Since the question of language classes for immigrants in Germany has been
discussed here recently, I post an article from the Frankfurter Rundschau
(left of center, usually pro red-Green)
http://www.fr-aktuell.de/english/401/t401004.htm
The article is quite representative for the Red-Green 'juste
On Sun, Sep 03, 2000 at 07:51:53PM +0200, A.Wosni wrote:
> Sorry folks,
> I posted this wrongly to the LI-list. It was for Johannes privately.
> A.H.
Thanx For quating the whole thing again her A.H.
"I know it is cheap" Tabe
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Sorry folks,
I posted this wrongly to the LI-list. It was for Johannes privately.
A.H.
A.Wosni schrieb:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
> > > Lieber Johannes,
> > > ich schreibe Dir privat, weil ich keine Lust mehr habe, diese Diskussion
> > > auf der
> > > LI-Liste fortzuführen.
> >
> > Lieber L
On why folks are alingual. When we kidnapped folks from Africa, they brought
west African grammar. The verb to be is not conjugated. This lead to Black
English phrases like "He be going." Now, if you are familiar with it, you
can still understand it. What is unfortunate, is that some peopl
I agree that a ghetto has not come to mean a physical enclave like in old
Poland. I live in what is called the ghetto in Sacramento. We have a mix of
Latino, Southeast Asian, poor whites, and Black folks. But, our state
senator lives here. We have different ethnicities scattered throughou
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
> > Lieber Johannes,
> > ich schreibe Dir privat, weil ich keine Lust mehr habe, diese Diskussion
> > auf der
> > LI-Liste fortzuführen.
>
> Lieber Lothar,
> ich verstehe Deinen beleidigten Unterton eigentlich nicht.
[Ich bin verwundert. Ich habe mich nicht beleidigt
--- "A.Wosni" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lieber Johannes,
> ich schreibe Dir privat, weil ich keine Lust mehr
> habe, diese Diskussion auf der
> LI-Liste fortzuführen.
I think it's interesting that as we are holding this
discussion a book has just been published in Germany
consisting of stor
Sorry comrades,
shame on me, but my previous posting was not intended to be sent anywhere.
Just for my excuse I am not working from my own box today and sometimes
these nasty machines do things they are not supposed to do.
I promise to stay away from any keyboard for the rest of the weekend.
Jo
> Lieber Johannes,
> ich schreibe Dir privat, weil ich keine Lust mehr habe, diese Diskussion
> auf der
> LI-Liste fortzuführen.
Lieber Lothar,
ich verstehe Deinen beleidigten Unterton eigentlich nicht. Gerade
öffentliche Diskussionen leben gerade von kontroversen Standpunkten. Wo Polemiken in
Lieber Johannes,
ich schreibe Dir privat, weil ich keine Lust mehr habe, diese Diskussion auf der
LI-Liste fortzuführen. Nur soviel. Ich stimme Dir hier (wie ja auch sonst
meistens) im allgemeinen zu. Allerdings ist es nicht nur im Interesse der
Bourgeoisie, daß die Immigranten die Mehrheitsspr
En relación a Re: [L-I] Speaking the same language?,
el 31 Aug 00, a las 18:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] dijo:
> I fear comrades
> outside Germany got a wrong impression about reality in Germany.
>
> Actually there are very few immigrants who do not know enough German
> to communicate.
Nestor wrote:
> But the basic question is "why does not the German
> formation work in order to have these migrants learn German?". In
> Argentina, European migrants were very proud that they did not speak
> the same language that the unworthy locals, but the Argentine
> formation took the pa
Mr. Proyect:
Saying that trying to speak (or at least understand) the language of the country
you live in is a part of progressive consciousness does not mean that everybody
who speaks the language is a 'progressive' or even revolutionary person
[all Africans have black hear but not all people
Tony, where do you get your information from about whom I know and what I do?
Let me tell you that for many years I was particularily engaged in 'solidarity
work' with the Kurdish movement and that I regularily met with immigrant workers
from Kurdistan, Turkey, Iraq. Most of them tried to learn
Come on, you can't mean this question seriously. I never said that the
immigrants shouldn't know their original language (infact even the German
bourgeoisie makes them learn Turkish at school if they wish so. The idea of
course is, that they should learn it so as that they can be sent back one
Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky schrieb:
> En relación a Re: [L-I] Speaking the same language?,
> el 29 Aug 00, a las 12:51, Tony Abdo dijo:
>
> > Anton, you are attributing narrow mindedness and being reactionary to
> > immigrants that haven't mastered learning German.
>
> within the working class, and if people live in a foreign country for
> decades and don't hardly speak a single sentence in that country's
> language (Johannes: please don't deny that there are people like that!)
> this is nothing to defend. It's simply narr
En relación a Re: [L-I] Speaking the same language?,
el 29 Aug 00, a las 12:51, Tony Abdo dijo:
> Anton, you are attributing narrow mindedness and being reactionary to
> immigrants that haven't mastered learning German. Has it not
> occurred to you why these immigrants might no
En relación a [L-I] Speaking the same language?,
el 29 Aug 00, a las 13:26, Anton Holberg dijo:
> there
> is no need to defend every sort of narrowmindedness within the
> working class, and if people live in a foreign country for decades
> and don't hardly speak a single
Anton, you are attributing narrow mindedness and being reactionary to
immigrants that haven't mastered learning German. Has it not
occurred to you why these immigrants might not have learned your
language? It is from fear, and nothing else.
Immigrants fear being ridiculed as they try to
Mr. Holberg:
>And something else: Marxists don't need to adore the working class (no
matter
>what nationality) for what it is (as a class in itself it is mainly
material for
>exploitation).Marxists look to the working class as it can be and as it
must be
>if it wants the liberate itself and by
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