Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Garmin Maps / Produced Works

2010-09-07 Thread James Livingston
On 04/09/2010, at 10:30 PM, Rob Myers wrote: If it absolutely has to be one thing or the other I'd say it is a Produced Work. Does it have to be though? I can't see anything in the ODbL that says Derived Database and Produced Work are mutually exclusive. A produced work is: a work (such as

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Google MapMaker and OSM data...

2010-09-07 Thread Eric Jarvies
Hello, Is Google Maps(MapMaker) now starting to use OSM data? I've been adding a lot of data to OSM this past month, and have seen that data also appearing on Google Maps. Most blatant is a screw-up I made to the coastline in my area... Google now has it too :-) Thanks, Eric Jarvies

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Google MapMaker and OSM data...

2010-09-07 Thread Grant Slater
On 7 September 2010 13:12, Eric Jarvies e...@csl.com.mx wrote: Is Google Maps(MapMaker) now starting to use OSM data?  I've been adding a lot of data to OSM this past month, and have seen that data also appearing on Google Maps.  Most blatant is a screw-up I made to the coastline in my

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Google MapMaker and OSM data...

2010-09-07 Thread Eric Jarvies
Grant, Yes, I can point to an example... but prior to bringing attention to the matter/area, I would instead prefer to monitor it and see what else appears. The coastline, akaik, is not editable by users/contributors, which is why I asked if Google is now using OSM data. Eric On Sep 7,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Google MapMaker and OSM data...

2010-09-07 Thread Emilie Laffray
On 7 September 2010 14:51, Eric Jarvies e...@csl.com.mx wrote: Grant, Yes, I can point to an example... but prior to bringing attention to the matter/area, I would instead prefer to monitor it and see what else appears. The coastline, akaik, is not editable by users/contributors, which is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Would The ODbL and BY-SA Clash In A Database Extracted From a BY-SA Produced Work?

2010-09-07 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On 09/05/2010 06:01 AM, Anthony wrote: And then the ODbL says you can do certain things provided you meet certain conditions? Yes. DB right covers the whole Maybe. OSM existed two years before OSMF, so OSMF would probably

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Would The ODbL and BY-SA Clash In A Database Extracted From a BY-SA Produced Work?

2010-09-07 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On 09/05/2010 06:01 AM, Anthony wrote: I think that it's the same with OSM: DbCL ensures that OSM can apply ODbL to the result of combining all the individual

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Would The ODbL and BY-SA Clash In A Database Extracted From a BY-SA Produced Work?

2010-09-07 Thread Rob Myers
On 09/07/2010 04:00 PM, Anthony wrote: Maybe. OSM existed two years before OSMF, so OSMF would probably have a pretty tough time claiming that it is the maker of the database. They are the maker of the current database. , and copyright may cover the DB or the aggregated contents. Yes,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Would The ODbL and BY-SA Clash In A Database Extracted From a BY-SA Produced Work?

2010-09-07 Thread Francis Davey
On 7 September 2010 16:13, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On 09/05/2010 06:01 AM, Anthony wrote: I think that it's the same with OSM: DbCL ensures that OSM can

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Google MapMaker and OSM data...

2010-09-07 Thread Richard Weait
Dear Eric, Your replies from Grant (on the server team) and Emilie (OSMF Board member) are from people who would normally deal with these issues. ;-) As far as I know Map Maker does not use OSM data, but no consumer of OSM data is obliged to tell OSM that they are using OSM data. They are only

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Would The ODbL and BY-SA Clash In A Database Extracted From a BY-SA Produced Work?

2010-09-07 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com wrote: If its the case that OSMF doesn't have a database right in the contents of its database, then, logically, that right would be jointly owned by all contributors. Ah, I see there is a provision for this in the EU database

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Google MapMaker and OSM data...

2010-09-07 Thread 80n
Eric It is your content and your copyright. If you believe that Google or anyone else is infringing your copyright then it is your right to take up this issue with them directly. Most infringments are accidental and if you approach the infringer in a helpful and sympathetic way then they will

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Google MapMaker and OSM data...

2010-09-07 Thread Richard Weait
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Eric Jarvies e...@csl.com.mx wrote: On Sep 7, 2010, at 10:02 AM, Richard Weait wrote: Also, as more data sets are opening up it is possible that Map Maker and OSM editors are using similar sources. Yes, I understand this and the context you are explaining it

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Google MapMaker and OSM data...

2010-09-07 Thread Eric Jarvies
On Sep 7, 2010, at 11:51 AM, Richard Weait wrote: On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Eric Jarvies e...@csl.com.mx wrote: On Sep 7, 2010, at 10:02 AM, Richard Weait wrote: Also, as more data sets are opening up it is possible that Map Maker and OSM editors are using similar sources. Yes, I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Would The ODbL and BY-SA Clash In A Database Extracted From a BY-SA Produced Work?

2010-09-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/7 ed...@billiau.net: I got far enough through the Australian Copyright Act at the weekend to discover that this won't extend to Australia. does this count, given that the contract (CT) is British law? cheers, Martin ___ legal-talk mailing

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Would The ODbL and BY-SA Clash In A Database Extracted From a BY-SA Produced Work?

2010-09-07 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 7:38 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/9/7  ed...@billiau.net: I got far enough through the Australian Copyright Act at the weekend to discover that this won't extend to Australia. does this count, given that the contract (CT) is British law?