See the cake example.
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Chloe Hoffman wrote:
In the U.S. at least, building a house from a blueprint is creating a
copy of an architectural work
Oops, put my foot in it. No dog biscuit!
- see the definition of an "architectural
work" in s. 101 of the U.S. Copyright Act and other limitations in s.
120.
Well,
es "SWI OR CONTRIBUTORS" to "SWI OR ITS CONTRIBUTORS"
Editorial changes, should be no problem.
Disclaimer: IANAOSIBoardMember.
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Russell Nelson scripsit:
Please review the APSL 1.2. It's at http://www.opensource.apple.com/apsl/ .
Looks open-source to me. As is well known, IANAL.
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is that OSD #7 cannot be
sensibly construed as a criterion that a requirement-to-pay be waived
for users to whom the software is redistributed, *without* also
implying the waiver of other kinds of requirements, such as GNU
GPL-style "viral" requirements.
I agree.
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understood that AL 1.1 was an *old* BSD license, with the
advertising clause, as appears from the apache.org web site.
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the GPL. (It is settled that the copy of a program
that you make in loading it from disk to memory *is* a copy, and
must be explicitly or implicitly licensed by the copyright owner.)
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asn't been formulated by me in any way.
It looks like a close variant of the IBM/Common Public License.
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in a tangible
medium such as paper, canvas, stone, or a hard disk.
The date is not required, but makes the way of
the infringer hard -- he cannot claim that he
didn't know the work was still in copyright.
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NAFL), the copyright as such cannot be
transferred, but the *droit d'exploitation* may be,
which has the same effect.
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. Whether
you consider your contributor to be a co-author is a matter of taste,
and probably should depend on how substantial the contribution is.
Ya done good, kid.
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e* you hold
monopoly power is.
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e absolutely right, and "may not" should be changed to
"must not" everywhere.
As evidence that "may not" means "must not" in this document, however,
consider clause 6. The second sentence purports to be an example of
the general principle given in the first
ng
party (in the ATT public license, e.g.) are void because
against public policy.
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, as they new that it was not full-scale commercial stuff.
Probably won't work, because the commercial stuff is just the same.
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-- Calpurnia in _To Kill A Mockingbird_, Harper Lee
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s like you are debarred from doing so,
because that would be "modifying the terms applicable to Original
Code". OTOH, I suspect that the clause is nugatory against you.
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since the book was issued?"
According to the judge: not enough.
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't object".
How is it clear?
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y comments on the program,
or uses at most fair-use excerpts from it, like the Linux kernel book.
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, of course, since people usually add
at least one module of their own when creating a program; programs built
*entirely* out of existing parts, without even any glue, are probably rare.
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y thinking of _Linux Programming White Papers_, which clearly
makes fair use of the kernel source. I think if Maxwell's commentary
were inline, there wouldn't be any question that the result was a
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no more
to documentation.
It is commonplace for parts of a GPLed software package to be released under
newBSD/MIT.
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ensed component
from a GPL-licensed work and use it in derivative works under the
BSD
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the same thing with the same modules and license it under a different
license.
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, since each can be used independently of the other
I would argue that that is just aggregation.
Right. But a GPLed program in a book with commentary produces
a GPLed book.
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be changed in synchrony with the software.
What you have here looks like a close variant of new-BSD.
If you are releasing the software under new-BSD, then use new-BSD as
the documentation license as well.
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On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, SamBC wrote:
- Original Message -
From: "John Cowan" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IMHO it makes sense to release a manual under the same license
as the software, so that it can be changed in synchrony with the
software.
What you have here looks like a clo
might as well argue that because MS-DOS (not Windows) has no
shared library system, that the inability of typical open-source
libraries to run on MS-DOS is a violation.
For that matter, you might as well argue that because most toasters
can't run software, that that's a license trap too.
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n N of the LGPL does not apply
to the library.
But I think the GPL + "you can link this with any program without infecting
that program with the GPL" will serve you better, because it is simpler
and clearer.
The LGPL isn't all it's cracked up to be.
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icable copyright law, consequently ...
Hence, the license may control uses that would otherwise be deemed fair uses
under the default rules of copyright.
... I deny this, since open-source licenses may not control use at all.
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On Sat, 28 Oct 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
Do programs compiled with a GNU compiler have to be open
source?
Absolutely not.
Thanks,
Nathan
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copyright to an unincorporated association of legally
random persons. The FSF, at least, is a not-for-profit but perfectly
real fictive person who can hold copyright for us.
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.
Thanks again for all your help guys!
De nada. And of course, remember not to call your toolkit Open Source,
or the forty little gods will come and do the nasty on you! :-)
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ion is over yet : )
Hopefully not.
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, or what not.
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/writings .
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looks problematic under the Open Source Definition (and,
a fortiori, as Free Software as well). It seems to prohibit people from
packaging the Program on a CD-ROM with other programs and selling the
CD-ROM.
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r download at the special
price, for him only, of 0.00 zlotniks
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--Eric Raymond
point with most free software promotors is that they only see
the US and their strange copyright law and patent law.
The rest of the world is very different.
Nonsense. The U.S. has been changing its copyright laws since 1976
to come into *conformity* with the rest of the world, specif
ly? The *droit d'auteur*, or the *droit d'exploitation*?
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me thing be
accomplished with contracts? "I agree to allow Company X, and no one
else, to distribute copies of my software; in return, Company X will pay
me amount. This agreement remains in force until the copyright
expires."
Yes, that works fine.
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://www.opensales.org/html/devagree.shtml
Yeeargh! You want me to assign all rights to you forever for ZERO
compensation? It's not too often one has to sign a contract in order to
make a donation.
Copyright remains with you.
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being able to demand your private changes
is Evil and Rude also.
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can't", or "this license is automatically construed in our favor").
The DFSG are of course substantially identical to the OSD -- which I'll
mention in some forlorn hope of wrestling us back on-topic.
Pending a complaint from the list owners, I think we *are* on to
P
suit can be about anything whatever. If somebody abuses your GPLed
software, and you sue, and the perpetrator turns out to be a Plan 9
contribute, *pip* goes your right to modify or distribute Plan 9.
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you export
the software, even if they would not otherwise apply as a matter of law.
The Lucida fonts bundled with Plan 9 are definitely not free, but
nothing compels you to use or redistribute them (they cannot be
modified or redistributed except as part of Plan 9).
--
www.opengroup.org/openmotif/license/
RMS commentary: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/motif.html
OpenMotif license FAQ: http://www.opengroup.org/openmotif/faq.html
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le
of abandonment is still possible.
See http://www.cni.org/Hforums/cni-copyright/1994-01/0204.html ,
by Mary Brandt Jensen (professor at the U. of S. Dak. School of Law).
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eory looks
plausible, and may save you.
What do you think?
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nary, which they cannot do under the GPL.
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le nyania qui bruit des sexes en compagnie, il supplee a ce qu'entre eux,
de rapport nyait pas. -- Jacques Lacan, "L'Etourdit"
program (though not explicitly
dedicated to the public domain within the code itself).
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C'est la` pourtant que se livre le sens du dire, de ce que, s'y conjuguant
le nyania qui bruit des sexes en compagnie, il supplee a ce qu'entre eux
.
That said, most such interpreters are licensed under the GPL,
such as Perl.
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copyright owner grants you that right.
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filesystem and tools. You can boot the OS, but you can't see any text
on the screen
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which just advises you
to do something). In that case, consumer products liability law cuts
in, and that is heavily weighted toward the injured consumer.
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s a free
software license (if the other problems were corrected), it is
unfortunate.
Agreed.
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that
is part of The Program).
You can bypass this language by making, and documenting, a trivial
hack to the file you wish to copy, I suppose.
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Denn er
it is simply allowed provided
source is distributed also. So there is no problem with saying that in your
case the binary and the source are the same thing.
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for users? It certainly limits the ability of
Motif-using commercial software to be ported to free OSes, which I take it
is the purpose of the OML. Free software developers have plenty of
widget libraries already.
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application. Most importantly, it
activates the GPL exception clause (3c para 2), allowing GPLed programs to use
Motif for the first time.
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and BSD distributions.
Thank you.
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.
I guess the difference is that you can *use* GPL'ed software all you want.
It's only when you try to incorporate it into your own code that you must,
as it were, pay.
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before, but this seems to say
that a patch allowing the software to run on Windows or VMS is impermissible,
since the patch makes the software "depend" on a non-free operating system.
This is clearly discrimination against a class of users and as such
forbidden by the OSD.
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Until about 1810, "democracy" meant essentially "mob rule". Then the
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also have rights against A?
If I write a novel, and you make it into a film under license from
me, I can't make copies of the film without a cross-license from you, no?
If the film;s copyright is infringed, only you can sue, no?
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do not impose any restrictions on the makers of derivative
works, and so lack the essential copyleft principle. They have been
called "copycenter" licenses: i.e., take the code to the copy center and
make as many copies (or derivative works) as you want.
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from A anyway for A's original content, because everybody
has such a license.
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erent licenses.
(ii).
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under license
X and no other" is a promise to one's self alone.
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t the means by which
this purpose is achieved.
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David Johnson wrote:
The point is, either I take
the license at its face value, or I throw it out *completely*.
What, and put all our local lawyers (and law students) out of business?
Shame. :-)
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Martin Konold wrote:
Would you claim the very same for some Microsoft owned ActiveX component?
The issue is entirely different, involving civil disobedience, not
moral obligation.
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nd the
rule that you can transfer them if and only if you transfer the original
with them.)
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e, which I think is substantial),
this one won't fly. Header files almost certainly don't have the
necessary originality to be themselves copyrightable: there is a form/content
merger.
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words "All Rights Reserved", whether those rights were then licensed
to anyone or not. This is no longer true anywhere (I think) but
publishers insert it out of habit. It has no effect on your license.
Disclaimer: IANAL.
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the tail a leg doesn't make it one."
--Abraham Lincoln
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conditions. The actions are copying, distributing, and
making derivative works. You neither accept nor reject the GPL; it grants
you permissions whether you want them or not.
If the copyright owner revokes the permissions, you are probably out of luck.
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like, thus:
"Here, use my carno, I lied. You can't."
The previous license will not help you now.
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on of letting him see the movie. He has the obligation
of paying for the ticket.
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LA-style shrink-wrap contracts, opening up the way to other kinds of
restrictions and other kinds of non-copyright damages.
Is that a fair summary?
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n the past for mentioning requirements to eat moose @%#$ in this
connection, so I won't mention it.
I'm wondering why the law treats books and
software differently.
Historical precedent, plus plenty of clout on the part of software publishers.
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particularly if the license can be seen in isolation from the act of
distribution of a copy.
Why can't permission to distribute be conditional?
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ther we have *agreed* to
anything or not, as long as we refrain from certain forbidden actions.
(My reference, in yesterday's post, to "doing certain actions" was
of course nonsense: the GPL doesn't require us to take any action
in particular, nor could it, unless we actually exercise our rig
pyrightable works
regardless of whether a license is used to distribute the work).
I suppose you mean fair use.
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I am a member of a civilization. --David Brin
not.
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you for an *exclusive*
transfer of your copyright to the FSF, but that has nothing to do with the
GNU GPL and everything to do with administrative convenience.
The Linux kernel, e.g., is copyright Linus Torvalds and others. The FSF has
no copyright interest in it.
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Schlingt dreifach ei
ed in
some licenses recently, attempting to override state law to the effect that
contracts of adhesion are interpreted strictly against the drafting party --
in a contract of adhesion! Strikes me as void because against public policy.
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fach einen Kreis vom dies! || John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Schliesst euer Aug vor heiliger Schau, || http://www.reutershealth.com
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Und trank die Milch vom Paradies.-- Coleridge (tr. Politzer)
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