Rick Moen r...@linuxmafia.com writes:
Ben, I was not giving you a very serious reply (but rather a dismissive
one), because frankly I don't think you are approaching this discussion
with a serious attitude, attention to the subject, and/or a sense of
perspective.
Personal defenses might be
Quoting Karl Fogel (kfo...@red-bean.com):
It's better to question reasoning than motivations, on this list and
probably most others.
I said nothing whatsoever about motivations.
Lack of either serious attitude, attention to the subject, and/or a
sense of perspective seemed to exist as a fact
On 09/10/2012 01:38 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Karl Fogel (kfo...@red-bean.com):
It's better to question reasoning than motivations, on this list and probably
most others.
Karl,
I question why you didn't call a halt when the discussion was obviously
becoming a testosterone contest past
Quoting Bruce Perens (br...@perens.com):
I question why you didn't call a halt when the discussion was
obviously becoming a testosterone contest past the point of any
useful content.
I'll tell you offlist why this is a hilarious characterisation.
Bruce Perens br...@perens.com writes:
I question why you didn't call a halt when the discussion was
obviously becoming a testosterone contest past the point of any useful
content. OK, you'll never have the time to moderate. That's fine. What
isn't fine is that you don't find someone else to do it.
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Rick Moen r...@linuxmafia.com wrote:
Very sad. So, the barrio occupant in question might need to check out a
book with the licence text. Life's imperfect.
How exactly would you find said book? Are you not assuming that they
have libraries and book store
Quoting Ben Reser (b...@reser.org):
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Rick Moen r...@linuxmafia.com wrote:
Very sad. So, the barrio occupant in question might need to check out a
book with the licence text. Life's imperfect.
How exactly would you find said book?
Card catalogue? Help
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Rick Moen r...@linuxmafia.com wrote:
Card catalogue? Help from a librarian?
Depending on the license that may not be so easy. I doubt there is
just a book of open source licenses. So you're likely going to have
to find some other book that includes the
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Ben Reser b...@reser.org wrote:
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Rick Moen r...@linuxmafia.com wrote:
[...]
For that matter is it not also a violation of the technology neutral
clause of the open source definition?
No. Read it.
I did. If you only provide a
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Ben Tilly bti...@gmail.com wrote:
The location of the license text is not a provision of the license.
Some licenses, for instance the GPL, actually say that you have to
distribute the license along with the work. Others leave the matter
silent. Either way the
Quoting Ben Reser (b...@reser.org):
Depending on the license that may not be so easy.
[...]
Ben, I was not giving you a very serious reply (but rather a dismissive
one), because frankly I don't think you are approaching this discussion
with a serious attitude, attention to the subject, and/or a
On 09/07/2012 11:24 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
I don't think you are approaching this discussion with a serious attitude,
attention to the subject, and/or a sense of perspective.
Is this really a serious discussion?
It sounds to me more like a contest of how many silly things some of us
can get
Quoting Bruce Perens (br...@perens.com):
Is this really a serious discussion?
I exited, Bruce.
You talk to the gentleman if you wish. I left.
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On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Rick Moen r...@linuxmafia.com wrote:
I exited, Bruce.
You talk to the gentleman if you wish. I left.
I'm done as well. Ben Tilly's response made sense to me.
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On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 02:37:38PM -0700, Lawrence Rosen wrote:
Is distribution of the *link* to the license sufficient compliance with this
requirement?
For licenses that appear literally to require inclusion of a copy of
the license text? I have wondered whether we ought to start treating
Quoting John Cowan (co...@mercury.ccil.org):
The difficulty is that text often winds up in printed books, and then
you either have to distribute a CD with the book containing the editable
source, or be prepared to issue such CDs for no more than the cost of
distributing them. Both are
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Rick Moen r...@linuxmafia.com wrote:
Quoting Luis Villa (l...@tieguy.org):
More specifically, CC does it with the requirement in the license that
attribution notices link to the canonical text. Many OSS software
licenses, unfortunately, require distribution of
Quoting Mike Linksvayer (m...@gondwanaland.com):
GFDL requires copy of license text.
And you thought 'waiver' meant...?
Anyway, I like the option to refer to a license rather than include it
That would be one sort of provision a waiver might state.
On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 05:45:00PM -0400, John Cowan wrote:
Rick Moen scripsit:
Years ago, I reminded readers on this mailing list that possibly useful
reciprocal licences for non-software use by people disliking GFDL
include GPLv2, and that FSF even published a piece explaining the
On 09/06/2012 03:07 PM, Luis Villa wrote:
Custom waivers (particularly for something trivial like this) are just
another form of the same mess.
Posit that I am creating a version of the old Lyons Unix book,
containing the Linux source code. How many copyright holders must grant
me a waiver? Is
Quoting Luis Villa (l...@tieguy.org):
As a practical matter, indicating, tracking and relying on waiver is a
bit of a pain. e.g., lets say upstream says:
I give you a copy of the license this work is licensed under by
pointing you at http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html;
The
On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 03:07:44PM -0700, Luis Villa wrote:
As a practical matter, indicating, tracking and relying on waiver is a
bit of a pain. e.g., lets say upstream says:
I give you a copy of the license this work is licensed under by
pointing you at
That's unfortunate, because I advise it all the time for all licenses. Anything
more is a waste of time. And my clients have never been sued for posting a link
instead of a license. Maybe we are lucky???
/Larry (from my tablet and brief)
Luis Villa l...@tieguy.org wrote:
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012
On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 06:13:11PM -0400, John Cowan wrote:
Richard Fontana scripsit:
That assumes that the printed text is not source code in the sense
meant in sections 1 and 2 of GPLv2 but is instead object code or
executable form (section 3). I believe the better interpretation of
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Lawrence Rosen lro...@rosenlaw.com wrote:
That's unfortunate, because I advise it all the time for all licenses.
Anything more is a waste of time. And my clients have never been sued for
posting a link instead of a license. Maybe we are lucky???
The problem is
On Thursday 06 September 2012 21:14, Lawrence Rosen wrote:
I think it would be FAR more useful to have a simple license statement in the
source tree of each program that points to the OFFICIAL version of that
license on the OSI website.
But it force the user to have internet access in order
Quoting Johnny Solbu (joh...@solbu.net):
On Thursday 06 September 2012 21:14, Lawrence Rosen wrote:
I think it would be FAR more useful to have a simple license
statement in the source tree of each program that points to the
OFFICIAL version of that license on the OSI website.
But it
Larry wrote:
I think it would be FAR more useful to have a simple license
statement in the source tree of each program that points to the
OFFICIAL version of that license on the OSI website.
You are very optimistic regarding the longevity of OSI.
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Lawrence Rosen lro...@rosenlaw.com writes:
I'd count that as another reason *not* to provide plain text license
files. I think it would be FAR more useful to have a simple license
statement in the source tree of each program that points to the
OFFICIAL version of that license on the OSI website.
Lawrence Rosen lro...@rosenlaw.com writes:
Have we (OSI) ever seriously adding putting plain text versions of
licenses (where available) to the OSI website?
While this makes no difference to the legal implications of a license,
converting to plain text destroys information useful for human
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Karl Fogel kfo...@red-bean.com wrote:
Lawrence Rosen lro...@rosenlaw.com writes:
Have we (OSI) ever seriously adding putting plain text versions of
licenses (where available) to the OSI website?
While this makes no difference to the legal implications of a
Arguing the merit of plain text vs. HTML is just Lilliput v. Blefuscu.
Provide both, for different reasons.
Plain-text is a better source for cut-and-paste operations.
In general plain text divides the actual license text from any attached
commentary, making it clear which is which.
There is
Quoting Bruce Perens (br...@perens.com):
HTML provides some desirable features:
Add the fact that it autoconverts very nicely to plaintext. ;-
$ grep html .mailcap
text/html; /usr/bin/lynx -dump -force_html '%s'; copiousoutput;
description=HTML Text; nametemplate=%s.html
$
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