Re: how to deal with kernel.org downtime

2011-09-29 Thread Mathias Huber
Hi, has anyone got a good suggestion how to get the sources for the kernel, udev, util-linux and the other packages hosted at kernel.org while the site is down for maintenance? another piece in the puzzle -- Karel Zak has moved util-linux here: http://github.com/karelzak/util-linux Mathias

Re: how to deal with kernel.org downtime

2011-09-29 Thread Ashish Mishra
i faced the same issue N created a thread. you can have a look at LFS section at LINUXQUESTIONS.ORG. I got two links from there... On 9/29/11, Mathias Huber mhu...@linux-magazin.de wrote: Hi, has anyone got a good suggestion how to get the sources for the kernel, udev,

RE: Building LFS using jhlfs

2011-09-29 Thread Jacob Alifrangis
So what exactly was the answer, because there isn't one in the reply. Here's what it comes down to: We need a system, that has: Kernel, drivers, sound support, networking etc. bash x windows, the smallest window manager available, which we can opt not to use. smb ftp client wget mono gtk-Sharp

RE: Building LFS using jhlfs

2011-09-29 Thread Jacob Alifrangis
Oh yeah, and the build HAS to be reproducible. I.E. if we make a change, we should be able to something like this: cd /xyz/source make then run our packaging script. It should be really simple, and it's stunning that this doesn't exist. -Original Message- From:

Re: Building LFS using jhlfs

2011-09-29 Thread Mathias Huber
Hello Jacob, Oh yeah, and the build HAS to be reproducible. I.E. if we make a change, we should be able to something like this: cd /xyz/source make then run our packaging script. It should be really simple, and it's stunning that this doesn't exist. it seems you want a ready-to-go

RE: Building LFS using jhlfs

2011-09-29 Thread Jacob Alifrangis
No, we don't need embedded anything, this is desktop. So youre telling me there is no way that LFS can be used to build the requirements below in a reproducible fashion? I think then, that this project should be called something other than LFS, maybe: sometimes it works, but we don't guarantee

Re: Building LFS using jhlfs

2011-09-29 Thread Dustin Essington
LFS is a book you follow to make the distro yourself. Ergo, if you want those. Download the packages and build them on your own. LFS isn't really meant to be a, here run this script and it will build a whole functioning system for you, kind of setup. It's meant to teach people HOW to build a

Re: Building LFS using jhlfs

2011-09-29 Thread Dustin Essington
It works as long as you have the needed packages installed already. Sent from my iPod On Sep 29, 2011, at 14:06, Jacob Alifrangis jalifran...@braindonors.net wrote: No, we don't need embedded anything, this is desktop. So youre telling me there is no way that LFS can be used to build the

RE: Building LFS using jhlfs

2011-09-29 Thread Jacob Alifrangis
Ok, I'll give it another whack, but it really seems that there should be something better to build a system that works. -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Dustin Essington Sent: Thursday,

RE: Building LFS using jhlfs

2011-09-29 Thread Jacob Alifrangis
And where is the list or script that checks for that? -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Dustin Essington Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:08 AM To: LFS Support List Subject: Re: Building

Re: Building LFS using jhlfs

2011-09-29 Thread Aleksandar Kuktin
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:36:49 + Jacob Alifrangis jalifran...@braindonors.net wrote: So what exactly was the answer, because there isn't one in the reply. The exact answer is that LFS is a book made by humans, for humans and that there is no standardized way of feeding it to the machine.

Re: Building LFS using jhlfs

2011-09-29 Thread John Fanjoy
LFS owns up to everything they claim, but it requires a somewhat working knowledge of the command line and helps you through the process of building a system that suits your needs. If you take the time to learn you can build a custom system. Document your process and then script it out if you'd

RE: Building LFS using jhlfs

2011-09-29 Thread Jacob Alifrangis
Ok, fine, but that's not really the point. I have looked at DSL and Puppy, but we need to make customizations to the source, and these two are choc full of bloatware. -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On

Re: Building LFS using jhlfs

2011-09-29 Thread Dustin Essington
The host system requirements are in the book. Page vii in the preface. Sent from my iPod On Sep 29, 2011, at 14:08, Jacob Alifrangis jalifran...@braindonors.net wrote: And where is the list or script that checks for that? -Original Message- From:

RE: Building LFS using jhlfs

2011-09-29 Thread Jacob Alifrangis
I haven't seen any part of jhlfs that documents anything in a 1,2,3 fashion, only that there is a readme that is mangled and very un-clear, contains no instructions and has, it seems no way to indicate where to get required packages and / or tools. Here's how this system should really work:

RE: Building LFS using jhlfs

2011-09-29 Thread Jacob Alifrangis
What book? The readme file? -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Dustin Essington Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:13 AM To: LFS Support List Subject: Re: Building LFS using jhlfs The

Automated LFS build [was RE: Building LFS using jhlfs]

2011-09-29 Thread Robert A. Lerche
In 2009 I customized the LFS Live CD to build a bootable demonstration application. The Live CD includes makefiles that do the full build. You do a single make and hours later an .iso file pops out. The last release of the live CD corresponded to LFS 6.3. I updated the particular components I

Re: Building LFS using jhlfs

2011-09-29 Thread John Fanjoy
Well the wonderful thing about open source is that you can make your own contributions and improvements. I'm pretty sure that jhlfs was built with the impression that the users would have gone through the (Free) LFS book at least once. If you have never actually built Linux From Scratch, how can

RE: Automated LFS build [was RE: Building LFS using jhlfs]

2011-09-29 Thread Jacob Alifrangis
I would really appreciate something like this, Can you email me offline at jalifran...@braindonors.net? thanks -Original Message- From: lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org [mailto:lfs-support-boun...@linuxfromscratch.org] On Behalf Of Robert A. Lerche Sent: Thursday, September 29,

Re: Building LFS using jhlfs

2011-09-29 Thread Dustin Essington
Jhlfs is out of date. If you want a step by step guide, go to http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/ And start reading. Sent from my iPod On Sep 29, 2011, at 14:15, Jacob Alifrangis jalifran...@braindonors.net wrote: I haven’t seen any part of jhlfs that documents anything in a

RE: Building LFS using jhlfs

2011-09-29 Thread Alain Toussaint
It should be really simple, and it's stunning that this doesn't exist. And So what exactly was the answer, because there isn't one in the reply. Do you have a reading comprehension problem? You asked for a step by step guide, LFS is one. You asked for a script giving reproducible result.

Re: Building LFS using jhlfs

2011-09-29 Thread scrat
On 09/29/2011 02:15 PM, Jacob Alifrangis wrote: I haven't seen any part of jhlfs that documents anything in a 1,2,3 fashion, only that there is a readme that is mangled and very un-clear, contains no instructions and has, it seems no way to indicate where to get required packages and / or

Re: Building LFS using jhlfs

2011-09-29 Thread Randy McMurchy
On 9/29/2011 1:15 PM, Jacob Alifrangis wrote: I haven’t seen any part of jhlfs that documents anything in a 1,2,3 fashion, only that there is a readme that is mangled and very un-clear, contains no instructions and has, it seems no way to indicate where to get required packages and / or

Re: Building LFS using jhlfs

2011-09-29 Thread Ken Moffat
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 05:36:49PM +, Jacob Alifrangis wrote: So what exactly was the answer, because there isn't one in the reply. Here's what it comes down to: We need a system, that has: Kernel, drivers, sound support, networking etc. bash x windows, the smallest window manager