Re: [liberationtech] CNN writer on leaving Facebook

2013-02-26 Thread Yuval Adam
On Monday, February 25, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Raven Jiang CX wrote: I think Sterling is suggesting that most people are not cognizant of this trade-off and that as Facebook does more with your personal information, that trade-off becomes increasingly disfavourable compared to the relatively

Re: [liberationtech] CNN writer on leaving Facebook

2013-02-26 Thread Michael Rogers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25/02/13 19:03, Raven Jiang CX wrote: I think a subtle difference is what exactly the bargain entails. In the case of television advertising, it's a relatively straightforward exchange of your attention for entertainment. Facebook is asking for

Re: [liberationtech] CNN writer on leaving Facebook

2013-02-26 Thread Jon Lebkowsky
I want to respond to Paul Bernal's post about why to leave Facebook, point by point. Privacy: I think the problem is not a lack of privacy, but an expectation of privacy on the part of the user, who should definitely leave if she considers privacy important. If you don't want to be seen, by all

Re: [liberationtech] CNN writer on leaving Facebook

2013-02-26 Thread Paul Bernal (LAW)
Hi Jon Thanks for the detailed response - and I can see your points. Indeed, to an extent I agree with them! I'll try to do a more detailed response tomorrow, but just a few points now. 1. On privacy, I agree, it's more about helping get a more 'savvy' community than anything else. 2. On

Re: [liberationtech] CNN writer on leaving Facebook

2013-02-26 Thread Jon Lebkowsky
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Paul Bernal (LAW) paul.ber...@uea.ac.ukwrote: 2. On real names, it's as much about fighting the bigger battle for the need to allow anonymity. If real names becomes the norm, we're in real trouble when the going gets tough... I think there's room for

Re: [liberationtech] CNN writer on leaving Facebook

2013-02-26 Thread jam
al responsibility, I wont because I need to keep an eye on the competition :P, though it has given me anadditionallayer of guilt in staying! Original Message ---- Subject: Re: [liberationtech] CNN writer on leaving Facebook From: Jon Lebkowsky jon.lebkow...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Febru

[liberationtech] CNN writer on leaving Facebook

2013-02-25 Thread Petter Ericson
Greetings, Though I imagine that the facebook use is significantly lower (and more judicious) among the libtech users than among a more generic tech-savvy population, this essay makes a rather good case on why quitting facebook entirely is the proper thing to do at some point - sooner rather than

Re: [liberationtech] CNN writer on leaving Facebook

2013-02-25 Thread Raven Jiang CX
I think a subtle difference is what exactly the bargain entails. In the case of television advertising, it's a relatively straightforward exchange of your attention for entertainment. Facebook is asking for more than that. The marketing is less oppressive because they receive the addition payment

Re: [liberationtech] CNN writer on leaving Facebook

2013-02-25 Thread Paul Bernal (LAW)
In case anyone's interested, I've written about this before too: my 10 reasons to leave Facebook. http://paulbernal.wordpress.com/2012/12/27/10-reasons-to-leave-facebook/ There's quite a lot of stuff written on this in the academic world. Paul Dr Paul Bernal Lecturer UEA Law School