[Libreoffice-qa] Bug-Reporting: Needinfo sets confimed to 1

2013-12-07 Thread Robert Großkopf
Hello *,

could be I understand this wrong. But in the last months there are many
people setting bugs to NEEDINFO which are UNCONFIRMED. So I get the
feedback from bugzilla
Ever confirmed → Removed 0 → Added 1
The bug has never been confirmed by any other person than the
bug-reporter. But with setting it to NEEDINFO (There is asked for a
better description or for an attachment ...) it seems to be confirmed.
Example:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72391

How do we handle NEEDINFO?

Regards

Robert
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bug-Reporting: Needinfo sets confimed to 1

2013-12-07 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 3:12 AM, Robert Großkopf
rob...@familiegrosskopf.de wrote:
 Hello *,

 could be I understand this wrong. But in the last months there are many
 people setting bugs to NEEDINFO which are UNCONFIRMED. So I get the
 feedback from bugzilla
 Ever confirmed → Removed 0 → Added 1
 The bug has never been confirmed by any other person than the
 bug-reporter. But with setting it to NEEDINFO (There is asked for a
 better description or for an attachment ...) it seems to be confirmed.

well that is weird!

 Example:
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72391

 How do we handle NEEDINFO?

Probably we hit it* with a big stick until it doesn't automatically
set this 'ever-confirmed' flag.

Either that, or we figure out a different way to indicate that we want
information from the OP or from one of the other commenters/cc'd
individuals on the bug. That might require some investment of
implementation time...

 But (as always), this will all need to wait until after we finish the
migration.

Cheers,
--R


* i.e. the code
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bug-Reporting: Needinfo sets confimed to 1

2013-12-07 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 3:27 AM, Robinson Tryon
bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 3:12 AM, Robert Großkopf
 rob...@familiegrosskopf.de wrote:
 could be I understand this wrong. But in the last months there are many
 people setting bugs to NEEDINFO which are UNCONFIRMED. So I get the
 feedback from bugzilla
 Ever confirmed → Removed 0 → Added 1
 The bug has never been confirmed by any other person than the
 bug-reporter. But with setting it to NEEDINFO (There is asked for a
 better description or for an attachment ...) it seems to be confirmed.

Interestingly, if/once the bug is set back to 'UNCONFIRMED', that flag
is cleared. It's not (as many of us probably assumed) a
write-once-never-change field. See an example in the activity here:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_activity.cgi?id=72402

So while I question the logic of setting it at all when the status
changes to NEEDINFO, at least bugzilla is cleaning it back up if/when
we move status back to UNCONFIRMED.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla Migration: Abbreviation to replace fdo#12345

2013-12-07 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Robinson Tryon
bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote:
 I felt like I was working hard to go through appropriate channels.
 Perhaps if I'd spent more time I could've gotten more input from other
 groups, but at this point I feel like I've already spent a ton of time
 on just this one little piece.

Yeah, you did well. I'm sorry I apparently started a bikeshed on this...
I have missed ESC of nov 21st (my fault), but 'the guys doing the work
should choose'
is not 'the guys doing the work should organize a beauty pageant election'
On the dev side we are not used to 'vote'. decisions are usually just
taken. When there is some controversy, the interested parties expose
the merit of their respective positions, explaining the rational for
their choice (and I mean _rational_ not _feelings_).
That usually lead to either a compromise to address each other points,
or the parties rallying around the rational of one side (we all have
'opinions' on anything when asked... but more often than not we do not
_care_ that much about a given topic, so unless we have a strong
argument to offer we usually do not demand that our opinions be
counted as strongly as the one of the people intimately involved with
the work and problems associated with it.. iow 'pick your battle
wisely'  :-) )), or more often a combination of both.
in 3 years we where driven to a vote only once.. and even then that
was more to have each position 'on the record'.

So in that light I would point out again the criteria _I_ think are
relevant for the name here:
1/ short. the summary commit message is the 1st line of a commit
message, and is limited to 80 chars (72 preferred), and when a commit
refer to a bug we want the bug reference in that message.
2/ obvious meaning and easy to remember and type, as much as possible.

The opposition I've seen so far to lo# are centered around 'it can be
confused with the abbreviation of the product'. I think that is a
feature not a bug.
in the context of bugzilla the use will always be lo#number the #
make it clear that it is a bug number and remove any ambiguity...
furtheremore these _are_ libreoffice bugs.. lo = libreoffice, # = bug
here.  So, other abbreviation may have merit, and may prevails, but
discarding lo# for that reason seems a red herring to me.

for reference a quick grep of the log message give use the following uses:

fdo#
deb#
n#n
#inn#
rhbz#nn
CID#n
cp#
bnc#
abi#
i#
#n#
lp#n

and a mix bag of some mistyped variations thereof (like #fdo)


Norbert
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Git error with bibisect40

2013-12-07 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Ken Biondi kenbio...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Hello all,

 While attempting bibisect I got the following error:


  ken@ubuntu:/media/LACIE/LO-Bibisect/Bibi4/bibisect40$ git checkout oldest
  error: Your local changes to the following files would be overwritten by 
 checkout:
  opt/CREDITS.odt
  opt/LICENSE.odt
  .
  .
  .
  opt/program/libodbclo.so
  opt/pr
Aborting

 Any ideas on how to fix this?  I tried git reset --hard to no avail.

git clean -fd
git reset --hard

should do the trick

Norbert
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2013-12-07 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Noel,

On Fri, 2013-12-06 at 14:32 +0200, Noel Grandin wrote:
 On 2013-12-05 19:23, Michael Meeks wrote:
   + attach a callgrind profile for 'expert config' to bug (Kendy)
  [ could make it experimental later if necessary ]
  https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72125

 I've pushed a small cleanup related to this code to gerrit:
  https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/6956

Hey - that's cool =) thanks so much for caring about this. From what I
recall of trying to make that thing scale text measuring of every row is
almost as silly as creating an a11y peer for every row  cell ;-) The
gtk+ approach is to have a flag that assumes homogenous row heights
which makes everything massively faster. I added a pointer in the bug.

It's great to have some attention there ! :-)

Thanks,

Michael.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla Migration: Abbreviation to replace fdo#12345

2013-12-07 Thread Mat M
Le Fri, 06 Dec 2013 22:31:53 +0100, Robinson Tryon  
bishop.robin...@gmail.com a écrit:



On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Mat M m...@gmx.fr wrote:
You should have cross-posted the vote announcement on all concerned  
lists,

then you'd been more votes.


What are the 'concerned lists'? i10n? projects? website?  Lots of
people interact with the bugtracker, chief among them, the QA team.


Well, I second on Norbert thoughts, and I was just saying, that, if you go  
for a vote, an announcement to the whole bunch of lists might have brought  
people in, like enlightning Norbert's views.



For me, the abbreviation is just one small part of the bigger Bugzilla
migration plan:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/LibreOffice_Bugzilla_Proposal

The reason we're having a vote now is because
Nov 8 - I mentioned abbreviation in the proposal
Nov 10/11 - Discussed abbrevs on the QA list
Nov 18 - QA Meeting decided to ask ESC for input
Nov 21 - ESC offered suggestions; said the guys doing the work should  
choose.

Nov 21 - Looked for consensus on QA list
Dec 1 - Saw no consensus; Moving to vote on the QA list

I felt like I was working hard to go through appropriate channels.
Perhaps if I'd spent more time I could've gotten more input from other
groups, but at this point I feel like I've already spent a ton of time
on just this one little piece.


You worked hard, and that was appreciated, don't misunderstand me. But if  
you don't find a consensus on the QA list, you might ask for wider  
audience, so my remark. Not a critic in any way.

You did your best and we ackowledge that.
FWIW, I also appreciate all the bug metrics and follow-up QA provides, it  
is very nice and useful.



Well, if you want to mimic fdo, abbrev should be loo (libreoffice.org
instead of freedesktop.org)
loo is a good trade-off : more than 2, but less than 4; different of the
standard lo we use to shortcut LibreOffice


IIRC, in en-GB 'loo' == toilet
Well, I didn't check and that was more of a friday's troll than a real  
proposal.



(not that there aren't any piss-poor bug reports in FDO right now...)

;-)



BTW, I vote also for lo#


ok -- vote recorded.


If the devs really want lo#, just send in enough people to vote and
the outcome will be certain.

--R

brace yourselves, lo# is coming

Mat

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[Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice BSA

2013-12-07 Thread Jean Spiteri
I have done some updated to the BSA fork I have on my Github. Can any one
check whether it's working properly and any problems he may have since I'm
not really experienced with JQuery? Any feedback, please send it to me.

Sincerely,
Jean Spiteri.
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla Migration: Abbreviation to replace fdo#12345

2013-12-07 Thread mariosv
Hi Rob and All,

it is not easy understand what is happening.

We are voting after a right process to do it.
As Robinson wrote:

The reason we're having a vote now is because
Nov 8 - I mentioned abbreviation in the proposal
Nov 10/11 - Discussed abbrevs on the QA list
Nov 18 - QA Meeting decided to ask ESC for input
Nov 21 - ESC offered suggestions; said the guys doing the work should
choose.
Nov 21 - Looked for consensus on QA list
Dec 1 - Saw no consensus; Moving to vote on the QA list 

I think everyone in the project can vote here if they want.

IMHO, we need to finish the voting process, and communicate the results.

If some in the project are not agree, it's fine, they can report to the ESC
their reflections and inform their proposal.

In last term The Board can take a decision about what better fits for all in
the project.

Miguel Ángel.



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Character Line Break set to 0 in Tools - Options - Language Settings - Writing Aids?

2013-12-07 Thread Pedro
Hi Thomas


when I open Tools – Options – Writing Aids, and scroll down the 
Options part, I see the entry

Characters before line break: 0

 . A doubleclick on it shows a 2 instead. Is this only on my 
 system, or can someone confirm it?

You  meant  Tools  Options  Language Settings  Writing Aids ;)

I can confirm the same error under Windows XP Pro x86 Sp3 en_US using 4.2
Beta2

If you click on Characters before line break: 0 and then click on the Edit
button you also get the Hyphenation dialog with Characters before break: 2

Cheers,
Pedro



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Fwd: FreedomSponsors, LibreOffice and Bugzilla

2013-12-07 Thread Samuel Mehrbrodt

I like the idea.

Samuel

Am 05.12.2013 17:13, schrieb Sophie:

Hi all,

I'm fowarding a mail from FreedomSponsors asking about an add on our
bugzilla system that links to FreedomSponsors site which is a
crouwndfounding plateform. That means that some bugs could be
crowdfounded for their fix (and it seems it already happened for a
LibreOffice bug). I let you discuss if you're interested or not and will
inform Tony of our decision.
Thanks !
Cheers
Sophie


 Original Message 
Subject:FreedomSponsors, LibreOffice and Bugzilla
Date:   Tue, 26 Nov 2013 19:33:22 -0200
From:   Tony França tonylamp...@gmail.com
To: i...@documentfoundation.org



Hi, my name is Tony, I'm the founder of freedomsponsors.org
http://freedomsponsors.org - a crowdfunding website for Free/Open
Source Software projects.

In case you never heard of it yet, here's a brief explanation:

 FreedomSponsors is a crowdfunding platform for Free and Open Source
 projects. Specifically, open source project's _issues_.
 It lets anyone place money bounties for open issues that they are
 interested, for which payment is required only after the issue is
 resolved. If the sponsors are happy with the solution, they pay it
 directly to the developer.
 We believe our site can help the Free Software cause and bring more
 people closer to the developers' communities.
 That's the short story. The long story is here [1]
 http://freedomsponsors.org/faq.


LibreOffice is driving a decent traction on FreedomSponsors [2]
http://freedomsponsors.org/core/issue/?page=1project_id=149s=project_name=LibreOffice/[3]

http://blog.freedomsponsors.org/wine-support-for-libreoffice/, and I
think that's pretty awesome.

We have developed a plugin for Bugzilla [4]
https://github.com/freedomsponsors/freedomsponsors-bugzilla-plugin,
that when installed, will add a nice, discrete Sponsor this link on
Bugzilla's bug pages, just below the Importance bit.
Just to illustrate, here's an example of a similar plugin on Jenkins
JIRA - [5] https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-13000.

I'm hoping that LibreOffice will consider adopting it. Do you think
that's a good idea?
If you need anything from FreedomSponsors, just let me know. :-)

Cheers!
Tony

[1] - http://freedomsponsors.org/faq
[2] -
http://freedomsponsors.org/core/issue/?page=1project_id=149s=project_name=LibreOffice
[3] - http://blog.freedomsponsors.org/wine-support-for-libreoffice/
[4] - https://github.com/freedomsponsors/freedomsponsors-bugzilla-plugin
[5] - https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-13000





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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bug-Reporting: Needinfo sets confimed to 1

2013-12-07 Thread bfoman
Robinson Tryon wrote
 Ever confirmed → Removed 0 → Added 1
 The bug has never been confirmed by any other person than the
 bug-reporter. But with setting it to NEEDINFO (There is asked for a
 better description or for an attachment ...) it seems to be confirmed.
 
 well that is weird!

Hi!
This is Bugzilla's default code. Moving an unconfirmed bug to an open state
that isn't UNCONFIRMED will confirm the bug. Moving a confirmed bug to
UNCONFIRMED will change everconfirmed.  It is used internally for checking
who can confirm bugs (has canconfirm permission) or by voting extension
(confirming by popular vote). 
Best regards.



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla Migration: Abbreviation to replace fdo#12345

2013-12-07 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 6:30 AM, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Robinson Tryon
 bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote:
 I felt like I was working hard to go through appropriate channels...

 Yeah, you did well. I'm sorry I apparently started a bikeshed on this...
 I have missed ESC of nov 21st (my fault), but 'the guys doing the work
 should choose'
 is not 'the guys doing the work should organize a beauty pageant election'

IMHO 'the guys doing the work should choose' means 'we're going to
leave it up to the best judgment of those people to decide'.

I thought that we had a bunch of okay abbreviations, and aside from
tdf# (which I wanted to reserve for future use), all of the other
names seemed good enough to me, and didn't raise any red flags when I
checked-in with the ESC.

So, with that information in hand, I figured that I would ask for
input from QA, first in the form of searching for consensus, and
second (if need be) as a voting process. QA doesn't get to make
decisions like this very often, so I thought it would be something fun
for us to decide as a team.

Alternatively, if we want to interpret this message as ' *only* the
guys doing the work should choose', then that's fine with me, too. By
my reckoning, that list includes

- Cloph (for fixing bots and websites, creating DNS redirects, and
generally putting up with all of my requests)
- Dennis Roczek (for a bunch of detailed bot work translating urls on the wiki)
- Andras Timar (for updating urls in the translations and core git repos)
- Tollef (Doing all of the work on the FDO end)
- Me (for doing a lot of legwork on the migration)
- Some others I've undoubtedly forgotten

 On the dev side we are not used to 'vote'. decisions are usually just
 taken. When there is some controversy, the interested parties expose
 the merit of their respective positions, explaining the rational for
 their choice (and I mean _rational_ not _feelings_).

ok

 That usually lead to either a compromise to address each other points,
 or the parties rallying around the rational of one side (we all have
 'opinions' on anything when asked... but more often than not we do not
 _care_ that much about a given topic, so unless we have a strong
 argument to offer we usually do not demand that our opinions be
 counted as strongly as the one of the people intimately involved with
 the work and problems associated with it.. iow 'pick your battle
 wisely'  :-) )), or more often a combination of both.
 in 3 years we where driven to a vote only once.. and even then that
 was more to have each position 'on the record'.

ok

 So in that light I would point out again the criteria _I_ think are
 relevant for the name here:

 1/ short. the summary commit message is the 1st line of a commit
 message, and is limited to 80 chars (72 preferred), and when a commit
 refer to a bug we want the bug reference in that message.
 2/ obvious meaning and easy to remember and type, as much as possible.

 The opposition I've seen so far to lo# are centered around 'it can be
 confused with the abbreviation of the product'. I think that is a
 feature not a bug.
 in the context of bugzilla the use will always be lo#number the #
 make it clear that it is a bug number and remove any ambiguity...
 furtheremore these _are_ libreoffice bugs.. lo = libreoffice, # = bug
 here.  So, other abbreviation may have merit, and may prevails, but
 discarding lo# for that reason seems a red herring to me.

 for reference a quick grep of the log message give use the following uses:

 fdo#
 deb#
 n#n
 #inn#
 rhbz#nn
 CID#n
 cp#
 bnc#
 abi#
 i#
 #n#
 lp#n

 and a mix bag of some mistyped variations thereof (like #fdo)

Up at the top of your email you said:
I'm sorry I apparently started a bikeshed on this...

...but the length and breadth of your email belies that
characterization of this particular decision about abbreviations. This
is clearly not a bikeshed decision, or you and Mat would (hopefully)
not be so invested in what abbreviation is chosen.

If it's a big deal, then yes, I agree we should pay more attention to
it. If it's not a big deal, then we go ahead and pick from the list. I
just need to get a clear message, one way or the other.

I'm sympathetic to input from the developers, even at a late stage in
this process, which is precisely why I listened to Eike's comments and
wrote The devs really like lo# (as it gives them more room in commit
messages).

Cheers,
--R
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla Migration: Abbreviation to replace fdo#12345

2013-12-07 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Robinson Tryon
bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Up at the top of your email you said:
 I'm sorry I apparently started a bikeshed on this...

 ...but the length and breadth of your email belies that
 characterization of this particular decision about abbreviations. This
 is clearly not a bikeshed decision, or you and Mat would (hopefully)
 not be so invested in what abbreviation is chosen.

A bikeshed is when we have very long discusion about something due to
the fact that it is a 'simple' problem, hence everyone feel is his
qualified to give some input...
see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson%27s_law_of_triviality
And yes, I'm guilty of it here... so I'll leave it be for now... if we
end up with xkcd# or lobz# I'll be annoyed, but I'll get over it :-D

Norbert
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bug-Reporting: Needinfo sets confimed to 1

2013-12-07 Thread bfoman
Robinson Tryon wrote
 Either that, or we figure out a different way to indicate that we want
 information from the OP or from one of the other commenters/cc'd
 individuals on the bug. That might require some investment of
 implementation time...

Hi!
You can do it by using needinfo extension used on bugzilla.mozilla.org -
code at http://bzr.mozilla.org/bmo/4.2/files/head:/extensions/Needinfo/.
This is a customized Specifically Requestable flag (cleared when in +/-
states), which can be set to request additional information from anyone,
reporter, assignee, etc. It will be autocleared when a comment is added. 
Beeing a flag it can be searched for using quicksearch query flag:needinfo.
It has some actions displayed in the UI, customized email notes etc. (please
browse the code) . See it live at
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=917278 for an example (you need
to be logged in to see additional UI parts).
Best regards.



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ftp: URLs

2013-12-07 Thread Terrence Enger
On Fri, 2013-12-06 at 16:35 -0500, Robinson Tryon wrote:
 On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Terrence Enger ten...@iseries-guru.com 
 wrote:
  Greetings, all,
 
  Where in LibreOffice, I wonder, should you be able to use a URL?  (This
  could stop me before I file a bunch of bugs which turn out to be
  NOTABUG.)
 
 Do you have 'LibreOffice dialogs' enabled?

I do now, thank you.

And it changes the situation from nothing seems to be working to
such a mixture of working and failing that I cannot be sure what I am
seeing.  I will be smarter tomorrow.  Well, maybe.  I hope. grin /

Terry.

 
 https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Opening_Documents
 
 You need those enabled to use WebDAV urls, but it looks like ftp/http
 is good to go with native dialogs...
 
 Cheers,
 --R


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ftp: URLs

2013-12-07 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Terrence Enger ten...@iseries-guru.com wrote:
 On Fri, 2013-12-06 at 16:35 -0500, Robinson Tryon wrote:
 On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Terrence Enger ten...@iseries-guru.com 
 wrote:
  Greetings, all,
 
  Where in LibreOffice, I wonder, should you be able to use a URL?  (This
  could stop me before I file a bunch of bugs which turn out to be
  NOTABUG.)

 Do you have 'LibreOffice dialogs' enabled?

 I do now, thank you.

 And it changes the situation from nothing seems to be working to
 such a mixture of working and failing that I cannot be sure what I am
 seeing.  I will be smarter tomorrow.  Well, maybe.  I hope. grin /

You don't know the half of it!

(well, actually you do -- the half you're experiencing is probably
similar to the half *I'm* currently experiencing :-)

What I've found so far:
- I can't get LO to access an ftp server running on localhost
- We have links to non-existent pages on the Help Wiki

Just monitor your original bug and I'll fill you in :-)

Cheers,
--R
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Character Line Break set to 0 in Tools - Options - Language Settings - Writing Aids?

2013-12-07 Thread Thomas Hackert
Good morning Pedro, *,
On Samstag, 7. Dezember 2013 16:45 Pedro wrote:
 when I open Tools – Options – Writing Aids, and scroll down the
 Options part, I see the entry
 
 Characters before line break: 0
 
 . A doubleclick on it shows a 2 instead. Is this only on my
 system, or can someone confirm it?
 
 You  meant  Tools  Options  Language Settings  Writing Aids ;)

oh, yes. Forgot to mention it here, sorry ... :(

 I can confirm the same error under Windows XP Pro x86 Sp3 en_US
 using 4.2 Beta2

Thank you for confirming :)

 If you click on Characters before line break: 0 and then click
 on the Edit button you also get the Hyphenation dialog with
 Characters before break: 2

It is now https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72464. Would 
you be so kind to confirm it, please?
TIA
Thomas.

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