[Libreoffice-qa] Saying Goodbye
Hi Guys, It has been alot of fun these last 4 years working with the many libreoffice teams, but like all things in life, things come to an end, so i'd like to thank you all for the pleasure of working with you and wish you all the best in the continuous success of LO. Just as a note, all of the documents i've written related to LO are accessible through my wiki user page. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Philipz Regards, Yousuf Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Meta bug telegram group
Hi Xisco, I no longer open IRC, so the IRC channel isnt useful for me. I previously would discuss meta bugs in the QA telegram group with Thomas, but the messages would get lost in the many messages that would come through on the group, so creating a separate dedicated group for it means that i wouldnt miss any meta bug related messages, even if i decide to ignore or quit the QA telegram group. One option that could be taken, which was taken for the appimage telegram group, is to create a meta bug IRC channel and bridge it to the telegram group, so those only on IRC who want to be involved can also communicate with those only on telegram. Yousuf From: Libreoffice-qa <libreoffice-qa-boun...@lists.freedesktop.org> on behalf of Xisco Fauli <xiscofa...@libreoffice.org> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 2:53 AM To: libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Subject: Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Meta bug telegram group Hi Yousuf, Thanks for all the constant effort you're putting into grouping the bugs. It helps a lot to deal with this beast called Bugzilla. However, I would like to mention that the official communication channel for QA is #libreoffice-qa in freenode ( and its recently created bridge for Telegram [1] ) and it should be, IMHO, the right place for metabug coordination. Is there any reason why you prefer to use that telegram channel instead of the IRC channel? In my opinion, discussing metabugs in the IRC channel allows everyone from the team to participate ( specially those without a Telegram account ), plus it may encourage others to start using the metabugs too. Just my two cents. Regards [1] https://t.me/LibreOffice_QA El 18/07/17 a les 23:53, Jay Philips ha escrit: Hi All, For all those interested in the organization efforts that have been going on with meta bugs, i've created a meta bugs telegram group for us to coordinate our efforts. Everyone is welcome to join using the link below[1], either with the telegram app[2] on your desktop or phone or through their web app[3]. [1] https://t.me/joinchat/CVgtjA0JV1BY3_rJaxMCsQ [2] https://telegram.org/ [3] https://web.telegram.org/#/login Yousuf ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org<mailto:Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org> Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ -- Xisco Faulí Libreoffice QA Team IRC: x1sc0 ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Meta bug telegram group
Hi All, For all those interested in the organization efforts that have been going on with meta bugs, i've created a meta bugs telegram group for us to coordinate our efforts. Everyone is welcome to join using the link below[1], either with the telegram app[2] on your desktop or phone or through their web app[3]. [1] https://t.me/joinchat/CVgtjA0JV1BY3_rJaxMCsQ [2] https://telegram.org/ [3] https://web.telegram.org/#/login Yousuf ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
> Hi Jay, *, Hi Cloph, >> 1) not having to install it on your system to run it (aka portable) > No need to install for TDF builds either. You would have to extract, which isnt simple for a regular user. >> 2) copying it on a usb and run it on any linux distro (atleast the minimum >> system that LO supports, something that snap and flatpak cant do) > can do that with the TDF builds as well. You would have to extract, which isnt simple for a regular user. >> 3) easily running multiple versions (would improve linux QA, as it would >> also lower that barrier for users to test old versions) > can do that with the TDF builds as well. You would have to extract, which isnt simple for a regular user. >> This is fine for advanced linux users but not for basic linux users, >> including those from windows or mac. The tar-ball doesnt even come with a >> simple extract or install bash script, > Not true, there's and install script that could be used, but even that is not > necessary since you can simply extract the packages themselves. Is true as only the RPM version of the tar.gz file this install or extract script and still isnt geared towards basic linux users. > with appimage you'd also have to use the console/terminal/whatever to make it > executable for example, so whether you have instructions that read "run chmod +x " or tell them to run any other command/one-liner for that matter doesn't really make a difference im my book. As mentioned before, users dont have to go to the console to make the appimage executable. See video below. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzZ6Ikc7juw Open up the README_en-US file found in the .tar.gz file and there are no instructions on how to extract it and run it without effecting the version installed by the package manager. It does have install instructions which say to run 'sudo dpkg -i *.deb' inside the DEBS folder and how user friendly is this as an installation experience? We could simply provide bash files in the extracted root folder that users could run to simplify both these processes, but unfortunately we dont. If we do not provide an easy means for users to extract or install TDF built .tar.gz files, less knowledgeable users wont run the latest version. >> The .tar.gz to .appimage bash conversion script can be run directly on the >> webserver, so that would eliminate any uploading time. > But it seems that every language needs its own full installset, and that is a > no-go for actual redistribution. No we plan to distribute 2 versions. One with some UI languages or and one with all UI languages, just like the portable windows versions. >> Quite sure more than 2 people will use it, as i would be one of them, > Exaggeration to make a point. No just keeping the discussion friendly. ;D > And flatpak has a different approach/has repository style backing, but even > that is not a general purpose distribution at the moment. And for TDF builds > flatpak also has deminshing returns, since the main benefit of the > dependencies are already taken care of.. Yes flatpak and snap are comparable as they both have similar goals of making it easy to install an application, while appimage is more focused on portability of the application. >> No the appimage will only include the same files LO bundles in the released >> .deb and .rpm files found in the .tar.gz. It assumes the users system has >> the necessary other dependencies on their system. > Then no added benefit. Benefit is in easier user experience. >> Appimage tries to solve a major problem on linux, easily running an app on >> any linux distro, > Again: Already solved by TDF builds by using a baseline that doesn't > introduce runtime issues. The major problem doesn't exist for LibreOffice. > For other software that is a selling point, but LO already has solved this > problem in a different way. Unfortunately TDF builds dont make it easy for a user to run/install on their system, but yes the baseline does ensure that i could run on most linux distros. > Just answer: Why should I convert to an appimage, if I could also could just > create a tarball or iso-image or similar of the extracted rpm packages? Same > effect for LO. Add a link to toplevel so people don't need to browse to > opt/libreoffice/program to launch, but then it's the same thing, right? I doubt that you would convert to appimage if you are running a rolling distro (e.g. arch) or a distro that make it easy to get the latest version even on a stable distro (e.g. PPAs for ubuntu), but if you wanted to easily run a new or old LO version, e.g. a user wanted to test how well 5.4 beta 2 works to send in bug reports, or take it around on a USB, downloading the appimage will be the simplest user experience that can be achieved for the average linux user, especially those who dont visit the console/terminal. Yousuf ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
Hi All, Sorry i wasnt able to attend today, so i guess i'll leave my comments by email. > + unclear what the future holds here: Snap, FlatPack, AppImage (Michael) If its Libreoffice future, i believe AppImage will be it, as it provides similar functionality as the portable version found on windows, like 1) not having to install it on your system to run it (aka portable) 2) copying it on a usb and run it on any linux distro (atleast the minimum system that LO supports, something that snap and flatpak cant do) 3) easily running multiple versions (would improve linux QA, as it would also lower that barrier for users to test old versions) > + no real need for Linux portable edition (Cloph) > + tar-ball can be unzipped. This is fine for advanced linux users but not for basic linux users, including those from windows or mac. The tar-ball doesnt even come with a simple extract or install bash script, which is why i had to write my own for QA work[1]. This same argument could be said for windows, but we dont tell them to download the .msi file and extract it with 'msiexec /a LibO__Win_x86_multi.msi TARGETDIR="L:\3.6.0"'[2], so they can run it. [1] https://pastebin.com/L6SFSYFR [2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel/Windows > + some people may want it do why not ? (Heiko) > + up-loading takes time, maintenance etc. (Cloph) The .tar.gz to .appimage bash conversion script can be run directly on the webserver, so that would eliminate any uploading time. > + if 2 people use it – build it themselves pwrt. daily builds. Quite sure more than 2 people will use it, as i would be one of them, and am quite sure it will benefit the QA team as well. But i guess we can track the download numbers for it to test whether it is beneficial to keep making them or not once they are available. What are the download numbers like for flatpak? > + how is flat-pack hosted currently ? (Michael) > + build & up-load, and cloph pushes it (Stephan) > + whenever there is a 5.3.x it is build – following Fresh. > + no daily build. If the bash conversion script isnt run locally on the webserver, then Antonio is willing to create the appimages and upload them. > + the request is “become a linux distribution” (Michael) > + flat-pack doesn’t include the GNOME run-time (Stephan) > + AppImage sounds like it will include ~everything: > Gstreamer + all codecs etc. - from some random PC (Michael) No the appimage will only include the same files LO bundles in the released .deb and .rpm files found in the .tar.gz. It assumes the users system has the necessary other dependencies on their system. > + can Jay distribute it instead ? If infra doesnt want to host the appimages, Antonio can host them as he does today at < http://libreoffice.soluzioniopen.com/ >, but some may feel that its is not officially endorsed by LO if they have to go off of LO's website to get it. > + how large is it ? The 'English' version of 5.4 beta 2 is 274MB[3], the 'Standard' version of 5.4 beta 2 is 308MB[4] and the 'Full' version of 5.4 beta 2 is 382MB[5]. The 'Standard' version contains the same language files as found in the 'MultilingualStandard' windows portable file and the 'Full' version contains all languages files, similar to the 'MultilingualAll' windows portable file[6]. For comparison, the 5.3.3 snap release is 358MB[7]. [3] http://libreoffice.soluzioniopen.com/pre-releases/LibreOfficeDev-5.4.0.0.beta2_English_x86-64.AppImage [4] http://libreoffice.soluzioniopen.com/pre-releases/LibreOfficeDev_5.4.0.0.beta2_Standard_x86-64.AppImage [5] http://libreoffice.soluzioniopen.com/pre-releases/LibreOfficeDev_5.4.0.0.beta2_Full_x86-64.AppImage [6] http://www.libreoffice.org/download/portable-versions/ [7] https://public.apps.ubuntu.com/anon/download-snap/CpUkI0qPIIBVRsjy49adNq4D6Ra72y4v_19.snap > + AppImage works hard to solve a problem we already solved: > of being an ISV on Linux – it is hard but solveable. Appimage tries to solve a major problem on linux, easily running an app on any linux distro, especially new apps on a stable distro. For more information, you can watch opensuse's Richard Brown compare AppImage, Snappy and Flatpak[8], watch the appimage author's presentation at the opensuse conference[9], view the script that converts the .tar.gz to .appimage[10], view a list of the apps that use appimage[12], or check out their website[11]. [8] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r1OwX-dNFo [9] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrWB2OZ9h2Y [10] https://github.com/AppImage/AppImages/blob/master/recipes/libreoffice/Recipe [11] https://github.com/AppImage/AppImageKit/wiki/AppImages [12] http://appimage.org/ > + Sad to miss jphilips in the discussion; do it again later ? I will try to attend next week but doubt it will work as VOIP services like hangouts
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
Hi Michael, > The "just run the console and do chmod +x " that > I see on their front-page is (I suspect) rather a bit of a usability > nightmare ;-) at least initially vs. say an app-store. Some 'technical' > people I know are impressed by command-line use ;-) As you can set the executable bit from within your desktop environment[1], i wouldnt expect users to jump to the console in order to do so, especially users appimage is targeting, unless they were terminal junkies. :D [1] https://youtu.be/nzZ6Ikc7juw?t=1m16s > That seems reasonable. I guess it needs an active maintainer who fixes > problems with it - that is not Cloph =) is that you and/or Antonio ? Yes Antonio would be the maintainer. > I guess its useful to some people =) is there a central app-store / > location to find appimages ? Yep, i use it to run the latest VLC[2] and Krita[3] on my Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, without affecting the version that comes from the base system. As anyone can create and distribute an appimage, there isnt a central store for it, but i'd assume such a store will eventually be created in the future. The appimage author keeps a list of appimages he's aware of on a wiki, which i did link to in my previous email. Here it is again.[4] [2] https://bintray.com/probono/AppImages/VLC/3.0.0.git4ff2515.glibc2.17#files [3] http://www.davidrevoy.com/article322/krita-appimage-for-cats [4] https://github.com/AppImage/AppImageKit/wiki/AppImages > Is Antonio in a better location for international calls ? Yes he works at Studio Storti with Marina. > Sounds reasonable to me to test this out as experimental for the 5.4.x > release and if it works well for 6.0. Sweet. > Thanks Jay & Antonio ! Thanks Michael. Regards, Yousuf ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] DOCX meta bug
Hi Telesto, Thank you for working with meta bugs, but unfortunately the DOCX limitation meta bug (tdf#88173) isnt to be used to tag every single bug report that relates to the DOCX format (we use the keyword 'filter:docx' to tag such bug reports), but is to list bugs related to DOCX features that LibreOffice hasnt implemented and cant be implement, as mentioned by qubit in comment 3 of the bug. On a separate note, if you wish to do alot of such meta bug changes, i'd suggest you ask QA admin members on IRC to provide you ninja edit status, so that emails dont get sent out to every user subscribed to the meta bug, as my inbox has been flooded with hundreds of such changes to the DOCX limitation meta bug. Regards, Yousuf ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Better organization of bugs with meta bugs
Hi All, With the ability to only set the component field to classify bugs to a very basic level, i believe that meta bugs should be used to further classify things and provide a needed means of grouping bugs. The keywords and whiteboard fields have been useful for developers to hunt down bugs they want to work on, but QA users not aware of these tags wont set them, which means that some bugs wont appear in such searches. The 'see also' field has been used to group similar bugs together, but how closely related these bugs are isnt defined with this association and having a large list of bugs in the see also area is a clutter. With the usage of meta bugs, the QA team will be able to 1) Easily group related bugs under a clear meta bug heading, like for a language group, GSoC project, vcl backend, dialog, etc. examples https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83066 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85184 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102495 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103238 2) Easily find duplicate bugs of a particular topic by only searching through the bugs in a particular meta bug, which can easily be done with bugzilla's search or by clicking on the 'show dependency tree' link found on the meta bug page and then clicking on the 'show resolved' button on the dependency tree page to show close bugs. examples https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=99671_resolved=0 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=88278_resolved=0 3) Organize bugs not only under one main meta bug, but also have sub-meta bugs and sub-sub-meta bugs to provide an hierarchically organized structure to the bugs. example https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102019 |- https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94551 |- https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103223 |- https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34551 4) Notifying other users CCed on a meta bug of a related bug that they can possibly triage and fix. Meta bugs have also helped developers in providing a central place for them to find all the related bugs of a particular topic they want to work on, as creating a new keyword or whiteboard tag for this grouping isnt efficient. examples https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81234 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91063 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91310 So i encourage all users to associate meta bugs to bug reports they submit and triage and create a new meta bug if a suitable one isnt available and they have seen enough similar bugs of a similar topic. Adding an alias for the meta bug is also encouraged, as it will appear on the page of associated bugs rather than the bug number. For a list of all available meta bugs, you can find the "Meta bugs" search query[1] listed in the "Saved Searches" tab[2] of Preferences in Bugzilla. I've created many meta bugs over the last few months and would appreciate everyones help in making them as complete as possible. I have just finished cleaning up the sidebar meta bug[3] over the last 2 days, as it had over 150 bugs associated with it, and plan to continue further organizing its sub-meta bugs into sub-sub-meta bugs when necessary. [1] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem=run=Meta%20bugs_id=22399 [2] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=saved-searches [3] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=65138_resolved=0 ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] gtk3 builds for QA
Hi All, As the gtk3 build of LO is constantly getting improved, it would be good to have gtk3 builds of LO available for QA to regularly test against. I recently installed Fedora in a VM and the gtk3 build of LO comes with it and there was a bug in it, but unfortunately i didnt have a gtk3 master build to see if the bug had already been fixed. Yousuf ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] right-click menu of images in Writer: submenu of Wrap has only one entry
Hi JBF, I cant reproduce this with daily 5.2, but if anything has gone missing or has changed it label, then it would be the result of Maxim's work. https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93837 Yousuf On 06/17/2016 08:35 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Hi, In the submenu Wrap of the right-click menu of an image in Writer, there is only "Edit Contour...". In 5.1 we have several other entries. Is this part of the simplification of menus or a bug? I guess it is a bug because having only one entry in a submenu make the submenu useless. Please could you confirm? Best regards. JBF ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Keyword for ux-advise
Hey, On 04/17/2016 08:53 PM, Joel Madero wrote: Hi, The design team would like a 'needsUXEval' keyword added to the keywords field, so that ux-advise bugs can be assigned that keyword instead of having ux-advise assigned in the component field, so for example it would be easy to search bugs in Draw that require ux-advise. Done Thanks QA members that would be assigning this new keyword rather than the component should be aware that they would have to add the ux-advise mailing list email to the CC list, as that isnt automatically being set with the use of the keyword. I doubt people will remember to do this - but, it's your workflow. Kendy felt it maybe difficult and wanted to know if it was possible to do this from the bugzilla end so that it would be automatic. Should I delete the component? I wouldnt delete the component until all the entries set to ux-advise are changed to a more suitable component. Best, Joel Regards, Yousuf ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Keyword for ux-advise
Hi All, The design team would like a 'needsUXEval' keyword added to the keywords field, so that ux-advise bugs can be assigned that keyword instead of having ux-advise assigned in the component field, so for example it would be easy to search bugs in Draw that require ux-advise. QA members that would be assigning this new keyword rather than the component should be aware that they would have to add the ux-advise mailing list email to the CC list, as that isnt automatically being set with the use of the keyword. Yousuf ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-design] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-04-01
On 04/05/2016 05:38 PM, Wols Lists wrote: Just seen this - one little comment ... "Prefer graphical widgets in favor of controls that require the input of an exact value (e.g. an image’s transparency with discrete steps via sliders)." I'm not sure how appropriate it is in these circumstances, but one of the things that drives me up the wall with guis is how you're forced to use sliders/mice so much. A graphical widget should have a button that converts it into an input window - eg I sometimes want to enter colours as pantones. Most people are visual. Most people prefer sliders. Just remember that some of us don't ... :-) That's why I'm a WordPerfect fan - it's so easy to use an input dialog that plonks things *exactly* where you want them rather than dragging and hoping you've dropped it in the right place :-) Though we will be introducing more graphical widgets, they will be accompanied by regular input fields that users can view/input the exact value. E.g. the transparency slider and spinbox field in the area content panel. Cheers, Wol Yousuf ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Windows XP only bug
Hi All, If anyone has Windows XP, can you check out the bug below on connecting to Google Drive. Thanks. https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97226 Yousuf ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] More information in About dialog
Hi, I had mentioned the issue to Meeks last week and he said "Oh - so; those numbers have to go through a mapping table to be human readable. And - worse - they are now trying hard not to expose windows version information in their new APIs." On 03/08/2016 03:13 AM, Pedro wrote: V Stuart Foote wrote See this MSDN note: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms724832%28v=vs.85%29.aspx Ok. So LibreOffice is not getting the Windows version correctly. In fact, if I open a command window I get "Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.10586]" which makes sense and agrees with the MSDN page. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Beginners guide to QA
Hi All, I had suggested that a beginners guide to QA be created during one of the QA meeting some time back and would appreciate people's feedback on what has been written so far and what additions can be added, so that i can be complete and added to the wiki. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CGhkvqZBg-G_uYJFiNS8-d-P2VjyDE8Z2-rtqM__VG4/edit# Yousuf ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Contact from LibreOffice-Box website
Hi all, Yes many users on the Mac Appstore have mentioned that in their reviews. Here is one example: As per the other review on printing-I am having the same challenge. landscape mode is stuck?? On the print preview page I clicked on ‘more’ then ‘brochure’—[I am a messer when computers don’t do what I think they should do] & it flipped the page. I still don’t know why the PDF button is on? I’ll play with it some more and re-review. https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/libreoffice-vanilla/id921923693?mt=12 On 03/03/2016 08:04 PM, Joel Madero wrote: To me it just sounds like a bugShould ask on the user list to see if anyone knows tricks or workarounds but if it's a bug, they'll just have to report it and wait (and it could be a long time before it's fixed). On 03/03/2016 01:00 AM, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote: Hi all, maybe someone can take care of this and aswer to her. Am 02.03.2016 um 19:34 schrieb katiem...@aol.com: Salutation - Ms. Name - margaret Surname - hardy Email - katiem...@aol.com Your Text - in a desperate attempt to convert appleworks and microsoft word excel files to my new mac i tried your product - it works for some but not all. the problem is that the print page shows horizontal and vertical layouts but it only prints the horizontal even though i check the vertical box. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Improving the OS Field
Hi All, I'd like to suggest we improve the selection of OSes in the OS listbox, by getting rid of the ones we dont build for or have 0 bugs for (e.g. AIX, HP-UX) or have virtually no open bugs for (e.g. Solaris, OpenBSD), as we have an 'Others' entry that should be sufficient for that. I also think we should add ones that have unique bugs that dont happen in different versions. Here are some of the ones i think should be added. Windows XP - quite a few bugs exclusive to this Windows Vista - quite a few bugs exclusive to this Windows 10 - would assume new bugs are being found exclusive to this that dont affect 7 or 8 Windows (64-bit) - quite a lot of LO x64 build only bugs Linux (64-bit) - i've seen a number of these that dont affect the 32-bit build Steve would better know if we needed to break up the 'Mac OS X (All)' entry into additional entries. With this improved OS field, i believe we can retire the Hardware field. Yousuf ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Tooltips on Windows
Hi All, Tommy opened a bug that he's unable to see tooltips in the color picker on Windows 8, though me and beluga arent able to reproduce on Linux or Windows 7, so if there are any Windows 8 or 10 users in QA, can you check if you can reproduce. https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98100 Yousuf ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-design] Re: Any mac users out there
Glad to have you on board Italo. Even if you dont use shortcuts, you can test that they work and you can compare them against other mac software like NeoOffice, MS Office, iWork, etc. if you have them. On 03/01/2016 08:58 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote: I am a Mac user too, but I am not a shortcut user (at all, I need icons for my mouse). I can help, of course, alhtough my feedback would not reflect Mac users using shortcuts. On 01/03/2016 04:47, Yousuf 'Jay' Philips wrote: Hi All, I'm going to be also working on improving the shortcuts on Mac and wondered if there are any mac users in the QA and design teams that could test and make suggestions. https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98290 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/198zpaE2SKD0MIQUmSKb-s9vVCZy5dsdLg5JXhJ82iHg/edit?usp=sharing ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Any mac users out there
Hi All, I'm going to be also working on improving the shortcuts on Mac and wondered if there are any mac users in the QA and design teams that could test and make suggestions. https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98290 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/198zpaE2SKD0MIQUmSKb-s9vVCZy5dsdLg5JXhJ82iHg/edit?usp=sharing Jay ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Excel key bindings for Calc
Hi Pedro, On 02/29/2016 02:32 PM, Pedro wrote: This is a very useful table. One key that I always have to change in any LibreOffice installation is F4 to toggle absolute/relative addresses (maybe this could be changed from Shift+F4 as default unless there are too many Calc users opposing?) With LO 5.1, F4 was made to toggle absolute/relative addresses. Does Ctrl+; (insert current date) work for you? This is one of Excel's function that I really miss. Maybe it doesn't work on my systems because I use a Portuguese keyboard? If so then it's probably a bug? Works for me, so i guess its the portuguese keyboard. Some keyboard shortcuts have different shortcuts based on the language UI of LO that the user is using, so do file a bug for this and suggest an alternative shortcut that can work on your keyboard and CC me. Would also be good to get feedback from other users using the portuguese keyboard for their suggestion for an alternative shortcut. Jay ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Excel key bindings for Calc
Hi All, I'm currently working on an option for having Calc use Excel's keyboard shortcuts. So i'm gathering a list of shortcuts to see which ones can be integrated in Calc's default mode and which would be exclusive to an Excel keybinding mode. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AmDXLkQiFK5OcOrtuGn7iAcqp2Yhc_eNNnlADk-ji-U/edit?usp=sharing https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98255 If you have defined your own custom shortcuts in Calc, do share them with me. :D Yousuf ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-10-07
Hi, On 10/30/2015 12:00 AM, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: Hi, On Fri, Oct 09, 2015 at 10:13:43PM +0200, Jan Holesovsky wrote: * 'industrial' icon theme - keep or remove? + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/19149/ + Human also depends on Industrial (Jay) + should that be actually depend on Tango? (Jay) + best to talk to Bjoern (Michaelsen) (Kendy) Human has already been broken by tdf#93145 in LibreOffice 5.0. All icon themes that were highly incomplete were affected in 5.0 tdf#94408 - e.g. oxygen, sifr. There is no way Ubuntu will ship a huge set of fallback themes to make Human complete again, thus we only ship themes with galaxy as fallback -- the ultimate fallback. All Human needs to do to be complete is at build time to import all the missing icons from industrial into it, which is what tango does at build time, and ubuntu ship galaxy as the fallback. For upcoming releases see lp#1506544: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1506544 Note that does NOT mean we should immediately drop human. At least for 5.1/xenial it should be kept an transitional option. Not sure how well breeze with the ubuntu theme and it maybe better to use tango. Best, Bjoern Regards, Yousuf 'Jay' Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Chart Styles for LibreOffice
Hi All, One of the means to improve the UX of libreoffice is to have a good set of presets for different features. The design team recently proposed new cell styles, which is hopeful to be included in 5.1. So recently i begin researching about chart styles and have prepared a document regarding the parts of a chart style, so that people can propose chart styles for review and to also get feedback and interest from devs on its implementation. The document is available as an attachment to bug 90490 ( https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=118876 ) and is also available online on google docs ( https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QZ2JchTHZ0_o4CZwMNB-xVqIKJVomrnSw8LetfX-uZ8/edit?usp=sharing ). -- Regards, Yousuf 'Jay' Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Chart Sidebar Testing
Hi All, Marcus (moggi on irc) is working on the sidebar for Chart mode for 5.1, so please test it when you have time and if you find bugs in it, please set blocks to 91063. https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91063 -- Yousuf 'Jay' Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] New Whiteboard tags created for text layout bugs: text:rtl, text:cjk, text:ctl
Hi Qubit, Just wanted to let you guys know what i've been doing about rtl and cjk bugs that i've encountered in the past. I've been setting them to their meta bugs as the meta bugs have alot of users CCed on them that would likely look over the bug as well. RTL - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43808 CJK - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83066 Yousuf 'Jay' Philips On 09/25/2015 05:00 PM, Robinson Tryon wrote: Hi all, After some discussion during the conference and at the hackfest yesterday, we identified new Whiteboard tags to be used to categorize bugs related to text layout. Details available here, including links to all bugs using the tags: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Fields/Whiteboard/Advanced#text:xxx Cheers, --R ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Gathering OpenGL info
Hi All, I've just added info to the OpenGL wiki page on how to get a computer's OpenGL details so QA can instruct users to provide this when they are reporting bugs related to this. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/OpenGL -- Yousuf 'Jay' Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Paragraph and character styles in Writer's Styles menu
Hi All, As part of the rework of the menus in Writer (bug 91781), i've created a Styles menu and i've put some paragraph styles in there and wanted to know if anyone has any suggestions of additional paragraph or character styles that should be added to the list. Presently i'm planning to add Default, Emphasis, Strong Emphasis, and Source Text character styles. -- Regards, Yousuf 'Jay' Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Interoperability Test File
On 08/25/2015 01:49 PM, Pedro wrote: These are exactly the kind of bugs that bring bad reputation to LibreOffice... Doubt this brings bad reputation to LO, as that is what i used to do when i first joined. :D Interoperability and Regressions... Without identifying interoperability and regression problems, LO wont get better. Jay ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Unable to set ux-advise bugs to NEW in new bugzilla
Hi All, As ux-advise bugs are not supposed to be affecting the QA bug count, the new bugzilla doesnt permit me to change its status when creating a bug report. -- Regards, Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Anyone with a dual monitor
Hi Guys, Have a bug report of a user using a dual monitor who reports funny behaviour with the sidebar, so if anyone has that setup, can you give it a look. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87826 -- Regards, Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Release Notes Whiteboard Keyword
Hi Joel, MAB is limited to bug fixes and some bugs fixes that are in the release notes are not in MAB. Also the release notes are primarily focused on enhancements. :D Regards, Jay Philips On 11/15/2014 02:56 AM, Joel Madero wrote: Hi Jay, Hi All, I had recently been listening to a podcast and they mentioned that a linux or bsd distro would have a keyword in its bug tracking system for bugs that are worth mentioning in the release notes. So i was thinking that a whiteboard keyword of the same could be done so that it is easy to query bugzilla for these when libreoffice releases a major release. I have really mixed feelings about this - sounds like a good way to encourage pet bugs which we don't like. How is this different from just the MAB list? Best, Joel ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Release Notes Whiteboard Keyword
Hi All, I had recently been listening to a podcast and they mentioned that a linux or bsd distro would have a keyword in its bug tracking system for bugs that are worth mentioning in the release notes. So i was thinking that a whiteboard keyword of the same could be done so that it is easy to query bugzilla for these when libreoffice releases a major release. -- Regards, Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LO master still crashing on Tools - Options - LibreOfficeDev Base
Hi Thomas, Cor and I have already reported this bug. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85081 Regards, Jay Philips On 10/26/2014 12:46 PM, Thomas Hackert wrote: Good morning @ll, I am still able to reproduce the crash with Tools – Options – LibreOfficeDev Base, which I reported here on 3rd of October (see http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/2014-October/007849.html) ... :( Will this bug also be in the upcoming 4.4.0.0alpha1, which should be (already?) released (soon?), according to https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/4.4? Steps to reproduce: 1. Start LO 2. go to Tools – Options – LibreOfficeDev Base and either click on Connections or Database LO immediately crashes ... :( Tested with: LO: Version: 4.4.0.0.alpha1+ Build ID: 3f5251675ae56ea282fdeb09dbc53ce4aae6 TinderBox: Linux-rpm_deb- x86@45-TDF, Branch:master, Time: 2014-10-26_01:09:19 (parallel installed, following the instructions from https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel) OS: Debian Testing i686 Could someone else also still reproduce it on a different system? TIA for testing Thomas. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Spellchecking on pre-release
Hi All, Not sure how relevant this is, but i saw this on twitter. well dang, libreoffice's previously-latest nightly pre-release doesn't properly spellcheck. It thinks kolandar = correct spelling 4 calendar https://twitter.com/KewlH4ck3r/status/519970072002297856 -- Regards, Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] fdo Bugzilla upgraded to 4.4.5
Thanks a million as that works. :D Regards, Jay Philips On 10/03/2014 08:35 PM, bfoman wrote: jphilipz wrote Hi bfoman, I'm assuming it rolled out yesterday or so, as since yesterday i've been having difficulties loading large pages in bugzilla as they are not fully loading in my browser of choice (opera). Hi! You can try to set Browser identification as IE (for this site). Do not forget to file a bug when bugzilla.mozilla.org come back to life. Best regards. P.S. jmadero - you made my day. Thanks for a big cup of ROTFL. BTW: Bugzilla 4.4.6 will be released soon, hope fdo admins will update promptly. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/fdo-Bugzilla-upgraded-to-4-4-5-tp4124643p4124822.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] fdo Bugzilla upgraded to 4.4.5
I guess my work on bugzilla will be limited with this change. Jay On 10/03/2014 05:38 AM, V Stuart Foote wrote: Joel, Kind of looks like they did... https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/admin.cgi Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/fdo-Bugzilla-upgraded-to-4-4-5-tp4124643p4124714.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] fdo Bugzilla upgraded to 4.4.5
Hi bfoman, I'm assuming it rolled out yesterday or so, as since yesterday i've been having difficulties loading large pages in bugzilla as they are not fully loading in my browser of choice (opera). Regards, Jay Philips On 10/02/2014 07:00 PM, bfoman wrote: Hi! Important news for users and those planning Bugzilla migration - fdo Bugzilla have been upgraded to latest 4.4.5 version! Please read about new features available - http://www.bugzilla.org/releases/4.4.5/release-notes.html#v44_feat The upgrade to next stable branch of Bugzilla with a lot of new features will be easier. Best regards. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/fdo-Bugzilla-upgraded-to-4-4-5-tp4124643.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] any kde, mac and xmonad users
Hi Guys/Gals, Came across 3 bugs for impress that involve different desktop environments then i have, so if anyone can have a peak at it, that would be great. libo causes a segfault on xmonad https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=78073 kde notifications appearing while in slide show https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=80729 undo doesnt refresh text rendering on mac https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=82871 -- Regards, Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Some needQAAdvice bugs
Thanks Owen for taking the time to check them out. Regards, Jay Philips On 09/14/2014 08:50 AM, Owen Genat wrote: jphilipz wrote Well i've been triaging today and came across a few bugs that i thought i'd need the more experience QA or dev team to give their opinions on. I have commented in the first bug and provided an example with some clarity. Appears to be a rounding / floating point(?) issue as you indicate. I think the other two are fine and offer a couple of improvements to LO. I have noticed the Draw toolbar one before. Strange behaviour, although IMO it really should not be doing that. Well done, Owen. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-Some-needQAAdvice-bugs-tp4122205p4122208.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Scrollbar missing at Tools - Options - LibreOfficeDev - Appearance in LO 4.4.0.0alpha under Debian Testing i686
Hi Thomas, I see the toolbar, but the bottom edge is gone and i can only scroll through a few entries. Regards, Jay Philips On 09/04/2014 09:14 PM, Thomas Hackert wrote: Hello @ll, found something strange in LO Version: 4.4.0.0.alpha0+ Build ID: 8e4defe4b59a72fbe82f94b26e233ba36640c739 TinderBox: Linux-rpm_deb- x86@45-TDF, Branch:master, Time: 2014-09-02_01:46:56 (parallel installed, following the instructions from https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel and with installed en_US lang- as well as helppack) under Debian Testing i686: 1. Start LO 2. Go to Tools – Options – LibreOfficeDev – Appearance While there was a scrollbar on the right in the last versions of LO, there is none in the above mentioned version ... :( Also if I tab through the different possible options there, there appears a short scrollbar, but you can neither use this to scroll the right side of the dialog to the bottom nor tab to it there ... :( Can someone test this with a different OS/architecture, please? Is it the same there? Does anybody know, if it is already reported to bugzilla? TIA and have a nice evening Thomas. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Scrollbar missing at Tools - Options - LibreOfficeDev - Appearance in LO 4.4.0.0alpha under Debian Testing i686
All good with me. I close the bug as WFM. Regards, Jay Philips On 09/16/2014 08:37 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote: Thomas, Jay, *, Guess then it must have been Jay's message from Sep 4th finally clearing moderation. So Jay, are you good now with the scroll bar on the Appearance panel on the 32-bit TB45 builds? Can we set the fdo#81920 back to Resolved WFM? Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-Scrollbar-missing-at-Tools-Options-LibreOfficeDev-Appearance-in-LO-4-4-0-0alpha-under6-tp4121231p4122461.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Some needQAAdvice bugs
Hi All, Well i've been triaging today and came across a few bugs that i thought i'd need the more experience QA or dev team to give their opinions on. User wants to be able to enter in a font size of 10.7, but the value is automatically rounded to 10.6 https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=83090 User says drawing toolbar should be shown in its final state when displayed and not shown and then buttons are removed from the toolbar https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=83320 User feels the double-clicking of the page statusbar section should automatically select the page number, i do agree but not sure if this should be a bug or enhancement https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=83491 -- Regards, Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] BSA 2.0 - First Draft of Concept Questions
On 09/11/2014 04:40 AM, Joel Madero wrote: On 09/10/2014 04:32 PM, Jay Philips wrote: Hey Joel, Yes i think a step by step process is a nice user friendly way to go. When Calligra Words crashed on me, their step by step bug report was fun to go through. About your doc, here are some thoughts. 1) I'm assuming that many users coming to the BSA are coming through the Help Send Feedback menu item and the libreoffice version number will be provided through this link, so the first question should be for the user to enter in the libreoffice version they are using and that the list be automatically set to the version present in the link. After the user selects his version, or simply clicks ok as his version is already selected, then either it takes him to the 'please upgrade your version' notice or step 2. Not sure I'm following this. About suggestion 1, when a user goes to Help Send Feedback, its a link that looks like this http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/feedback/?LOversion=4.4.0.0.alpha0LOlocale=en-USLOmodule=StartModule and in the LOversion part of the url, that is the libreoffice version number, so that should be used to automatically set it in the drop down. Forgot to mention that in the 'Reproducible Steps:' step, the module selection should be there as well, and the link mentioned above will also help in its auto selection. 2) I think we should ask them to download the latest stable/still version if they are running an EOL version or if they are on an older version of the current stable/still. I strongly disagree - if it's fixed in Fresh - that is sufficient 95% of the time (ie. we're not going to go dig through to find a backport if stable isn't fixed). The idea here is to lessen the load on QA, not to increase, and this would increase it. Else they download stable, confirm that their minor bug is still in it, report, we find that it's fixed in Fresh, and just set to WFM. This is not the ideal situation. They can always download stable - we'll just direct them to the Fresh page, if they go to the Stable branch, fine. 3) Step 2 should be asking the user for his operating system, with that being automatically selected by means of javascript through the user's browser agent (florian already has that code). Takes more work to implement. Florian's thing is a concept, not currently workable without additional steps by user. The main point here is that step 2 should be the user choosing his operating system and the javascript can assist with that selection. If the javascript is never implemented, that is also not a problem for this to be step 2. This should be very easy to implement and Liongold or I can assist with it with Florian's code. 3) Step 3 should be asking them if this is a bug report or an enhancement request and this step should be skipped if the user clicks the two different links on http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/feedback/ , as presently they link to the same page. Again this takes more work and coding WITHIN LibreOffice but I'm not opposed to the idea. I'm assuming cloph or Liongold can easily make this minor change and worst case, i'll can do it if i get the keys. :D 4) Step 4 is only for users who are submitting a bug report and that asks them if this bug had happened in a previous version and shows the version list with the first entry being something like i'm not sure. Yup agreed. 5) I think it would be great to have bug priority set by simple yes/no questions, but think that is the job of the QA team to set that feature, and a simple yes/no question of whether it hangs/crashes is sufficient for BSA bug reporters. This would just set a quasi setting that could always be changed, I disagree that we can't ask users to help us. Else - the reality is we don't have the time to even triage bugs let alone deal with prioritizing them. A rough idea through 4 questions seems fine and if users are unhappy answering 4 simple questions, I have little patience for taking my time to triage their bugs. Best, Joel ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] BSA 2.0 - First Draft of Concept Questions
Hey Joel, Yes i think a step by step process is a nice user friendly way to go. When Calligra Words crashed on me, their step by step bug report was fun to go through. About your doc, here are some thoughts. 1) I'm assuming that many users coming to the BSA are coming through the Help Send Feedback menu item and the libreoffice version number will be provided through this link, so the first question should be for the user to enter in the libreoffice version they are using and that the list be automatically set to the version present in the link. After the user selects his version, or simply clicks ok as his version is already selected, then either it takes him to the 'please upgrade your version' notice or step 2. 2) I think we should ask them to download the latest stable/still version if they are running an EOL version or if they are on an older version of the current stable/still. 3) Step 2 should be asking the user for his operating system, with that being automatically selected by means of javascript through the user's browser agent (florian already has that code). 3) Step 3 should be asking them if this is a bug report or an enhancement request and this step should be skipped if the user clicks the two different links on http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/feedback/ , as presently they link to the same page. 4) Step 4 is only for users who are submitting a bug report and that asks them if this bug had happened in a previous version and shows the version list with the first entry being something like i'm not sure. 5) I think it would be great to have bug priority set by simple yes/no questions, but think that is the job of the QA team to set that feature, and a simple yes/no question of whether it hangs/crashes is sufficient for BSA bug reporters. Regards, Jay Philips On 09/10/2014 11:16 PM, Joel Madero wrote: We've been talking about this for quite some time. *Idea: *A BSA that gives users a 1 question at a time approach with almost exclusively yes/no answers. By filling out the information the bug report gets appropriate importance, severity, version, attachments, etc . . . The attached document has a first draft of the flow that I envisioned -- suggestions welcome. Best, Joel ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] For Those Who Like to Impress
Hi All, My writer toolbar proposal is going well and the dev that i'm working with has suggested we do the same for other apps, starting with impress. So i'm presently going through the stats to figure out which buttons to add/remove and would feedback from those who use it in the form of customized toolbar screenshots or suggestions of buttons that should be visible by default. -- Regards, Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Missing Tools - Options - Internet - MediaWiki options in LO 4.4.0.0
Hi Thomas, No CC this time. :) Both confirmations were on Linux Mint. But i can confirm that the appearance bug was on windows master as well (2014-08-26). I'm updating my builds today, so it might be gone by then. :) Version: 4.4.0.0.alpha0+ Build ID: fcc6e8ae56d539ef92bfb917a52ac0638b3db25f TinderBox: Linux-rpm_deb-x86@45-TDF, Branch:master, Time: 2014-08-30_01:50:29 Regards, Jay Philips On 09/05/2014 06:58 PM, Thomas Hackert wrote: Hello Jay, *, would you be so kind to stop CCing me, please? I am reading this ML (though I might only be able to answer in the evenings ... :( ), so I do not an additional mail ... ;) TIA :) On Donnerstag, 4. September 2014 22:18 Jay Philips wrote: Confirmed. Thanks for confirming :) Which OS/architecture did you use to test it? Thanks again and have a nice evening Thomas. Fullquote removed ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Missing Tools - Options - Internet - MediaWiki options in LO 4.4.0.0
Hi Thomas, Confirmed. Regards, Jay Philips On 09/04/2014 09:34 PM, Thomas Hackert wrote: Hello @ll, and another one: 1. Start LO 2. Go to Tools – Options – Internet – MediaWiki On my system with LO Version: 4.4.0.0.alpha0+ Build ID: 8e4defe4b59a72fbe82f94b26e233ba36640c739 TinderBox: Linux-rpm_deb- x86@45-TDF, Branch:master, Time: 2014-09-02_01:46:56 (parallel installed, following the instructions from https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel and with en_US lang- as well as helppack) under Debian Testing i686, there is only a grey page on the right side, without any possibility to add a wiki account etc. ... :( Can someone confirm this with a different OS/architecture, please? TIA and have a nice evening Thomas. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Importance of Footnotes
Hi All, I would appreciate if others could chime in on the importance of footnotes and also on how often footnotes are used from their experience. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83117 -- Regards, Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice
Hi R, I thought it wouldnt make a difference with xiph or ffdshow tryouts as klite already uses ffdshow/lav libraries, and thats what it turned out to be. Regards, Jay Philips On 08/29/2014 02:18 AM, Robinson Tryon wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi R, Any info about Windows from the devs, as i'd like to do some testing for it. Jay -- It would be great if you could test on Windows with the Xiph and 'ffdshow tryouts' codec packs, that would be great. I stubbed-in some notes here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Media_Support#Support_on_Windows Thanks, --R ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice
Hi R, Any info about Windows from the devs, as i'd like to do some testing for it. Regards, Jay Philips On 08/28/2014 09:10 PM, Robinson Tryon wrote: On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Robinson Tryon bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Alexander Thurgood So Perian still might be an option for some users? That's actually very useful. If Perian is indeed still compatible with modern builds of OS X, then that might be our best option to promote for audio/video playback inside LO. Have you tested that at all? No, I've not tested Perian since OSX 10.4 Ok. The posts on the Perian mailing list suggest that 10.9 is a no-go Hi all, I've had a number of great conversations with various developers including Tor, Alex, and Norbert, and now have (I hope) a much better understanding of the situation. For those interested in the details: Even though Apple is deprecating the QuickTime APIs that allow for things such as Perian and other QuickTime Components, the code may stick around for a couple of OS releases. Even if the QuickTime Player X is using AVFoundation in the backend, LibreOffice may be able to continue to use the QuickTime libraries. There are some other possibilities (such as libvlc) that we can investigate for the future, but it's definitely worth it for us to see what's possible on 10.9 right now. Alex -- It would be great to have your test results for a non-VLC-enabled master build on 10.9, both before and after installing Perian and/or the Xiph QT Components: http://perian.cachefly.net/Perian_1.2.3.dmg https://www.xiph.org/quicktime/ Feel free to add those in a table on the wiki, or just let me know via email and I'll make an update to the wiki page: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Media_Support#OS_X_10.9_Codec_Support Thanks! --R ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Call Time
I should be available anytime that its set. Regards, Jay Philips On 08/26/2014 05:45 PM, Joel Madero wrote: Hi All - So the QA call time appears to be a problem again. I can no longer make the current time and we've seen decline in participation for the last few calls. Can we get a I'm interested vote for people who *might* consider joining the call if the time was better for you. The call is incredibly important for the team (IMHO) as I think it keeps us cohesive, allows us to talk live about problems/concerns, allows us to discuss new plans and get updates on ongoing projects. I'd really like to suggest that people who are quite active on the ML and FDO at least consider joining the call -- it's free and you aren't expected to say anything if you have nothing to say ;) But it would be nice to see these people on the call (you know who you are! ;) ). That being said - if the call is tomorrow as planned I won't be available. @Robinson - thoughts? Best, Joel ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice
Hey R, To my knowledge image support is pretty much all good (i'm assuming you mean simple image formats like jpg, png, etc), while more complex image formats have minor issues in eps (eps seems to have more problems outside of windows) and wmf (wmf is handled by a library managed by the document liberation team). Below are bugs i've reporter/commented on for the different formats. WMF https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79664 https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=80503 https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=80389 https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=77525 EPS https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80036 https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=70751 https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=81592 https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=71828 When it comes to svg, the svg insert library is quite good and constantly improving. When it comes to the svg open library that works in Draw, that one has quite alot of problems from the bug reports i've seen and i havent seen much work going into fixing those bugs. SVG Insert https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=78554 https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=82221 Regards, Jay Philips On 08/25/2014 07:02 PM, Robinson Tryon wrote: On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Robinson, I have updated the wiki with my finds for Linux and Windows. Thanks! (And thanks to Owen for providing additional information) Alex's Mac findings can be found at https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=79546 and pretty much can be summaries as videos can be inserted and a preview will display, but has no playback. So there's no video playback on OSX right now? How about audio -- same problem? Alex did a lot of great testing w/different file formats in bug 79546. I'm going to add that to the wiki in tabular form. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Media_Support If someone is interested in performing some cross-platform testing re: image support, it would be great to have that included on the wiki as well. Cheers, --R ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Suggestion for the use of pre-written responses
Hi All, I want to thank those who visited the wiki and contributed to it. I wanted to let everyone know that i have finished including all the ones that i use on a regular basis. :D Regards, Jay Philips On 08/20/2014 11:02 PM, Jay Philips wrote: Hi All, Yes similar to what joel stated, i'm just posting the ones i use on the wiki for others to use if they'd like and for those who have their own and would like to share them, that they'd have a centralized resource to post them to. I believe the wiki will also be a useful resource for new QA members to see what type of responses they are likely to have to respond with. I personally use my browser's (opera) inbuilt feature to save these responses and whiteboard keywords so i dont have to copy and paste them from a wiki page or text file. Hopefully something similar can be added into the new bugzilla for QA/dev team members can easily have access to as Bjoern suggested or until then, grabbing a browser extension which has a similar feature like JBF suggested. For all those chrome/chromium users, search the extension for clip or clipboard and there are quite a few of them listed there. Regards, Jay Philips On 08/20/2014 06:38 PM, Joel Madero wrote: Hey there, Jay, *, Not sure that codifying a bunch of approved QA exchanges is in the best interest of moving the QA process along--especially if we have to dig them out of a WiKi. It would not do much to improve the QA flow, nor improve the readability of issues over their life span. Otherwise, during triage we should all strive to be courteous. By itself, the automated message delivered *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug x *** is a bit too terse in closing a NEW issue as duplicate. But believe including a simple thank you for posting would suffice. If too many bugs like fdo#82701 are making it through, then the Bugzilla and BSA duplicate issue filters may need to be improved. I don't think he was trying to codify - maybe more just saying I'm posting these to the wiki - feel free to use (or not use) them at your pleasure :) I've thought of doing similar things with my auto responses but of course everyone can use their own methodology :) Best, Joel ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Suggestion for the use of pre-written responses
Hi All, Over the months of doing triaging, i've found that the best means of communicating with bug reporters is to have a set of pre-written responses to suit various common situations like confirming a bug, requesting a sample document, and asking for clear steps. These responses are very handy for the initial comment between me and the bug reporter, but do come in handy at other times as well, like requesting they reset their profile or send in a screencast. These responses have a simple and short format, similar to the below. -- Hello [user's name], Thank you for submitting the bug. I can confirm that the bug is available in 4.2.7, 4.3.2 and master on Linux. -- The primary message that i wanted to get across to the bug reporter is that we are welcoming and appreciate the effort they made in reporting the bug, as reporting a bug on BSA for the first time is a very length procedure. Then a few days ago, I got CCed on the comment from bug 76825 (comment 7) from an unhappy bug reporter whose bug was simply set as a duplicate without a response: -- don't ever bother dropping someone a mail or anything ... (like hi, thanks, we're already on it! - don't ever bother, really) cause we are machines or what ... or cogs in a big machine .) just go the beurocratic way, drop that person some cc :) it took me 15 minutes to report this bug ... i took it seriously, and i meant it ... but i'm sure i'll never do that again -- So i'd like to propose the creation a wiki page of pre-written responses that we can all use. I have created the wiki page at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugTriage/Pre-Written_Responses and will be adding entries to it, though i have very little knowledge of how best to format the page :D. Please add in your own collection of responses if you have. -- Regards, Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Suggestion for the use of pre-written responses
Hi All, Yes similar to what joel stated, i'm just posting the ones i use on the wiki for others to use if they'd like and for those who have their own and would like to share them, that they'd have a centralized resource to post them to. I believe the wiki will also be a useful resource for new QA members to see what type of responses they are likely to have to respond with. I personally use my browser's (opera) inbuilt feature to save these responses and whiteboard keywords so i dont have to copy and paste them from a wiki page or text file. Hopefully something similar can be added into the new bugzilla for QA/dev team members can easily have access to as Bjoern suggested or until then, grabbing a browser extension which has a similar feature like JBF suggested. For all those chrome/chromium users, search the extension for clip or clipboard and there are quite a few of them listed there. Regards, Jay Philips On 08/20/2014 06:38 PM, Joel Madero wrote: Hey there, Jay, *, Not sure that codifying a bunch of approved QA exchanges is in the best interest of moving the QA process along--especially if we have to dig them out of a WiKi. It would not do much to improve the QA flow, nor improve the readability of issues over their life span. Otherwise, during triage we should all strive to be courteous. By itself, the automated message delivered *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug x *** is a bit too terse in closing a NEW issue as duplicate. But believe including a simple thank you for posting would suffice. If too many bugs like fdo#82701 are making it through, then the Bugzilla and BSA duplicate issue filters may need to be improved. I don't think he was trying to codify - maybe more just saying I'm posting these to the wiki - feel free to use (or not use) them at your pleasure :) I've thought of doing similar things with my auto responses but of course everyone can use their own methodology :) Best, Joel ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bacchanaly around Bug 81041
Hi Urmas, I saw activity from you in bugzilla today, so i thought it was time to make amends. Firstly, i'd like to say that i didnt snitch on you to the moderator, a moderator saw our discussion and decided to do that himself. I've been instructed that the best means of settling differences between users is on the QA mailing list and not bugzilla. Regarding the bug, I was mistaken about it, which i have just mentioned in the bug. I wasnt aware that the change was intentional, neither was Cor Nouws, and i would have appreciated it if you would have taken the time to educated me as such with clear information, like asking me to check the 4.3 release notes. I was asked not to comment on your email at the time it was sent and i think that was the best course of action, so that any anger that was in the air could die down. I dont hold anything against you for the words you used against me in the email, as sometimes we say things in anger that shouldnt be said. And if you dont wish to apologize for it, that is fine. I'm here volunteering to help improve LibO and hope we can be nice to each other, as i like being part of the QA team, and hope they feel likewise. Regards, Jay Philips On 07/30/2014 09:38 PM, Urmas wrote: Interesting things happen in LO QA community. Instead of reading 4.3 release notes, as an adequate person would, Jay Philips in comment 15 starts being rude (and authoritative) to me, which I —knowing about the dreck open source generally attracts— can look over; but than he snitches me over to the moderator, which is unacceptable. Fistly, is that 'person' going to excuse itself?, Secondly, I would like to get an official response: is LO a project where the adequate and sane people work, and it is safe for normal people to interact with, or is it some Gnome-like community of 1½ faggots in a circle? Providing a reputation of LO as a commercial-grade professional software, I would like to receive some explanations about faggots and snitches in its public-faced parts being the QA community. Thanks. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Someone with Kubuntu / KDE
Hi All, Stumbled on this Kubuntu UI bug in calc and wondered if someone can have a look at it. It may also effect other KDE desktops. https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=82036 -- Regards, Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Another Round of Interoperability
Thanks for the workflow info. Regarding the second case, are there more problems opening or saving the RTF documents. Can you send me some sample second and third case files for me to do some testing on? Regards, Jay Philips On 08/05/2014 02:41 PM, Marina Latini wrote: - Messaggio originale - Da: Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com A: libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Inviato: Martedì, 5 agosto 2014 10:56:42 Oggetto: Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Another Round of Interoperability Hi Marina, About fdo#82067, i'm not a dev as well, but i think if the RTF opens in Word, Kingsoft Writer, and in the old RTF importer that libreoffice had in 3.3, then it should work now. Lets see what the devs think of it. :) ok :) You mentioned previously that Italy's Public Adminstrations uses rtf files for their workflow, is it just opening rtfs to convert them to odf or saving them also in rtf? the workflow is a little bit complicated. :( They use some third party softwares to generate the documents. These various softwares use rtf format as a template and through a mail merge produce the final rtf document with all the required fields. * First case: the software produces a doc file for editing and a pdf for storage. the users can edit the doc, send and store it. our doc filter works fine :) * Second case: the software produces a rtf file for editing and a pdf for storage. The user can edit the rtf and here we have a huge of interoperability problems. The versions of MS Office are heterogeneous and the final rtf files can be different. :( * Third case: the software uses a set of templates generated with MS Office. We have a lot of interoperability problems again :( * Fourth case: the software uses a set of handmade templates. We have interoperability problems but we can try to solve them ;) The biggest problems are related to the anchoring of the images and to tables or nested tables. In my speech in Bern I'll describe the Italian state of art. Best, Marina ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Another Round of Interoperability
Hi Marina, I have added all my recent non-fixed RTF bugs to the meta bug and will add my older list as well shortly. Thanks for confirming the bugs. :) Regards, Jay Philips On 08/04/2014 01:18 PM, Marina Latini wrote: - Messaggio originale - Da: Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com A: LibreOffice-QA libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org, suokunlong suokunl...@gmail.com Inviato: Sabato, 2 agosto 2014 4:11:06 Oggetto: [Libreoffice-qa] Another Round of Interoperability Hi All, Hi Jay, All I'm assuming these bugs shouldnt take more than a minute or two to confirm and presently there are 11 bugs. Here is a quick link to them for those with spare time to kill. :) http://bit.ly/jay4_3bugs nice job! :) I'm confirming your bug list... ;) JFYI, there's a metabug (fdo#81234) for filter:rtf or rtf_filter ;) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81234 Have a nice day, Marina -- Regards, Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Heading 3 and 4 in grey
Hi All, An individual has opened two bugs regarding 4.2's change of heading 3 and 4 to gray from black. Sophie closed the first one and the user is still adamant about this issue and has posed the following questions in the second bug. Who introduced the new default style? What reasons had they to change? Have users been asked whether they approve of it? Or is there a small group of people who like to change things on a whim? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82041 -- Regards, Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Another Round of Interoperability
Hi All, Just wanted to give everyone a heads up that i'm doing another round of extensive interoperability now that 4.3 has been released and am sending in a few bugs in per day, rather than alot at a single time. This also give me time to compare any new bugs that have been added into the 4.3 branch and verify previous fixes. I'm keeping the bug reports as short and simple as possible, with quick easy steps (i know this will make someone really happy :D), mainly just involving the opening of a file and comparing it with a screenshot. I'm assuming these bugs shouldnt take more than a minute or two to confirm and presently there are 11 bugs. Here is a quick link to them for those with spare time to kill. :) http://bit.ly/jay4_3bugs -- Regards, Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Toolbar Proposal Completed
On 07/31/2014 02:28 PM, Gerry T. wrote: Hi Jay, hi all, Hi Gerry, First, I like the grouping of icons. I think it is a good idea that everything is accessible and the interface clean. However, I understand the criticism that some people may not find their buttons anymore. Hence, it would be perfect, if there is a super-simple method to permanently add buttons out of a group to the toolbar. The best method would be if the icon from the group can be simply put there by dragdrop. Then the user has his/her preferred icon again on the toolbar. Such an easy mechanism will save lots of headaches on all sides. The grouping of buttons would be a new button and wouldnt replace existing buttons that aren't grouped, so that users wanting to use the non-grouped buttons, will still be able to. :) There are two icons, I would definitively not remove from the default set. Please don't remove: * New file icon which currently is on the top left side of the toolbar. I have seen lots of people using it and it shows the excellent integration of all office components (which is a big plus compared to MS Office!). People will be very confused if they do not easily find their way of starting a new document. Think of the confusion about the backstage-flower in MS Office 2007. People had been revolting that they did not find new, open, save and print. I think the 'new file' button has benefits, but the stats show the button is the least used button in the standard toolbar. Why i think that is the case is that when writer is opened, it starts with a new file, so there isnt a need at this moment for a user to create a new one. This is the same behaviour you find in most applications like for example gedit, audacity, bluefish, glade, openshot, etc. Also the statistics showed that the majority of users (over 80%) used the shortcut key to create a new file, as it is a universal shortcut to create a new file in any application. When users use the shortcut key, they are creating a new file of the current application that is running, as most users think that writer is a different application that calc, so the new file drop down list isnt as used as we'd hope. The hiding of the icon from the toolbar, does not remove the functionality in the file menu, which a number of users are using, even though the button is there in the toolbar (MS Office has no menus). * Styles and formatting currently on the second row left side of the toolbar. If statistically people are not using this button enough, it is a matter to promote this button more, as the reliance on styles is LibreOffice's big strength. (taken from the OSBA-funding site, additionally chart styles and object styles are in development. Table styles in Writer and Calc are still missing, though). Similar to the 'new file' button, the 'styles and formatting' button is the least used button in the formatting toolbar. The button itself doesnt need to be promoted, but the usage of styles does, which is why we have the styles drop down list. Users dont need to open the styles window in order to apply styles. You also have access to the styles window through the 'more' entry in the drop down list. The stats do show that ~70% of users activate the styles window using the shortcut key (40%) and menu bar item (30%). A general question: How does the toolbar proposal integrate with the new sidebar? The toolbar proposal doesnt effect the sidebar because you will have users who will prefer toolbars and others who will prefer the sidebar once it does mature enough to replace all the features found in the toolbars. Best greetings, Gerry Thanks for commenting on these issues, but i think most of the answers here are answered in the bug report proposal https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=81475 , which i hope you'll get time to read through. Kind Regards, Jay ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Toolbar Proposal Completed
Hi Joel, Well the UX team is already CCed in the bug report and i guess they will get around to it whenever they do, which i assume will take a while. Have my fingers crossed that some portions of the proposal lands in master or the release after that. Definitely think it will help differentiate LO's look from OOo/AOO. But I was mainly just sharing my work with the QA team, as it was a happy occasion for me that i was able to complete it, as this is the team i'm with and welcomed their constructive criticism of it. :D Regards, Jay Philips On 07/30/2014 12:36 AM, Joel Madero wrote: A big +1 to everything Jay wrote. Change in of itself will cause angst for some users but that is the nature of our project. With the tremendous amount of statistics backing Jay's proposal, I give a thumbs up. That being said - why isn't UX included in on this discussion? This isn't really a QA issue at all ;) Best, Joel On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com mailto:philip...@hotmail.com wrote: On 07/27/2014 12:06 PM, Tommy wrote: On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 00:22:18 +0200, Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com mailto:philip...@hotmail.com wrote: experienced UI users would not take any benefit from a change since they will keep using their custom preset The advantage would be that they would have less buttons to add/remove from the toolbars than they usually do, as your toolbar screenshot showed. :) unexperienced user who never customized the toolbar could be disoriented by the new setup, thinking some buttons have been removed Well change isnt a bad thing if it makes things better for users, which is why we have new features added to libreoffice on each release. Unexperienced users who never use buttons like data sources or navigator, would benefit from buttons like insert image and insert footnote. The toolbars havent been update in 9 years and with statistics on how often users use the toolbar buttons, there are benefits to revamping the toolbars. And with everyone taking notice of the new toolbars, they will look at it with a new set of eyes to see what new functionality has been brought to it. And when users dont find the necessary buttons in the toolbar, they go through the menus looking for the functionality. if they never customized it before why should they do it after you change the default set? The text you quoted doesnt correspond to your reply. The text you quoted relates to the current toolbar and when users dont find a suitable button in it, they go to the menu to get the functionality they need. Regarding your reply, users who never changed their toolbar would likely not change the new set, but they have the ability to change it if they choose, just like they currently have with the current set. You have stated previously, I think it's up to the user to decide which button he needs and which he doesn't. and this choice isnt being taken from the user with the new set. prepare to see useless bug reports about button is missing (which is not) etc. etc. Of course a number of users will complain about any change that is made, this always happens. I had a bug report that a keyboard user was no longer able to navigate the Character dialog as he used to with a previous version [bug 80612]: ... but what I used to be able to do doesn't work anymore, namely press Tab three times to get to Effects and then press down to get to small caps: that window doesn't get focus. With the ability for them to customize the toolbars, they can revert the changes they wish to revert. Ultimately, you cant please everyone but the changes are being made to benefit the majority of users. There must have been people who complained when the toolbars were last changed when OOo 2.0 was released. You even have users who prefer toolbars and menus over the ribbon UI, which is why you have addons that bring back this functionality. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org mailto:Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com mailto:jmadero@gmail.com ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Toolbar Proposal Completed
On 07/27/2014 12:06 PM, Tommy wrote: On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 00:22:18 +0200, Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com wrote: experienced UI users would not take any benefit from a change since they will keep using their custom preset The advantage would be that they would have less buttons to add/remove from the toolbars than they usually do, as your toolbar screenshot showed. :) unexperienced user who never customized the toolbar could be disoriented by the new setup, thinking some buttons have been removed Well change isnt a bad thing if it makes things better for users, which is why we have new features added to libreoffice on each release. Unexperienced users who never use buttons like data sources or navigator, would benefit from buttons like insert image and insert footnote. The toolbars havent been update in 9 years and with statistics on how often users use the toolbar buttons, there are benefits to revamping the toolbars. And with everyone taking notice of the new toolbars, they will look at it with a new set of eyes to see what new functionality has been brought to it. And when users dont find the necessary buttons in the toolbar, they go through the menus looking for the functionality. if they never customized it before why should they do it after you change the default set? The text you quoted doesnt correspond to your reply. The text you quoted relates to the current toolbar and when users dont find a suitable button in it, they go to the menu to get the functionality they need. Regarding your reply, users who never changed their toolbar would likely not change the new set, but they have the ability to change it if they choose, just like they currently have with the current set. You have stated previously, I think it's up to the user to decide which button he needs and which he doesn't. and this choice isnt being taken from the user with the new set. prepare to see useless bug reports about button is missing (which is not) etc. etc. Of course a number of users will complain about any change that is made, this always happens. I had a bug report that a keyboard user was no longer able to navigate the Character dialog as he used to with a previous version [bug 80612]: ... but what I used to be able to do doesn't work anymore, namely press Tab three times to get to Effects and then press down to get to small caps: that window doesn't get focus. With the ability for them to customize the toolbars, they can revert the changes they wish to revert. Ultimately, you cant please everyone but the changes are being made to benefit the majority of users. There must have been people who complained when the toolbars were last changed when OOo 2.0 was released. You even have users who prefer toolbars and menus over the ribbon UI, which is why you have addons that bring back this functionality. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Toolbar Proposal Completed
Hi All, I guess i should have been clearer with my initial email. :) The purpose of my toolbar proposal is to provide most users a good set of default toolbar buttons, as most users dont customize their toolbar. And when users dont find the necessary buttons in the toolbar, they go through the menus looking for the functionality. My use of the word 'remove' means that it should not be shown by default, not that it be wiped away. I would never suggest that users who didnt like the UI arent able to return the buttons that they preferred to have. Detailed reasoning of every button that i have suggested their removal/hiding or addition can be found in fdo#81475 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475 , along with statistics on their toolbar usage. Would love to hear feedback from those who have read the proposal, as of course the images werent able to fully explain it all. Thanks Tommy for your customized toolbar, as it has many of the buttons i have suggested. It also has a suggestion that wasnt included in the proposal images, removal of the cut/copy/paste buttons. :) Would love to see customized toolbars from any others in the team, if you dont mind sharing them. :) Regards, Jay Philips On 07/26/2014 08:26 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote: Jay forgot to add it, but his work up on this is an active BZ issue-- fdo#81475 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475 . More on the proposal is detailed there. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-Toolbar-Proposal-Completed-tp4116760p4116825.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Toolbar Proposal Completed
Hi Jochen, Tried to get access to the file but all i get is stupid ads. If you could upload it to imgur.com, that would be great. Regards, Jay Philips On 07/27/2014 02:45 AM, Jochen Schiffers wrote: Hi Jay, Am 27.07.2014 00:22, schrieb Jay Philips: Would love to see customized toolbars from any others in the team snip see www.file-upload.net/download-9277728/toolbar_Jochen_german.png.html Regards Jochen (German) ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] MAB suitable
Hi All, I stumbled on 2 bugs i confirmed quite a while back and wanted someone to check them to see if they are MAB suitable. https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=80715 https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=79422 -- Regards, Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Toolbar Proposal Completed
Hi All, As i have just completed the toolbar proposal that i've been working heavily on since the beginning of this month, i wanted to share with you all images of how it has turned out. Image 1: Removal of less used buttons https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=103115 Image 2: Grouping similar items together https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=103175 Image 3: Addition of buttons of highly used features https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=103420 Image 4: Final mockup with alternative https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=103484 It is now in the hands of the UX team to comment on. For those that would like to read more about it, check bug 81475. Hopefully you guys can benefit from these findings by customizing your toolbars for QA work. :) -- Regards, Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Second Opinion Needed
Hi Joel, All, This issue has bugged me for a while in both gedit and libreoffice, especially as i have autosave running every minute. But the benefits it has brought have over weighed the negatives in the last week or so, as i've been working in calc on stats for my toolbar proposal [bug 81475] and calc has crashed pretty much everyday on general stuff like undo, sorting, pasting, editing a cell, etc. Unfortunately, most of these are not reproducible, so i havent been able to submit bug reports. So i've gotten use to pressing backspace when keys that i've typed have not been entered because its autosaving. If i could suggest how this could be impoved, i would suggest that after the autosave time has run out, LibO waits for the user to stop typing (e.g. user hasnt pressed a key in 1 or 2 seconds) and then autosave. Of course if the user hasnt stopped typing in 10% of the autosave time, it should autosave anyway. Just another 2 cents. Regards, Jay Philips On 07/22/2014 08:19 AM, Joel Madero wrote: I have closed this bug twice as NOTABUG but the user does not agree so requesting second opinion: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81627 Thanks Best, Joel ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Anybody got a printer and an envelope
Hi Christian, *, With bug 77277, the user has stated that it prints fine with AOO but not with LO, so i'm assuming its not the driver. :) Regards, Jay Philips On 07/16/2014 12:32 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Hi Jay, *, Am 14.07.2014 05:08 schrieb Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com mailto:philip...@hotmail.com: Users trying to print '#10 envelope' on any printer (Brother [77277], Epson [75449], Canon [52926], etc [64966]) are having problems, This might be related to not having the proper printer driver installed, but only the basic windows provided one. Then you get all sorts of funny problems that basically boil down to not being able to use/select envelope sized paper in the printer options (not to mention other printer features, but that them is unrelated to the problem). So please make the reporters check whether they can select envelope paper size in the printer options. If not, the alignment will be wrong... If they only have very basic options available, tell them to install the driver from the vendor's website. Ciao Christian ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Whiteboard Consistency
Hi Miklos, I mis-wrote in my last email, as i only do writer bug triaging, so luckily ww8 hasnt been used to mislead anyone. :) Regards, Jay Philips On 07/14/2014 12:44 PM, Miklos Vajna wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 01:58:56AM +0400, Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com wrote: I have been using ww8 to cover all the doc/xls/etc. as i saw Stahl use it in one of his comments. I saw Joren using odf, so i've been using that sometimes. I dont see much benefit in breaking odf down into individual odf extensions as we can already limit queries by application. WW8 is just WinWord 8, i.e. what Microsoft calls [MS-DOC], using ww8 to refer to xls/ppt is misleading. Maybe just use the extension for all the cases? That's easy to understand for everyone, unlike WW8, OOXML, ODF, and others. BTW, Joel: I have no problem with whiteboard renames, though if you could please: 1) Send a mail to this list when you did rename them and 2) Do it with a script, so for the casual developer the rename is more or less atomic That would be excellent and make our lives much easier. :-) ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Anybody got a printer and an envelope
Hi Marc, Thanks for looking into it, but unfortunately you need to check the print dialog to confirm it. :) Regards, Jay Philips On 07/14/2014 05:51 PM, Marc Paré wrote: Hi Jay, Le 2014-07-13 23:08, Jay Philips a écrit : Hi All, Users trying to print '#10 envelope' on any printer (Brother [77277], Epson [75449], Canon [52926], etc [64966]) are having problems, so if anybody can test this out, we can close these 4 bugs. The user in bug 77277 has stated that it works correctly in AOO 4.1, so whomever tests it, please do test against it as well. One commenter has stated the behaviour is there going back to 3.5. It would be good to import the AOO code into LibO, if it is fixed there. Anyone with a printer can also check out bug 75803, which is about problems printing in portrait mode. Done and posted. Seems to work on my setup. Marc ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [tdf-discuss] Intervention
Hi All, I have found that asking for a document is the best way to get closest to what the user is experiencing and what they are writing the bug for. If they report the bug on windows, i load up windows to confirm it and then also check if its on linux as well. Sometimes the steps to reproduce are easy enough to follow, but not every one of us are experts in the bugs we triage, so having an example file to begin the process of triaging saves quite alot of time. Users i've been dealing with have been quite happy to provide an example file, while a very few have asked that the file be kept confidential. Here is an example bug with steps to reproduce i triaged today [81292]. Problem description: I have a table first column alpha-numeric,crashes when sorting is ask. Steps to reproduce: 1. Load table, 2. select table 3. sort Current behavior: crash Expected behavior: alpha-numeric sorting From this example, should i waste time that i could be spending triaging other bugs to create a table full of values in order to sort the table. It could be possible that some small feature within the table he is sorting is causing the crash, that i could never reproduce because i dont have his file. In the user's most recent comment, he states that if he deletes the text from the last column, it wont crash. No way i could reproduce such a thing if i created an example file myself. I just submitted a bug today [81351] that crashes calc from as early as 3.6, simply by undo-ing a sort. It is possible that this may not have happened with another file, so i submitted the one i was working on, in order to speed up triaging and hopefully fixing. We have ~1k bugs to still triage and the quicker we are able to triage a bug, the faster we can confirm/close it and move on to the next one. Just my two cents. ;) Regards, Jay Philips On 07/15/2014 01:48 AM, bfoman wrote: Hi! From my experience asking for an example file is the best way to triage for following reasons: - saves time - you can download the attachment and check it in different builds right away - important with current backlog in Unconfirmed bugs - reproducible case - sometimes when you follow the STRs and create document from scratch the bug can be gone. Users' files can have their history - be created in different build, envs, corrupted etc. So asking for a file is a best way to receive verified test case. - involve the reporter - some people tend to use Bugzilla as file and forget system. Needinfo stats tell a story... Bug reports with attachments are more interesting than those without them. Some reporters do even screencasts or special STR graphics to help the triagers. IMHO there is no need to panic that most triagers ask for them. Overall I think this is a good policy and reporters should be educated how good bug report should look like. If a reporter cannot spend few minutes to attach a file or make a confidential one into a public document (by search and replace strings - if that makes bug still reproducible), then how can he demand a fix? This cannot be made without a reproducible test case. BTW: Mr Manciot is active in Wireshark Bugzilla, so should be accustomed that good bug report needs attachment. LO needs users' files as much as Wireshark example frame captures... Best regards. P.S. As for bugs closed as Invalid or Worksforme - there are defined QA documents which describe how this process should look like. See https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugTriage or https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugReport. Most triagers respect them, but those rules are, well, more guidance than a strict policy. LibreOffice is powered by a team of volunteers, every bug is confirmed (triaged) by human beings who mostly give their time for free. Some people see things from different perspective and don't like to babysit stagnant issues. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Re-tdf-discuss-Intervention-tp4115537p4115583.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice
[Libreoffice-qa] Updated Builds
Hi All, I normally update my daily builds of 4.2, 4.3 and master once a week, but unfortunately they havent been updated since the 8th or 9th for Linux-rpm_deb-x86@45-TDF. Any help would be appreciated. -- Regards, Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Whiteboard Consistency
Hi Joel all, I have been using ww8 to cover all the doc/xls/etc. as i saw Stahl use it in one of his comments. I saw Joren using odf, so i've been using that sometimes. I dont see much benefit in breaking odf down into individual odf extensions as we can already limit queries by application. Regards, Jay Philips On 07/13/2014 09:09 PM, Joel Madero wrote: Hi All, Including dev list on this because I know developers are using the whiteboard status' to do queries so I wanted to give you all the chance to voice opinions. Currently we are not consistent with whiteboard status' and I'd like to update these so that we are. There are two blaring examples: 1. Capitals - we use CamelCase when there is more than one word but when there is one (ex. bibisected) it's in lower case. Not a huge deal but if there are no objections, I'd like to move forward with just using capitals to start a word (ex. Bibisected, Interoperability) - I don't think this will screw up searches on FDO. I won't be going back to fix all the old ones (at least not yet) but moving forward consistency is nice. 2. Filters - currently we're not terribly consistent here. I'd like to propose that everything move to Filter:XXX, this would replace rtf_filter for instance with Filter:rtf. I'd also like to do this for groups of filters (ex. Filters:ooxml). This way we can just have Filter:doc or Filter:ooxml or Filter:odt, or Filter:html. --Is there a similar filter that covers all of the doc/xls/etc...? Thoughts appreciated. I'll update the wiki when I get enough feedback to feel comfortable doing so :) Best, Joel ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Whiteboard Keyword - interoperability
Hi All, Hope everyone is well. Well i've been adding the whiteboard keyword 'interoperability' to bug reports that relate to files that are not the native odf format, like html, wpd, rtf, doc, docx, etc. Is this correct or should it only be limited to MSO formats like doc, docx, and rtf. -- Regards, Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Request for assistance with bibliography, index, and mail merge writer bugs
Hi All, Sorry to bother you all again, but bibliography, index and mail merge bugs are above my level, so i'd appreciate any assistants putting them to bed. - bibliography - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76967 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80753 - mail merge - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80810 - index - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73573 I'm happy to report that there are less than 50 unconfirmed writer bugs from jan 1st that have less than 6 comments and are not enhancement requests. -- Regards, Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] New Whiteboard Status - NeedQAAdvice
Hi Joel All, Thanks for the announcement in the list of my whiteboard suggestion. In my limited period in QA, i've mainly come across bugs that i've finished triaging but dont feel comfortable closing without a mentors second opinion. Other times, i've finished triaging and the bug reporter believes libreoffice should do something different than whats its doing and i cant judge if i agree with him or not, so i've wanted a mentors second opinion. Maybe we need another whiteboard called NeedQASecondOpinion. :) Regards, Jay Philips On 07/09/2014 10:46 PM, Joel Madero wrote: Hi All, Jay asked about this new status to parallel the NeedAdvice which is a call for developers to get involved. I went ahead and said +1 so it's added to the whiteboard wiki: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Fields/Whiteboard/Advanced So my advice is for experienced QA members (feel free to self categorize yourself ;) ) to keep a lookout for these. For new QA members - feel free to use this (although try to use it sparingly ;)) if you just really aren't sure about where an UNCONFIRMED bug belongs. Thanks! Best, Joel ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 4.3.0 new features and communication
Hi Joel, All, I dont see anything from the 4.3 mabs that stands out to me on why it should be released, except for maybe the high contrast icons in the control center. :) Regards, Jay Philips On 07/01/2014 06:57 PM, Joel Madero wrote: On 07/01/2014 06:27 AM, Sophie wrote: Hi Joel, Robinson, In order to prepare the communication on the 4.3.0 release, is there some areas that are not stable enough, or where some bugs remain problematics and should be known by the marketing team? Monitoring the MAB didn't give me this impression, but I prefer to have your opinion :) As far as I know there are none. I'll poke bugzilla tonight to see what I can find out. Jay might have some feedback here also (Jay thoughts? Any bugs that indicate that there is an area of 4.3 that is not stable enough or bugs so problematic that we need marketing involved?). Thanks Sophie for tackling this :) Best, Joel ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Rewritten backtrace with WinDbg
Hi All, After going through many pains to understand how to get backtracing done through WinDbg, even after reading the wiki and watching the video, I have rewritten the introduction, first time setup and debugging sections of the wiki page. I'm currently adding images to the wiki to make it a bit more visual for the step by step process. It would be great for those familiar with the process to have a quick read over it. For those that havent done it before and have Windows, it would be good for them to give it a try to make sure the process is easily understandable, as we are suggesting our users to go through the same process. :) https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/How_to_get_a_backtrace_with_WinDbg -- Regards, Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] LibO common bugs/issues
Hi All, After commenting on over 300 bugs in the last month, i have noticed a number of duplicated bugs that i plan to write up a wiki page for, so it will be easy for us to point users to who submit reports that are already known. Of course it will never replace AskLibo.com, but aleast its something us QA guys can add to, to make our jobs alittle easier, and also a resource new QA members can see to know what common bugs are already known. My initial work is at https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6qJrVIa0SAldzF2RGZwaXFZOE0/edit?usp=sharing and if anyone wants to assist with this do let me know. Your comments are also welcome. :) -- Regards, Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibO common bugs/issues
Hi bfoman, Yes joren already gave me the duplicates link, which i plan to use to add stuff that i havent come across so far in my triaging work. Using the duplicates link on the wiki page wouldnt be a beneficial resource to point users to who had such issues, as it would require them to do alot of reading, and the point of the wiki page is to provide summaries and possible solutions. Regards, Jay Philips On 06/30/2014 12:08 AM, bfoman wrote: jphilipz wrote Hi All, After commenting on over 300 bugs in the last month, i have noticed a number of duplicated bugs that i plan to write up a wiki page for, so it will be easy for us to point users to who submit reports that are already known. Of course it will never replace AskLibo.com, but aleast Hi! I would suggest using Bugzilla build-in duplicates feature instead for such wiki page to have realtime queries. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/duplicates.cgi?product=LibreOffice. Best regards. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-LibO-common-bugs-issues-tp4114035p4114056.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Is there someone who knows mail merge well
Hi All, I have never been able to wrap my mind around doing mail merge but know what its purpose is, but i have come across these bugs that i'd prefer leaving to someone who knows about it. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76707 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77241 - below one i tried and would like someone to make sure i'm correct - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78611 -- Regards, Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] No New Builds
Hi All, Just noticed that 4.2 and 4.3 havent gotten new builds since the 23rd. -- Regards, Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] No New Builds
Yes its the linux 45, as thats the main one i test on. Regards, Jay Philips On 06/29/2014 09:11 AM, Tommy wrote: On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 05:20:52 +0200, Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi All, Just noticed that 4.2 and 4.3 havent gotten new builds since the 23rd. it seems to me that the issue is limited to Linux TB 45 which has last build available from 23rd. other TB are up to date http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/libreoffice-4-2/ http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/libreoffice-4-3/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Are there any germans in the house
Hi All, I was going through bug 80220 and not able to reproduce it with the instructions provided bug the reporter mentions it effect writing english documents in a german system environment/localization. If someone could look at it, that would be great, as its the only unconfirmed bug left in writer since the 1st of may. -- Regards, Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Anyone with Windows Vista
Hi All, I have already triaged this bug that seems to only effect Windows Vista, so if anyones has it, please have a look. Its a simple test of whether local help will open when running from a standard user account. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60181 -- Regards, Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LIbreOffice 4.2.5 RC2 available
Hi Tommy, I assume 4.2 cant become stable until 4.3 becomes fresh. :) Regards, Jay Philips On 06/21/2014 11:32 AM, Tommy wrote: On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 23:12:51 +0200, Christian Lohmaier lohma...@googlemail.com wrote: Dear Community, The Document Foundation is pleased to announce the second release candidate of LibreOffice 4.2.5. The upcoming 4.2.5 will be the fifth in a sequence of frequent bugfix releases for our feature-packed 4.2 line. Feel free to give it a try instead of 4.2.4. ... hi, I see this on the TDF blog: http://blog.documentfoundation.org/ June 20, 2014 LibreOffice 4.2.5 hits the marketplace Filed under: Announcements, LibreOffice — italovignoli @ 11:25 Berlin, June 20, 2014 – The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 4.2.5 “Fresh”, the fifth minor release of the most feature rich version of the software, ready for enterprise deployments. For more conservative users, The Document Foundation suggests LibreOffice 4.1.6 “Stable”. etc. etc. I thought that the 4.2.5 would be considered the new stable release while I see the 4.1.6 is still considered stable and 4.2.5 is still the fresh one will 4.2.6 be finally considered stable ? correct me if I'm wrong but the 4.1.x branch started being labeled as stable from .5 release, while 4.2.x still is in the fresh category ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Pushing 4.2.4 into Ubuntu Update Repo
Hi Bjoern, I would like to suggest the addition of 4.2.4.2 into the ubuntu's trusty-updates repo as the 'Read Error' DOCX bug (fdo#77478) is still present in 4.2.3.3, which ships with Ubuntu 14.04. I assume many ubuntu and ubuntu-derivative users are going to be repeatedly submitting this same bug as time goes by, as its a major dataloss interoperability issue, as i've just encountered two such duplicates today. -- Regards, Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Spanish Spell Checking Freezes LibO
Hi All, I have been going through bug report 80042, where the user says that after 3 or 4 words being spellchecked in spanish, LibO freezes. The user has tested it on various computers (likely all windows) and with different version of LibO. I have asked the user to also check if it also happens in english. If anyone from the spanish team can look into this, it would be great. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80042 -- Regards, Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 71 Unconfirmed Crashers
Hi Joel and everyone, Just to let you all know, i had completed all the writer entries since last week, so the 4 current entries under 'WriterCrasher' arent crash related, and a few of them that i did in the list weren't crashers. Regards, Jay Philips On 06/15/2014 10:02 PM, Joel Madero wrote: Hi All, There are currently 71 bugs that have something about crashing in the title. If we could tackle these it would be great. For useful links see: Organized by OS: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugTriage#Table_By_Platform_.28OS.29 Organized by Component: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugTriage#Table_By_Component Remember that crashers deserve to at least by at Major - High, if the bug will likely affect many many users mark as critical - high and of course if appropriate Highest and add to MAB list. Thanks for the hard work everyone. Best, Joel ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Anybody with KDE
Hi Robert, Thanks. :) Regards, Jay Philips On 06/11/2014 08:46 AM, Robert Großkopf wrote: Hi Jay, Have a bug report that i cant confirm on Linux Mint and the user says they are running Fedora 20 KDE, so i'm assuming it maybe KDE related, so if you anyone has KDE, can you check it out. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76347 Have tried it with OpenSUSE 12.3 64bit rpm and KDE 4.10. Couldn't confirm the buggy behavior. Regards Robert ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] WinDBG crashing for user wishing to send in crash report
Hi All, There is a bug report that i've been working on and unfortunately i'm unable to reproduce the crash, so the bug reporter has gotten WinDBG installed and he says it crashes on him and has sent in the microsoft crash reports for it. So if someone has WindDBG experience can assist, that would be great. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76636 -- Regards, Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LIbreOffice 4.3.0 Beta2 available
Hi All, I went through the same issue last week and noticed that installing in parallel outputted a folder called 'installation-folder\Win\System\' which contained the MSVC runtime files in it, so i simply copied them into the C:\Windows\System32\ folder and all went well. :) Regards, Jay Philips On 06/06/2014 07:20 PM, Robinson Tryon wrote: On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Andras Timar ti...@fsf.hu wrote: If you do parallel install, then you have to install MSVC runtime on your own. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=30679 Andras -- is the MSVC step documented in the documentation on the wiki? https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel#Windows (If the docs appear to be out of date, could you please update them?) Thanks, --R ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Backtrace on Linux
Hi Rob, Yes i installed a TDF build to /opt/. Regards, Jay Philips On 06/06/2014 07:49 AM, Robinson Tryon wrote: On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi All, I submitted my first windows and linux backtraces today to fdo#79569, and would love feedback on it so i know i've done it right. On the linux site, i noticed that when i run 'soffice --backtrace', one of the lines that it outputs is Reading symbols from /opt/libreoffice4.2/program/soffice.bin...(no debugging symbols found)...done. which makes me think i'm missing something. So are all linux installations from the .tar.gz files found on the website and in the daily builds, debug enabled? I believe that all of our regular tarballs are unstripped, yes. Did you install a TDF build to /opt, or is that a distro-supplied build? Cheers, --R --- Robinson Tryon LibreOffice Community Outreach Herald Senior QA Bug Wrangler The Document Foundation qu...@libreoffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Backtrace on Linux
Hi Christian, So that means it not possible to debug on linux unless its master, which is a 1gb download, or else me compiling an official release with --enable-debug. If so, then i think the instructions on the backtrace debugging on linux on the wiki may need to be modified https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugReport/Debug_Information#GNU.2FLinux:_How_to_get_a_backtrace Regards, Jay Philips On 06/06/2014 03:14 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Hi Jay, *, On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 12:36 AM, Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com wrote: So are all linux installations from the .tar.gz files found on the website and in the daily builds, debug enabled? Release builds don't have debug stuff enabled/don't come with symbol information. There's a tinderbox that creates a build with --enable-debug switch (which is more than only enabling symbols, mentioned for completeness' sake) build did fail for a while, but now it succeeds - due to the size of the builds, it is only provided in one variant (a plain tarball), and not as rpm and deb packages: http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/Linux-rpm_deb-x86@45-TDF-dbg/current/ ciao Christian ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Anyone with a scanner
Hi All, Came across a bug report https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=79483 which i cant triage as i dont have a scanner. :) User claiming that he's unable to exit the scan dialog after finishing the scan. -- Regards, Jay Philips ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] New Whiteboard Statuses
Hi Joren, Looking over keywords, you are correct that it has 'have-backtrace', it even has 'want-backtrace', and it also has keywords that arent that useful in the keyword field like bibisected (used in WhiteBoard), NEEDINFO (used in status), and notourbug (used in status). Regards, Jay Philips On 06/05/2014 04:36 PM, Joren DC wrote: Hi, Jay Philips schreef op 5/06/2014 4:45: I think it might be a good idea to include the following whiteboard keywords - HasDebug or HasBacktrace HasStrace - When the bug reporter or commenter has included the backtrace or strace output, so devs can easily see this list I didn't invent it, but we have a keyword with 'have-backtrace' for this purpose. Kind regards, Joren ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
