[OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread Nick Hocking
The problem I have is a bit different. Someone (who has actively declined the CT) has been using nearmap to trace in some roads under construction in the Canberra area. Some of these roads are now complete and open to the public. It would be pointless of me to add information to the nearmapped way

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Nick Hocking wrote: The only way, I see, out of this mess is for me to map a new set of residential roads, using my actual GPS tracks, alongside the nearmapped ones, make then properly routable, and maybe put a layer tag on them (for the moment) to ensure that routers don't confuse the iss

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread John Smith
On 5 June 2011 21:40, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > Nick Hocking wrote: >> >> The only way, I see, out of this mess is for me to map a new set of >> residential roads, using my actual GPS tracks, alongside the nearmapped >> ones, make then properly routable, and maybe put a layer tag on them (for

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, John Smith wrote: He is yet to back up his claims about people using the data I don't think it makes a difference. If I have one set of data with a questionable copyright situation and no street names, and another set of data with street names surveyed by someone who agrees to the CT, th

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread John Smith
On 5 June 2011 22:35, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > John Smith wrote: >> >> He is yet to back up his claims about people using the data > > I don't think it makes a difference. If I have one set of data with a > questionable copyright situation and no street names, and another set of > data with

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, John Smith wrote: He is yet to back up his claims about people using the data I don't think it makes a difference. If I have one set of data with a questionable copyright situation and no street names, and another set of data with street names surveyed by someone who agrees to the CT, the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread John Smith
On 5 June 2011 22:48, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Where the claim was made has no relevance for my assessment that it does not > make a difference. As I said, you tried so hard to word thing to reduce the change of an edit war and now you are cheering some along to do the exact opposite, so I'd say it

[OSM-legal-talk] PGS coastline

2011-06-05 Thread OJ W
My account used for importing PGS coastlines just got an email asking that it agree to new contributor terms - has anyone already declared this is OK during the import-checking phase of license change? Asking on mailing list, since there should be about 32 other accounts used for the import and co

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PGS coastline

2011-06-05 Thread Richard Weait
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 8:56 AM, OJ W wrote: > My account used for importing PGS coastlines just got an email asking > that it agree to new contributor terms - has anyone already declared > this is OK during the import-checking phase of license change? > > Asking on mailing list, since there should

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PGS coastline

2011-06-05 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Isn't PGS in the public domain since it's a work of the US federal government and in addition was automatically generated from Landsat imagery, which is also in the public domain? On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 8:56 PM, OJ W wrote: > My account used for importing PGS coastlines just got an email asking

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PGS coastline

2011-06-05 Thread OJ W
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Richard Weait wrote: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalog That's exactly what I was looking for, thanks. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/leg

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is mail address legal@... valid?

2011-06-05 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Michael Collinson writes: > > Hi Jukka, > > Yes, it is still in use and we read everything and we we do try to > respond. Have we missed something? > > Mike > License Working Group Hi, It is just about a proper way of attributing OSM in a Web Feature Service (WFS). I posted a question first

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is mail address legal@... valid?

2011-06-05 Thread Michael Collinson
For me as a personal contributor, it looks great as is. It goes out with every extraction(?). You are making attribution "credit reasonable to the medium" (CC-BY-SA and CC-BY). You are crediting OpenStreetMap and properly identifying the CC-BY-SA license. You also have a link to http://www.ope

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is mail address legal@... valid?

2011-06-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 June 2011 01:30, Michael Collinson wrote: > You are not crediting all 400,000 OSM registrants "in a manner at least as > prominent as such other comparable authorship credit." [1] but ODbL fixes > that. ;-) You mean until things change again to a difference license.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread SteveC
Sadly I agree. Steve stevecoast.com On Jun 5, 2011, at 4:19, Nick Hocking wrote: > The problem I have is a bit different. > > Someone (who has actively declined the CT) has been using nearmap to trace in > some roads under construction in the Canberra area. Some of these roads are > now com

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread Stephan Knauss
On 05.06.2011 02:09, Frederik Ramm wrote: means for them. I know for a fact that among the current disagreeing mappers there are some who intend to stay with OSM and who are just holding out until the last minute; and I know there are some who simply wanted to delay their decision until later. Th

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread Michael Collinson
I am also very hesitant to have a specific date now and basically support Kai's concept. Mostly the date thing is caution, I would like to move to Phase 4 as soon as possible but think we can then take our time getting as much ODbL coverage as possible. It is also disparate situations. At one e

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread Ed Avis
I don't think that edit wars to deliberately change the licence status of bits of map are the way forward - for either side. It's just as unacceptable from the pro-ODbL camp as from the pro-CC camp. However, I can understand that if mappers believe that large amounts of data will be deleted (wh

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread Maarten Deen
On 5-6-2011 2:09, Frederik Ramm wrote: Any misunderstanding in this area will lead to friction: mapper A thought he still had time to reconsider; but mapper B goes ahead and deletes/re-maps A's work (possibly with less precision or other things that A doesn't like). A, who intended to stay with

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Michael Collinson wrote: I am also very hesitant to have a specific date now and basically support Kai's concept. Mostly the date thing is caution, I would like to move to Phase 4 as soon as possible but think we can then take our time getting as much ODbL coverage as possible. That's wh

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Maarten Deen wrote: Any misunderstanding in this area will lead to friction: mapper A thought he still had time to reconsider; but mapper B goes ahead and deletes/re-maps A's work (possibly with less precision or other things that A doesn't like). A, who intended to stay with OSM but was jus

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread James Livingston
On 5 June 2011 22:35, Frederik Ramm wrote: > John Smith wrote: > >> He is yet to back up his claims about people using the data >> > > I don't think it makes a difference. If I have one set of data with a > questionable copyright situation and no street names, and another set of > data with stre

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread James Livingston
On 5 June 2011 10:09, Frederik Ramm wrote: > I know for a fact that among the current disagreeing mappers there are some > who intend to stay with OSM and who are just holding out until the last > minute; As far as I can tell, doing that is the only way to say "I don't like the licence/CTs/proc

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, James Livingston wrote: I don't think it makes a difference. If I have one set of data with a questionable copyright situation and no street names, and another set of data with street names surveyed by someone who agrees to the CT, there's no reason to prefer the former. Bei

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Phase 4 and what it means

2011-06-05 Thread Mike Dupont
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Stephan Knauss wrote: > On 05.06.2011 02:09, Frederik Ramm wrote: >> >> means for them. I know for a fact that among the current disagreeing >> mappers there are some who intend to stay with OSM and who are just >> holding out until the last minute; and I know there