that to those that do use them.
Nothing I do depends on keeping to the artificial 4 location field idea 
(which works for most USA locations but not for those in Australia or 
England where the majority of my research is) so I enter locations from 
smallest unit to country and sort the location list right to left.


Cathy


Chris Hill 
Sunday, 22 July 2018 11:29 PM
Hi Jenny

    No, that does not work and gives very odd responses. The problem 
is that I need to look at the Addresses with the small house icon and 
not at the Place of the event or marriage.


Regards

Chris

Jenny M Benson 
Sunday, 22 July 2018 10:23 PM

I don't think I'm quite sure exactly what you want to search for, but 
will searching for a Marriage with Marriage Place empty AND a 
secondary condition of Marriage with Marriage Event-Place not empty do 
what you need?

Chris Hill 
Sunday, 22 July 2018 9:47 PM
    Where necessary, usually for baptism, death and marriages, I 
normally place the location of the church etc. into the corresponding 
fields in the individual or the marriage, and for marriages I also 
place them into events for marriage banns and witnesses. This then 
means that if I enable it in the reports I will get the (address text) 
in the report, which I can control as required.


    My problem is that I have found that I may have missed putting the 
addresses on marriage itself, but have put them on the marriage 
events. What I cannot find is a search or report that will identify 
this condition, and not even one that will list the addresses listed 
on the marriages and their events so that I can locate those that I 
need to fix, and I have 3500 marriages in my database.


    I could probably fix it will a single SQL statement against the 
database, but don't really want to try that.


Regards

Chris




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Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information

[Chris Hill]

Hi Jenny

No, that does not work and gives very odd responses. The problem is 
that I need to look at the Addresses with the small house icon and not 
at the Place of the event or marriage.


Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Jenny M Benson" 
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Sent: 22/07/2018 15:23:40
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information


On 22-Jul-18 02:47 PM, Chris Hill wrote:
Where necessary, usually for baptism, death and marriages, I 
normally place the location of the church etc. into the corresponding 
fields in the individual or the marriage, and for marriages I also 
place them into events for marriage banns and witnesses. This then 
means that if I enable it in the reports I will get the (address text) 
in the report, which I can control as required.


My problem is that I have found that I may have missed putting the 
addresses on marriage itself, but have put them on the marriage 
events. What I cannot find is a search or report that will identify 
this condition, and not even one that will list the addresses listed 
on the marriages and their events so that I can locate those that I 
need to fix, and I have 3500 marriages in my database.


I don't think I'm quite sure exactly what you want to search for, but 
will searching for a Marriage with Marriage Place empty AND a secondary 
condition of Marriage with Marriage Event-Place not empty do what you 
need?

-- Jenny M Benson
http://jennygenes.blogspot.co.uk/

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Re: [LegacyUG] Address Information

[Jenny M Benson]

On 22-Jul-18 02:47 PM, Chris Hill wrote:
     Where necessary, usually for baptism, death and marriages, I 
normally place the location of the church etc. into the corresponding 
fields in the individual or the marriage, and for marriages I also place 
them into events for marriage banns and witnesses. This then means that 
if I enable it in the reports I will get the (address text) in the 
report, which I can control as required.


     My problem is that I have found that I may have missed putting the 
addresses on marriage itself, but have put them on the marriage events. 
What I cannot find is a search or report that will identify this 
condition, and not even one that will list the addresses listed on the 
marriages and their events so that I can locate those that I need to 
fix, and I have 3500 marriages in my database.


I don't think I'm quite sure exactly what you want to search for, but 
will searching for a Marriage with Marriage Place empty AND a secondary 
condition of Marriage with Marriage Event-Place not empty do what you need?

--
Jenny M Benson
http://jennygenes.blogspot.co.uk/

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