Re: [L-I] Speaking the same language?

2000-09-04 Thread Tabe Kooistra
On Sun, Sep 03, 2000 at 07:51:53PM +0200, A.Wosni wrote: Sorry folks, I posted this wrongly to the LI-list. It was for Johannes privately. A.H. Thanx For quating the whole thing again her A.H. "I know it is cheap" Tabe ___ Leninist-International

Re: [L-I] Speaking the same language?

2000-09-03 Thread A.Wosni
Sorry folks, I posted this wrongly to the LI-list. It was for Johannes privately. A.H. A.Wosni schrieb: [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Lieber Johannes, ich schreibe Dir privat, weil ich keine Lust mehr habe, diese Diskussion auf der LI-Liste fortzuführen. Lieber Lothar, ich

Re: [L-I] Speaking the same language?

2000-09-02 Thread Johannes . Schneider
Lieber Johannes, ich schreibe Dir privat, weil ich keine Lust mehr habe, diese Diskussion auf der LI-Liste fortzuführen. Lieber Lothar, ich verstehe Deinen beleidigten Unterton eigentlich nicht. Gerade öffentliche Diskussionen leben gerade von kontroversen Standpunkten. Wo Polemiken in

Re: [L-I] Speaking the same language?

2000-09-02 Thread LROBERTS46
I agree that a ghetto has not come to mean a physical enclave like in old Poland. I live in what is called the ghetto in Sacramento. We have a mix of Latino, Southeast Asian, poor whites, and Black folks. But, our state senator lives here. We have different ethnicities scattered

Re: [L-I] Speaking the same language?

2000-09-02 Thread LROBERTS46
On why folks are alingual. When we kidnapped folks from Africa, they brought west African grammar. The verb to be is not conjugated. This lead to Black English phrases like "He be going." Now, if you are familiar with it, you can still understand it. What is unfortunate, is that some

Re: [L-I] Speaking the same language?

2000-08-31 Thread Johannes . Schneider
Nestor wrote: But the basic question is "why does not the German formation work in order to have these migrants learn German?". In Argentina, European migrants were very proud that they did not speak the same language that the unworthy locals, but the Argentine formation took the pains

Re: [L-I] Speaking the same language?

2000-08-30 Thread A.Wosni
Mr. Proyect: Saying that trying to speak (or at least understand) the language of the country you live in is a part of progressive consciousness does not mean that everybody who speaks the language is a 'progressive' or even revolutionary person [all Africans have black hear but not all people

Re: [L-I] Speaking the same language?

2000-08-30 Thread A.Wosni
Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky schrieb: En relación a Re: [L-I] Speaking the same language?, el 29 Aug 00, a las 12:51, Tony Abdo dijo: Anton, you are attributing narrow mindedness and being reactionary to immigrants that haven't mastered learning German. Has it not occurred to you why

Re: [L-I] Speaking the same language?

2000-08-30 Thread A.Wosni
Come on, you can't mean this question seriously. I never said that the immigrants shouldn't know their original language (infact even the German bourgeoisie makes them learn Turkish at school if they wish so. The idea of course is, that they should learn it so as that they can be sent back one

[L-I] Speaking the same language?

2000-08-29 Thread Louis Proyect
Mr. Holberg: And something else: Marxists don't need to adore the working class (no matter what nationality) for what it is (as a class in itself it is mainly material for exploitation).Marxists look to the working class as it can be and as it must be if it wants the liberate itself and by

Re: [L-I] Speaking the same language?

2000-08-29 Thread Tony Abdo
Anton, you are attributing narrow mindedness and being reactionary to immigrants that haven't mastered learning German. Has it not occurred to you why these immigrants might not have learned your language? It is from fear, and nothing else. Immigrants fear being ridiculed as they try to

Re: [L-I] Speaking the same language?

2000-08-29 Thread Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky
En relación a [L-I] Speaking the same language?, el 29 Aug 00, a las 13:26, Anton Holberg dijo: there is no need to defend every sort of narrowmindedness within the working class, and if people live in a foreign country for decades and don't hardly speak a single sentence in that country's