Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Live streaming LibreOffice bug triaging
Le 2020-10-26 à 12 h 07, Marc Paré a écrit : > I will be there, I believe my time is 1:00PM here in Waterloo Ontario. > > Thanks for sharing. Really useful thing to do for our LibreOffice group. > > Marc > Just wanted to thank you again for sharing the live streaming of the triage. It is nice to see your technique and how you go about triaging bugs. Really helpful. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com https://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org LibreOffice Office Suite - 200 million users and growing! Over 1,000 project developers with impeccable help from its user base. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Live streaming LibreOffice bug triaging
I will be there, I believe my time is 1:00PM here in Waterloo Ontario. Thanks for sharing. Really useful thing to do for our LibreOffice group. Marc Le 2020-10-26 à 11 h 53, Ilmari Lauhakangas a écrit : > There will be other weeks ;) > > Ilmari > > Kevin Suo kirjoitti 26.10.2020 klo 17.12: >> Wanted to join in but it's middle night here in my timezne... >> >> 于 2020年10月26日 GMT+08:00 下午9:01:15, Ilmari Lauhakangas >> 写到: >> >> No, I am not going to record them as that would entail an >> unacceptable >> increase in workload. >> >> Ilmari >> >> Xisco Fauli kirjoitti 26.10.2020 klo 14.49: >> >> Hello Ilmari, >> >> Nice initiative. Are you going to record them so we can link >> them in the >> wiki later on ? >> >> On 25/10/20 11:49, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote: >> >> I will be live streaming 1 hour LibreOffice bug triaging >> sessions in >> the Jitsi room >> https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/ilmaritriages next >> week on >> >> Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 17:00 UTC / 10:00 Pacific Time / 18:00 >> Berlin time >> Fri, 30 Oct 2020 at 13:00 UTC / 06:00 Pacific Time / 14:00 >> Berlin time >> >> Anyone is welcome to interrupt me during the sessions and >> ask >> questions about the process. >> >> Ilmari >> >> >> List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list >> Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org >> Change settings: >> >> https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa >> Problems? >> >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: >> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ >> >> >> >> >> List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list >> Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org >> Change >> settings:https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa >> >> Problems?http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + >> more:http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive:http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ >> >> >> -- >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >> >> ___ >> List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list >> Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org >> Change settings: >> https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ >> > ___ > List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list > Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org > Change settings: > https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com https://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org LibreOffice Office Suite - 200 million users and growing! Over 1,000 project developers with impeccable help from its user base. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
(OT) LibreWaterloo Meeting on LibreLogo
I just thought that some of you may be interested. I am one of the coordinators of the LibreWaterloo (Waterloo, Canada) LibreOffice Community Group. Our meeting tomorrow night (Wednesday 7th of October at 7PM (UTC-4) is welcoming Gilvan Vilarim to speak on LibreLogo in education and he will also have us try a bit of LibreLogo. Should be a good discussion. If you are interested in sitting in on the meeting, just send me a response and I will send you back later tonight (Tuesday UTC-4) the room link as well as access code to the meeting. *** NOTE THAT Gilvan will also be presenting on October 17 at the 2020 Latin American Conference which is part of a side-event of the openSUSE + LibreOffice conference. *** (schedule pending) Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com https://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org LibreOffice Office Suite - 220 million users and growing! Over 1,000 project developers with impeccable help from its user base. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: LibreLogo Question and Need for Help
Le 20-09-04 à 12 h 30, Dennis Roczek a écrit : > Hi Marc, > > Am 03.09.2020 um 16:18 schrieb Marc Paré: > >> *** Note that the LibreLogo.org site is/was supposed to be the location >> where one would get information, however, it is no longer responding, >> but the domain is still being renewed. > Well it is still archived by archive.org, see > http://web.archive.org/web/20190820131601/http://librelogo.org/en/ > > There is also (but in Italian) > https://www.librelogo.it > >> Does anyone know who owns the >> site and is that person part of the LibreOffice membership? > Well that should be > Németh László > if I remember correctly and he is a member! > >> Cheers, >> >> Marc > Best regards, > > Dennis > Thanks! -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com https://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
LibreLogo Question and Need for Help
I am looking for someone who knows of LibreLogo embedded in LibreOffice and programming in LibreLogo through LibreOffice Writer. Is there anyone on this list who could give a demonstration for our LibreWaterloo (Canada) LibreOffice Support group? Or perhaps just let me know where I could possibly find more information on the command set for the LibreOffice's flavour of Logo? FYI, I taught Logo in a FR school system in Canada approx. 15yrs ago and had great success with kids of age 4 through 13. The oldest group in grade 8, for their final project, had to create their own font in Logo and demo the whole font set with fly-in/out routines. My 4yr olds were accompanied by their teachers to the computer lab and also learned Logo along with the kids. The project was so successful that a school board official visited to see proof of 4yr-old kids programming at the computer -- they could not believe that such young kids could program. The project was later closed down due to the lack of funds. But, the end-result was that, we had proof that the younger kids of "pre-kindergarten" age through our Canadian Grade 8 level kids could easily learn programming and all of the kids were very active at programming when they were taught Logo. *** Note that the LibreLogo.org site is/was supposed to be the location where one would get information, however, it is no longer responding, but the domain is still being renewed. Does anyone know who owns the site and is that person part of the LibreOffice membership? Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com https://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Automatic Formatting _Underline_ /Italics/ *Bold* -Strikethrough-
Thanks for pointing me to bug-59754 for which I am more concerned about. I would like to see this discussed on merit. If we are serious about making LibreOffice accessible to more users, then we should have predictable returns on typing text in documents. This will make LibreOffice more of a reliable suite and lead to less confusion and frustration by users. Using the argument that this will be an occasion for users to expand their knowledge is the wrong approach; the end result of this default setting is to only frustrate users for no reason at all. LibreOffice then has to take a hit on the bad reputation side for having set as default an added feature that it calls auto-correction. This should be discussed as it is, at best, bad marketing of the product when it creates frustration for no reason at all. Making settings return predictable results will make the suite more of a valuable tool to a larger expanding group of users and avoid comments of frustration on such obvious mistake at setting a reasonable default. Marc Le 20-05-02 à 02 h 14, Heiko Tietze a écrit : > You are not alone. But the idea was rejected in the past. > > Disable autocompletion/autocorrect by default > https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59754 > > AutoCorrect need alternative for handling use of keyboard input of apostrophe > as apostrophe (rather than single quote) > https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127883 > > (and other) > > On 02.05.20 03:56, Marc Paré wrote: >> Someone on a list other than LibreOffice pointed out that the initial >> settings in AutoCorrect are set with the following formatting >> feature-default of, when you type: >> _CausesTextToBeUnderlined_ /CausesTextToBeItalicized/ >> *CausesTextToBeBold -CausesTextToBeStruckThrough- >> >> As I would see this more of a formatting "feature" and not of a >> formatting "correction", I wonder if the initial user-default with these >> switched ON makes sense. To me, such a "feature" would be best >> rationalized as a feature one would offer to a user wishing to use >> keyboard alternatives to the conventional Ctrl-B, Ctrl-U etc switches. >> >> I wonder if, from a regular user point of view, it would make better >> sense to have the initial settings in "Tools-->AutoCorrect-->AutoCorrect >> Options-->Options" set with these switches OFF (default). This would >> then mean that, should a user start typing a URL such as /home/test, >> that user would not continually have to battle to rid him/herself of the >> "home" being formatted into an italics "home" and not being allowed to >> complete the URL without being formatting before typing the complete >> line as is. I would argue, that, setting the switches to the OFF >> position as the LibreOffice default, would return a format that one >> would expect when typing any stings such as /home/test etc. >> >> Having these switches turned ON as the LibreOffice default, from the >> point of view of a regular-user wishing to adopt the LibreOffice suite, >> returns a behaviour that is NOT expected, and, raises the level of >> frustration a little more as to deciding whether to adopt the suite or >> expecting to trouble-shoot an issue where the result goes contrary to >> what one would expect. >> >> I wonder if we could re-consider the ON-default and leave these switches >> to the OFF position? >> >> This would then give a better result of, where more-advanced-users, >> wishing to adopt the LibreOffice suite, and, wanting to expand >> formatting switches, being pleasantly surprised that these switches >> exist (a positive reaction), rather than what we presently have, where, >> a regular-user wishing to adopt the LibreOffice suite, experiencing the >> unpleasant auto-correction switches formatting text in a way that is not >> expected (a negative reaction) and making that user doubt his/her choice >> of LIbreOffice adoption. >> >> Leaving new-LibreOffice adopters with a good impression, with very few, >> if any, complaints would seem to be a good goal; making the initial >> default to the OFF position, in my opinion, a good change. >> >> Marc >> > > ___ > List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list > Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org > Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/l
[Libreoffice-qa] Automatic Formatting _Underline_ /Italics/ *Bold* -Strikethrough-
Someone on a list other than LibreOffice pointed out that the initial settings in AutoCorrect are set with the following formatting feature-default of, when you type: _CausesTextToBeUnderlined_ /CausesTextToBeItalicized/ *CausesTextToBeBold -CausesTextToBeStruckThrough- As I would see this more of a formatting "feature" and not of a formatting "correction", I wonder if the initial user-default with these switched ON makes sense. To me, such a "feature" would be best rationalized as a feature one would offer to a user wishing to use keyboard alternatives to the conventional Ctrl-B, Ctrl-U etc switches. I wonder if, from a regular user point of view, it would make better sense to have the initial settings in "Tools-->AutoCorrect-->AutoCorrect Options-->Options" set with these switches OFF (default). This would then mean that, should a user start typing a URL such as /home/test, that user would not continually have to battle to rid him/herself of the "home" being formatted into an italics "home" and not being allowed to complete the URL without being formatting before typing the complete line as is. I would argue, that, setting the switches to the OFF position as the LibreOffice default, would return a format that one would expect when typing any stings such as /home/test etc. Having these switches turned ON as the LibreOffice default, from the point of view of a regular-user wishing to adopt the LibreOffice suite, returns a behaviour that is NOT expected, and, raises the level of frustration a little more as to deciding whether to adopt the suite or expecting to trouble-shoot an issue where the result goes contrary to what one would expect. I wonder if we could re-consider the ON-default and leave these switches to the OFF position? This would then give a better result of, where more-advanced-users, wishing to adopt the LibreOffice suite, and, wanting to expand formatting switches, being pleasantly surprised that these switches exist (a positive reaction), rather than what we presently have, where, a regular-user wishing to adopt the LibreOffice suite, experiencing the unpleasant auto-correction switches formatting text in a way that is not expected (a negative reaction) and making that user doubt his/her choice of LIbreOffice adoption. Leaving new-LibreOffice adopters with a good impression, with very few, if any, complaints would seem to be a good goal; making the initial default to the OFF position, in my opinion, a good change. Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com https://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Canadian developers?
Are there any Canadian developers actively working on LibreOffice code? I am asking for this information as I am leading on the start/organizing of a community group in Waterloo Ontario. We have had our inaugural meeting in July, It would be nice to have the name of some Canadian devs who work on the code and as contact persons in case we have local questions pertinent to the Canadian group. US LibreOffice code developers are more than welcome to join on this email. Thanks for any information. Marc -- Marc Paré marc.p...@libreoffice.org Waterloo Ontario, Canada https://www.LibreOffice.org https://blog.documentfoundation.org https://www.LibOCon.org https://donate.libreOffice.org ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
Hi, Le 2016-03-24 12:01, Michael Meeks a écrit : * Hackfests (Bjoern) + next venues / suggestions + Ankara, Turkey +https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Ankara2016 + plan do an overview talk first (Michael) I've put this up on our GCal events calendar. Does anyone know who we should put down ad the LibreOffice Contact Person for the event? + Germany, Munich, LiMux; End of May 2016 (Jan-Marek) + Orga:https://wiki.debian.org/BSP/2016/05/de/Munich + 27-29 May (parallel to the Debian Sun Camp) I would like to list this on the events calendar. Does anyone know the title that we should put down? A short blurb for the event would be nice, and who should we put down as the LibreOffice Contact Person for the event? Thanks for the help. Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Testing Windows builds on Linux with PlayOnLinux now possible!
Le 2016-02-04 03:05, Pieter Kristensen a écrit : Hi Bjoern, all, Great that it works so well on PlayOnLinux. But how about Wine? Wine is provided by a lot (all) of the linux distributions (and BSD?). I tested it: I tried to install LO 64 bit on my 64 bit Kubuntu box. This didn't work. Then I tried to install LO 32 bit and that worked well. Only problem: I can't open files. The filepicker doesn't work as it should. But as far as I can see it the rest is working great. Wine seems to me the obvious solution because it's so easy to install. To bad that it does not work 100% I just installed it on my 64-bit system using PlayOnLinux. The filepicker works only if you choose the file first and then the "Open" button. It will not work if you double click on the file. Maybe this is the same on just a Wine installation? Otherwise, thus far, it seems to work well installed with PlayOnLinux. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Halloween BugHunting Session for 5.1 -- Advertise and Recruit!
Hi Robinson, Le 2015-10-27 12:08, Robinson Tryon a écrit : Hi all, As you all undoubtedly know by now, our 3-day BugHunting Session for the alpha1 build of the 5.1 Release Series will be this Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Each BugHunting Session is a great time for us to concentrate on finding bugs in the alpha builds, and really polishing up the development that's been taking place on LibreOffice's master branch. It's also a great time for recruitment. Given that the BugHunting Session happens to overlap with Halloween this year, it's a great time for us to use some of that fun, spooky, energy and invite people to join us. Bugzilla will have a banner, I'll be writing a blog post shortly, and I invite all of you awesome folks to help us spread the word about how much these testing times help out the project. Here's the link to the wiki: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugHunting_Session_5.1.0.0 Here's the post from the TDF blog: https://blog.documentfoundation.org/2015/10/19/first-bug-hunting-session-for-libreoffice-5-1/ Think about what other places we should advertise! We've already got a post on /r/libreoffice: https://www.reddit.com/r/libreoffice/comments/3pnmkc/first_bug_hunting_session_for_libreoffice_51/ Thanks, --R I've updated the events banner ... have a look! http://www.libreoffice.org/events/ Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Events Reminder
Hi all, Just a reminder that, if you are holding a LibreOffice event OR participating at a conference and presenting LibreOffice, please leave a note on this mailing list and I will post it on our events calendar[1]. Alternatively, you can email me to let me know, but best if you just leave a note on this list and I will notice the event. * Note that if you are taking part in an event, could you also list it on our events wiki page[2]? If you need help, just mention it here and one of us will add it to the wiki page. It is good PR to show how active a community we are at events. Cheers, Marc [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/EventsCalendar [2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Positive comment on users list
I just thought that I would share with you a positive comment from Fred James on the users list. Thanks to all of you devs for the wonderful work you do! Marc = START SNIP == LibreOffice Version: 4.3.6.1 Build ID: 4.3.6.1-3.mga4 ... does a very interesting thing ... (1) I backup some documents on a daily basis, to a USB stick, which I remove when not in use (2) When I opened earlier versions of LibreOffice, the Recent Documents list showed all documents from the hard drive, and from the USB stick, whether or not the stick had been removed (3) Now, when I open LibreOffice (3.1) If the stick is still in place from the last use, all of the recent documents on the hard drive, and on the USB stick, are also shown (3.2) If the stick has been remove, whether replaced or not, the documents on the USB stick are not shown ... I do like that. And I do like the new graphical display of the Recent Documents list, even though I can only see it when all documents are closed. Thanks Regards Fred James = END SNIP == -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Anybody got a printer and an envelope
Hi Jay, Le 2014-07-13 23:08, Jay Philips a écrit : Hi All, Users trying to print '#10 envelope' on any printer (Brother [77277], Epson [75449], Canon [52926], etc [64966]) are having problems, so if anybody can test this out, we can close these 4 bugs. The user in bug 77277 has stated that it works correctly in AOO 4.1, so whomever tests it, please do test against it as well. One commenter has stated the behaviour is there going back to 3.5. It would be good to import the AOO code into LibO, if it is fixed there. Anyone with a printer can also check out bug 75803, which is about problems printing in portrait mode. Done and posted. Seems to work on my setup. Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Canadian devs?
Hi, I am just curious to see, are there any Canadian developers on the LibreOffice team who contribute code on a regular basis? Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
[Libreoffice-qa] QA and br-pt LibreOffice Magazine
I was just wondering if anyone had ever thought of approaching the br-pt team who put together the LibreOffice magazine with regards to giving feedback of their use of Draw on such a large magazine project? When I look at pages 2 and 3 of the magazine, whether in Draw v.4.1.5.3 or v.4.3rc1, they obviously know of some editorial hiccups with spacing that we should be aware of. If you see the .pdf versions of the same pages, the weird spacing does not appear and is properly aligned unlinke the Draw version. For example: P. 2 bottom of page in Draw, the large text field exceeds the page boundaries; same with the masthead (text field on left), the text bleeds past the white column. P. 3: the text for p.13 and the column for page numbers over 100 do not space properly in Draw, but look fine in the .pdf version. And you can see more instances of more spacing issues in the magazine that seem a little strange in Draw but render properly in the .pdf form. Anyway, my point is that, it may be worthwhile to see if some of the LibreOffice Magazine editors could give some feedback on some issues they have with putting the magazine together. At least the end result would be a more streamlined Draw module able to take on the task of magazine production work. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-users] Re: QA Regular Call
Oops! Sorry for the delay, I have updated the calendar till someone tells me to change it or whenever I notice that the time is changed. Cheers, Marc Le 2014-05-29 11:01, Joel Madero a écrit : At least through August :-D Probably should update the calendar. Thanks! Best, Joel On 05/29/2014 02:09 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Hi Joel Le 2014-05-21 17:15, Joel Madero a écrit : Hi All, We have moved our regular calls to every other week on Wednesday's at 1730 UTC. So next call: Wednesday, June 4th Time: 1730 As always we'll send out at least one reminder prior to the call and we encourage users and all contributors to join. The call is both by phone and video through google hangouts. Warm Regards, Joel Is this a permanent move to every other Wednesday? If so, I will update our events calendar. FYI, the events calendar shows QA meetings are being held on every second Monday's at 6:30-7:30 (-5 UTC Time).(see our events calendar[1]). Cheers, Marc [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/EventsCalendar ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Regular Call
Hi Joel Le 2014-05-21 17:15, Joel Madero a écrit : Hi All, We have moved our regular calls to every other week on Wednesday's at 1730 UTC. So next call: Wednesday, June 4th Time: 1730 As always we'll send out at least one reminder prior to the call and we encourage users and all contributors to join. The call is both by phone and video through google hangouts. Warm Regards, Joel Is this a permanent move to every other Wednesday? If so, I will update our events calendar. FYI, the events calendar shows QA meetings are being held on every second Monday's at 6:30-7:30 (-5 UTC Time).(see our events calendar[1]). Cheers, Marc [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/EventsCalendar -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] The term Online Help (was: Use of abbreviations in this ML)
Hi Jean, Le 2014-01-12 23:25, Jean Weber a écrit : The user guides refer to the built-in Help system which is reached by pressing F1 or choosing Help LibreOffice Help on the menu bar. Built-in may not be the best term but it is short, descriptive, and literal. Is it obvious? Your call. (I still haven't done any research to see what might be a common term these days.) --Jean Thanks for looking it up and reporting back the term. It does seem to be quite clear and unmistakable as a term, and, as we were also talking of an abbreviation for any of the terms: * Built-in Help - BIH or even if we were to do * Built-in Help System - BIHS. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] [SOLVED] Re: .odt to .pdf -- file extension question
Le 2014-01-13 04:30, Marc Paré a écrit : Hi, I am just asking here as I am not sure if this is a bug or a decision made by QA. When I create a document and then choose the option to export to .pdf, the regular PDF window opens, and, all if fine, BUT, when you then go on to Export, the file name that shows automatically has the .odt extension tacked onto the end of the file. This then creates a file with the extension ?.odt original file is then saved as ?.odt.pdf Is this the intended behaviour that we want? Would it not be more appropriate to export the file and stip the original extension off the file? Like this: ?.odt original file should be saved as ?.pdf Cheers, Marc Sorry about that, I'm using the Linux .rpm v.4.2.0.2. After reading both Pedro's and Henri's responses, I wiped my LibreOffice folder in the .config and it now saves as it should. All works great now! There must have been something causing the problem from the changeover from the 4.1.x versions to the 4.2.0.2 version. It was also doing it on the 4.2.0.1 version when I installed it. Anyway, the quick fix does it. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [SOLVED] Re: .odt to .pdf -- file extension question
Hi Markus, Le 2014-01-13 13:19, Markus Mohrhard a écrit : I think I remember it is used for hyprid pdf documents. Regards, Markus Actually, you are talking about Opening a .pdf file which is another thing. My problem was with Exporting to .pdf and not opening. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.2.0 RC2 test builds available
Hi everyone, Le 2014-01-08 12:41, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : Hi *, for the upcoming new version 4.2.0, the builds for rc2 are now available on pre-releases (windows helppacks still uploading) Besides the usual builds, there are also 64bit builds for Mac available for testing. Reminder: Starting with 4.2.0rc1, developers (and people doing some low-level QA) on windows can make use of the symbol server to get pdb files for debugging the release builds. The symbol server's URL is http://dev-downloads.libreoffice.org/symstore/symbols and starting with 4.2.0rc2 the symbol files are also source-indexed¹. This means the debugger can now download and display the sourcecode that corresponds to the build². see https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/How_to_get_a_backtrace_with_WinDbg on how to make use of it See https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/4.2#4.2.0_release for the complete schedule. Grab the builds from here here: http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/ The builds include the full set of languages. If you've a bit of time, please give them a try report any severe bugs not yet in bugzilla here, so we can incorporate them into the release notes. Please note that it takes approximately 24 hours to populate the mirrors, so that's about the time we have to collect feedback. Any idea when the test build for rc2 will show on our Pre-release webpage?[1] Cheers, Marc [1] http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/ -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] The term Online Help (was: Use of abbreviations in this ML)
Le 2014-01-11 08:05, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : Hi Pedro, *, Am 11.01.2014 12:50 schrieb Pedro pedl...@gmail.com mailto:pedl...@gmail.com: [abbreviations or the term Online Help] ... So let's hear some suggestions. I assume everyone will understand which one is meant when they read the term Offline Help in isolation. If you disagree, please also suggest a different term for that. Ciao Christian I have been following this discussion and the only worry I have is that the doc team is not included on it. IMO, Jean should be aware of this discussion as the acronyms and any potential changes may have an effect on the various documentation terminology that is being used in our docs. It would be nice if any changes were coordinated with all affected groups. From my point of view OLH (Online Help), and, from a vernacular point of view for most users, would mean that once you choose that particular link/menu item, that you would be sent online on the internet for the help files. The OLH menu link, when viewed in context in any particular software package, usually means to a user that she/he will be taken to help files for that particular software available on the internet. IMO, if we would want to make it clearer that the help files are NOT online, then another name/acronym should be created to properly describe the menu choice. Making as short, descriptive, obvious and as literal as possible, IMO, should be our primary goal; this will ensure that all competency levels of users (whether newbies or knowledgeable users) are clear as to the menu choice they are making. Perhaps just labelling Help Documents would be sufficient enough. The fact that there is no online will be obvious enough that the user is not being sent online for help docs and that the local files are always accessible to the user. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA-event ??
Hi everyone, Le 2013-11-25 04:25, Thomas Hackert a écrit : oh, yes, no problem, the previous format was on two days, but that could be three :) that would be nice ... ;) Thank you :) Not that I'm available all these days, but it makes it easier for me to join at least some time. So that must (?) be the same for others out there too? Me too ... :( I will only be available 6/12 otherwise ... :( Ok, I change the dates and the pictures and ask for announcement on marketing. Thanks both for your feedback! Thank you for changing the date on the wiki :) Thomas. I have updated the events calendar to the new 3 dates 6-7-8 Dec. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
LibreOffice Conference 2013 Streams
Not at LibreOffice Conference for some reason or another, or you just could not afford the trip? Sit back in your arm chair and join in on the streaming conference channels. There are re-broadcasts of sessions that you may find interesting. You may even want to watch along with a little bruschetta or some risotto, just to make it feel like you are in Milan! :-) You will find the feeds on our LibOCon.org site here: [http://conference.libreoffice.org/2013/en/streams] BTW ... here are some group shots tweeted by Florian ... [https://plus.google.com/photos/116265564718884370181/albums/5927943226881893921] Follow the conference on Twitter @Libocon (not many tweets yet) I wish I could be there, have a great time guys! Cheers, Marc Marketing Team Member (Watching feeds from Canada) -- Marc Paré marc.p...@libreoffice.org http://www.LibreOffice.org http://blog.documentfoundation.org http://www.LibOCon.org http://donate.libreOffice.org ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Outstanding website bugs?
Le 2013-06-28 11:50, Florian Reisinger a écrit : Hi, Am 28.06.2013 um 17:19 schrieb Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com mailto:m...@marcpare.com: [...] I think it would be nice to post a summary of any outstanding bugs like these on the website list so that we could take a second look at them and maybe fix/resolve them. Maybe enlarge the list to include any nl sub-sites, conference site, and maybe the Plone sites. It would give us (members of the website list) a summary list of bugs to work on our spare time. Is there a way to create such a list. I am not to used to create such summaries, but if you point me in the right direction I could try to work it out. Are you looking for something like that: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=316931query_format=advancedbug_status=UNCONFIRMEDbug_status=NEWbug_status=REOPENEDbug_status=NEEDINFOcomponent=WWWproduct=LibreOffice This could be improved, but should be enough for the beginning... Thanks, yes this is fine to work on.I'll re-post on the website list. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Outstanding website bugs?
Just a personal observation that we are now getting very few bugs relating to our TDF and LibreOffice websites ... good news for everyone all round. (This does not relate to any BSA bugs which we are still getting.) I was wondering if there is a list of any remaining LibreOffice website bugs (that is to mean bugs that relate to problems with either our TDF or LibreOffice websites) that we should be looking into? I think it would be nice to post a summary of any outstanding bugs like these on the website list so that we could take a second look at them and maybe fix/resolve them. Maybe enlarge the list to include any nl sub-sites, conference site, and maybe the Plone sites. It would give us (members of the website list) a summary list of bugs to work on our spare time. Is there a way to create such a list. I am not to used to create such summaries, but if you point me in the right direction I could try to work it out. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] BSA and Component WWW-Sub-component
Le 17/04/13 01:20 PM, Rainer Bielefeld a écrit : Marc Paré schrieb: [...] LibreOfficeBox is not in the list. Should it not be included? Hi Marc, I don't think so, for 1 Bug all 3-4 years sub component all other problems should be sufficient ;-) So it looks: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63648 Best regards Rainer Ok, no problem then. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] BSA and Component WWW-Sub-component
I am just filling out a bug and realize the LibreOfficeBox is not in the list. Should it not be included? Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-website] Ask: How can we interoperate with QA and Bugzilla?
Le 15/04/13 12:20 PM, Joel Madero a écrit : Totally understood, when the forum goes live it will add another layer to the puzzle (although my understanding is this *might* replace ask at some point. Just to make this clear, the forums is not going to replace Ask, Ask replaced the need for a FAQ, which is why we do not do FAQ pages on the site. Ask is more efficient for this. Forums are more community based and engaging in either general discussions or discussions that lead to contributions. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Wiki Cleanup - Any Pages not Under ../QA/..?
Le 07/04/13 07:24 PM, Italo Vignoli a écrit : Il 07/04/2013 20:00, Robinson Tryon ha scritto: I'm 'qubit' on most sites, but 'colonelqubit' on Freenode I have met Robinson at LibrePlanet in Boston, and he is really a great guy. Thanks for the note Italo, all these people who need to meet face to face. I know that we should all meet at the LibOCon once a year. I am organizing in the hopes of going to the meet in Italy, but not sure if my body will let me go yet. Sorry I missed you in Boston for the same reasons. Maybe I will have the chance to meet Robinson sometime at another N.American conference in the near future. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: QA Wiki Cleanup - Any Pages not Under ../QA/..?
Le 05/04/13 05:31 PM, Joel Madero a écrit : Hi All, Qubit has done a tremendous amount of work in the past couple days moving QA related wiki pages to their appropriate location (../QA/..) vs under root of wiki or elsewhere. Is anyone aware of pages that should be under QA header but currently are not? If so please let us know so that we can get them moved. Also note that we are starting to formalize some of our processes, we've moved to a much cleaner agenda/minutes setup: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings Thanks Qubit again for the great work! Best, Joel -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com mailto:jmadero@gmail.com I am just curious, who is Qubit? -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Wiki pages cruft cleanup
Le 02/04/13 03:14 PM, Rainer Bielefeld a écrit : Nino Novak schrieb: Am 02.04.2013 11:45, schrieb Bjoern Michaelsen: I cleaned up: Hi, yes, that really looks more pleasing than the boring default Wiki TOC page header, and it is much more clear, well arranged. Best regards Rainer Thanks for doing this. Looks A LOT better!!! Thanks for announcing this on the projects list. The nl teams are supposed to monitor the projects list for things like this and it may encourage them to update/translate the page/site! Thanks! Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Libre Graphics Meeting?
Le 2013-02-13 18:41, Mirek M. a écrit : Hi everyone, In a personal e-mail, Dave Crossland, who offered to help us with font repository integration, asked whether we'd have any representation at the Libre Graphics Meeting in Madrid. The deadline for submitting a proposal for a talk is tomorrow. I would very much be interested in giving a talk on what LibreOffice is doing, but perhaps there are others interested as well (in which case please speak up). Is it alright if I propose a talk? Is there a website? I would like to add it to the events calendar. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla Integration of Impress remote control - Related problems - BUGZILLAASSISTANT
Hi everyone, Le 2013-02-13 06:21, Rainer Bielefeld a écrit : Hi Rob, Hi Marc, if I remember correctly Marc complained that WWW is not a very good Bugzilla Component for BSA related issues, and at least I agree with that assessment. May be following the discussion here will bring up some better ideas? Best regards Rainer My comment on the BSA Bugzilla component was that, when a bug was filed for the BSA, that an email/post was sent to the website team. I thought that it would be more appropriate to send these email updates of BSA-related-submitted bugs to the QA team. I would imagine that there would be better discussion taken up on the QA team than on the website team where most of the team members are more concerned with infrastructure decisions and of correcting high/low level corrections to the website. From what I can see, the BSA bugs have more to to with its coding as well as issues having more to deal with QA. I am not sure if this impacts the placement of the Impress remote control BUT I am a huge fan of the BSA and would hope that it would remain as accessible as possible for our users to report bugs. However, I am also a huge fan of the Impress remote. So, to me, from a user's point of view, I would expect to see the Impress remote in the Presentation component. It would be the natural place for me to seek. I don't believe that it would be any more advantageous to put the Impress remote as a top component. As far as the BSA, ideally, I would probably look for it as a component of its own. I think that most tools/software usually offer a direct link to collect user suggestions of repairs/fixes (typically found in the Help menu). So, having the BSA as a top component in the list would get my vote (maybe shorten it to Bug Assistant component). I don't believe users would expect to see the BSA in the WWW component. I am not sure if this is the information you were looking for. Rainer: Thanks for the amazing work on the bug issues. It is a huge job that people are just not that aware if its needs. Neither are they aware enough of the time you spend on it. Thanks for all of this. Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Question about BUG 54206 fix for v.4.0
Le 2013-02-11 16:06, Michael Meeks a écrit : On Mon, 2013-02-11 at 19:26 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote: Otherwise, the file is available at the URL, since we have added an alias to the web server. I see no problem with tweaking the URL in our own readme file in future at least. Patches welcome. ATB, Michael. I have never submitted a patch and would be most thankful if someone could mentor me on the process. If you have the time. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Bugs and Fixed Resolved Closed status
I am just going through some bug fixing and stuff, and, I was wondering if this were possible. Some of the bugs are being redirected to the lists. This is really helpful and, in my experience it works at mobilizing the teams to work on them. I was wondering, would it be possible to make it so that when a bug has reached the status of Fixed and/or Resolves and/or Closed, would it be possible for this to trigger Bugzilla to email back to the list of its ClosedFixedResolved etc. status? It would be neat if the teams had a report for when the bug was no longer in need of attention. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Release Notes -- Calc section -- missing screenshot?
I am just about to update the website release notes pages with the new additions/corrections to the wiki release notes page. There seems to be a problem (on the wiki release notes page[1]) with a screenshot that I imagine was destined for the Calc section that says: Automatically rotate chart axis labels if they are overlapping. This fix also improves detection of overlap while rotating labels. (Muthu Subramanian) Note the missing screenshot file. Was it not uploaded properly or was it deleted from the wiki site? Cheers, Marc [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.0#Calc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Gerrit question for the v.4.0 Release webpage
Le 2013-02-05 02:43, Norbert Thiebaud a écrit : On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:33 PM, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com wrote: We have added the gerrit section of the release notes page to the website 4.0 Release Notes page[1] but one of the nl site maintainers has pointed out that the section: ssh logerrit gerrit query status:merged|grep change|wc -l for number of merged patches will not allow a user to see any changes as you need the right user permissions to do this? Yes you need the right ACL to run that command. Or should there be more clearer instructions on how to get to the number of merged patches on gerrit for a user to get to? There is no such instructions available to 'user' in general, as there is no easy way to get that number. Nor do I want even people that have the appropiate ACL, running the query above randomly, as that is quite an expensive query both in bandwidth and cache-trashing. Norbert. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice Thanks for the response Norbert, So, do we just ignore it on our v.4.0 Release and Fixes website(s) page? Should we remove that particular line? IMO, I don't think any user would even bother asking about it, even if we left it on, plus, there is nothing anyone can really do with that particular line anyway, right? BTW, only one of the native language site maintainers pointed this out to me and was wondering what to do with it. If there is no harm in putting it there, then I'll just say to leave it on there. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Gerrit question for the v.4.0 Release webpage
We have added the gerrit section of the release notes page to the website 4.0 Release Notes page[1] but one of the nl site maintainers has pointed out that the section: ssh logerrit gerrit query status:merged|grep change|wc -l for number of merged patches will not allow a user to see any changes as you need the right user permissions to do this? Or should there be more clearer instructions on how to get to the number of merged patches on gerrit for a user to get to? We will probably post the website page before we get an answer to this, but I'll send a correction notice to the nl site maintainers of a correction if there is one. Cheers, Marc [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.0#Infrastructure -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
CMIS + LibreOffice integration video with EN voice over
FYI, Leif Lodahl has just uploaded a video with steps to CMIS + LibreOffice integration with EN voice over.[1] Thanks Leif! Marc [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2bbnyAjMeMfeature=youtu.be -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Question about BUG 54206 fix for v.4.0
Le 2013-01-28 07:54, Marc Paré a écrit : Sorry for the double post. Le 2013-01-28 06:58, Florian Effenberger a écrit : Hi, Rainer Bielefeld wrote on 2013-01-26 17:13: Do we really need a copy of the readme on the site? [..] I also doubt that such copy is necessary. If we need it because of legl reasons, we need a TOC with links to readme files in all available languages and for all different public versions. I miss the plot on this - which readme are you talking about? ;) Florian It's the readme file whey you unpack the package before going through the installation process. See bugzilla [https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54206] for more details. All OS installs get it, and, in all native language groups. Cheers, Marc Florian has fixed the problem with a redirect. I also checked the nl versions and it looks like they also have the same readme file in EN, so the redirect will work for all. I am closing the bug BUT the mention of the link in the readme file, IMO, should be removed. Unless there are any reasons for the link to be there it should be removed. Rainer: If this is the case, could someone patch this? No hurry as there is a redirect on the faulty link. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs
Le 2013-01-28 08:13, Petr Mladek a écrit : On Mon, 2013-01-28 at 10:05 +0100, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: Petr Mladek schrieb: This will cause many mails only in the first round. It will be normal level of mails if we do this regularly. Hi, That's an illusion, total number of mails will always be the the same. Only the number of mails per cleanup will be smaller. IMHO, there is a difference when you get 100 mails now because we want to clean up the current mess or when you get 5 mails per week when we do this regularly. BTW, I dislike the noise the discussed 3 strikes solution will cause. I'm thinking about a different solution: I am against 3 strike solution as well :-) My opinion is that it would cause to big traffic and do not help much. If people does not react for the first warning, there is only small chance that they would react on the second or third one. Strike 1: Query will find NEEDINFO bugs untouched for a long time and fulfilling some additional hopeless criteria. Reporter's of these bugs will get polite mail with request to contribute additional info that we will have to close the bug without additional info. This mailing only send mails to reporters, will not change any info in the Bugs, so that data as Days since last change and similar will be available for other queries. List of related bugs will be published on QA list That's not a big technical challenge, I think I can create required tools (what can be used fur further actions in future easily) within 1 hour. Strike 2 After 7 Days: Query for all Bugs for what mails have been sent in Strike 1: - Changed since mail (probably by reporter): QA will take care - NOT changed: Mass close via Bugzilla with polite message Sorry ..., but feel free to reopen if ... What do think? I like this solution. It is polite and creates only one change in bugzilla. BTW, I would not do that too often. Sometimes it's simply not easy for reporter to contribute desired info, for example because bug is not simple to reproduce. May be such bugs can be marked by entry of a QA Mentor in QA contact or similar. I would do this regularly to keep bugzilla clean and avoid masschanges in hunderts of bugs. There are different reporters, so we will not touch the same reporter in each round. IMHO, the most important is to give user chance to answer before the first warning (30 days or so). Best Regards, Petr Sure, then no problem with this, but, let's not forget that some of our users are reporting in EN and that this may not be their 1st language. If it needs more info, we should also try as well to look at it enough to try at first to fill in the blanks ourselves. The bug report may be critical enough to look at. I would also be concerned that whoever is triaging may themselves have trouble understanding the report and just dismiss it as needinfo and then send it back to the user. Many users would then see it more as a sign of apathy on our part thinking I submitted the bug and they are just not interested in fixing the problem I told them about ... Add to this that our users all have lives, jobs etc. and that the bug reporting takes time to submit on their part and that for most it is to help us with having LibreOffice work the right way. So, we should not send users messages in any way that may sound like their bug is useless; the message should be really appreciative of their time that they have given us in reporting the bug and that we would really like to fix it but it needs just a little more information for us to understand the problem. We need to keep them engaged in the bug reporting process. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Question about BUG 54206 fix for v.4.0
Le 2013-01-28 06:58, Florian Effenberger a écrit : Hi, Rainer Bielefeld wrote on 2013-01-26 17:13: Do we really need a copy of the readme on the site? [..] I also doubt that such copy is necessary. If we need it because of legl reasons, we need a TOC with links to readme files in all available languages and for all different public versions. I miss the plot on this - which readme are you talking about? ;) Florian It's the readme file whey you unpack the package before going through the installation process. See bugzilla [https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54206] for more details. All OS installs get it, and, in all native language groups. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Question about BUG 54206 fix for v.4.0
Sorry for the double post. Le 2013-01-28 06:58, Florian Effenberger a écrit : Hi, Rainer Bielefeld wrote on 2013-01-26 17:13: Do we really need a copy of the readme on the site? [..] I also doubt that such copy is necessary. If we need it because of legl reasons, we need a TOC with links to readme files in all available languages and for all different public versions. I miss the plot on this - which readme are you talking about? ;) Florian It's the readme file whey you unpack the package before going through the installation process. See bugzilla [https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54206] for more details. All OS installs get it, and, in all native language groups. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stagnant NEEDINFO bugs
Hi Joel, If you are asking our opinion on these ... Le 2013-01-26 17:22, Joel Madero a écrit : Hi All, During our last QA call we came up with a plan for NEEDINFO bugs that have been stagnant for 6+ months. I've decided to remove this from the minutes because there are some concerns about the agreement that was made. It was requested that we have a discussion through a thread about what we should do about these bugs. Let's try to keep this thread moving and organized so we can make a decision once and for all. Goal should be to minimize flare ups from users while keeping in mind that our long term QA goal is to get FDO organized, accurate and under control. With that, I'll let the thread move forward :-D Options: (feel free to add) a) Leave them alone, accept that most will just sit in NEEDINFO forever b) Automate a reminder for these bugs and leave it at that, if it doesn't lead to anything, so be it, leave the bugs alone c) a reminder + automated closing of bug after some period of time d) a 3 strikes type system - send one reminder, a month later send a second with a warning the bug will be closed, then close the bug These are the options that come to mind. Best Regards, Joel P.S. Florian - please hold off on writing something about our previous agreement until we reach some consensus here. +1 for d) BUT make it a real 3 strikes. one reminder, a month later send another reminder, a month later send the last reminder with a warning that the bug will be closed in one month. The 3-strikes concept is understandable to most people and I believe the submitter would be more understanding if the bug were closed. It also gives more than an abundant amount of time to fill out the missing details of the bug -- from start to end would take 4 months. This would hopefully quiet the noise from disgruntled submitters and allow QA people enough time to get to them if they find some of them important enough for a closer look. Hopefully most of these would be taken care in shorter amount of time. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
ES user thanking the developers
Sorry for the noise regarding this, but I thought it would be nice to post here to the people it was addressed to: From Daniel Rodriguez (our LibreOffice ES community lead) who let's us know of a user on the ES list: == I want to share with you the transcript of a message sent to the spanish user list by a writer who describes his charm using LibreOffice Writer. I want to witness that LibreOffice Writer was a real finding. I've simplified the most book editing and its presentation in PDF and ePub formats. And the receivers of these versions are delighted. Congratulations to the technicians who developed this great product and correspondents who helped me to enter this unsuspected world. Best regards and happy year for everyone. Jorge Frosa, Buenos Aires, Argentina || Original Mesage http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/es/users/msg01572.html == Cheers and thanks to the devs for all of your work from the many of us who use LibreOffice. Marc Marketing/Website team member -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Funding Wishlist
Hi Thorsten and Michael, Le 2013-01-09 10:11, Michael Meeks a écrit : On Wed, 2013-01-09 at 15:59 +0100, Lubos Lunak wrote: Hello, I'd like to ask, is there any plan to have such a mac machine? Or preferably a shared mac build host where developers could test their changes or find out more about tinderboxes breakages (which are sometimes rather hard to debug from just the log)? Thanks. Agreed - I'd love to have a couple of fast Mac machines co-located with a couple of good developers who can tend them and help isolate / reproduce nasty Mac bugs :-) We should certainly add that to the formal list of wishes from development: anything else ? some more focused hack-fests (for each component ?). All the best, Michael. I am going around the list and picking up their wishlist items and updating the Funding Priorities wiki page[1]. Is there a way that you could give me a list of equipment needed for this, even if you do not have the costs? Someone from this list could always add them later -- better yet if you could cost it out soon. Cheers, Marc [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Funding_Priorities -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] BSA bugs and fixes
Hi Joel Le 2012-12-21 13:43, Joel Madero a écrit : On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 10:29 AM, libreoffice-qa-requ...@lists.freedesktop.org mailto:libreoffice-qa-requ...@lists.freedesktop.org wrote: I am just wondering about the BSA bugs that show up on the Website list. Is there anyone working on these on a regular basis? If there is, a big thanks! I am just hoping that they are not just ending up on the website list and not being worked on. If I could code, I would definitely be working on these as I am a big fan of the BSA, but ... unfortunately ... the last time I did serious coding FORTRAN was the favourite language, not to mention punch cards! Okey, I'm old :-) Rob is our go to for BSA bugs, he's been fantastic at getting them taken care of quickly. Can you link to the list that you are seeing and we'll point him in that direction? Regards, Joel -- *Joel Madero* LibO QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com mailto:jmadero@gmail.com Thanks. I am just going over the bug reports on the website list. I'll take care of marking them fixed/closed (on the website list) when they are worked on. There just seemed so many of the BSA, but now I see that Rob (Snelders) is, as you say, taking care of these. I am trying to keep up to the Website bug reports (that do not require coding skills :-))as they come in. I'll let Rob know if any of these on the website list have not been dealt with. Thanks to all of you in QA for doing such a great job! I know it is pretty busy. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] BSA bugs and fixes
I am just wondering about the BSA bugs that show up on the Website list. Is there anyone working on these on a regular basis? If there is, a big thanks! I am just hoping that they are not just ending up on the website list and not being worked on. If I could code, I would definitely be working on these as I am a big fan of the BSA, but ... unfortunately ... the last time I did serious coding FORTRAN was the favourite language, not to mention punch cards! Okey, I'm old :-) Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-marketing] Funding Wishlist
Le 2012-12-03 19:27, Bjoern Michaelsen a écrit : Just from a quick scan on kickstarter, here are some that are getting good returns in the technology area (in addition to a bazilion eBooks): http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/maxcantor/beautiful-vim-cheat-sheet-poster?ref=card http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/vincenthorn/buddhist-geeks-conference-2012?ref=card http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2083649206/the-d-programming-language-conference-2013-0?ref=card seems conferences and documentation seem to be good targets. Best, Bjoern ___ Looks like a good idea to fund some projects -- TDF/LibreOffice conferences. Maybe the BoD should look at posting conferences on kickstarter as well as on the website for the next conference. I don't think we could do anything on our own to push for TDF/LibreOffice funding unless we had the official backing of the TDF. If a funding drive fails, I imagine the money needs to be returned to the donors. Good idea though. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: Funding Wishlist
Le 2012-11-21 15:33, Joel Madero a écrit : QA Team will discuss this at our next meeting next Friday (9 days from today), is this quick enough or should I push it faster and get a mailing out? Thanks Marc for doing this. Regards, Joel -- *Joel Madero* LibO QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com mailto:jmadero@gmail.com I have a note sent in to Florian about this, I'll get back to the teams if there is a deadline date. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Shared Mac build host
Le 2012-11-22 05:06, Michael Meeks a écrit : On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 08:53 -0600, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: It would be best if TDF owned outright at least enough hardware to be able to to a release on all supported platform.. Agreed. In fact I thing we should have a pair of each. one that cna be 'lent' to dev to allow them to debug/test things for bug that they cannot reproduce on their own hardware That would be really useful; being able to ssh to and poke about inside a reasonably live / well-configured machine to fix odd tinderbox breakage and so on. Even better would be having the man-power to administer keep that stuff working - extended even to tinderbox hardware so we can free up developers that do that currently :-) Good ideas :-) Michael. It would be good if you could make a clear wishlist item along with an approximate cost. As long as it is approximate, it will make it easier to estimate budgetary need for the items. BTW ... if any of this should be an amortized budgetary item(s) then you should also write it in. For example, if there is a hardware item that should be replaced every 2-3-4-x years, write this in so that the BoD know that this item will need replacing (amortized) over a period of X years. It will make it easier to forecast the needs of the dev team. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Website Bug quashing success?
Hi Rainer, Le 2012-11-20 14:15, Rainer Bielefeld a écrit : Marc Paré schrieb: I am just wondering, now that it has been a couple of months since website-related bugs have been copied to the website mailing list, Hi, my personal impression is that that brought some improvement, an least for my personal work. a) I save time -- In the past it was not sure whether someone will take care, so I had to observe the bug, often to post in the mailing list additionally to the bug report. Now I can be sure that the web team will see the new bug report, no further action necessary. b) results come faster -- In the 4 Months before we got that proceeding, we had 57 bug reports, [1] 5 of them [2] became fixed within that period (9%) In the 4 Months after we got that proceeding, we had 96 bug reports, [3] 36 of them [4] became fixed within that period (38%) Unfortunately I do not know a way to find out the average time between report and fix. Of course it would be naive to attribute that progress only to the new CC proceeding, But I believe it's part of the progress. d) Miscellaneous It seems Bugzilla now is used more consequently for all Website related problems, what might ease to find website related bugs. In the early past it seemed that some bus were announced on the webiste list, others in Bugzilla and some others somewhere else. And where ever someone wrote concerning a bug he observed he got news that that problem already is in discussion at an other place. But to be honest, I do not have a complete overview concerning this problem. Best Regards Rainer Hyperlinks [1] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?f1=creation_tslist_id=168372o1=lessthanemailtype1=substringo2=greaterthanquery_format=advancedf2=creation_tsemail1=website%40global.libreoffice.orgv1=2012-06-30component=WWWv2=2012-02-28product=LibreOffice [2] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?f1=creation_tslist_id=168370o1=lessthanemailtype1=substringo2=greaterthanchfieldto=2012-06-30chfield=resolutionquery_format=advancedchfieldfrom=2012-02-28f2=creation_tschfieldvalue=FIXEDemail1=website%40global.libreoffice.orgv1=2012-06-30component=WWWv2=2012-02-28product=LibreOffice [3] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?f1=creation_tslist_id=168375o1=lessthanemailtype1=substringo2=greaterthanquery_format=advancedchfield=resolutionf2=creation_tsemail1=website%40global.libreoffice.orgv1=2012-10-30component=WWWv2=2012-06-30product=LibreOffice [4] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?f1=creation_tslist_id=168373o1=lessthanemailtype1=substringo2=greaterthanchfieldto=2012-10-30query_format=advancedchfield=resolutionchfieldfrom=2012-06-30f2=creation_tschfieldvalue=FIXEDemail1=website%40global.libreoffice.orgv1=2012-10-30component=WWWv2=2012-06-30product=LibreOffice ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ Thanks for looking it up and for the links. It does look promising. From my perspective, for closing website related issues, it would be nice if there was one more person on the website team who would also help in fixing bugs that in involve coding issues as these I cannot do. However, I can confirm bugs on most. I do like this method though of sending them to the website mailing list. Thanks for doing all of this work, it is really appreciated. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: Funding Wishlist
Hi everyone, Just to clarify. We are really looking for your team's wishlist and it must be of budgetary consideration. This is not a wishlist for new UX-designs, new logos etc. The wishlist should really be discussed with your other team members so that we can get a better view of the needs of the different LibreOffice teams. For example: website team is looking at infrastructure (big and small); the marketing team is discussing the possibility of Booth kits to be deployed/shipped to areas/regions where conference materials are in desperate need. Leave me a message on this thread is you have any questions. Please do not send me your personal wishlists; I will go around and collect the wishlists from your list/thread later or as I see your discussions and decisions are made. Cheers, Marc Le 2012-11-18 09:32, Marc Paré a écrit : Hi everyone, Just a reminder to your teams about this. We are seriously looking at different teams' wishlists. Please do take a little time out of your busy schedule and speak to your teams about any funding for items that you think may be of importance to your team or the enhance the functioning of your team's work on the project. So far there are only the website and marketing teams who are working on some items. Feel free to ask if you have any questions regarding this. At this point, anything goes, as long as the requests are reasonable. We need these items for planning more effective funding drives as well as for budgeting. It would really help if your suggestions come along with approximate costs where possible. Cheers, Marc Le 2012-10-13 16:45, marc.p...@libreoffice.org a écrit : Hi everyone, In trying to better assess the TDF/LibreOffice funding requirements, we are compiling a wishlist of funding request particular to your team's needs. While there is no guarantee that this will get you funding for any particular item, it will help to better assess and prioritize the project's needs. I have volunteered to take care of setting up, as well as, document (facilitate) the proposal from Florian (below)[1] snip == What we effectively need now is a (senseful) wishlist from the various teams. Think of it as a Christmas wishlist: You write a dozen things on it, eventually you get two or three, which is fantastic! Besides the infrastructure and cost for ongoing operations, I can also imagine some developer machines are required, more travel funding, a marketing campaign, funds to produce collaterals and swags for giving them away, and many more. My proposal is to create a wiki page, asking the various groups to write down their wishes, and eventually distill a wishlist out of that. Does that sound senseful? Are there any volunteers for mailing the various lists and compiling an initial wiki page? (Florian Effenberger) == I think the key words in Florian's proposal are senseful-whishlist. If there are multiple items, you may want to prioritize them in the right order. I have set up a wiki page to collect your team's list[2]. Feel free to add these to the wiki page after discussing it with your team, or, I can also help out with collecting your suggestions by re-visiting this thread and then add them to the wiki page. Cheers, Marc [1] http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentation.libreoffice.marketing/6143 [2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Funding_Priorities -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Funding Wishlist
Hi everyone, Just a reminder to your teams about this. We are seriously looking at different teams' wishlists. Please do take a little time out of your busy schedule and speak to your teams about any funding for items that you think may be of importance to your team or the enhance the functioning of your team's work on the project. So far there are only the website and marketing teams who are working on some items. Feel free to ask if you have any questions regarding this. At this point, anything goes, as long as the requests are reasonable. We need these items for planning more effective funding drives as well as for budgeting. It would really help if your suggestions come along with approximate costs where possible. Cheers, Marc Le 2012-10-13 16:45, marc.p...@libreoffice.org a écrit : Hi everyone, In trying to better assess the TDF/LibreOffice funding requirements, we are compiling a wishlist of funding request particular to your team's needs. While there is no guarantee that this will get you funding for any particular item, it will help to better assess and prioritize the project's needs. I have volunteered to take care of setting up, as well as, document (facilitate) the proposal from Florian (below)[1] snip == What we effectively need now is a (senseful) wishlist from the various teams. Think of it as a Christmas wishlist: You write a dozen things on it, eventually you get two or three, which is fantastic! Besides the infrastructure and cost for ongoing operations, I can also imagine some developer machines are required, more travel funding, a marketing campaign, funds to produce collaterals and swags for giving them away, and many more. My proposal is to create a wiki page, asking the various groups to write down their wishes, and eventually distill a wishlist out of that. Does that sound senseful? Are there any volunteers for mailing the various lists and compiling an initial wiki page? (Florian Effenberger) == I think the key words in Florian's proposal are senseful-whishlist. If there are multiple items, you may want to prioritize them in the right order. I have set up a wiki page to collect your team's list[2]. Feel free to add these to the wiki page after discussing it with your team, or, I can also help out with collecting your suggestions by re-visiting this thread and then add them to the wiki page. Cheers, Marc [1] http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentation.libreoffice.marketing/6143 [2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Funding_Priorities -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Blog on QA
Le 2012-11-12 07:34, Sophie Gautier a écrit : Hi all, For information, I published a blog about QA http://sophiegautier.com/blog/index.php/2012/11/12/184-are-you-a-contributor-part-6-qa If you see anything missing, pleas add a comment. Thanks! Kind regards Sophie Merci Sophie! It is nice that you have done this for all sections. Very much appreciated. Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: minutes of ESC call ...
Hi, Le 2012-11-09 03:16, Jan Holesovsky a écrit : Hi, Michael Meeks píše v Čt 08. 11. 2012 v 16:39 +: + bundling libre logo ? (Andras) + cf. motivational mail to dev list + around 200k with icons license etc. + is it useful for office suite users (Stephan) + useful for school children fun in draw + not eager for bundled extensions + built it into the core (Stephan) It is a bit unclear here; I think the not eager for bundled extensions, built it into the core was more a general statement than resolution of the LibreLogo bundling - like, I understood it so that if we decide to bundle an extension, it should be on the basis that the long term goal is to integrate that functionality into the core. I myself would prefer not to bundle LibreLogo, but instead improve our extension download / installation experience in general - like some 'featured selection' of extensions that we would be able to show in the Start Centre, or something. Of course, until it happens, why to block a nice feature :-) - but I don't think we should make its toolbar visible by default, which consequently means that very few people will know about that anyway; something that is more easily fixable (blogging, etc.) if it is an (unbundled) extension. All the best, Kendy ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice As an elementary school teacher who ran a FR logo clubs and EN logo clubs with Canadian gr. 6-7-8 students, I can tell you already, there is no need to add this as a bundled extension. Logo is no longer taught in our Math programs (I am extremely sad about this). But, my point is that LibreLogo is just too much of a specialized bundle that most teachers would expect to find as an extension and not as a bundled extension. Lego Robotics are more popular at the elementary/secondary panel and there is usually funding available for hardware/software purchases from local sponsors for it. As a teacher, I would rather see more clipart available in Gallery. I can't tell you how many times the students asked me if there was more clipart available. At least the additional clipart would be available to 100% of the users whereas LibreLogo only for a very select few. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 3.6 Features webpage -- update Most Annoying Bugs section
Le 2012-11-07 21:05, V Stuart Foote a écrit : Marc, Splittin' hairs, but since only the --a11y-- fdo#53474 bug remains in the MAB segment you might want to adjust the in time for 3.6.0 release to read in time for the 3.6.3 release instead. Stuart. Yup. Good catch. Done. Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice Help-Send Feedback BSA
I just noticed that when in LibreOffice, if I have a problem and want to send feedback, I go to Help-Send Feedback, my browser opens to the BSA page. All looks great. BUT, at this point, if I want to leave some feedback and don't have a bugzilla account (which, in all probability the user will not have), I am redirected to the bugzilla account registration page. I then register and email address which sends a confirmation email to my emailer to which I click on the link which then opens my browser to the Freedesktop bugzilla page with a list of approximately 50 projects to which I have to find LibreOffice. I then click on the link and I am taken to the LibreOffice Freedesktop bugzilla page. These are quite a few steps for a user who wishes to leave feedback on the suite. Would there be a way to have instead: If I want to send feedback, I go to Help-Send Feedback, my browser opens to the BSA page. If I don't have a bugzilla account, a popup window opens to the Freedesktop registration page, I enter an email address, the popup window closes. I receive the confirmation link in my mailer where I click on the link, create a password and log out. My BSA is still open, then I can just log in. Ideally, it would be better if this could be all done in the BSA window, but I realize that the Freedesktop bugzilla has its own registration routine that we must follow. I just find that the Send Feedback process could be made a little more user friendly as the BSA is a wonderful tool from a user point of view. we should try to keep the user feedback in the BSA as much as possible. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: Forums Proposal
Hi Norbert, Le 2012-10-07 12:57, Norbert Thiebaud a écrit : On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com wrote: * move the list to a forum (there would be a short transitional period where the mailing list/forums would exist together and then the mailing list would be closed. OR if by 'the list' you mean the dev mailing list... then that option is a no starter. Norbert Thanks for your input. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Forums Proposal
Le 2012-10-07 05:27, Bjoern Michaelsen a écrit : Hi, On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 06:42:42PM -0400, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2012-10-06 17:20, Bjoern Michaelsen a écrit : On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 04:26:18PM -0400, Marc Paré wrote: No sure if we were talking about empty hall, I am hoping to help fill them. :-) Yes, just like a night club opening with fewer floors in the early evening, so that they are not that empty -- and open more floors later. ;) Sorry, doesn't work for me. If the place is too full with noise, I can't hear myself think and I go elsewhere where people like me congregate ... in this case the AOO forums. _If_ the place is too full with noise, we will quickly be able to split out forums. My suggestion is just not to do that earlier. ;) Well, I guess we can just agree to disagree and wait for others to chime in on the discussion. If our resources allow us to do it, then I say go for it, no point driving the race car slowly on the track when you have the team and resources behind you. :-) Do you think we will have some 3-5 regulars in a templates forum? If not, I would postpone separating those out until such a group condesates and asks for it. Well, I would rather give it a try, we do have a template site that we should be supporting with a forums. This would give us a chance to get more traction right from the start. I dont believe that a separate forum gives you more traction, if you do not have 3-5 regulars in it -- rather the opposite. As both closing forums and underpopulated/abandoned forums are demotivational and unhelpful, I am stand by my opinion that not having one at the start is better. Once 3-5 regulars for that topic are around and ask for it, we can add that forum -- which is motivating as it suggests growth and gives the forum a better kickstart (esp. since we can make an announcement for the start of that forum on its own then). Well, we could have that forum already developed and easily identify the 2-3 regulars who are interested if they come. There is no problem with collapsing a forum and blending it in to another later after having given it a try. But then, again, we can agree to disagree on this as well. All in all I can't say I agree on your approach to forums. You seem to expect the brunt of all activity on a forums to come from the participants. More of a let's wait for them to come approach. Hence, the lets start with few categories and break out later. This is more of a passive approach to running a forums I, however, think that a good categorization of a forums will have a better appeal to our users and with good moderation will fill. I also think that we should not only moderate, but also create buzz on our forums. Moderators are not only there to help direct traffic (un-obtrusively) but also create buzz and discussion. If moderators sign up for the job, then they should commit to grow their forums and make them attractive for user appeal. If a forum has become silent, then it would be up to the forums admins to sit and determine the actions to market and help popularize it. This is more of an aggressive approach to growing a forums. You currently have 5 forum coordinators, which is a very good size to start off (a bigger group will only lead to more communication overhead). If you want to actively vitalize the forums, you should not start with much more than ~2 forums per coordinator, otherwise you stretch yourself too thin. We are planning on 2 per forum, we are at the categorization point now and will follow through with the search for moderators on our next step. As you grow the team, win more regulars, admins and coordinators, you can easily add categories. You will do anyway -- no matter what initial categorization you setup. Thus the _initial_ categorization is important to be optimized to generate growth in the first 2-3 month, it should not be the 'final' or 'perfect' categorization for a huge board system (because the first is the precondition for the second). You should also make sure to empower those joining you as forum regulars and coordinators and there is no easier way to archive that than by letting them take part of the growth by creating 'their' additional forum. Linus Torvalds said on 2004-10-25: Nobody should start to undertake a large project. You start with a small trivial project, and you should never expect it to get large. If you do, you'll just overdesign and generally think it is more important than it likely is at that stage. Or worse, you might be scared away by the sheer size of the work you envision. So start small, and think about the details. Don't think about some big picture and fancy design. If it doesn't solve some fairly immediate need, it's almost certainly over-designed. And don't expect people to jump in and help you. That's not how these things work. You need to get something half-way useful first, and then others will say hey, that almost works for me, and they'll get
Forums Proposal
There is a forums proposal on the discuss list[1] and on it we have proposed a forum category for this list[2]. There are 2 major sections to the LibreOffice Forums, there is a User forums section and a Contributor forums section. The contributor section of the website is where serious contributor work gets done for the project -- a clear distinction from the user section which is there to help users in need. The contributor forums mirror those of the mailing lists and these are to give the option to those mailing lists who would prefer to use the forums instead of mailing lists or would like to test the members' response to a possible move to the forums. * Note that both sections will be open to public; we are hoping that this will help promote the contributor side of LibreOffice and to encourage those who are interested to move to contributor teams. We are hoping to hear from a lead in this list (after discussion with your members) as to whether you would like to: * move the list to a forum (there would be a short transitional period where the mailing list/forums would exist together and then the mailing list would be closed. OR * not use the forums at all (at which point the forum would be deleted from the forums site). OR * test-try using both the forum and this mailing list for a period of time after which you would decide on which one to keep. A test-period of perhaps 6-9 months may be enough to accomplish this. Feel free to respond on this thread or to any of the co-coordinators should you have any questions. The LibreOffice Forums co-coordinators: Jonathan Aquilina, Lucian Oprea, Joel Madero, Marc Paré, Jean Spiteri [1] http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.discuss/8319 [2] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At9lOM8_6gsLdDBmOUJVOURpM0hmNTgySWxCV0VzVWc#gid=0 -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Forums Proposal
Le 2012-10-06 17:20, Bjoern Michaelsen a écrit : On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 04:26:18PM -0400, Marc Paré wrote: No sure if we were talking about empty hall, I am hoping to help fill them. :-) Yes, just like a night club opening with fewer floors in the early evening, so that they are not that empty -- and open more floors later. ;) Sorry, doesn't work for me. If the place is too full with noise, I can't hear myself think and I go elsewhere where people like me congregate ... in this case the AOO forums. Not sure about this. We were given the mandate to concentrate on the US market specifically. You may have noticed that there are already few mails on the US mailing list (of which I am part), but I believe that we are set to re-buid post-LibOCon. From what I can see, the largest problem with the US is the lack of marcons for the group, which has always been front-and-centre of all serious discussions. I would favour keeping the US separate and closing the mailing list. How does keeping the US separate help kicking off a US marketing community? Better to hatch it in the marketing forum until it can fly on its own. It has already been hatched and given its own life. It would drown in any other list. Otherwise, un-mandate and refocus on another sector. I would still favour a list on its own. We are trying to get a market of around 320 million users on-board and I think its worth being a little more focused in this one. We need a re-boot on this one. not sure if I like that idea. I would rather see what most users looking for help are looking for on arrival on our forums -- a breakdown in forums where they can locate their application section and leave a message. Sending our users in need of help to a soup-bowl mix of messages will only confuse them and add more stress. I would rather have the obvious breakdown on our forums site. If there are alpha-beta problems with any of the modules, then it would seem to me better for our users to see them already in their own categories. 'Open beta' has nothing to do with our releases. Its just as long as we test and explore the forum. But yes, I think we should start with a general 'applications' forum and am uncertain if a Math forum would really be helpful, if it does not attach regulars. - Templates are unlikely to support a forum on their own from the start. Yup, but on the other hand, it is a good collection point where we can encourage ideas on templates and hope some devs will pick up on it. Its a two-way street. If we hope to attract users to our contributor forums/mailing lists, then we should also hope to attract devs to our user forums. Let's give this one a shot. I am interested in this one, particularly considering the lack of template ideas on the lists. It will be a good collection point for ideas. Do you think we will have some 3-5 regulars in a templates forum? If not, I would postpone separating those out until such a group condesates and asks for it. Well, I would rather give it a try, we do have a template site that we should be supporting with a forums. This would give us a chance to get more traction right from the start. I have no problems with this either. Although, I can see others having problems with it. I was never too clear on what the projects mailing list was all about as it seems we are all advertising on it and discussions are happening more and more on it. It may be better to have a Discuss forum with a sub-forum Projects where only decided projects are announced. The discuss list is very active and it is hard to pull projects from any of the threads. Well, on the mailing lists, there is a benefit of separating the projects list for important 'semi-official' stuff like minutes of calls from the noise and volume of unrestrained brainstorming. However, a forum does not pollute an inbox as a mailing list does and an it is possible to move off topic threads out of it, before they create trouble. Not really sure what you mean. Not sure about this. I would prefer the marketing punch of a LibOLounge (where some of the characters look like :-b) or any other clever stuff that our user-base can come up in a competition. and, we should have a disclaimer sticky on it as well as the rules for off-topic conversations. We should not be afraid to stick our name in on the fun room rather than have it only associated with the serious part of the project. Life is too short. Well, take it as a personal opinion and something for people to keep in mind when voting on the proposals in the competition. ;) I don't really think this is a big concern from my end. Not sure if it should be. If it is it would come from the BoD I guess. Best, Bjoern All in all I can't say I agree on your approach to forums. You seem to expect the brunt of all activity on a forums to come from the participants. More of a let's wait for them to come approach. Hence
[Libreoffice-qa] Forums Proposal
There is a forums proposal on the discuss list[1] and on it we have proposed a forum category for this list[2]. There are 2 major sections to the LibreOffice Forums, there is a User forums section and a Contributor forums section. The contributor section of the website is where serious contributor work gets done for the project -- a clear distinction from the user section which is there to help users in need. The contributor forums mirror those of the mailing lists and these are to give the option to those mailing lists who would prefer to use the forums instead of mailing lists or would like to test the members' response to a possible move to the forums. * Note that both sections will be open to public; we are hoping that this will help promote the contributor side of LibreOffice and to encourage those who are interested to move to contributor teams. We are hoping to hear from a lead in this list (after discussion with your members) as to whether you would like to: * move the list to a forum (there would be a short transitional period where the mailing list/forums would exist together and then the mailing list would be closed. OR * not use the forums at all (at which point the forum would be deleted from the forums site). OR * test-try using both the forum and this mailing list for a period of time after which you would decide on which one to keep. A test-period of perhaps 6-9 months may be enough to accomplish this. Feel free to respond on this thread or to any of the co-coordinators should you have any questions. The LibreOffice Forums co-coordinators: Jonathan Aquilina, Lucian Oprea, Joel Madero, Marc Paré, Jean Spiteri [1] http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.discuss/8319 [2] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At9lOM8_6gsLdDBmOUJVOURpM0hmNTgySWxCV0VzVWc#gid=0 -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Forums Proposal
Le 2012-10-06 12:26, Bjoern Michaelsen a écrit : Hi Marc, On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 08:23:03AM -0400, Marc Paré wrote: We are hoping to hear from a lead in this list (after discussion with your members) as to whether you would like to: Not claiming to be a leader of this list, but providing the following opinions to consider. * not use the forums at all (at which point the forum would be deleted from the forums site). OR I expect both development and QA to rarely use the forum and most work to continue on the lists. However, I would not want to see development and QA being without a forum as it is a valueable entry point we should not miss. I expect us to do basic do your first build/do your first triage help there and then pick people up to the mailing lists. As such I propose to have a join QA and development forum (they wont have too many posts esp. in the beginnning and we want to prevent a 'empty hall' effect there) While we are talking about 'empty hall': No sure if we were talking about empty hall, I am hoping to help fill them. :-) - Marketing and Marketing US should be joined (unless we have a 20 head US marketing team that I dont know about and that would overwhelm the rest with their posts) Not sure about this. We were given the mandate to concentrate on the US market specifically. You may have noticed that there are already few mails on the US mailing list (of which I am part), but I believe that we are set to re-buid post-LibOCon. From what I can see, the largest problem with the US is the lack of marcons for the group, which has always been front-and-centre of all serious discussions. I would favour keeping the US separate and closing the mailing list. The US-forums will get better exposure on the forums and be able to get more participation from the general user-population. - 'Installation and Configuration' for all non-Windows users should be joined. While we have enough Linux talent to warrent an own forum, on OSX the userbase is thinner and the linux users can often help out on OSX too no problem with this. - LibreOffice Applications should start as _one_ buzzing forum when we do 'open beta'-testing of the forum. Once we announce the forum as 'official', we can split out forums from there _if_ they warrant that by their traffic. not sure if I like that idea. I would rather see what most users looking for help are looking for on arrival on our forums -- a breakdown in forums where they can locate their application section and leave a message. Sending our users in need of help to a soup-bowl mix of messages will only confuse them and add more stress. I would rather have the obvious breakdown on our forums site. If there are alpha-beta problems with any of the modules, then it would seem to me better for our users to see them already in their own categories. This will also help devs who are monitoring the forums to zoom in on their own particular interests. I would rather see the bulk of our philosophy with regards to the user forums to be that of helping out users. From there, the contributors can extrapolate the data they need to bug report and to trouble-shoot or to even contribute. - Templates are unlikely to support a forum on their own from the start. Yup, but on the other hand, it is a good collection point where we can encourage ideas on templates and hope some devs will pick up on it. Its a two-way street. If we hope to attract users to our contributor forums/mailing lists, then we should also hope to attract devs to our user forums. Let's give this one a shot. I am interested in this one, particularly considering the lack of template ideas on the lists. It will be a good collection point for ideas. I would suggest to split 'Extensions LibreOffice' into 'Extension Users and Support' and 'Extension developement (incl. macro and UNO)'. No problem with the name change. I think users would have an easy time reading into it. Also we have way too many meta- and announcement forums in the proposal. That will lead to cross-posting and people missing out on announcements because they only check one forum etc. Everything we say 'officially' to our users should be relevant to our contributors. And since we want our users to become contributors, we shouldnt exclude them from 'contributor announcements'. Thus join those forums. No argument with this. Sure, sounds reasonable to join both Announcement/News forums into one. I would suggest leaving this at the top of the list, so that it is the first forums for all to see. Discuss should be joined into 'projects' (the third forum with announcements in the description). If you 'discuss matters affecting the LibreOffice project' it should better be relevant to the projects too. I have no problems with this either. Although, I can see others having problems with it. I was never too clear on what the projects mailing list was all
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Forums Proposal
Le 2012-10-06 17:20, Bjoern Michaelsen a écrit : On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 04:26:18PM -0400, Marc Paré wrote: No sure if we were talking about empty hall, I am hoping to help fill them. :-) Yes, just like a night club opening with fewer floors in the early evening, so that they are not that empty -- and open more floors later. ;) Sorry, doesn't work for me. If the place is too full with noise, I can't hear myself think and I go elsewhere where people like me congregate ... in this case the AOO forums. Not sure about this. We were given the mandate to concentrate on the US market specifically. You may have noticed that there are already few mails on the US mailing list (of which I am part), but I believe that we are set to re-buid post-LibOCon. From what I can see, the largest problem with the US is the lack of marcons for the group, which has always been front-and-centre of all serious discussions. I would favour keeping the US separate and closing the mailing list. How does keeping the US separate help kicking off a US marketing community? Better to hatch it in the marketing forum until it can fly on its own. It has already been hatched and given its own life. It would drown in any other list. Otherwise, un-mandate and refocus on another sector. I would still favour a list on its own. We are trying to get a market of around 320 million users on-board and I think its worth being a little more focused in this one. We need a re-boot on this one. not sure if I like that idea. I would rather see what most users looking for help are looking for on arrival on our forums -- a breakdown in forums where they can locate their application section and leave a message. Sending our users in need of help to a soup-bowl mix of messages will only confuse them and add more stress. I would rather have the obvious breakdown on our forums site. If there are alpha-beta problems with any of the modules, then it would seem to me better for our users to see them already in their own categories. 'Open beta' has nothing to do with our releases. Its just as long as we test and explore the forum. But yes, I think we should start with a general 'applications' forum and am uncertain if a Math forum would really be helpful, if it does not attach regulars. - Templates are unlikely to support a forum on their own from the start. Yup, but on the other hand, it is a good collection point where we can encourage ideas on templates and hope some devs will pick up on it. Its a two-way street. If we hope to attract users to our contributor forums/mailing lists, then we should also hope to attract devs to our user forums. Let's give this one a shot. I am interested in this one, particularly considering the lack of template ideas on the lists. It will be a good collection point for ideas. Do you think we will have some 3-5 regulars in a templates forum? If not, I would postpone separating those out until such a group condesates and asks for it. Well, I would rather give it a try, we do have a template site that we should be supporting with a forums. This would give us a chance to get more traction right from the start. I have no problems with this either. Although, I can see others having problems with it. I was never too clear on what the projects mailing list was all about as it seems we are all advertising on it and discussions are happening more and more on it. It may be better to have a Discuss forum with a sub-forum Projects where only decided projects are announced. The discuss list is very active and it is hard to pull projects from any of the threads. Well, on the mailing lists, there is a benefit of separating the projects list for important 'semi-official' stuff like minutes of calls from the noise and volume of unrestrained brainstorming. However, a forum does not pollute an inbox as a mailing list does and an it is possible to move off topic threads out of it, before they create trouble. Not really sure what you mean. Not sure about this. I would prefer the marketing punch of a LibOLounge (where some of the characters look like :-b) or any other clever stuff that our user-base can come up in a competition. and, we should have a disclaimer sticky on it as well as the rules for off-topic conversations. We should not be afraid to stick our name in on the fun room rather than have it only associated with the serious part of the project. Life is too short. Well, take it as a personal opinion and something for people to keep in mind when voting on the proposals in the competition. ;) I don't really think this is a big concern from my end. Not sure if it should be. If it is it would come from the BoD I guess. Best, Bjoern All in all I can't say I agree on your approach to forums. You seem to expect the brunt of all activity on a forums to come from the participants. More of a let's wait for them to come approach. Hence
LibreOffice Forums Categories Proposal
FYI, there is a post on the discussion list regarding a LibreOffice forums categories proposal. As you may or may not know, we are readying a forums solution for LibreOffice users and contributors (for those lists who wish to have a forums of their own; or, for those lists who are unsure and would like to try out a forums for a while alongside their mailing list). In order to keep the noise down in the lists, I have posted the proposal on the discuss list without including the mailing lists in the address part of the email. Keep in mind that this is a proposal, thus, changes will be made to the forums where there is consensus. We would like to keep the main discussion of this topic on the discussion list as well as make any decision regarding changes from feedback on the discussion list. Feel free to join in on the discussion or to contact any of the LibreOffice co-coordinators if you have any questions. You can find the proposal as well as useful links here [http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/msg08990.html]. Cheers, Marc Paré Forums co-coordinator -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supportshttp://www.LibreOffice.org ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: LibreOffice Forums Categories Proposal
Hi Anton, Le 2012-09-27 12:00, Anton Meixome a écrit : What about l10n? I see in wiki being jforum the selected software. I'm a bit confuse May be a fork between Jforum and CodeRanch? As I don't find the translation framework in JForum Which version? Is important for NL teams is it? https://github.com/rafaelsteil/jforum3/blob/master/src/main/resources/jforumConfig/languages/en_US.properties Or http://jforum2.googlecode.com/svn-history/trunk/src/main/config/languages/en_US.properties Or anywhere here? https://github.com/rafaelsteil/jforum2 -- Antón Méixome - Galician Native Lang Coordination Galician community LibO AOO I have received this note from Christian Lohmaier: This installation is based on the fork/maintenance version whose home is http://code.google.com/p/jforum2/ - with associated forum at http://jforum.andowson.com/; Christian will be in charge of all technical aspect of the forums as well as implementation. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: LibreOffice Forums Categories Proposal
Hi Simos and thanks for the tips! Le 2012-09-27 19:00, Simos Xenitellis a écrit : At the moment http://jforum.andowson.com/ does not work. I suppose it will be back soon. I would like to try it out. My concern with jforum2 is that it is different from other popular forum packages such as phpbb or vbulletin (closed source). Christian should make sure that he trains more admins into this forum software. Whether a forum works or not, depends on the first few months. There should be several volunteers that help out so that new users find quality answers soon. Some questions will be repeated, so the volunteers will try to write them down in a HowTo post or a Wiki page. Do not count that there will always be volunteers to answer the same question repeatedly. Does not scale. Something that we do at our local forum is have a HowTo section that we add there good solutions to common problems, then pinpoint new users to check there. A good solution is needed here. I highly recommend to get new users for the forum to accept a Code of Conduct such as http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2012/09/27/code-of-conduct-v2-request-for-feedback/ This will help the volunteers to deal with fights, etc. In order to motivate users, some forum software have the facility to say thanks to a good reply. Such a facility will be good to have. Simos We are just at the point of setting the categories which is taking place on the discuss list. We are hoping to hold most of the discussions on the forums there. As for the choice of forums, we had eventually settled on jForums and phpBB with the final choice going to jForums. Christian is in charge of all that is technical. We are 5 co-coordinators (admins) and already have a pre-list of approximately 8 moderators (even before starting to look for them). We are hoping to have 2 moderators/forums, hopefully more on busy forums. I don't think coming up with moderators will be a problem and we will recruit more as the forums become busier. Code of conduct is being investigated by one of the co-coordinators and this should be ready withing a week or so. I will pass on the link to the Ubuntu code of conduct to that person. As soon as the categories are discussed and we come to an agreement on this (on the discussion list), we will get to work on the nitty-gritty of the forums site. As we all know, the topic of putting up a forums is quite an emotional topic, we are hoping that everyone will have a say with the choice of forum categories. We (co-coordinators) have already discussed between ourselves of putting up stickies for HowTo's to help users out, but, not really as a separate section, although, this may prove to be a good idea. Feel free to join in on the discussion on the Discuss list. Thanks again for the useful tips! Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
[Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice Forums Categories Proposal
FYI, there is a post on the discussion list regarding a LibreOffice forums categories proposal. As you may or may not know, we are readying a forums solution for LibreOffice users and contributors (for those lists who wish to have a forums of their own; or, for those lists who are unsure and would like to try out a forums for a while alongside their mailing list). In order to keep the noise down in the lists, I have posted the proposal on the discuss list without including the mailing lists in the address part of the email. Keep in mind that this is a proposal, thus, changes will be made to the forums where there is consensus. We would like to keep the main discussion of this topic on the discussion list as well as make any decision regarding changes from feedback on the discussion list. Feel free to join in on the discussion or to contact any of the LibreOffice co-coordinators if you have any questions. You can find the proposal as well as useful links here [http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/msg08990.html]. Cheers, Marc Paré Forums co-coordinator -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supportshttp://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Adding Accessibility component to Bug Assistant
Hi Roman and Rainer, Le 2012-08-19 04:29, Rainer Bielefeld a écrit : Roman Eisele schrieb: Am 18.08.12 03:57, schrieb Marc Paré: Would it make sense to add Accessibility as another component to the Bug Assistant? Maybe this would encourage people to submit more accessibility bugs? Not to mention that the component would show at the very first steps of reporting, which may help people find it more easily if they are reporting with the use of a reader? IMHO we should not have too many components, because this will make it more difficult (instead of easier) to find the matching one, but I second this proposal. Free and open software should be open for as many people as possible, so accessibility is a very important feature for a FLOSS office suite like LibreOffice, and therefore it may be helpful to have a special component for issues related to accessibility. At least the special component will remind us all everyday about the importance of considering accessibility everywhere ;-). Just my 2 cents ;-) I think we already have many components already which I actually find useful -- I don't think adding one more would hurt the BSA. IMO, I would try to add an Accessibility component at the very start of the list and try to keep any kind of Accessibility listings (menus, lists etc.) as much as possible at the very top of these lists; this will accommodate users (who are making use of LibreOffice accessibility features) to report a bug. Hello, I agree with Roman, but it might be a problem for a disabled user do have to search BSA until he finds ACCESSIBILITY at UI? One way would be to add it as Sub Component to all relevant Components, or of course, adding a component. If we want to encourage accessibility bug reporting issues, then we would want to accommodate our BSA as much as possible for these users who are most probably using accessibility tools to do their bug reporting. We cannot ignore the fact that, in most jurisdictions, office suites with accessibility features are mandatory before being offered in large sectors such as education and public institutions. I am more concerned with getting LibreOffice accepted in the educational sectors. May be we can get advice from accessibil...@global.libreoffice.org? Thanks! Best regards Rainer ___ -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Adding Accessibility component to Bug Assistant
Would it make sense to add Accessibility as another component to the Bug Assistant? Maybe this would encourage people to submit more accessibility bugs? Not to mention that the component would show at the very first steps of reporting, which may help people find it more easily if they are reporting with the use of a reader? Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] BugHunt Session ...Re: Re: minutes of the libreoffice qa call 2012-06-14
Hi Cor Le 2012-06-27 08:02, Cor Nouws a écrit : Hi all, Rainer Bielefeld wrote (26-06-12 20:13) Michael Meeks schrieb: If it gets us more testing of 3.6 - it sounds like an excellent idea to I also believe it would be great do do some final spurt for 3.6. [..] But may be I will join for a short visit. So here we go: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugHunting_Session_3.6.0 We'll have to make sure that preparations are in place, just for in case that non of us is able to join :-) Italo, could you draft a simple PR, or can you give me permission to recycle some of your previous work ;-) Cheers Just as a suggestion for future bug hunting and other events. Could you please check the calendar of events before planning any events? This will help avoid any conflicts with any other events that show on the calendar. For example, the next bug hunting session of July 6-7 falls on a common day with the Libre Software Meeting (LSM) (btw, we don't have anyone attending this conference). This is not to suggest to not plan any events on such dates, but to be aware of the impact of planning events on the same day(s) as another pre-planned event. We may be spreading ourselves too thin if we plan events on conflicting dates. I try to keep the visual calendar as up to date as possible[1][2]. (the same visual calendar exists on both the wiki and website) I have added the BugHunt date on the events calendar. Cheers, Marc [1] http://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/libreoffice-international-events-calendar/ [2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/EventsCalendar -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] A little confused re: QA and help from users
Like the title says, I am a little confused over QA and help from users. Do people who are on this list participate in any QA? For example, I usually download any LO Beta series on up. Is there anything that I could do to help with QA? Testing? I cannot do very long QA tests but even short tests? No sense in downloading the pre-releases and not helping out when I can. Do we need more help from users specifically for QA on this list? It looks like the process is pretty much automated or am I wrong? Thanks for any info. Cheers, Marc ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Developer interviews -- please read
No need to answer this, its not meant to create noise on this list. This is an FYI for you to read if you could. A few months ago, we started a series of LibreOffice developer interviews that appeared on the TDF blog. We have gotten so busy that the interviews were put aside for a while until one of us could get back to the series. I have offered to help out with the interviews and I will be sending the odd email out to a few of you every week or so with a Question/Answer interview sheet. You do not have to agree to the interview if you do not wish to take part in it; nor do you have to answer all of the questions and you are free to add some parts if you wish. Its just a casual way of letting our blog readers find out what kind of person commits to the TDF/LibreOffice team. People are a little curious as to what makes you tick and, well, its pretty cool to find out a bit about people on the project, especially the dev team. There are now over 400 contributors, so, if we published an interview a week on the TDF blog, it would take well over a year to complete. I imagine that there are probably more devs on the project by now, AND, depending on the time it takes to get the completed interviews back, we may be able to post only one interview every two weeks ... who knows. So, when you get an email for an interview, there is no pressure to participate if you do not want to, but it would be nice if you did. BTW ... there is no real order to the interviews, so whether you have contributed loads of code or just a few lines, this is all that matters ... we would like to get to know you. If there is a photo that you could supply with the interview, that would be great but it's not a big problem if there is no photo. Thanks a lot to all the people who will accept. I've left you a link to our past interviews[1] for you to see/read if you wish. BTW ... thanks to the dev team for all of the work that you put and have put into LibreOffice; it is really appreciated and you have given us a great product to work with. Thanks! Cheers, Marc http://blog.documentfoundation.org/category/interviews/ ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Hackfest in Munich on November 23-25
Hi Florian, Le 2012-05-21 03:20, Florian Effenberger a écrit : Dear Community, we are pleased to announce that the next LibreOffice Hackfest, the event where developers from all over the world gather to work on the code, discuss and have a good time, will take place November 23-25 in Munich, Germany For the second time already, the LiMux project team of the city of Munich invited us, and we are proud and honoured to be their guests. More details on the agenda, the venue and travel information will be published over time. Looking forward to meeting you there! I've added this event to the LibreOffice International Calendar of events[1]. Marc [1] http://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/libreoffice-international-events-calendar/ ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Events Calendar on LibreOffice.org website and wiki
FYI, there is now an events calendar on the LibreOffice website. You will find it in the About Us section[1]. For those of you working on the wiki, you may also find same calendar on the wiki with identical information[2]. Feel free to let Florian Effenberger or myself know of any missing events. We hope to have a couple more people from the marketing team volunteer to admin the calendar. Cheers, Marc [1] http://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/libreoffice-international-events-calendar/ [2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/EventsCalendar -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Gmane test
Le 2011-06-15 11:31, Marc Paré a écrit : This is a test. Please do not respond. Marc This is a test response from Gmane. Please do not respond. Marc ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
[Libreoffice] Gmane test
This is a test. Please do not respond. Marc ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] QA manual test Litmus session on 3.3.3Rc
Merci Sophie Le 2011-06-05 16:36, Sophie Gautier a écrit : Hi all, *please, follow up on the projects list, thanks in advance* I am new to this, the litmus tutorial link is broken. Could someone fix this? Cheers Marc ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] LibreOffice licensing
Le 2011-06-04 12:11, Michael Meeks a écrit : On Sat, 2011-06-04 at 08:48 -0400, Allen Pulsifer wrote: 1. TDF takes OOo under the Apache License and combines it with LO contributions under the LGPL/MPL and licenses the combined work (LibreOffice) under both the LGPL and MPL? So if we say MPLv2 and LGPLv3+ - that is fine; and the resulting code would be under those (compatible) licenses. Which are copy-left. 2. A third party takes OOo under the Apache License and combines it with LO contributions under the MPL and proprietary closed-source code of its own to create a proprietary closed-source product? If they have changed the MPL code modules - they need to release those changes; otherwise (since the MPL is a weak-copy-left) they can not release other changes (like extensions) they bundle - obviously. That would not however stop third parties from combining the Apache OpenOffice code with LibreOffice code and doing with that whatever both licenses allowed. Sure - one example is IBM, they have a load of MPL code, and even LGPL code in Lotus Symphony. Amusingly, IBM are far more pragmatic in practise than ASF is - one of the tragic ironies of the situation. HTH, Michael. I am not sure how much this would complicate it, but on Groklaw[1]: === Oracle is signing a SGA (Software Grant Agreement) giving the OpenOffice.org code to Apache Server Foundation (ASF) under the Apache 2.0 license. As you know, Oracle (via Sun) had ownership of the code via the CLA that they required from contributors. Oracle is also giving ASF the OpenOffice.org trademark, the logo with the birds, and the openoffice.org domain name. Some of this has happened already, some of it is in progress. Oracle appears to be retaining the copyright, not assigning it to Apache. The bottom line, then, if this is so, is that Oracle owns the code it is donating, thanks to a contribution agreement whereby contributors handed over copyright to Sun, now Oracle. And by retaining the copyright, it continues to own the code. Let this be an object lesson, that any time a project asks for all the copyrights, it can do what it pleases with your contributions. If you don't care, contribute as much as you wish. But do it knowing that it's like putting your baby up for adoption. You are not the parent any more afterward, so you don't get a say in anything. === This seems to be muddying up the waters even more. Cheers Marc [1] http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2011060314010442 ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] LibreOffice 3.4 Release Notes
Le 2011-05-29 17:28, Cor Nouws a écrit : Hi Marc, all, [ ooops what a terrible cross post, four lists ;-) I skipp the project and website list for the moment and IMO follow ups for my subject (see below) should be at marketing preferably devs with an relevant opinion can either join or hire a gohst writer ;-) ] Marc Paré wrote (27-05-11 16:57) It's time that we get on with creating the page on the main site. So unless anyone is going to offer to create/design the page, I'll take care of it. I have not had a lot of practice at Silverstripe, so you will have to be patient with me. We have worked on the screenshot protocols which have now been put on the website wiki pages[1] (thanks to Klaus! and all other for their comments). BTW ... .png's will be the format to use. We will have to point this out to the translation teams for when they take their screenshots. * I will follow the same format as on the New Features and Fixes web pages[2]. If I understand it correctly, we are to have a 3.4 webpage and a 3.3.2 webpage (essentially what we have now on the New Features and Fixes webpage). These pages will be used by website visitors to compare the features between both versions of LibreOffice. We are not comparing to MSO nor OOo. So, IMO, both pages should have the same page format so that our visitors feel comfortable moving from one page to the other. Any comments before I jump in? Any comments? What I want to stress, is that we need to explain, and show - the release rationale: point zero release is only for ..., and not for ... - plus that IMO we must at least for point zero releases the knows nasty bugs On the current release notes page those are not visible. I propose to change that. Kind regards, Cor No problem. Could you modify the wiki page? Let us know when it is done and we'll take a look at it. Thanks for the help. Cheers Marc ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] LibreOffice 3.4 Release Notes
Le 2011-05-30 06:04, Marc Paré a écrit : What I want to stress, is that we need to explain, and show - the release rationale: point zero release is only for ..., and not for ... - plus that IMO we must at least for point zero releases the knows nasty bugs On the current release notes page those are not visible. I propose to change that. Kind regards, Cor No problem. Could you modify the wiki page? Let us know when it is done and we'll take a look at it. Thanks for the help. Cheers Marc Hi Cor On the NA pamphlet[1], we have put (with Drew's kind help) the following text, maybe your text could read somewhat like this? = For the most conservative users, we recommend a commercially supported version, which enables you to indirectly support the project’s development. Such stable versions will typically be based on a point release, such as LibreOffice 3.3.2 today; For those interested in the bleeding edge, who want to enjoy new features and fixes, we recommend LibreOffice 3.4.0, release candidates, betas or even nightly builds, which enable a participation in the development, evaluation and quality control process; Of course, as the 3.4 series matures, we will reach a point where we will recommend a 3.4.x release as being suitable even for the most conservative users. = Cheers Marc [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibO-Pamphlet-platforms-support.odt ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
[Libreoffice] Encrypted password -- change?
I am just working on the webpage for the release of 3.4 and on the release notes wiki page for LibO 3.4[1] it says: When the document is encrypted with a password, you can now change the password while the document is open, from File-Properties-General-Change Password. The button is enabled only when the document is encrypted with a password. (Kohei Yoshida) Could someone check this? I could not get it to work. Maybe I am doing something wrong? We'll have to leave it out if this does not work. Cheers Marc [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/3.4 ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Encrypted password -- change?
Le 2011-05-30 15:24, Cor Nouws a écrit : Hi Marc, Marc Paré wrote (30-05-11 12:23) I am just working on the webpage for the release of 3.4 and on the release notes wiki page for LibO 3.4[1] it says: When the document is encrypted with a password, you can now change the password while the document is open, from File-Properties-General-Change Password. The button is enabled only when the document is encrypted with a password. (Kohei Yoshida) Works for me, but little difference in place. Pls see attached screen shot, Could someone check this? I could not get it to work. Maybe I am doing something wrong? We'll have to leave it out if this does not work. Safe to include :-) Cor [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/3.4 Thanks Cor. Don't know why it didn't work on mine. I'll use your .png for the 3.4 webpage. Cheers Marc ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] LibreOffice Extensions repository
Le 2011-05-25 09:01, Andrea Pescetti a écrit : Tor Lillqvist wrote: I found http://libreofficeaustralia.org/download/extensions. You can find lots of stuff on the Internet. True, but as Thorsten wrote indeed this site was discussed at length on the website mailing lists as an alpha version of a possible future Extensions website specific to LibreOffice. I don't believe people are still working actively on it though. This site is no longer being actively worked on. It should not be used for uploading of extensions. The domain does not belong to TDF or LibreOffice. Cheers Marc ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=84159
Le 2011-05-20 09:47, Michael Meeks a écrit : Hi Marc, On Fri, 2011-05-20 at 09:22 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: I was just on the usenet openoffice group and this bug was mentioned as being a problem with people working on larger files. As this seems to have been fixed in the upcoming 3.4 version of OpenOffice I was wondering if it was integrated into our latest upcoming version of LibreOffice. Um - you could test this pretty trivially yourself on almost any platform with a simple download, rather than asking our very busy devs ? Sorry, hadn't realised that I could have done this myself. I thought a dev check just to be sure as it seemed a much problem with power users. Having said that, good to check before release, it seems to be fixed in 3.4.0; and a nice test document that too - takes forages to load, and forevenlonger to save ;-) HTH, Michael. Thanks, yes, reassuring that it is fixed. Cheers Marc ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=84159
Le 2011-05-20 09:44, Cedric Bosdonnat a écrit : On Fri, 2011-05-20 at 15:38 +0200, Cedric Bosdonnat wrote: On Fri, 2011-05-20 at 09:22 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: I was just on the usenet openoffice group and this bug was mentioned as being a problem with people working on larger files. As this seems to have been fixed in the upcoming 3.4 version of OpenOffice I was wondering if it was integrated into our latest upcoming version of LibreOffice. It seems to be pretty important for power users who work on large documents. My apologies if it is/was listed, I couldn't find it on the dev mailist. Thanks for any feedback. You can check with that greasemonkey script: it's showing on OOo bugzilla if an issue is fixed in LO. Though it takes the fixes in master branch in account. The missing URL http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/87923 Thank for the url and help. Cheers Marc ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] LibreOffice 3.4 Release Notes
Hi Michael et al It was suggested during the confcall that we should perhaps concentrate on this issue on the mailing list. I think that the idea is that members on the projects list are prepared to expedite issues here a little more quickly than on the other lists. The object of this exercise is to see if we could have the release notes, on the website page, released all at the same time for as many language groups as possible. The release is planned for the end of May or early days of June. We have about 10-11 days left. Le 2011-05-19 06:11, Michael Meeks a écrit : Hi Marc, On Thu, 2011-05-12 at 09:35 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: Could we, all, please take a close look at the information on the Release Notes 3.4 wiki page[1] to make sure that the information is complete and correct ? Completeness is hard :-) but I poked a number of people last week to add their details there. One key thing I would like to get right in our 3.4 promotion is crediting the people (particularly volunteers) involved in each feature - hence the names there. How is the 3.4 page coming along ? clearly we had huge bus-loads of new-features in 3.3 (at least new to OO.o users), and 3.4 has a danger of looking less significant against that (I suppose) - that's a good one for marketing to deal with. On the other side, I think a developers' view / timeline of what has changed, and our progress and where we're going would be good to have for the 3.4 release as well; there are things like - improved build infrastructure (and so on) that are not so visible in Of course - finally, those are only features that -we- have worked on; Oracle contributed a lot too cf. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Feature_Freeze_Testing_3.4 Which we should no doubt mention (with suitable crediting) - though be careful of the calc feature overlap, where Kohei had to re-implement a number of pieces. HTH, Michael. Michael: Thanks for doing this. Sure we will add credit to the people associated with the changes. So far the this list is it for the upcoming release so we should try to get different language groups to get this page translated. It would be nice to have at least one interested member represented for each language group who is ready to translate/contribute and do the same for the web page. We will need: * get language groups to translate the wiki page of release notes.[1] * get images of different new features or fixes done in different language. We should have the same protocols for image captures. Could someone point me to these if they have ever been discussed or could we have someone chime in and help out? * get the translation of the release website page done before the release of the new version. We need to coordinate this with the dev group. I am not sure who gives the final say on when the new release if put on the downloads website pages. Are you the person who OK's this? Any input on this is welcome. Cheers Marc ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
[Libreoffice] http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=84159
I was just on the usenet openoffice group and this bug was mentioned as being a problem with people working on larger files. As this seems to have been fixed in the upcoming 3.4 version of OpenOffice I was wondering if it was integrated into our latest upcoming version of LibreOffice. It seems to be pretty important for power users who work on large documents. My apologies if it is/was listed, I couldn't find it on the dev mailist. Thanks for any feedback. Cheers Marc ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
[Libreoffice] LibreOffice 3.4 Release Notes
At the last marketing team confcall I offered to help coordinate completing the release notes of the upcoming 3.4 version and then distilling the information into a version more suitable for our website accompanied with photos of some or many of these changes. Could we, all, please take a close look at the information on the Release Notes 3.4 wiki page[1] to make sure that the information is complete and correct? This will help greatly in easing the task of creating a more suitable page for the website. We just have to make sure that all the details are there and that we have not missed anything major in the list. We are hoping to have a website page showing the new/changes/corrections of this iteration and another page with the 3.3 version where reviewers/users/members will be able to compare. Feel free to update the wiki page or leave me a note on this thread. Thanks for your help. Marc [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/3.4 ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
[Libreoffice] Open bugs listed for academia use on OOo - LibreOffice
I had been given a list of open bugs that would be of interest from an academic point of view. If any are interested in hunting down either a fix or seeing if it is a feature request that is possible to fix, this would help LibreOffice gain more traction amongst the Academia set. You will find a list here: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentation.libreoffice.marketing/298 Let me know if you would like to have these put in each as a request to Bugzilla to help you out. Cheers Marc ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 -- Outline view
Thanks for the reply JBF Le 2011-03-05 03:29, Jean-Baptiste Faure a écrit : Hi Marc, Le 05/03/2011 08:50, Marc Paré a écrit : I am just re-reading my to-do list of LibreOffice in Academia and one of the oldest feature request is this one. I believe 8 years in request. Do you think that this feature request will ever have a chance at being accepted? I am not sure it should be ;-) - LibreOffice is not a clone of MS-Office ; - What does Outline view of MS-Word that improved Navigator in LibreOffice-Writer can't do ? Have a nice day. JBF The arguments for this is found in the bugzilla and comments: http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 The bug is still open, so I guess it is still being considered? Cheers Marc ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
[Libreoffice] http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 -- Outline view
I am just re-reading my to-do list of LibreOffice in Academia and one of the oldest feature request is this one. I believe 8 years in request. Do you think that this feature request will ever have a chance at being accepted? I am in the process of creating a wiki page of LibreOffice in academia.[1] Cheers Marc [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/LibreOffice_In_Academia ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] [opensuse-announce] openSUSE 11.4 RC2 Steps Out
Le 2011-02-28 07:48, Andreas Jaeger a écrit : On Monday, February 28, 2011 11:46:03 Petr Mladek wrote: Hi Andreas, Andreas Jaeger píše v Po 28. 02. 2011 v 09:49 +0100: The transition from OpenOffice.org to LibreOffice still has a few minor documentation blips but more importantly, users should be cautious. The raft of new functionality has created a few specific issues, such as loss of data in tables. Though not quite ready for the production environment, user feedback is critical for smoothing performance and reliability. I am not aware of any data loos in tables. Could you please be more specific? Is there any bug number? Since i have not found a single bug report for this, I changed the text on news.opensuse.org for now until this gets clarified. The persons writing the text are currently travelling back from SCALE, so I cannot get a direct answer from them ;-( Andreas Thanks for doing this. Cheers Marc ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
[Libreoffice] OpenSuse 11-4-rc2 claiims LibreOffice has minor bugs
We just had this posted on the Marketing list. I am not sure if this is true. Can anyone comment on this? Are there reports of loss of data? I am not sure if this is the official news blog for OpenSuse. = http://news.opensuse.org/2011/02/26/opensuse-11-4-rc2-steps-out/ The transition from OpenOffice.org to LibreOffice still has a few minor documentation blips but more importantly, users should be cautious. The raft of new functionality has created a few specific issues, such as loss of data in tables. Though not quite ready for the production environment, user feedback is critical for smoothing performance and reliability. == Cheers Marc ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Error in en_us readme file ?
Le 2011-01-30 13:53, drew a écrit : Hi, Received a message from a user today regarding the install instructions within the en_US readme file covering Mandriva: 'Doing commands like su urpmi *.rpm won't work; it either has to be sudo urpmi *.rpm or su -c urpmi *.rpm' I have never used Mandriva so don't know and thought I'd ask before just opening a bug report for him. Thanks Drew Here's another routine I am suggesting for the Konsole challenged users (Mandriva): 1. Download the distro and help files and language pack (if needed). 2. Right click on the .tar.gz and choose extract here 3. You can put/move ALL the .rpms that you need in one file folder then do a Ctrl-A (this means choose all); right-click and choose the regular MDV software installer. This will install all of the files. NOTE: if you have previously installed LibreOffice, you should uninstall ALL LibreOffice related files BEFORE install the FINAL version. ALSO NOTE that the RC4 version is the same as the FINAL version. To do this go to the Mandriva Control Centre (MCC), Add/Remove Software (packages); put LibreOffice in the search window and remove all of the files it returns. ALSO NOTE: if you would like to install the clip art from the OpenClipart.org project, you can install: libreoffice-openclipart-3-1pclos2010.noarch.rpm and it will install all of the cliparts into the right LibreOffice folders. You can find the file here: http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/14906526/dir/pclinuxos/com/libreoffice-openclipart-3-1pclos2010.noarch.rpm.html Cheers Marc ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] Error in en_us readme file ?
Le 2011-01-31 03:08, Marc Paré a écrit : Here's another routine I am suggesting for the Konsole challenged users (Mandriva): 1. Download the distro and help files and language pack (if needed). 2. Right click on the .tar.gz and choose extract here 3. You can put/move ALL the .rpms that you need in one file folder then do a Ctrl-A (this means choose all); right-click and choose the regular MDV software installer. This will install all of the files. NOTE: if you have previously installed LibreOffice, you should uninstall ALL LibreOffice related files BEFORE install the FINAL version. ALSO NOTE that the RC4 version is the same as the FINAL version. To do this go to the Mandriva Control Centre (MCC), Add/Remove Software (packages); put LibreOffice in the search window and remove all of the files it returns. ALSO NOTE: if you would like to install the clip art from the OpenClipart.org project, you can install: libreoffice-openclipart-3-1pclos2010.noarch.rpm and it will install all of the cliparts into the right LibreOffice folders. You can find the file here: http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/14906526/dir/pclinuxos/com/libreoffice-openclipart-3-1pclos2010.noarch.rpm.html Cheers Marc You can also check your notes against my initial post for use with Konsole here which still work: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/msg00071.html Cheers Marc ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice] [PATCH] Standard-color-palette-updates
Le 2010-12-28 01:07, Marc Paré a écrit : Thanks for the clarification. So if I am to understand this correctly, if I were working on the LibO Drink project [1], the branding colours used as reference could change in the middle of the LibO Drink project contributions? Is this right? Cheers Marc [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Ideas/Promotion#LibreOffice_.C3.A0_la_Carte_.28Drinks_and_Food.29 Actually, no need to answer. I re-read the thread and I got it. Cheers Marc ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
