[Lift] Re: Lift and interoperability

2009-05-19 Thread Derek Chen-Becker
Sounds good. Don't hesitate to ask questions if you run into issues or if there's something not clear in the API. Derek On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 3:08 AM, rintcius rintc...@gmail.com wrote: I have decided to develop a little example project that looks at using scala from the perspective of

[Lift] Re: Lift and interoperability

2009-05-19 Thread Meredith Gregory
Glenn, It's easy for emails communications to go south. i'd be more than happy to help you out, but being a pretty slow guy, i need a specific code context before i can really grok what it is you want to do. If you're worried about IP or disclosure, can you cook up a simplified version with the

[Lift] Re: Lift and interoperability

2009-05-18 Thread glenn
Yeah, that's the ticket. You've got a new technology or framework you want to promulgate, insult the one's who don't get it out of the box. A bit mean-spirited, don't you think. Frankly, lift raises more questions then it answers. That's not a complaint.. I don't get it. I don't get that I have

[Lift] Re: Lift and interoperability

2009-05-18 Thread Derek Chen-Becker
Glenn, most of the people on this list have come to Lift knowing pretty much nothing about it. Most of the people on this list have also read the APIs, source, and asked a ton of questions to learn about Lift and how it works. Very few other people on this list that I can recall have made

[Lift] Re: Lift and interoperability

2009-05-17 Thread rintcius
Interesting discussion! I think I see a bit where Glenn is coming from. To me it's about *ease* of interoperability. For enterprise architectures the most important question is: to what extent is Lift helping me to build a **composable** software system. A composable software system will offer

[Lift] Re: Lift and interoperability

2009-05-17 Thread johnnie
On May 17, 4:33 am, rintcius rintc...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting discussion! I think I see a bit where Glenn is coming from. To me it's about *ease* of interoperability. For enterprise architectures the most important question is: to what extent is Lift helping me to build a

[Lift] Re: Lift and interoperability

2009-05-17 Thread Viktor Klang
Hello guys, if you could scribble together a scenario, then I might be able to help you out. Cheers, On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 10:53 PM, johnnie jsm2p...@googlemail.com wrote: On May 17, 4:33 am, rintcius rintc...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting discussion! I think I see a bit where Glenn is

[Lift] Re: Lift and interoperability

2009-05-17 Thread David Pollak
On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 2:33 AM, rintcius rintc...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting discussion! I think I see a bit where Glenn is coming from. I'm all for interoperability... I like baseball and apple pie, too. If there is a problem with Lift interoperating with another system or another piece

[Lift] Re: Lift and interoperability

2009-05-15 Thread Meredith Gregory
Tim, i'm really impressed -- you typed all that on you iPhone? Best wishes, --greg On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Timothy Perrett timo...@getintheloop.euwrote: Glenn, I read with interest your mail below - to clarify, you've not been hammered by anyone... The lift comunity is a

[Lift] Re: Lift and interoperability

2009-05-15 Thread Timothy Perrett
Hey Greg, lol, indeed I did write that all on my iphone (hence some crappy spelling mistakes!) Cheers, Tim On May 15, 11:53 am, Meredith Gregory lgreg.mered...@gmail.com wrote: Tim, i'm really impressed -- you typed all that on you iPhone? Best wishes, --greg On Thu, May 14, 2009 at

[Lift] Re: Lift and interoperability

2009-05-14 Thread glenn
On May 11, 9:59 pm, Meredith Gregory lgreg.mered...@gmail.com wrote: Glen, i've done some really hare-brained integrations -- like chaining the Lift filter with the Jersey filter -- and a bunch of other stuff. Between Lift's architecture and Scala's brilliant interop with Java, it's

[Lift] Re: Lift and interoperability

2009-05-14 Thread glenn
I appreciate all the comments on lift and interoperability. What I'm hearing is that if an integration can be done in a plain old Java EE application, it can be done in lift. I never doubted that. It's just that I was hoping for a little transparency when it comes to resource management. If I

[Lift] Re: Lift and interoperability

2009-05-14 Thread Meredith Gregory
Glenn, i'm not sure i've understood your concern. Are you saying that - web requests - lift are easy, but - lift - other services (web or otherwise) are hard? The latter direction is remarkably easy. Lift rests on top of Scala, Scala seamlessly interops with Java. So, anything you can do

[Lift] Re: Lift and interoperability

2009-05-14 Thread David Pollak
Glenn, On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:39 PM, glenn gl...@exmbly.com wrote: I appreciate all the comments on lift and interoperability. What I'm hearing is that if an integration can be done in a plain old Java EE application, it can be done in lift. I never doubted that. It's just that I was

[Lift] Re: Lift and interoperability

2009-05-14 Thread glenn
I've been hammered on this matter and I accept the results and learned some things in the process. In the end, what we end up with is a Java EE web application, with all the good and all the baggage that entails, and I rather like lift's templating strategy and out-of-the-box persistence

[Lift] Re: Lift and interoperability

2009-05-14 Thread Timothy Perrett
Glenn, I read with interest your mail below - to clarify, you've not been hammered by anyone... The lift comunity is a welcoming one and at no point would any member of the commit team shout down someone else - that's just not the way we roll. You expressed a viewpoint, and 4 seperate

[Lift] Re: Lift and interoperability

2009-05-11 Thread David Pollak
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 1:06 PM, glenn gl...@exmbly.com wrote: Just some observations from a struggling lift user... Yes, I see it's utility in delivering dynamic html to the browser. But in today's world of rapidly evolving technologies for mashups and flex- like richness and

[Lift] Re: Lift and interoperability

2009-05-11 Thread Alex Boisvert
Hi Glenn, I don't understand where you're coming from either... I've integrated Lift with a different persistence layer (home-grown), another authentication system (Tempo RBAC), integrated it with existing Java libraries and Spring MVC components without trouble. So far, I haven't run into a

[Lift] Re: Lift and interoperability

2009-05-11 Thread Timothy Perrett
Could agree more with Alex - I too have done some pretty sophisticated integrations with 3rd party systems and at every stage I found the life-cycle hooks into lift very rich and completely empowering. Cheers, Tim On May 11, 11:31 pm, Alex Boisvert boisv...@intalio.com wrote: Hi Glenn, I

[Lift] Re: Lift and interoperability

2009-05-11 Thread Meredith Gregory
Glen, i've done some really hare-brained integrations -- like chaining the Lift filter with the Jersey filter -- and a bunch of other stuff. Between Lift's architecture and Scala's brilliant interop with Java, it's definitely my weapon of choice for integration projects. That said, i would