Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org writes:
Graham Percival writes:
What's depressing? I didn't see anything unusual in those
comments.
I would not use the word depressing, but I cannot help wondering
why someone would think that, anno 2009, using musixtex would
be a good idea, and needs
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes:
On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 10:22:57AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote:
Absolutely. I'll just point out where one person who tried out Lilypond
was innocently transparent in his bewilderment that anyone would call
out fis in the key of D, and
David Kastrup writes:
Also, it is saddening to read a senior consultant with a PhD
suggest the use of a proprietary software package.
It is the job of a consultant to recommend a reliable way of turning
money into success. Would you buy a car without gas tank opening? Oh,
this car does
David Kastrup writes:
They shun LilyPond for all the wrong reasons.
Well, the wrong reasons are easily countered. And as long as they don't
identify the good reasons to avoid LilyPond, we can hopefully fix some
of them before they find out ;-)
Jan
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Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org wrote:
You imagine that he receives some kind of revenue from suggesting the
use of proprietary software and that for this particular blog, it was
more lucrative to suggest Sibelius; otherwise he would just as
convincingly
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 11:30 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote:
Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org writes:
Man, am I naive. I do see now what you find depressing about this.
How can we ever hope to get people to suggest LilyPond; by merit
only?!
They won't give up their working cars and
David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes:
They won't give up their working cars and their mechanics. We need to
offer something new. And new business models (like transpose-on-demand
with electronic or overnight delivery when the soloist would be
inconvenienced by wrong pitches). Ultimately
Keith OHara k-ohara5...@oco.net writes:
David Kastrup dak at gnu.org writes:
I proposed already at one point of time to require writing 4.0 rather
than 4. for the floating point number. This will not cure a lot of use
cases, and we still have the ambiguity between 4 the duration and 4 the
Keith OHara k-ohara5...@oco.net writes:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:47:18 -0700, Trevor Daniels
t.dani...@treda.co.uk wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2012 02:54:38 -0700, Trevor Daniels
t.dani...@treda.co.uk wrote:
There are many places in LilyPond now where delimiters are necessary
to resolve certain
On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 10:22:57AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote:
Absolutely. I'll just point out where one person who tried out Lilypond
was innocently transparent in his bewilderment that anyone would call
out fis in the key of D, and quietly denote the unusual F-natural as f.
On 03/09/12 14:18, David Kastrup wrote:
I don't have a good answer here, and I am not particularly happy with
suggesting that the work I end up doing will not likely be shaped much
by committee or community decisions but rather mostly by my own
conscience and programmer instincts. Which, in
On 06/09/12 11:48, Graham Percival wrote:
What's depressing? I didn't see anything unusual in those
comments.
I suppose it's a bit depressing that no one pointed out why it matters that you
enter exact pitch names and don't infer accidentals from the key signature.
(I.e., how do you
Graham Percival writes:
What's depressing? I didn't see anything unusual in those
comments.
I would not use the word depressing, but I cannot help wondering
why someone would think that, anno 2009, using musixtex would
be a good idea, and needs to blog about it and get comments
to find out
Message: 1
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2012 16:25:49 +0200
From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org
To: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca
Cc: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org, lilypond-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: how to make decisions?
Message-ID: 878vcnp6s2@nlvehvbe01nb29b.ddns.nl-htc01.nxp.com
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Joseph Rushton Wakeling
joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net wrote:
On 03/09/12 14:18, David Kastrup wrote:
I don't have a good answer here, and I am not particularly happy with
suggesting that the work I end up doing will not likely be shaped much
by committee or
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk wrote:
So what problems do the users have, exactly? We should address this
question first.
[...]
But if we are to have a discussion about syntax let's first list the problems
we need to solve, and reach agreement on which
Trevor Daniels t.daniels at treda.co.uk writes:
So what problems do the users have, exactly? We should address this
question first. Janek apparently has his list, which would be a good start.
But we should not invent problems where they don't exist. I've probably
read every email on the
Janek Warchoł janek.lilypond at gmail.com writes:
I think that for the next several weeks we should focus on gathering
information about the /problems/ people have. Not the ideas for
solutions. Problems.
For example,
in { a \parenthesize b \mf c d } it's confusing what gets
Keith OHara wrote Wednesday, September 05, 2012 9:59 AM
I generally agree. But I also have sympathy for the desire to first clarify
some broader questions -- such as, in which /direction/ to straighten out
the
parser when user problems require changes to the parser.
The broad
Keith OHara k-ohara5...@oco.net writes:
The readable \tempo Adagio 4. = 30~40 lacks the delimiters that most
computer-entry formats require, which made it unusable in a \midi
block for many years -- because LilyPond accepts decimal-point numbers
in the midi block, for probably another good
(sorry, Keith, forgot to cc the list)
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Keith OHara k-ohara5...@oco.net wrote:
The broad question is: Require delimiters to clarify context (for users,
LilyPond, and software importing LilyPond) -- more or less?
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Trevor Daniels
I'd say we could have a movable do for this purpose:
\movableDo { \key d \major do re mi fa sol la si do } == \key d
\major d e fis g a b cis d
we have it, called transpose. and we really need all features of
transpose to tell the octave correctly.
p
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk wrote:
If I missed your point, can you state it more explicitly?
I can see now my point was not stated clearly. It was:
At this stage in the discussions it is important to be clear about what
problems we are trying to
2012/9/4 Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk:
So what problems do the users have, exactly? We should address this
question first. Janek apparently has his list, which would be a good start.
But we should not invent problems where they don't exist. I've probably
read every email on the user
Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com writes:
2012/9/4 Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk:
So what problems do the users have, exactly? We should address this
question first. Janek apparently has his list, which would be a good start.
But we should not invent problems where they don't
On Wed, 05 Sep 2012 02:54:38 -0700, Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk
wrote:
Keith OHara wrote Wednesday, September 05, 2012 9:59 AM
The broad question is: Require delimiters to clarify context (for users,
LilyPond, and software importing LilyPond) -- more or less?
There are many places
Keith OHara wrote Wednesday, September 05, 2012 10:44 PM
On Wed, 05 Sep 2012 02:54:38 -0700, Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk
wrote:
There are many places in LilyPond now where delimiters are necessary
to resolve certain situations but are not generally mandatory.
My brain is maybe
On Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:47:18 -0700, Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk
wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2012 02:54:38 -0700, Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk
wrote:
There are many places in LilyPond now where delimiters are necessary
to resolve certain situations but are not generally mandatory.
Francisco Vila paconet.org at gmail.com writes:
For newcomers, the whole paradigm is a challenge. However, once they
have the basics, musicians can learn the rules.
\offtopic {
[...]
} % off-topic.
I found your \offtopic section, Francisco, to be quite relevant to the topic in
fact.
David Kastrup dak at gnu.org writes:
I proposed already at one point of time to require writing 4.0 rather
than 4. for the floating point number. This will not cure a lot of use
cases, and we still have the ambiguity between 4 the duration and 4 the
integer, and -4 the fingering and -4 the
David Kastrup wrote Monday, September 03, 2012 2:44 PM
Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk writes:
Graham Percival wrote Monday, September 03, 2012 1:00 PM
I don't know where to go from here. I spend a lot of effort
trying to organize such discussions, because I think that LilyPond
is
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 5:03 AM, Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk wrote:
I don't know where to go from here. I spend a lot of effort
trying to organize such discussions, because I think that LilyPond
is a community project. I think that we should encourage people
to participate, but
Han-Wen, you wrote Tuesday, September 04, 2012 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: how to make decisions?
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 5:03 AM, Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk wrote:
David, it wasn't anything /you/ said; it was Han-Wen's reply which
dismissed my cautionary offering as bed-shedding
On Mon, Sep 03, 2012 at 01:24:22AM -0300, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Graham Percival
gra...@percival-music.ca wrote:
The meta-target is after spending 5 years very publicly
telling people *not* to talk about changing the syntax because
we would do so 'in a
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes:
On Mon, Sep 03, 2012 at 01:24:22AM -0300, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Graham Percival
gra...@percival-music.ca wrote:
The meta-target is after spending 5 years very publicly
telling people *not* to talk about
Graham Percival wrote Monday, September 03, 2012 1:00 PM
That proposal became:
http://lilypond.org/~graham/gop/gop_4.html
I don't know where to go from here. I spend a lot of effort
trying to organize such discussions, because I think that LilyPond
is a community project. I think that
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Graham Percival
gra...@percival-music.ca wrote:
On Mon, Sep 03, 2012 at 01:24:22AM -0300, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Graham Percival
gra...@percival-music.ca wrote:
The meta-target is after spending 5 years very publicly
telling
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:18 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote:
[..]
Thanks for saying all of this; I think it has been very well put.
I don't have a good answer here, and I am not particularly happy with
suggesting that the work I end up doing will not likely be shaped much
by committee
Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk writes:
Graham Percival wrote Monday, September 03, 2012 1:00 PM
That proposal became:
http://lilypond.org/~graham/gop/gop_4.html
I don't know where to go from here. I spend a lot of effort
trying to organize such discussions, because I think that
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Han-Wen Nienhuys hanw...@gmail.com wrote:
Part of my beef with the GOP mediated discussion here is that just me
and David have a grasp of how things work. Get more people
knowledgeable and there can be discussion.
Well, is there a better ways for us (other
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes:
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Han-Wen Nienhuys hanw...@gmail.com wrote:
Part of my beef with the GOP mediated discussion here is that just me
and David have a grasp of how things work. Get more people
knowledgeable and there can be discussion.
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