Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-27 Thread John Cowan
Lawrence E. Rosen scripsit: > Is that a distinction without a difference? Or should we assert that > licenses of the form "don't use that license" are contrary to the OSD > because they discriminate? I think that it is a distinction without a difference. You could as well say that the GPL discr

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-27 Thread Russell Nelson
Sean Chittenden writes: > Because I want widget makers to be able to take OSSAL code, and use it > in proprietary products. But that's what the FSF is doing! Why don't you want them to do it? > The OSSAL lets widget makers who use the same set of modules, > ensure that any work on the module

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-27 Thread Sean Chittenden
> I'm sorry that I'm coming in late to this conversation but I've been > busy. No prob, life happens: I sympathize. > I'm concerned about the following section of the proposed license: > > 4. Redistributions of source code must not be used in conjunction >with any software license that requi

RE: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-27 Thread Lawrence E. Rosen
I'm sorry that I'm coming in late to this conversation but I've been busy. I'm concerned about the following section of the proposed license: 4. Redistributions of source code must not be used in conjunction with any software license that requires disclosure of source code (ex: the GNU Publ

Termination for Patent Action

2003-09-27 Thread Lawrence E. Rosen
New thread -- was "RE: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License" > John Cowan wrote: > > The AFL says that if you sue the author of an AFL-licensed piece of > > software under a software patent claim (related or not), > you lose all > > rights to that software. Arnoud Engelfreit res

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-27 Thread Sean Chittenden
> > > What I'm trying to understand is why you say that incorporating BSD > > > code in a proprietary product is a good thing and simulataneously > > > say that incorporating BSD code in a GPL product is a bad thing. > > > > Changes made to the BSD code by the authors of the GPL product are > > ch

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-27 Thread Sean Chittenden
> > I know that, but I want people to take bits and make them > > proprietary. More correctly. In my own context, I want to be > > able to use the fruits of my labor. The contributions that I seek > > are from other widget makers using the same tool for their widget. > > In that case, a "commun

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-27 Thread Ian Lance Taylor
Sean Chittenden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > What I'm trying to understand is why you say that incorporating BSD > > code in a proprietary product is a good thing and simulataneously > > say that incorporating BSD code in a GPL product is a bad thing. > > Changes made to the BSD code by the au

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-27 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
John Cowan wrote: > The AFL says that if you sue the author of an AFL-licensed piece of > software under a software patent claim (related or not), you lose all > rights to that software. Actually it goes much further. If you sue any author of any AFL- licensed software for patent infringement, you

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-27 Thread John Cowan
Lawrence E. Rosen scripsit: > The latest version of the AFL has a different patent termination clause. Sorry, I forgot that. > I suggested to a client recently that they get > around any issue of GPL incompatibility by simply waiving any such > incompatibility as an additional licensing statem

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-27 Thread John Cowan
Sean Chittenden scripsit: > > It so happens that my latest piece of free software was issued under > > the Academic Free License. I wound up dual-licensing it under the > > GPL because the AFL's patent poison-pill is GPL-incompatible. > > AFL patent poison-pill? -sc The AFL says that if you su

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-27 Thread Arnoud Galactus Engelfriet
Sean Chittenden wrote: > I know that, but I want people to take bits and make them proprietary. > More correctly. In my own context, I want to be able to use the > fruits of my labor. The contributions that I seek are from other > widget makers using the same tool for their widget. In that case,

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-27 Thread Sean Chittenden
> > > Your license is fine, once the ambiguities are squeezed out, and > > > I recommend that the OSI approve it. > > > > Are you apart of the approval process? *doesn't remember reading > > that part* > > As an individual, no; as a member of this list, yes. Ah, ok... didn't know if you had spe

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-27 Thread Sean Chittenden
> > Why does everyone insist that they're protecting my interests by > > likening a piece of BSD code that goes closed source as a bad > > thing or as if it's not what I want? That is precisely what I > > want people to be able to do! That's a smart business for reusing > > someone else's wheel d

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-27 Thread Sean Chittenden
> >>>The GPL interferes with the creation of proprietary software. > >> > >>Correct, which is what I object to and why I created the OSSAL. > >>Businesses using OSSAL software would give the business the > >>ability to create proprietary software, even though the non-core > >>parts are most likely

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-27 Thread Sean Chittenden
> > > The GPL interferes with the creation of proprietary software. > > > > Correct, which is what I object to and why I created the OSSAL. > > Businesses using OSSAL software would give the business the > > ability to create proprietary software, even though the non-core > > parts are most