Re: request for approval of APPOSL - going by the numbers.

2002-03-09 Thread dave sag
lawyer says before I push this further. I believe I have until the last wednesday of the month before the board meets to review the APOSSL. cheers dave At 12:43 AM -0500 9/3/02, Russell Nelson wrote: dave sag writes: We state 4. The term pronoic should be used to endorse

Re: request for approval of APOSSL

2002-03-06 Thread dave sag
At 5:23 PM -0500 5/3/02, Forrest J. Cavalier III wrote: in pseudocode clause 4 if (haveNoPermissionToUseterm(pronoic))) { if (useterm(pronoic)) { noProblem(); } else { notInTheSpiritOfIt(); } } else {

Re: request for approval of APOSSL

2002-03-06 Thread dave sag
At 9:48 AM -0500 6/3/02, Forrest J. Cavalier III wrote: APOSSL is a BSD style licence save for the following special points. * the name of the software should not include pronoic.org or Pronoic Ltd. That makes it like the Apache license, I think. that's fine. * the software should

Re: request for approval of APOSSL

2002-03-06 Thread dave sag
last summer we wrote some highly pronoic code now just needs licence VOTE yes to APOSSL cheers dave At 9:25 AM -0800 6/3/02, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting dave sag ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): * the software should be described as being pronoic unless you ask for permission to use the term pronoic

Re: request for approval of APOSSL

2002-03-06 Thread dave sag
well this is way off topic but At 3:04 PM -0500 6/3/02, Forrest J. Cavalier III wrote: I wrote: Here is the response I would give you about OSI approval for your license. Your request will be rejected is your request will be rejected. nice try but quines make sense. your response makes

request for approval of APPOSL - going by the numbers.

2002-03-06 Thread dave sag
Hi OSSL experts, In my earlier posts to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I failed to follow protocol and snagged myself on a couple of silly misunderstandings. For this I apologise. I have now followed from the list at http://www.opensource.org/docs/certification_mark.html and hope that this meets with

Re: request for approval of APOSSL

2002-03-06 Thread dave sag
okay, sorry to be a pedant. this will be the last post on this OT thread from me. At 4:27 PM -0500 6/3/02, Matthew C. Weigel wrote: On Wednesday, March 6, 2002, at 03:41 p, dave sag wrote: nice try but quines make sense. your response makes no sense. He made a small mistake: what he meant

Re: request for approval of APOSSL

2002-03-05 Thread dave sag
Hi Forrest, I think you have missed the finer points of the APOSSL comments inline below At 11:24 AM -0500 5/3/02, Forrest J Cavalier III wrote: snip This is not a Free software license because clause 4 requires promotion of derivatives I should be free to create a derivative and keep it

Re: request for approval of APOSSL

2002-03-05 Thread dave sag
III wrote: dave sag [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, in part Clause 4 does NOT require promition of derivatives at all. Should you never obtain written permission, you never need endorse anything. 4. The names Pronoic, or pronoic.org must be used to endorse and promote products derived from

Re: request for approval of APOSSL

2002-03-05 Thread dave sag
At 12:37 PM -0500 5/3/02, Forrest J Cavalier III wrote: pronoic is a word (albeit a made up word) meaning the opposite of paranoic it is also a name, but so is apple, and netscape and apache they can use their name in their own licences Undefined words no place in legal documents

Re: request for approval of APOSSL

2002-03-05 Thread dave sag
At 1:47 PM -0500 5/3/02, John Cowan wrote: dave sag wrote: Clause 4 does NOT require promition of derivatives at all Should you never obtain written permission, you never need endorse anything # 4 The names Pronoic, or pronoicorg must be used to endorse and # promote products derived from

on the spirit of the APOSSL

2002-03-05 Thread dave sag
Hi, I would like to discuss the place for a licence like the APOSSL among its peers. The APOSSL is a licence whose goal is to encourage people to consider being pronoic; believing in that feeling that forces are conspiring to make life better. This is manifest in the way software is

Re: request for approval of APOSSL

2002-03-05 Thread dave sag
At 2:39 PM -0500 5/3/02, Forrest J Cavalier III wrote: the key here is the qualifying 'before obtaining written permission' should you NEVER obtain written permission you never need endorse anything Huh? How does a court of law distinguish someone who will never obtain permission from

Re: request for approval of APOSSL

2002-03-05 Thread dave sag
At 2:36 PM -0300 5/3/02, Rodrigo Barbosa wrote: I agree with your interpretation. The text states clearly that you MUST use it, unless you get permission for not using it. this clause has been revised to * 4. The term pronoic should be used to endorse and promote products derived *from

Re: on the spirit of the APOSSL

2002-03-05 Thread dave sag
At 3:55 PM -0500 5/3/02, Matthew C Weigel wrote: On Tuesday, March 5, 2002, at 02:45 p, dave sag wrote: because it puts faith in individuals and empowers them OSS is pronoic in nature because you can simply express a need for tools and within a Then I don't understand the need for a 'pronoic