Re: ENB: Installation plans

[Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas]

On 06/02/18 16:48, Matt Wilkie wrote:
>
> The first thing I installed was an installer (Scoop[1]) and a
> package installer (Chocolatey[2]).
>  
>
> [1] http://scoop.sh/
> [2] http://chocolatey.org/
>
>
> ​Thanks for this. Your timing is excellent.  Matt, do you have any
> thoughts?
>
>
> I'm wary of Chocolatey. It made a mess of my machine a year or so ago,
> tangling it's installed apps with pre-existing ones. At one point it
> installed python inside it's tree, and in Program Files, and in my
> profile directory (APPDATA), mixing 32 and 64 bit together. It took
> days to get it sorted out. The management team has a fast and loose
> cowboy feel, not something I look for in a package manager (but do
> enjoy other places).  ... A quick review of the website and chatter
> shows there's been a lot of work on stability and package signing. And
> it's a commercial entity so they have something to lose. Maybe I'll my
> concerns have been addressed.
>
> Scoop is new to me. I'll check it out.
>
> Ninite is good, I bought pro version for work, but has limited package
> selection.
>
> I've been https://just-install.it/ at home for about a year. It
> doesn't aim to be a package manager, leaving uninstall/repair etc. to
> Windows control panel, but it does make installing a single command
> operation.
>

Chocolotey has worked well for me, but I don't have extensive experience
with it, nor I have tried to install things that are installed in these
computers by other means. Scoop provides self contained packages, so it
will not mess with the system (which could be an interesting feature for
Leo). Just install it seems interesting. Is really nice to see this
solutions coming finally to Windows, is not just to have a one line
command installation on Linux since more than a decade :-P.(which
includes Leo, of course).

Cheers,

Offray

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Re: ENB: Installation plans

[Matt Wilkie]

>
> The first thing I installed was an installer (Scoop[1]) and a package 
> installer (Chocolatey[2]). 
>  
>
>> [1] http://scoop.sh/
>> [2] http://chocolatey.org/
>>
>
> ​Thanks for this. Your timing is excellent.  Matt, do you have any 
> thoughts?
>

I'm wary of Chocolatey. It made a mess of my machine a year or so ago, 
tangling it's installed apps with pre-existing ones. At one point it 
installed python inside it's tree, and in Program Files, and in my profile 
directory (APPDATA), mixing 32 and 64 bit together. It took days to get it 
sorted out. The management team has a fast and loose cowboy feel, not 
something I look for in a package manager (but do enjoy other places).  ... 
A quick review of the website and chatter shows there's been a lot of work 
on stability and package signing. And it's a commercial entity so they have 
something to lose. Maybe I'll my concerns have been addressed.

Scoop is new to me. I'll check it out.

Ninite is good, I bought pro version for work, but has limited package 
selection.

I've been https://just-install.it/ at home for about a year. It doesn't aim 
to be a package manager, leaving uninstall/repair etc. to Windows control 
panel, but it does make installing a single command operation.

matt

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Re: ENB: Installation plans

[Edward K. Ream]

On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 10:55 AM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <
off...@riseup.net> wrote:


The first thing I installed was an installer (Scoop[1]) and a package
> installer (Chocolatey[2]).
>


> [1] http://scoop.sh/
> [2] http://chocolatey.org/
>

​Thanks for this. Your timing is excellent.  Matt, do you have any thoughts?

Edward

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Re: ENB: Installation plans

[Terry Brown]

On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 11:55:04 -0500
Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas  wrote:

> [1] http://scoop.sh/
> [2] http://chocolatey.org/

There's also https://ninite.com/ for a more GUI based approach.  Would
be nice to get Leo in there alongside Notepad++, Eclipse, etc.

Cheers -Terry

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Re: ENB: Installation plans

[Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas]

Hi,

I don't use in my machines since Windows since 1999, and if I have to
buy a computer with it (which is the default) one of the first things I
do is to erase Windows and replace it with (Manjaro) Gnu/Linux. But my
sister recently bought a Windows laptop and she need to run some
(government provided!) software for her work, which only runs on
Windows. So I started to assist her on installing this machine with the
programs she was used to on Linux. The first thing I installed was an
installer (Scoop[1]) and a package installer (Chocolatey[2]). After
that, all installations are just one command away of distance, without
worrying too much. Scoop and Chocolatey have important diferences, but I
think that a Leo package could be created for that systems, so Leo
installation on windows becomes just a one liner.

[1] http://scoop.sh/
[2] http://chocolatey.org/

Hope it helps,

Offray



On 04/02/18 12:31, Edward K. Ream wrote:
> This is an Engineering Notebook post.  There are some questions
> below.  Any advice from Terry, Matt or others will be welcome.
>
> In the last two days I've lost my fear of multiple installations. 
> Here are my plans:
>
> *Windows 10*
>
> 1. Replace 32-bit miniconda with 64-bit miniconda.  This may solve
> some npm and pyinstaller problems.
>
> 2. (Maybe) Install a full 64-bit Python 3 Anaconda /in addition to/
> (or instead of??) the miniconda environments.
>
> I am considering using Anaconda because of an annoying problem. 
> Starting a new console starts off in the /default/ miniconda
> environment.  Alas, activate python3, which at present gets done
> automatically when opening a new console, takes about two seconds. 
> This delay quickly becomes unbearable.
>
> So the idea is that opening a console will put me in the full Anaconda
> environment, not the miniconda environments.
>
> Or maybe the full Anaconda environment is enough, and I can use conda
> to create new environments??
>
> *Ubuntu*
>
> I'll wait until I have the Windows install resolved before
> experimenting on Linux.
>
> I do know enough not to touch the system install of Python ;-)
>
> At present I have 64-bit Anaconda installed for both Python 2 and 3.
>
> *Summary*
>
> All comments and suggestions are welcome.
>
> I am happy to delay Leo 5.7b2 until all these issues are resolved.
>
> Edward
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Re: ENB: Installation plans

[Terry Brown]

On Sun, 4 Feb 2018 09:31:15 -0800 (PST)
"Edward K. Ream"  wrote:

> I am considering using Anaconda because of an annoying problem.
> Starting a new console starts off in the *default* miniconda
> environment.  Alas, activate python3, which at present gets done
> automatically when opening a new console, takes about two seconds.
> This delay quickly becomes unbearable.

Hmm, I guess I rarely close terminal sessions, so this wouldn't be an
issue for me.  I Windows I'm using the bash shell that comes with git.
The version I'm using is a couple of years old, so the current one
might be better, but it has some annoying incompatibilities, although
not as annoying as Window's cmd ;-)

Cheers -Terry

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