RE: On the licensing terms of the open source licenses text

2004-07-10 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Larry Philippe - my take on this issue is that it is not a good idea to copy an open source license, if the author of the license text explicitly withholds permission. On the other hand, I have always assumed that the claim to copyright in an open source license text is both ironic and

RE: the provide, license verbs

2004-07-06 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
the circumstances and in the manner as the hypothetical. -Original Message- From: Mahesh T. Pai [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mahesh T. Pai Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 2:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: the provide, license verbs Sorry for the late reply. Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. said

RE: Effect of the MySQL FLOSS License Exception?

2004-06-18 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
, clarify. - Rod - Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. www.cyberspaces.org This email never should be construed as legal advice. .. Original Message ... On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:56:19 -0700 Lawrence Rosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glen Low wrote: [Humor aside, if the code I'm linking

Re: Effect of the MySQL FLOSS License Exception?

2004-06-18 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
in the copyright sense. As for Eben, his point is framed far out of context. - Rod - Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. www.cyberspaces.org This email never should be construed as legal advice. The sticky point is this: It's settled that a binary is a derivative work of its source. It's

Re: the provide, license verbs

2004-06-10 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
. Hence, my point that some aspect of our discussion is purely academic. Rod - Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cyberspaces.org .. Original Message ... On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:32:52 -0400 No Spam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not entirely academic what do you

Re: the provide, license verbs (was: Dual licensing)

2004-06-09 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
the terms of the license or rejecting them. That's it. On the other hand, the default rules Rick mentions would apply to a work like a book, which is not customarily distributed with a license. Rod - Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cyberspaces.org .. Original Message

Re: the provide, license verbs

2004-06-09 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
the suit get past a motion to dismiss? Rod - Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cyberspaces.org .. Original Message ... On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:29:14 -0700 Rick Moen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Stephen C. North ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Do you say the law prevents me

Re: Dual licensing

2004-06-07 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
of the dual-licensing model. - Rod - Original Message - From: Marius Amado Alves [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OSI license discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 7:55 AM Subject: Re: Dual licensing Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. wrote: I agree with the point that the creative spark

Re: Dual licensing

2004-06-07 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
on a delusion. - Rod Ok, since you bit the academic discussion, here it goes. Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. wrote: If done appropriately, a comparison between 2 software programs that are similar in most respects - - except one distributed as a proprietary product (without antitrust violations

Re: For Approval: Educational Community License

2004-06-07 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
I agree that the license complies with the OSD. I also agree that your last paragraph could be clearer. I suspect that you could even delete it. The name and trademarks of copyright holder(s) may NOT be used in advertising or publicity pertaining to the Original or Derivative Works without

Re: Dual licensing

2004-06-06 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
I am a little puzzled as to the controversy. I attended a law conference recently where a Microsoft attorney spoke on a panel identified as open source software. As odd as that was since there were no members of the open source community on the panel, Microsoft's long list of legal risks warning

Re: Dual licensing

2004-06-06 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Open source software refers to a development model as well as a software licensing legal regime. I will not bother to use exclamation points or ALL CAPS to make my point. - Rod - Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cyberspaces.org .. Original Message ... On Sun, 06 Jun

Re: Dual licensing

2004-06-06 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
., LL.M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cyberspaces.org .. Original Message ... On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:16:44 -0400 John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. scripsit: Open source software refers to a development model as well as a software licensing legal regime. Maybe

Re: Which license to use for MFC based software?

2004-06-02 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
that in that instance the dynamic linking, itself, created a modified work, section 117(a)(1) would seem to render the adaptation permissible as a matter of Copyright law. - Rod Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] opensource.cyberspaces.org DISCLOSURE STATEMENT: This e-mail communication constitutes

Re: Which license to use for MFC based software?

2004-06-02 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Which license to use for MFC based software? Quoting Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Forgive me, if I am responding to the wrong question. The thread to this discussion is a little hard to follow. Indeed, and I'll attempt

Re: Which license to use for MFC based software?

2004-06-02 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
This is probably true. But, the legal basis for the GPL's control over re-distribution or subsequent distribution is that the underlying work is either a derivative of the original or the original itself. What is Microsoft's legal basis? Are they claiming that all works created with their visual

Re: Question re attribution for derived works...

2004-05-22 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
is a prediction that downstream users/licensees would proliferate similar clauses inappropriately. A carefully drafted license could prevent that messy result. - Rod - Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cyberspaces.org .. Original Message ... On Wed, 19 May 2004 00:39:00

Re: Submitting a new license or using the current ones

2004-05-06 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
: On Thu, 6 May 2004, Ian Lance Taylor wrote: : : I don't understand why there are so many licenses, if the : open-source specification is so rigid. : : I don't really understand it either. I mean, I know how we got here : step by step, but looking at the situation now it doesn't make

Re: [OT?] US CA govt use of PDF fill-in forms

2004-04-26 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
The PDF format is now an open standard, and other vendors operate in the PDF space. Once it is widely known among enough vendors that government agencies want to use puffs to create editable forms, I am sure others will enter the space, if they have not already done so. I doubt that there is a

Re: Adaptive Public License

2004-04-15 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
It sounds as if you are attempting both to control the distribution of your license along with your software package and to control the distribution of the license as adapted for others; this is rather strange to me. I think there are, generally, three approaches to drafting open source licenses:

Re: LAB Public License proposal

2004-03-17 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Software Law Blog: http://opensource.cyberspaces.org Le lundi 15 Mars 2004 21:35, Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. a écrit : It might help if you highlighted the changes (using color text or bold facing). Is your explanation as to why you have declined to adopt the CUA Office Public License limited

Re: Source Distribution License

2004-03-15 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Alexander's point is not exactly correct, but I think the main point was on target; namely, in addressing questions concerning the copyrightability for software, the object code is not likely to be treated differently than the source code. In some cases, the distinction between object code and

Re: A must read for license law

2004-03-15 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
I agree with John, but, if there is a connection, it is not readily apparent. Would you explain your point further? There may be a conceptually interesting question regarding whether a particular public license is a restriction on liberty or a grant of permission to do a thing that otherwise

Re: License Committee report - regarding NASA Open Source Agreement Version 1.1

2004-02-18 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
I think the NASA Open Source Agreement is worthy of OSI's approval - - with revision, but it also raises issues worthy of discussion and, perhaps, adjustment to the OSD since the internationalization of intellectual property law will likely raise similar open source licensing issues for other

Re: bare license

2004-01-16 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Yes, the issues are exactly as you quite effectively summarize. In my post, I was not expressing my opinion on the merits of the contract/license debate; rather, I was noting the primary issues usually involved in that debate. Rod - Original Message - From: daniel wallace [EMAIL

Re: bare license

2004-01-15 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
I do not think the reason why FSF favors the argument you mentioned -- that an open source license is a license, not a contract -- is a secret. A copyright license typically sets forth the rights granted by the licensor. The issue that occasionally arises is whether a copyright license like the

Re: For approval: Open Test License v1.1

2004-01-09 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Hmm... If you could answer yes or no to some of my questions I could possibly provide a helpful response. I think the way you have written the provision containing condition 3 is problematic, but it is not apparent - - not to me, at least - - why it is included in your software license. If you

Re: For approval: Open Test License v1.1

2004-01-09 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
- Original Message - From: Alex Rousskov [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 7:59 PM Subject: Re: For approval: Open Test License v1.1 : : On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. wrote: : : it is not apparent

Re: For approval: Open Test License v1.1

2004-01-08 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
The issue I see for the Open Test License v1.1 is with regard to the provision containing the third condition. This may not be strictly an OSD problem, but, it is not clear to me how condition three is triggered. As written, it seems to require a POTENTIAL licensee to obtain written permission

Re: Why?

2003-12-29 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
: Why do organizations that release software under a permissive, : non-copyleft license, use a license in the first place? This is an interesting question. I am assuming that the poster is really asking why use a non-copyleft license rather than a dedication to the public domain, but since

Re: Why?

2003-12-29 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
I have puzzled over John's comment concerning the right to recapture the copyright. As a response to Rick's statement, I do not know what John means??? -Rod Rod Dixon Open Source Software Law Blog: http://opensource.cyberspaces.org - Original Message - From: John Cowan [EMAIL

Re: For Approval: Panda3D Public License Version 1.0

2003-12-23 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
of the license. Clause 8 is unclear after the first sentence, which is probably all that is needed. Sublicensing? I feel obligated to mention that using approved OSI licenses as useful templates in drafting makes good sense, but as touchstones does not. Rod Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. Author: Open Source

Re: Which License should I pick?

2003-12-14 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
If, as stated, the basic codebase is not going to be changed or enhanced by contributions from anyone other than those created by the original copyright holder, then dual-licensing is clearly possible by using a less restrictive license. To be fair, I would announce the fact that the codebase

Re: Viral licenses (was: wxWindows library...)

2003-12-14 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
I just noticed that the Supreme Court denied cert in the case. : An interesting case to watch is Liu v. PriceWaterHouse, wherein you might : say the agreement at issue, if validly enforced, is viral as to the : third-party Chinese programmers in a similar way that the GPL might be. : : : See,

Re: Simple OS license?

2003-11-12 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
-read the LGPL and give that license serious re-consideration. Rod Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. Author: Open Source Software Law Best points of contact: Blog: http://opensource.cyberspaces.org e-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] voice:202-361-0797 fax:202-521-9317 website: http://cyberspaces.org/dixon

Re: Silly question: are usage restrictions covered by the OSD?

2003-10-16 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
: On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: : This may be a silly question as I'm probably overlooking something, : but as far as I can tell the Open Source Definition does not : forbid any general restrictions on usage of software. The closest : thing is No Discrimination Against Fields

Re: OSD#5 needs a patch?

2003-10-09 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
: Chuck Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : : By this you mean that you do not see any particular problem with : Sean's license being incompatible with the GPL by it's own terms, : and that you view his license as being OSD-compliant? : : Very few people thought that Sean's license was not

Re: OSD#5 needs a patch?

2003-10-08 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
putting OSI in the position of actually having to affirmatively police a potentially cumbersome and difficult process. -Rod Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. http://www.cyberspaces.org -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3

Re: OSD#5 needs a patch?

2003-10-07 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
: On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 12:18:58AM -0300, Bruce Dodson wrote: : OSD#5 The license must not discriminate against any person : or group of persons. : : Does that need to be expanded to state explicitly that this : does not just apply to the license terms? i.e. Should it : say in addition

Re: Updated license - please comment

2003-06-20 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
It has come to my attention off-list that I may need to clarify my comment on the proposed RSPL. I made 3 observations; namely, that since [1] section 2a of the proposed license is identical to section 2a of the GNU LGPL; [2] the proposed license has a similar purpose as the GNU LGPL (according

Re: Updated license - please comment

2003-06-18 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
: : Am I the only one who thinks 2a and 2d are unacceptible? It violates : OSD#3 by limiting the type of derived work, I think you have to evaluate the license in the context of what the author has told us about his purpose. The GNU LGPL, for example, makes more sense when you consider its

Re: New license - please comment

2003-06-10 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
demand an ownership interest in copyright (which I doubt many would be willing to grant you). Rod Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. http://www.cyberspaces.org/webzine/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Christophe Dupre [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 9

Re: Please add Public Domain to license list

2003-03-16 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
I, too, favor a more robust public domain for software than most acknowledge exists today. Unfortunately, this topic is infused with unclear distinctions, but what is apparent is a difference between what is real and what is ideal. David's position seems to border on idealistic expectations. If

Re: Please add Public Domain to license list

2003-03-16 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
[snip] : Don't let any of our criticisms on this topic lead you to believe that : none of us want OSI recognition of Public Domain software as Open : Source Software. That is not the case. There are of course some who do : feel that way, but many others including myself think it would be a :

Re: Compatibility of the AFL with the GPL

2003-03-13 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
My answer (or rather my question) is does Larry have an alter ego known as Joe Hacker who wants to get back at people on this list making the use of his license so complicated? ;-) More seriously, I think the hypo adds to rather than substracts from the confusion on this topic. The initial

Re: A BSD-like license that isn't template-based

2003-03-04 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
If RMS responds, would you post his response to the list? I have been curious about FSF's classification of the AFL as incompatible with the GPL. thanks, Rod - Original Message - From: John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dave H [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March

Re: Antiwar License

2003-03-03 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
If we think of OSD 5 as intending to prevent the restriction of choices or prevent the proliferation of licenses that lock out certain groups from participating in open source projects, doing so might decrease the likelihood that we will over-read the OSD, and apply it in a manner that seems

Re: discuss: EPD CORE OPEN SOURCE LICENSE - Version 0.1

2003-02-27 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Bill, My overall impression of this version of your license is that it contains unnecessary provisions, which you could delete given your stated purpose for the license, but before addressing that I think paragraph 3 needs a little work to fully establish that the license is an open source

Re: discuss: No Warranty License.

2003-02-27 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
One way around this apparent conundrum is adopt the suggestion in OSD. Point out the restriction that may exist, but do not actually incorporate the tersm of the restriction in your license. 5. No Discrimination Against Persons or Groups The license must not discriminate against any person or

Re: OSD Model Code -- Article 1 (Free Distribution)

2003-01-21 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
I suppose I read the OSD as setting up a guideline ABOUT the distribution of aggregate software (Art. 1) while the GPL essentially excludes aggregated software from its terms; the latter is a negation of scope of applicability while the former is a shall not restrict. In addition, mere

Re: OSD Model Code -- Article 1 (Free Distribution)

2003-01-21 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Do you mean clause 5 of version 2.0 of the Artistic License? If so, would you agree that the proposed change, either your suggestion or Larry's, would avoid the problem caused by the current Art. 1 of the OSD or do you think there is still a problem with clause 5? Rod - Original Message

Re: OSD Model Code -- Article 1 (Free Distribution)

2003-01-20 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Good point regarding misuse since the initial confusion arose from the use of aggregate software in the OSD. Under Art. 1-1, I will delete footnote 3. As for Larry's revision of Art. 1 of the OSD, that seems fine with me and consistent with the original annotated version of the OSD. In removing

Re: OSD Model Code -- Article 1 (Free Distribution)

2003-01-20 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Mark's point re-introduces the copyright misuse issue since he is correct that there is a grey area concerning the validity of license restrictions on copyrightable collective works are concerned. Larry's proposal avoids this problem as long as it is agreeable that the OSD should not have

Re: OSD Model Code -- Article 1 (Free Distribution)

2003-01-20 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
I think Larry's point is a plausible interpretation as well, but the point is well-taken by this discussion that the current version of Art. 1 needs revision. Unless there is a very good reason to include a guideline on aggregate software under Art. 1 of the OSD, which covers free distribution, I

Re: Model Code for the OSD

2003-01-20 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
- From: David Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Rod Dixon' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:08 PM Subject: Re: Model Code for the OSD : On Saturday 18 January 2003 09:39 am, Lawrence E. Rosen

Re: Model Code for the OSD

2003-01-18 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
David has proposed that Article 2 of the OSD not be read to require documented source code. To implement this change on our draft, I can delete from section 2-2 of the model code the explanatory passage that defines obfuscated to mean, among other things, undocumented code. I'll make this change

Re: discuss: Request for license approval...

2002-11-20 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Hmm...I wish I understood what you were really asking. At any rate, be careful to note whether the author of a license is making a claim that the license, itself, is copyright-protected; if so, you should get permission before you copy it. Rod - Original Message - From: Bruce Dodson

Re: Derivative Work for Software Defined

2002-11-13 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Hmm...If I understood your proposal correctly, you were suggesting a useful framework to respond to the often difficult assessment of how to determine whether a licensee has created a derivative work. My response was that your proposal/suggestion that the abstraction-filtration-comparison (AFC)

Re: Derivative Work for Software Defined

2002-11-12 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
It's an intriguing idea, Dan, but your initial point that a derivative work triggers the compliance with FOSS seems only partially correct. A public re-distribution of the original work, for example, would trigger compliance as well...to the extent that compliance issues arise. In your second

Re: a proposed change to the OSD

2002-10-30 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Terrific explanation! Thanks. Rod Rod Dixon Visiting Assistant Professor of Law Rutgers University Law School - Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberspaces.org/dixon/ My papers on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) are available through the following url:

Re: Newbie Question

2002-10-29 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
My initial reaction was the same as John's reaction, but the OSD does not seem to provide clear answers on this. I was inclined to say that the OSD would require no answers to both questions, but as the poster mentioned, the text of the OSD is not that specific. - Rod Rod Dixon Visiting

Re: click-wrap is legally supportable?

2002-10-28 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Some of your hypotheticals are interesting, but I think you are missing the point. We are discussing licenses that are presumably issued by licensors. In that respect, it is in the interest of the licensor to follow the steps that might ensure that his or her license is enforceable. One of the

Re: a proposed change to the OSD

2002-10-26 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Despite the expressed sentiment of some OSI members, I doubt that any lawyer would advise support of this change to the OSD, if it pertains to the clickwrap issue. Rod Rod Dixon Visiting Assistant Professor of Law Rutgers University Law School - Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: a proposed change to the OSD

2002-10-26 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Calling an open source license a gift is nice semantics, but I am unsure what else that description gets us... Try asking yourself what is the remedy for breach/violation of an open source license that the copyright holder/licensor can pursue? In answering the question, it is not enough to say

Re: discuss: Request for wxWindows License approval

2002-10-23 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
- Original Message - From: Julian Smart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. [EMAIL PROTECTED]; John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:17 AM Subject: Re: discuss: Request for wxWindows License approval At 21:09 22/10/2002 -0400, Rod Dixon

Re: discuss: Request for wxWindows License approval

2002-10-22 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
I cannot resist calling out the irony and twists-of-fate of an OSI trademark certification of a wxWindows open source software product. If OSI has the temerity to grant that one, yall should send out a press release. Seriously, let's be careful with how we view other trademark matters when the

Re: Discuss: The Open-Source Milestone Application Framework Software License

2002-04-28 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
I agree that article 7 creates compliance difficulties. Will the drafter explain why it is included? The article might make more sense if it is limited to modifications contributed to the codebase. Rod Rod Dixon www.cyberpsaces.org WHY don't you TALK about these? Pekka

Re: I accept

2002-04-28 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
This is not exactly correct. We have discussed this issue before on this list so a search of the archives might prove helpful. The argument involving the UCC (Article 2) addresses a question concerning what source of law should be applied to resolve disputes over contract formation and or the

RE: paradox Open Source / Open Content

2002-01-10 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
;) Nevertheless I would be happy if you could further help us on our problem so we might find a pragmatic solution. Thanks again, Sandro On 10 Jan 2002, at 0:08, Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. wrote: Your question seems to raise several issues. As stated, however, I had difficulty in determining

RE: paradox Open Source / Open Content

2002-01-09 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Your question seems to raise several issues. As stated, however, I had difficulty in determining whether your concern is really about software or content (i.e. publications made available by software). When you asked: what if someone uses our software to restrict access to publications by

RE: OSD fuzziness/omissions?

2001-12-10 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Thanks, please post whatever else you come across regarding the OSD. -Original Message- From: Forrest J. Cavalier III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OSD fuzziness/omissions? In analyzing

RE: Does modification include translation to another HLL?

2001-12-07 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Rod Dixon wrote: Hmm...I doubt that the puzzle can be solved by switching from read to examine. If you copy the work and the work is copyright-protected, telling a judge that instead of reading the work, you examined it is not going to work. You could try to dodge the bullet

Open Source Licensing: OSD 2002

2001-11-25 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Next semester (commencing Jan. 2002) with the help of Larry Rosen and a couple of law student research assistants, I will begin a research project to draft recommendations for improvements to the Open Source Definition. There has been considerable discussion on this list about the OSD already,

RE: Can anyone say his or her software is open source?

2001-10-30 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
The question presented is actually a very good one in my opinion because it calls out a subtle complexity with discussing open source and understanding what is really meant by the various uses (and, possibly, misuses) of the term. I think a programmer may freely identify their software as closed

RE: Is inherited class a derivative work?

2001-10-24 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
The `right to derive classes`? I thought someone explained, quite thoughtfully, that this was NOT a matter of concern under copyright law. In addition, I think it is unadvisable to make object-oriented programming practices like inheritance, encapsulation, or polymorphism the subject matter of

Re: Is inherited class a derivative work?

2001-10-21 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
The answer is no. You might recall that trademark law does not grant the TM owner the right to control all use of the mark. If the use is outside the scope of TM usage (namely, the identification of source), it is unlikely that the use invokes in TM rights at all...particularly under the facts

Re: Is inherited class a derivative work?

2001-10-17 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
The discussion on this topic has been very interesting. I am unsure who posted the comment about the lawyers at FSF, but if that person could obtain clearance to post the complete explanation on why FSF has taken the position that the use of inheritance constitutes the creation of a derivative

RE: forums

2001-09-29 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
I like David's suggestion. It supports both objectives mentioned by Larry and does so with slight disruption to how the list works now. I suspect a moderator on license-discuss could be extremely helpful in not only keeping us on-topic, but in helping to ensure that the list provides as much

Re: click, click, boom

2001-09-28 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
I agree with Matt that almost above all the open source community should value the spirit of openness. Having said that, I think that to the extent that OSI can foster an environment where the open source community continues to rise to the next level of extending the benefits of open source

Re: Section 2 source distribution terms (was Re: GPL vs APSL (was: YAPL is bad))

2001-09-28 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
It's my understanding that OSI is trying to come up with a plan to review the OSD. I may be presenting a proposal to larry soon to help them in that effort. Even so, I think the lawyers could benefit from the input of the developers. I would not abandon the project. Rod Original

RE: GPL vs APSL (was: YAPL is bad)

2001-09-25 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Some have said that the MIT/BSD licenses do not REQUIRE access to the source code, and where the licenses PERMIT access to the source code, code forking is permitted for redistributions of modified works. I think this is correct although the list of conditions clauses in the license are so

RE: Contract or License?

2001-09-14 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Hello Larry, as I recall, you and I have discussed this subject briefly. I think we agree that this is a confusing area of the law. I do not know of any caselaw that says a software license is not a contract. But, I think the issue is slightly more complex than whether a software license is a

RE: Contract or License?

2001-09-14 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Hmm... You were on much better footing before when you appeared to stay close to traditional copyright. Your statements below about 1201 of the DMCA are not accurate. I doubt that the word content control appears anywhere in 1201; that section focuses on access controls and the circumvention of

RE: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-10 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
] -Original Message- From: John Cowan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 11:08 AM To: Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. Cc: Rick Moen; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. scripsit: But, do note that the more your license terms

RE: copyright discussion

2001-09-10 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Who on this list beside myself wondered whether Praveen posted his message on this list without consideration of why most of us support open source? Or, did I miss something? Rod -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001

RE: copyright discussion

2001-09-10 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
an end-run on the debate, but it's just as well due to the debate's complexity and time-consuming quality. Rod Dixon -Original Message- From: David Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 10:50 PM To: Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL

RE: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-10 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Certainly no insult or attack upon an individual or a project was intended by my describing a license's objective. I think my point was misunderstood and I apologize for not being clearer. Rod -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3

RE: RealNetworks' RTSP Proxy License

2001-09-08 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Since the issue whether a shrink-wrap, click-through, or website, license is validly formed in any given case is difficult enough to determine, we should resist the inclination to make this unduly complicated. I hope I can clarify a couple of points that are often raised on license-discuss.

RE: Quick Reference For Choosing a Free Software License

2001-08-13 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My main suggestion, however, was that some of the text - - the legal stuff - - should be re-written so it is clear that an opinion of the author is being expressed rather than a legal opinion being passed on by the author. I agree

RE: GPLv2 'web-app loophole'

2001-08-12 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Message- From: Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] This sounds like much ado about nothing. As is well-known, software is not an easy fit within copyright doctrine. I am unsure whether there is a relevant distinction between use and copy as far as software

RE: Quick Reference For Choosing a Free Software License

2001-08-08 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Oh, my! I most defintely do not want to discourage you, and the chart is not a bad idea, but your commentary is written as if you ARE dispensing legal advice. You use phrases like a court might decide that and it has no legal effect too frequently. I would suggest rewriting some of the material

RE: GPLv2 'web-app loophole'

2001-08-07 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
On Monday 06 August 2001 08:42 pm, Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. wrote: This sounds like much ado about nothing. As is well-known, software is not an easy fit within copyright doctrine. I am unsure whether there is a relevant distinction between use and copy as far as software is concerned

RE: GPLv2 'web-app loophole'

2001-08-06 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
As Larry said, you are asking an incredibly complicated legal question. Two points: register your work with the Copyright Office immediately (http://www.loc.gov/copyright/) and hire an attorney. Consulting FSF may be helpful, but you seem to be presenting a classic case of someone needing legal

RE: copyrightable APIs? (was RE: namespace protection compatiblewit

2001-04-21 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
-Original Message- From: Lawrence E. Rosen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 11:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: copyrightable APIs? (was RE: namespace protection Finally, one CAN use trademark law -- with all its strengths and weaknesses -- to

RE: namespace protection compatible with the OSD?

2001-04-19 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
I am sorry about joining the discussion late. This sounds interesting. Brian, do you mind clarifying your question without rehashing what has been discussed? I do not want to bore those who have followed the thread, but what do you mean by "implement" and what is the concern you are raising? Rod

Re: Documentation licenses revisited

2001-03-24 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Admittedly, I do not know anything about DNA or whether genetic code mapping is like source code, but your point sounds like the kind of argument I certainly would support. Rod This begs the whole question, how can copyleft and milder forms of copyright licensing be applied to all IP?

Re: Linking restrictions and shared libraries

2001-03-12 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Section 117 Section 117(a) of the Copyright Act, seems applicable. It limits the right of the copyright holder with regard to computer programs, and is relevant to the dynamic linking of shared libraries. Given the general purpose of the GNU GPL, we can make two assumptions about its

Re: What is Copyleft?

2001-02-23 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
How can that create a derivative work? Well, the question is why wouldn't it? Because you're not modifying the original work. You're not adding anything to it. The two parts (the Program and the Library) aren't ever combined into one work. If you would argue that they are combined

Re: Fw: What is Copyleft?

2001-02-23 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Imagine I have two novels. On page 100 of Novel A, there is an instruction: Open up Novel B, turn to Chapter 7. When finished, come back to this point and continue reading. As the reader, (the processor in this analogy) I follow these instructions. My "thread of execution" takes me from

Re: What is Copyleft?

2001-02-23 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
Dave, I don't have the LGPL right in front of me, if you could quote the provision you are referring to, it might help us respond. Even so, which part of the license do you think is disobeyed, and why? Rod From: Frank Hecker [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] makes a distinction between licenses

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