Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using OSM data without modifying - are there any guidelines?

2015-06-29 Thread John Bergmayer
On Sat, 27 Jun 2015 17:55:08 +0200, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: A condition of having a valid licence to use OSM data is providing a suitable way of pointing out the conditions of use of said data to your users/customers/etc (which is relaxed a bit for produced works). Don't provide

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using OSM data without modifying - are there any guidelines?

2015-06-29 Thread Richard Fairhurst
(Rights_of_Third_Parties)_Act_1999 Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/OSM-legal-talk-Using-OSM-data-without-modifying-are-there-any-guidelines-tp5848948p5849151.html Sent from the Legal Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using OSM data without modifying - are there any guidelines?

2015-06-29 Thread John Bergmayer
On Jun 29, 2015, at 11:18 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: It's possible they may be. OSMF is based in England Wales, and the Contributor Terms say This Agreement shall be governed by English law without regard to principles of conflict of law. Under the Contracts (Rights

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using OSM data without modifying - are there any guidelines?

2015-06-29 Thread Simon Poole
Am 29.06.2015 um 17:00 schrieb John Bergmayer: On Sat, 27 Jun 2015 17:55:08 +0200, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: A condition of having a valid licence to use OSM data is providing a suitable way of pointing out the conditions of use of said data to your users/customers/etc (which is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using OSM data without modifying - are there any guidelines?

2015-06-29 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 06/29/2015 05:21 PM, John Bergmayer wrote: Right, same in the US. As I mentioned, intended third party beneficiaries may enforce a contract against one of the parties. But a third party cannot be bound by a contract entered into by others. This was discussed at *very* *great*

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using OSM data without modifying - are there any guidelines?

2015-06-29 Thread Simon Poole
Well the more basic question is: would you in the end have a marketable product that you could sell in places where people actually have money? And the answer is likely no. Simon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ legal-talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using OSM data without modifying - are there any guidelines?

2015-06-27 Thread Richard Fairhurst
come to talk. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/OSM-legal-talk-Using-OSM-data-without-modifying-are-there-any-guidelines-tp5848948p5849030.html Sent from the Legal Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using OSM data without modifying - are there any guidelines?

2015-06-27 Thread Simon Poole
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using OSM data without modifying - are there any guidelines?

2015-06-27 Thread Tom Lee
Which nicely illustrates that should the OSM database not be found to be worthy of sui generis database protection (a distinct possibility), the ODbL would clearly be enforceable based on contract law. Of course you're right that contracts can be used to create obligations outside of copyright

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using OSM data without modifying - are there any guidelines?

2015-06-27 Thread Simon Poole
Am 27.06.2015 um 17:02 schrieb Tom Lee: But of course OSM extracts and snapshots are available all over the web, and from interfaces that don't introduce or even mention any contractual relationship with OSMF as a condition of download (whether the user is an OSM contributor or has

[OSM-legal-talk] Using OSM data without modifying - are there any guidelines?

2015-06-26 Thread Jan Erik Solem
Hi legal-talk people We’re thinking of starting to use OSM data at Mapillary (http://www.mapillary.com/) to improve our service to users. At SotMUS earlier in the month I heard several speakers say in connection to commercial applications, something like “as long as you don’t modify OSM data you

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using OSM data without modifying - are there any guidelines?

2015-06-26 Thread Simon Poole
Jan Erik As the name of this list says it is legal talk (aka yapping without consequence) ... not get-help-from-the-OSMF. The proper places to address are plastered all over openstreetmap.org and osmfoundation.org: le...@osmfoundation.org (policy issues and similar) or

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using OSM data without modifying - are there any guidelines?

2015-06-26 Thread Tom Lee
As the name of this list says it is legal talk (aka yapping without consequence) ... not get-help-from-the-OSMF I'm sorry to see this practice discouraged. The archive description[1] says this is the list for discussion of all legal matters relating to Openstreetmap, including licensing and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using OSM data without modifying - are there any guidelines?

2015-06-26 Thread Simon Poole
Am 26.06.2015 um 16:55 schrieb Tom Lee: As the name of this list says it is legal talk (aka yapping without consequence) ... not get-help-from-the-OSMF I'm sorry to see this practice discouraged. The archive description[1] says this is the list for discussion of all legal matters relating

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using OSM data without modifying - are there any guidelines?

2015-06-26 Thread Simon Poole
Am 26.06.2015 um 16:55 schrieb Tom Lee: ... As I noted elsewhere[2], EU and US law don't seem to make database IDs eligible for copyright (or associated license requirements), at least when their reproduction is associated with the lawful use of the relevant database. So I think

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using OSM data without modifying - are there any guidelines?

2015-06-26 Thread Jan Erik Solem
Thanks Simon I looked for the relevant list at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_lists and tried this one. Will write to legal-questi...@osmfoundation.org instead then. /Jan Erik On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Jan Erik As the name of this list