[liberationtech] Snowden sets OPSEC record straight

2013-10-18 Thread Eugen Leitl
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Re: [liberationtech] Snowden sets OPSEC record straight

2013-10-18 Thread Tom O
I have issues with those responses. 1. NSA won't say what damage has been caused. They still operate in the dark. They'd be stupid to say anything either way. Silence doesn't equate to no damage. 2. From GG has said, Snowden has access to files. Now whether they are in Russia, who knows. To

[liberationtech] Possibly of interest to this list

2013-10-18 Thread Stefan Geens
Did Sweden just sign up to 'principled' internet surveillance? http://www.thelocal.se/50872/20131018/ In Seoul, Sweden's foreign minister Carl Bildt comes out in favor of many of the principles encapsulated in the Necessary Proportionate campaign for principled state surveillance. I look

Re: [liberationtech] Snowden sets OPSEC record straight

2013-10-18 Thread coderman
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Tom O winterfi...@gmail.com wrote: ... 1. NSA won't say what damage has been caused. They still operate in the dark. They'd be stupid to say anything either way. Silence doesn't equate to no damage. desperate times and desperate measures; while this is

Re: [liberationtech] Possibly of interest to this list

2013-10-18 Thread liberationtech
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 04:48:39PM +0200, stefan.ge...@gmail.com wrote 1.4K bytes in 0 lines about: : Did Sweden just sign up to 'principled' internet surveillance? : : http://www.thelocal.se/50872/20131018/ I thought Sweden already surveilled and censored their Internet. -- Andrew http

Re: [liberationtech] RiseUp

2013-10-18 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 10/15/2013 06:47 PM, elijah wrote: On 10/15/2013 03:07 PM, Yosem Companys wrote: If you have any thoughts about Riseup, whether security/privacy-related or otherwise, I'd love to hear them. I think I am the only person from the Riseup collective who is subscribed to liberationtech, so I

Re: [liberationtech] RiseUp

2013-10-18 Thread Sahar Massachi
As Elijah wrote, the point of riseup is to serve a specific constituency. The point is not to help the general public encrypt their email. On Oct 18, 2013 1:30 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: On 10/15/2013 06:47 PM, elijah wrote: On 10/15/2013 03:07 PM, Yosem Companys wrote:

Re: [liberationtech] RiseUp

2013-10-18 Thread Yosem Companys
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Sahar Massachi say...@gmail.com wrote: As Elijah wrote, the point of riseup is to serve a specific constituency. The point is not to help the general public encrypt their email. Exactly, and they do that quite well. Those who use RiseUp's mailing lists rave

Re: [liberationtech] RiseUp

2013-10-18 Thread Christian Fuchs
Hello Sahar, I am interested in the political economy of digital media and am author of a forthcoming book about Occupy and social media. Alternative media and technologies are facing the challenge of acquiring resources for being run. I am wondering how at RiseUp you organized the

Re: [liberationtech] RiseUp

2013-10-18 Thread Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
Il 10/16/13 12:07 AM, Yosem Companys ha scritto: If you have any thoughts about Riseup, whether security/privacy-related or otherwise, I'd love to hear them. While i appreciate Riseup project goals and approach, i would not personally keep my usual email flow (inbound/outbound) going trough a

[liberationtech] IPS – Skype Gets Dark in Karachi | Inter Press Service

2013-10-18 Thread Fouad Bajwa
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Re: [liberationtech] RiseUp

2013-10-18 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Yosem Companys compa...@stanford.edu wrote: On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Sahar Massachi say...@gmail.com wrote: As Elijah wrote, the point of riseup is to serve a specific constituency. The point is not to help the general public encrypt their email.

Re: [liberationtech] RiseUp

2013-10-18 Thread Anthony Papillion
On 10/18/2013 01:20 PM, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: Il 10/16/13 12:07 AM, Yosem Companys ha scritto: If you have any thoughts about Riseup, whether security/privacy-related or otherwise, I'd love to hear them. While i appreciate Riseup project goals and approach, i would not personally

Re: [liberationtech] Snowden sets OPSEC record straight

2013-10-18 Thread Tom O
Greenwald has stated on twitter that Snowden has access to docs. On Saturday, October 19, 2013, coderman wrote: On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Tom O winterfi...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: ... 1. NSA won't say what damage has been caused. They still operate in the dark. They'd be

Re: [liberationtech] RiseUp

2013-10-18 Thread groente
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:20:58PM +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote: snip Second, the unusual stress of ideology in such a service is very relevant to product's security in this case. When I read RiseUp's social contract page [1] some time ago, I found the mild creepiness and

Re: [liberationtech] Snowden sets OPSEC record straight

2013-10-18 Thread coderman
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Tom O winterfi...@gmail.com wrote: Greenwald has stated on twitter that Snowden has access to docs. do you have links to the tweets in question? there was interesting discussion on the reddit AMA[0] as well, however, i do not recall seeing this ongoing access

Re: [liberationtech] Snowden sets OPSEC record straight

2013-10-18 Thread David Golumbia
i generally support Snowden, but aspects of this part of the story concern me. Mr. Snowden said he gave all of the classified documents he had obtained to journalists he met in Hong Kong, before flying to Moscow, and did not keep any copies for himself. Poitras and Greenwald visited Snowden

Re: [liberationtech] RiseUp

2013-10-18 Thread Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
Il 10/18/13 10:23 PM, Anthony Papillion ha scritto: Generally is not valuable to use only 1 email provider, because email is made up of many pieces: - Inbound flow - Outbound flow - Data storage That require a user to have at least 3 different providers by: - Splitting your communication

Re: [liberationtech] Snowden sets OPSEC record straight

2013-10-18 Thread Tom O
I'll try search through his feed and see if I can locate them. On Saturday, October 19, 2013, coderman wrote: On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Tom O winterfi...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: Greenwald has stated on twitter that Snowden has access to docs. do you have links to the tweets

Re: [liberationtech] Possibly of interest to this list

2013-10-18 Thread Linus Nordberg
liberationt...@lewman.us wrote Fri, 18 Oct 2013 15:58:53 +: | On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 04:48:39PM +0200, stefan.ge...@gmail.com wrote 1.4K bytes in 0 lines about: | : Did Sweden just sign up to 'principled' internet surveillance? | : | : http://www.thelocal.se/50872/20131018/ | | I thought

Re: [liberationtech] RiseUp

2013-10-18 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 10/18/2013 04:57 PM, groente wrote: On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:20:58PM +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote: snip Second, the unusual stress of ideology in such a service is very relevant to product's security in this case. When I read RiseUp's social contract page [1] some time ago, I found the mild

Re: [liberationtech] Possibly of interest to this list

2013-10-18 Thread Collin Anderson
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Linus Nordberg li...@nordberg.se wrote: Indeed. The news here is whether we're trying to whitewash that by signing up for (parts of) https://en.necessaryandproportionate.org/. I deeply hope they attempt to whitewash these actions through explicit participation

[liberationtech] Targeted Threats Index

2013-10-18 Thread Ronald Deibert
Hi LibTech The Citizen Lab's Seth Hardy, Katie Kleemola, and Greg Wiseman have come up with a Targeted Threats Index for evaluating malware. Details are in this post below for those who might be interested: https://citizenlab.org/2013/10/targeted-threat-index/ The team would certainly

Re: [liberationtech] RiseUp

2013-10-18 Thread Alfredo Lopez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Besides being wrong, this is truly offensive. Rise-Up is a remarkable collective with outstanding service and enormous commitment to principle. More than a decade of that kind of service to the progressive movement in this country. I have no problem

[liberationtech] Version 2.0 Complete GFW Rulebook for Wikipedia

2013-10-18 Thread 夏楚
To all, I just wrote up my new study of GFW and it is available at http://goo.gl/KfBCgT In this new version, I thoroughly studied GFW's HTTP response filtering scheme, which has not been well studied in the past. The bulk of the new result is in Section 5 (pp 8-12). The following is some

Re: [liberationtech] Version 2.0 Complete GFW Rulebook for Wikipedia

2013-10-18 Thread Griffin Boyce
On 10/18/2013 09:20 PM, 夏楚 wrote: To all, I just wrote up my new study of GFW and it is available at http://goo.gl/KfBCgT Hi Xia, Thanks so much for posting your new paper. It's really rare to see such a complete body of research on this subject -- in fact, I don't think I've seen one on the

Re: [liberationtech] RiseUp

2013-10-18 Thread h0ost
On 10/18/2013 04:57 PM, groente wrote: Well, let's apply that rhetoric to 99% of the alternatives: commercial providers. Commercial providers seem pretty radicalized in wanting to make money. This probably indicates that in their closed group, they value money at least as highly as technical

Re: [liberationtech] Snowden sets OPSEC record straight

2013-10-18 Thread Andy Isaacson
Apologies for the long quote, but I wanted to preserve as much context as possible. On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 05:23:32PM -0400, David Golumbia wrote: Mr. Snowden said he gave all of the classified documents he had obtained to journalists he met in Hong Kong, before flying to Moscow, and did