Re: Let straighten out the settings mess

2008-09-10 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Kent Tenney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think 'close enough' requires that at least the documentation match the behavior, otherwise there's potential for wasting a lot of time trying to figure out what is going on. I agree. Is there a mismatch at present?

Re: Let straighten out the settings mess

2008-09-10 Thread Kent Tenney
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Edward K. Ream [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Kent Tenney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think 'close enough' requires that at least the documentation match the behavior, otherwise there's potential for wasting a lot of time trying to

Re: Let straighten out the settings mess

2008-09-10 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Kent Tenney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought Leo obeyed this simple rule: - the last setting read is used (plugins are a bit special) Is this true? True. If so, all possible permutation and combinations is strictly a matter of which files are read,

Re: Let straighten out the settings mess

2008-09-10 Thread Terry Brown
On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:53:15 -0500 Edward K. Ream [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The path to clarity is to voluntarily limit your choices: pick *one* place (home/.leo) for your myLeoSettings.leo file, and *one* place (leo/config) for your leoSettings.leo file. Yes but :-)

Re: Let straighten out the settings mess

2008-09-10 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Terry Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:53:15 -0500 Edward K. Ream [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The path to clarity is to voluntarily limit your choices: pick *one* place (home/.leo) for your myLeoSettings.leo file, and *one* place

Re: Let straighten out the settings mess

2008-09-10 Thread Kent Tenney
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Edward K. Ream [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Terry Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:53:15 -0500 Edward K. Ream [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The path to clarity is to voluntarily limit your choices: pick *one*

Re: Let straighten out the settings mess

2008-09-09 Thread Kent Tenney
Just a recap. given the following myLeoSettings.leo files: home/.leo/myLeoSettings.leo home/myLeoSettings.leo cwd/.leo/myLeoSettings.leo cwd/myLeoSettings.leo I get the following: reading settings in /home/ktenney/src/leo-editor/leo/config/leoSettings.leo reading settings in

Re: Let straighten out the settings mess

2008-09-09 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Kent Tenney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a recap. given the following myLeoSettings.leo files: home/.leo/myLeoSettings.leo home/myLeoSettings.leo cwd/.leo/myLeoSettings.leo cwd/myLeoSettings.leo I get the following: reading settings in

Re: Let straighten out the settings mess

2008-09-09 Thread Kent Tenney
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Edward K. Ream [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Kent Tenney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a recap. given the following myLeoSettings.leo files: home/.leo/myLeoSettings.leo home/myLeoSettings.leo cwd/.leo/myLeoSettings.leo

Re: Let straighten out the settings mess

2008-08-23 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Aug 16, 12:39 pm, Alia K [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 for the following unix-like structure for per user leo settings: $HOME/.leo     leoID.txt     myLeoSettings.leo     etc.. rev 891 now uses this directory structure for all files that were formerly in the $HOME directory. Leo will

Re: Let straighten out the settings mess

2008-08-22 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Aug 16, 12:14 pm, Edward K. Ream [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Imo, Leo 4.5 b4 should attempt to handle settings in a more standard manner. The first config changes are at rev 883 of the trunk. Leo now handle's @enabled-plugins nodes in a more straightforward manner: it enables all plugins

Re: Let straighten out the settings mess

2008-08-21 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 7:15 PM, Randy Kramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True, brevity is a virtue, but this is too brief. If you have objections please state them clearly. Sorry! No problem. Just remember that I get many emails every day on many subjects. Please always quote a previous

Re: Let straighten out the settings mess

2008-08-21 Thread Randy Kramer
On Thursday 21 August 2008 07:32 am, Edward K. Ream wrote: To have any chance of convincing me, you would have to show why the different approach is a) better than Leo's already flexible configuration way and b) worth the trouble to implement. Edward, Thanks for offering that opportunity,

Re: Let straighten out the settings mess

2008-08-21 Thread Kent Tenney
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Edward K. Ream [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Kent Tenney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Especially now that Leo has shadow files, I think people will be unsurprised to see Leo config and private in company like: ls -a .leo .bzr .svn

Re: Let straighten out the settings mess

2008-08-21 Thread Randy Kramer
On Thursday 21 August 2008 08:20 am, Ville M. Vainio wrote: On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Edward K. Ream [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To have any chance of convincing me, you would have to show why the different approach is a) better than Leo's already flexible configuration way and b)

Re: Let straighten out the settings mess

2008-08-20 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Randy Kramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a little off the current point, but if someone is going to reconsider where settings and data will reside, you may want to look into the XDG Base Directory Specification I think we have enough good ideas for now

Re: Let straighten out the settings mess

2008-08-20 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Aug 16, 12:14 pm, Edward K. Ream [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Imo, Leo 4.5 b4 should attempt to handle settings in a more standard manner. Many thanks to all who have offered suggestions and comments. The following post summarizes my present plans. 1. Everyone seems agree that the following

Re: Let straighten out the settings mess

2008-08-20 Thread Terry Brown
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Edward K. Ream [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) will just cause more confusion, and 2) just delays the day of transition to a time when we've all forgotten the issues involved :-) Imo, the thing to do is simply to make the transition *now*, and get the

Re: Let straighten out the settings mess

2008-08-20 Thread Randy Kramer
On Wednesday 20 August 2008 10:46 am, Edward K. Ream wrote: 1. Everyone seems agree that the following structure for settings ^Almost Just for the record ;-) Randy Kramer -- I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I created a video instead.--with apologies to Cicero, et.al.

Re: Let straighten out the settings mess

2008-08-20 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Aug 20, 10:31 am, Randy Kramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1.  Everyone seems agree that the following structure for settings       ^Almost True, brevity is a virtue, but this is too brief. If you have objections please state them clearly. Edward

Re: Let straighten out the settings mess

2008-08-20 Thread Kent Tenney
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Terry Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Edward K. Ream [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) will just cause more confusion, and 2) just delays the day of transition to a time when we've all forgotten the issues involved :-)

Re: Let straighten out the settings mess

2008-08-20 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Kent Tenney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Especially now that Leo has shadow files, I think people will be unsurprised to see Leo config and private in company like: ls -a .leo .bzr .svn .vim .cvs Oh good :-) Edward

Re: Let straighten out the settings mess

2008-08-20 Thread Randy Kramer
On Wednesday 20 August 2008 12:16 pm, Edward K. Ream wrote: On Aug 20, 10:31 am, Randy Kramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1.  Everyone seems agree that the following structure for settings       ^Almost True, brevity is a virtue, but this is too brief. If you have objections please state