[License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread Leon Rozenblit
ᐧ On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 7:37 PM, lro...@rosenlaw.com lro...@rosenlaw.com wrote: Standard is a loaded term. Licenses are not standards and OSI is not a standards organization. Larry Louis: Consider flipping the FAQ subject to say: Why shouldn't I cook-up your own home-made license? I think

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread Lawrence Rosen
Simon Phipps wrote: Mind you, OSI has described itself as a standards body for open source licenses for a long time, see http://opensource.org/about (I believe that text used to be on the home page). Perhaps, but that term has thus been misused. There is absolutely nothing about

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread Miles Fidelman
Lawrence Rosen wrote: Simon Phipps wrote: Mind you, OSI has described itself as a standards body for open source licenses for a long time, see http://opensource.org/about (I believe that text used to be on the home page). Perhaps, but that term has thus been misused. There is

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread Ben Cotton
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Lawrence Rosen lro...@rosenlaw.com wrote: I'm not quarreling with OSI's attempt to get everyone to use approved licenses Larry hit on my suggestion. Anywhere the word standard is used, some variant of approved or OSI-approved is a reasonable replacement.

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread Lawrence Rosen
Miles and others, Can you correlate what OSI does with what is described at http://opensource.org/osr-intro? I should also point out that criteria for open standards have been argued about extensively in the standards community. They are by no means widely accepted. I'm not suggesting that

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread Richard Fontana
On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 11:42:51 -0400 Ben Cotton bcot...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Lawrence Rosen lro...@rosenlaw.com wrote: I'm not quarreling with OSI's attempt to get everyone to use approved licenses Larry hit on my suggestion. Anywhere the word standard

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread John Cowan
Lawrence Rosen scripsit: Mind you, OSI has described itself as a standards body for open source licenses for a long time, see http://opensource.org/about (I believe that text used to be on the home page). Perhaps, but that term has thus been misused. There is absolutely nothing about

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread Miles Fidelman
Lawrence Rosen wrote: Miles and others, Can you correlate what OSI does with what is described at http://opensource.org/osr-intro? Personally, I think it's up to OSI to make the case for what they do, and the extent that they are or are not a standards body. As far as I can tell, their

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread Lawrence Rosen
John, once again you state the obvious to support an invalid argument: By the same token, the GPL is a standard open-source license and the Motosoto Open Source License is not, though both are equally OSI certified. Do you expect anyone to argue that the GPL isn't the most widely used and

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread Bruno F. Souza
Sidestepping the whole discussion around standard's bodies and other meanings of standard, when I read Luis' FAQ entry, the use of the term standard is really confusing... Specially since the Wiki page does not seem to imply any of the things being discussed in this thread... The entry seems

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread Richard Fontana
On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 15:03:20 -0300 Bruno F. Souza br...@javaman.com.br wrote: Sidestepping the whole discussion around standard's bodies and other meanings of standard, when I read Luis' FAQ entry, the use of the term standard is really confusing... I think so too now, in light of this thread

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread Ben Tilly
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Lawrence Rosen lro...@rosenlaw.com wrote: John, once again you state the obvious to support an invalid argument: By the same token, the GPL is a standard open-source license and the Motosoto Open Source License is not, though both are equally OSI certified. Do

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread Richard Fontana
On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 13:31:06 -0700 Ben Tilly bti...@gmail.com wrote: Suggested solution, can we use the word common instead of standard? And our definition of common should be something relatively objective, like the top X licenses in use on github, minus licenses (like the GPL v2) whose

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread John Cowan
Richard Fontana scripsit: You'd exclude the most commonly-used FLOSS license from common? Well, the most common license is probably GPLV2+, not GPLV2-only. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org All Norstrilians knew that humor was pleasurable corrigible

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread Ben Tilly
Apparently so. Because if you agree with the goals of the GPL, you should probably be using GPL v3+ rather than GPL v2+. On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Richard Fontana font...@sharpeleven.org wrote: On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 13:31:06 -0700 Ben Tilly bti...@gmail.com wrote: Suggested solution,

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread Philip Odence
In case it helps, Black Duck publishes a top licenses list based on the number of projects in our KnowledgeBase (out of a current total of about a million) that utilize each respective license. http://www.blackducksoftware.com/resources/data/top-20-open-source-licenses The webpage only shows the

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread Lawrence Rosen
Hi Philip, Thanks for the Black Duck Top 20 list of open source licenses. Your list is the best around, so please don't take the following criticism too personally. But this list demonstrates that even the ways that we calculate popularity are flawed. For example: * Are GPLv2 and