Re: GOP2-3 - GLISS or not

2012-07-26 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Tuesday, July 24, 2012 10:09 AM ** Summary Let’s decide whether to try to stabilize the syntax or not. We /should/ try to stabilize the syntax, but trying to do this at exactly the time when David is straightening out the parser seems a bad idea. As yet we do not know

Re: Syntax change proposal:

2012-07-26 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Thursday, July 26, 2012 10:01 AM Keith OHara k-ohara5...@oco.net writes: If I make a function \dichrom3D { c4 d e f } 3.7 that engraves a passage so that the notes appear to float 3.7 staff-spaces above the paper when viewed with red/cyan 3D glasses, then if I

Re: Syntax change proposal:

2012-07-26 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Thursday, July 26, 2012 11:12 AM Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk writes: David Kastrup wrote Thursday, July 26, 2012 10:01 AM Keith OHara k-ohara5...@oco.net writes: If I make a function \dichrom3D { c4 d e f } 3.7 that engraves a passage so

Re: Syntax change proposal:

2012-07-26 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Thursday, July 26, 2012 6:03 PM It's much simpler than that. Expressions are greedy: what can become a part of them, will. For that reason, it may make sense to enclose simple music in braces, or it is likely to integrate durations and postevents not intended for it.

Re: Syntax change proposal:

2012-07-26 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Thursday, July 26, 2012 9:16 PM Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk writes: David Kastrup wrote Thursday, July 26, 2012 6:03 PM It's much simpler than that. Expressions are greedy: what can become a part of them, will. For that reason, it may make sense to enclose

Re: Using MSH Paris Nord server

2012-07-24 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Tuesday, July 24, 2012 10:55 PM grenouille.lilynet.net. I like it. Definitely better than crapaud which has an unfortunate connotation to English-speakers. Trevor ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org

Re: GOP2-2b - Stable 2.16.x releases (dictator)

2012-07-19 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Tuesday, July 17, 2012 6:32 AM http://lilypond.org/~graham/gop/gop_3.html *** Summary Let’s appoint David Kastrup as the “benevolent dictator” of the stable/2.16 git branch. [etc] I'm content with this proposal. Trevor

Re: Syntax change proposal:

2012-07-19 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Monday, July 16, 2012 9:18 AM Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 02:02:31AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: One really ugly problem is interpreting things like 4.. Looks like a duration, but then we have

Re: Syntax change proposal:

2012-07-19 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:43 PM Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk writes: David Kastrup wrote Monday, July 16, 2012 9:18 AM Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 02:02:31AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: One really ugly problem

Re: Syntax change proposal:

2012-07-19 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:18 PM The original proposal was to rule out 0. and .5 as real numbers. This will introduce foreseen problems: things will break where those had been used (there are definitely uses of 0. in our own code base but not for .5). A few of those

Re: Syntax change proposal:

2012-07-19 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:53 PM Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk writes: David Kastrup wrote Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:18 PM \relative c' { b = 4. } (quick: can you guess what this does?). :) Well, I guessed correctly the 4. would be interpreted as a duration

Re: Snippet deletion countdown

2012-07-16 Thread Trevor Daniels
Phil Holmes wrote Monday, July 16, 2012 4:09 PM http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=190. Even with the segno not being shifted off the left of the page, I don't understand what this demonstrates. If I was given this to sing, I wouldn't have a clue.

Re: Snippet deletion countdown

2012-07-16 Thread Trevor Daniels
Phil Holmes wrote Monday, July 16, 2012 5:35 PM From: Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk To: Phil Holmes em...@philholmes.net; Devel lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 4:37 PM Subject: Re: Snippet deletion countdown Phil Holmes wrote Monday, July 16, 2012 4:09 PM http

Re: Stable 2.16 releases (dictator)

2012-07-14 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:30 AM Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: Let’s appoint David Kastrup as the “benevolent dictator” of the stable/2.16 git branch. I'm happy to go along with this. It's hardly a policy, but it will definitely move things along!

Re: clear policy discussions

2012-07-13 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Friday, July 13, 2012 4:27 PM Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: This is important, too, because Graham won't always be the Project Manager. It's also not guaranteed that there'll always be an experienced developer with sufficient time to handle release

Re: Problem with uploading patch

2012-07-13 Thread Trevor Daniels
Phil Holmes wrote Friday, July 13, 2012 5:56 PM From: Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@googlemail.com What should I do? Run the command git cl issue 6352049 and then repeat git cl upload git cl needs to be told the issue number on Rietveld, if it's different from the most

Re: Doc: Update changing context default settings (2322) (issue 6345086)

2012-07-12 Thread Trevor Daniels
d...@gnu.org wrote Thursday, July 12, 2012 10:35 AM On 2012/07/12 09:31:40, Trevor Daniels wrote: http://codereview.appspot.com/6345086/diff/5001/Documentation/notation/changing-defaults.itely#newcode844 Documentation/notation/changing-defaults.itely:844: \override Stem #'thickness = #4.0

Re: Issue 2648 in lilypond: Repeat Dots and Staff Size in 2.15.41

2012-07-10 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Tuesday, July 10, 2012 12:21 PM tdaniels...@gmail.com: Repeat Dots and Staff Size in 2.15.41 http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2648 This bug first appeared in 2.15.40, so is a critical regression. I mean, we have too few categories for regressions. I

Re: Issue 2648 in lilypond: Repeat Dots and Staff Size in 2.15.41

2012-07-10 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Tuesday, July 10, 2012 1:19 PM Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk writes: We have the technology to identify the commits that introduce bugs fairly easily. Perhaps once the first release candidate is made we simply say any commit that introduced a critical

Re: Regression test rater

2012-07-10 Thread Trevor Daniels
Phil Holmes wrote Tuesday, July 10, 2012 12:03 PM Kind-of fixed. The way the files are presented is aimed at ensuring no-one rates a regtest more than once, and that they get the least-rated files presented to them in a random order. The only way I seem to be able to get this to work is

Re: Issue 2648 in lilypond: Repeat Dots and Staff Size in 2.15.41

2012-07-10 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Tuesday, July 10, 2012 4:33 PM Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk writes: David Kastrup wrote Tuesday, July 10, 2012 1:19 PM Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk writes: We have the technology to identify the commits that introduce bugs fairly easily. Perhaps

Re: 2 - Stable releases and roadmap (radical change)

2012-07-10 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Tuesday, June 26, 2012 9:55 PM *** Summary Let’s drop the “any unintended change” thing, and go totally with the regression tests. Tests pass? We can make a stable release. Also, let’s have an official roadmap. Rather than discussing each point separately below I

Re: Document use of alignAboveContext and alignBelowContext (issue 6353079)

2012-07-09 Thread Trevor Daniels
gra...@percival-music.ca wrote Monday, July 09, 2012 5:55 AM Ignore my other message that talked about using git-cl to upload an edited patch; I hadn't noticed that you did that here. OK. It was not worth the effort for a two-word change. I uploaded a new patch-set here as the changes were

Re: Repeat Dots and Staff Size in 2.15.41

2012-07-09 Thread Trevor Daniels
My first reply, identifying this bug as a regression ... - Original Message - From: Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk To: David Stocker notesetters...@gmail.com; lilypond-u...@gnu.org Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 12:48 PM Subject: Re: Repeat Dots and Staff Size in 2.15.41 Damn

Fw: Repeat Dots and Staff Size in 2.15.41

2012-07-09 Thread Trevor Daniels
My second reply, identifying a possible source of the bug. Trevor - Original Message - From: Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk To: Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk; David Stocker notesetters...@gmail.com; lilypond-u...@gnu.org Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 12:52 PM Subject: Re

Re: Cross-staff stems again

2012-07-08 Thread Trevor Daniels
Phil Holmes wrote Sunday, July 08, 2012 4:43 PM As I said in an earlier mail, I'd like to include the cross-staff stem functions that Pavel developed as a part of standard lily functionality. It relies on quite a bit of scheme and a final function like this: crossStaff =

Re: Cross-staff stems again

2012-07-08 Thread Trevor Daniels
Phil Holmes wrote Sunday, July 08, 2012 9:13 PM From: Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk To: Phil Holmes em...@philholmes.net; Devel lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 9:05 PM Subject: Re: Cross-staff stems again music-functions-init.ly looks good. You'll need to add

Re: [Lilypond-auto] Issue 2540 in lilypond: Patch: Give \tweakanoptional grob parameter for tweaking indirect grobs

2012-07-07 Thread Trevor Daniels
David, you wrote Saturday, July 07, 2012 5:13 AM Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk writes: Although I should have noticed the error when git cl asked me to confirm the issue number, why did it pick the wrong one initially? How does it make its initial guess? Simple enough. It looks

Re: [Lilypond-auto] Issue 2557 in lilypond: alignAboveContextwasremoved from the NR

2012-07-07 Thread Trevor Daniels
Trevor Daniels wrote Friday, July 06, 2012 11:18 AM I'll tart it up a bit and add it to the LSR shortly. Added to LSR as Creating a short ossia section with lyrics Trevor ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org

Re: [Lilypond-auto] Issue 2540 in lilypond: Patch: Give \tweak an optional grob parameter for tweaking indirect grobs

2012-07-06 Thread Trevor Daniels
This is interesting. This should refer to issue 2560, as correctly entered in the commit message, but git cl for some reason selected issue 2540, and I failed to notice the error, and even copied it when composing my text. As I'm still feeling my way with the new (for me) git cl, could someone

Re: [Lilypond-auto] Issue 2540 in lilypond: Patch: Give \tweak anoptional grob parameter for tweaking indirect grobs

2012-07-06 Thread Trevor Daniels
Trevor Daniels wrote Friday, July 06, 2012 11:21 PM This is interesting. This should refer to issue 2560, as correctly entered in the commit message, but git cl for some reason selected issue 2540, and I failed to notice the error, and even copied it when composing my text. Although I

Help with git rebase recovery, please

2012-07-04 Thread Trevor Daniels
I just made a mistake with git rebase and lost a branch I'd like to recover, but I don't know how or even if it is possible. Here's what I did. I checked out branch A then entered git rebase master This gave merge conflicts, and the usual three options. I decided not to resolve the merge

Re: git-cl under Windows

2012-07-04 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Tuesday, July 03, 2012 9:26 PM Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk writes: $ git cl upload master WARNING: terminal is not fully functional Documentation/notation/input.itely | 56 + 1 files changed, 56 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-) 'vi

Re: Help with git rebase recovery, please

2012-07-04 Thread Trevor Daniels
John Mandereau wrote Wednesday, July 04, 2012 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Help with git rebase recovery, please Il giorno mer, 04/07/2012 alle 10.31 +0100, Trevor Daniels ha scritto: So, can I now recover my original branch A? Look at what git reflog says, pick out the truncated committish

Re: git-cl under Windows

2012-07-04 Thread Trevor Daniels
Trevor Daniels wrote Tuesday, July 03, 2012 11:49 PM But some changes to git-cl were necessary to run under Windows, even with 2.7. I'll document these more clearly tomorrow. Here's what I found necessary, or at least the easiest way, to run git-cl under Windows. Surprisingly easy

git-cl under Windows

2012-07-03 Thread Trevor Daniels
Has anyone managed to run git-cl under Windows successfully? The version from github.com/gperciva/git-cl.git ships without the readline module. It is not required for Unixes as it is included with Unix python, I believe. But it is not included with the Windows version of python. There is a

Re: git-cl under Windows

2012-07-03 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Tuesday, July 03, 2012 4:34 PM Namely, git-cl first tries importing readline unconditionally, then it tries importing it again conditionally. That does not look all too clever. Perhaps removing the unconditional import is all that is needed? Yes, this seems to bypass

Re: git-cl under Windows

2012-07-03 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Tuesday, July 03, 2012 10:46 PM Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 10:26:18PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk writes: Description empty; aborting. That just means that git-cl called what

Re: git-cl under Windows

2012-07-03 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Tuesday, July 03, 2012 2:36 PM On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 11:40:58AM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: The version from github.com/gperciva/git-cl.git ships without the readline module. It is not required for Unixes as it is included with Unix python, I believe. Hmm

Re: which-page (issue 6352049)

2012-06-29 Thread Trevor Daniels
Thomas Morley wrote Friday, June 29, 2012 10:32 AM Of course all features (old and new) should be documented. But, AFAICT, non of the possibilities offered in /ly/titling-init.ly (i.e. first-page, last-page, not-first-page, part-last-page) is documented anywhere in LM or NR. Well, they

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August! (was: GOP2: 0 - why are we losingdevelopers? (discuss responses))

2012-06-26 Thread Trevor Daniels
Colin Hall wrote Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:44 PM On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 06:26:34PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: Mailing list arguments are a trickier issue. It???s clearly a big problem, but this isn???t something we can fix by waving a

Re: [GOP2-0] why are we losing developers? a pseudo-anonymous survey

2012-06-17 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:52 AM If you were a lilypond developer at any point in time, was your motivation to work on lilypond reduced due to problematic reasons which you are comfortable sharing with us in this pseudo-anonymous fashion? What were those reasons or the

Re: LoMus 2012

2012-05-13 Thread Trevor Daniels
m...@mikesolomon.org From: Thierry Coduys thierry.cod...@le-hub.org The jury wishes to congratulate you on your LilyPond open source software, that won the First Prize at the LoMus 2012 contest. A cheque or bank transfer of 2000 € will be sent to you by the AFIM w00t! Mazal

Re: Dictionary for musical terms in Lilypond

2012-05-09 Thread Trevor Daniels
Łukasz Czerwiński wrote Sunday, April 29, 2012 12:18 PM Thanks all three of you for your immediate reply! :) I didn't know about the glossary. One problem with it is that for musical terms, except for notes and rests, it works only it the opposite direction: English - other language, while

Re: Substitute for s1*0

2012-05-08 Thread Trevor Daniels
Keith OHara wrote Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:48 AM Trevor Daniels t.daniels at treda.co.uk writes: Yes, I now agree. We can't continue to advocate s1*0 in the docs now we are aware of these pitfalls. I suggest we mention that takes no time in NR 1.5.1 Chorded Notes, but avoid

Re: Substitute for s1*0

2012-05-08 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:06 AM Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk writes: Keith OHara wrote Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:48 AM I suggest we mention that takes no time in NR 1.5.1 Chorded Notes, but avoid it in the examples. Most of the visible uses of s1*0 in the docs

Re: Substitute for s1*0

2012-05-07 Thread Trevor Daniels
James wrote Monday, May 07, 2012 9:11 AM Also isn't this a really a GLISS topic? No. You miss the point: we're not talking about something new: has been valid syntax for years, but its semantics are not documented. They should be. Trevor

Re: Substitute for s1*0

2012-05-07 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Monday, May 07, 2012 10:29 AM Leaving that question aside, we're talking about the preferred method of having something which does not tamper with the current duration but does take post-events. A number of people think that is the ideal tool for a non-duration

Re: Substitute for s1*0

2012-05-07 Thread Trevor Daniels
Nicolas Sceaux wrote Monday, May 07, 2012 8:32 PM Le 7 mai 2012 à 13:58, David Kastrup a écrit : \relative c' { e2\p\ d\ s1*0\! } \addlyrics { Oh no } \relative c' { e2\p\ d\ \! } \addlyrics { Oh yes } I think that closes the s1*0 vs. debate. Because of its unexpected side effects, the

Re: Substitute for s1*0

2012-05-06 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Sunday, May 06, 2012 2:57 AM In fact, isn't generally prettier than s1*0? Should we be using it in code and documentation rather than s1*0? Definitely prettier, but maybe not so transparent as s1*0. It is not intuitively obvious that an empty chord takes no time and

Re: Substitute for s1*0

2012-05-06 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Sunday, May 06, 2012 9:34 AM Quick: tell me what you would expect without too much thinking (imagine you are a naive user) from the following: \new Staff \relative c'' { c4 d e f s1*0-\markup Oops c d e f g1 } \\ \relative c' { c4 d e f -\markup Wow c d e f g1 } That's

Re: Substitute for s1*0

2012-05-06 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Sunday, May 06, 2012 4:44 PM Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk writes: Actually, I don't think s1*0 appears in the docs. Documentation/notation/vocal.itely: s1*0^\markup { \right-align { \tiny Flute } } Documentation/notation/vocal.itely: s1*0_\markup { \right

Re: Substitute for s1*0

2012-05-06 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Sunday, May 06, 2012 10:24 PM I'm still not happy with an empty chord, especially in the Learning Manual. I think it leads to the perlization of lilypond, where we end up looking like a ridiculous language like Haskell. My point really is that exists now, so there

Re: Doc: NR clarified \footnote command as a TextScript (issue 6137050)

2012-05-04 Thread Trevor Daniels
d...@gnu.org wrote Friday, May 04, 2012 8:43 PM Ok, everybody will love me for my late thinking again. But here we go: :) we have two cases of footnotes: one that will attach itself to whatever happens at a given point of time, being an independent event. I propose we _always_ let them

Re: LoMuS

2012-04-27 Thread Trevor Daniels
Werner LEMBERG wrote Friday, April 27, 2012 6:29 AM I've received a couple e-mails from colleagues and one nudge from Valentin about: http://concours.afim-asso.org/ Aah, very nice! Yes, participating in this contest would be a good thing; and thanks for your offer to writing up the

Re: LoMuS

2012-04-27 Thread Trevor Daniels
m...@apollinemike.com wrote Friday, April 27, 2012 8:39 AM On 27 avr. 2012, at 09:33, Trevor Daniels wrote: But it seems the closing date has passed - wasn't it 25 April? It's extended till the 29th. Ah, good! If they needed to do that the chance of winning is somewhat increased

Re: 30 day webathon for kickstarter support (issue 6068045)

2012-04-26 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:07 AM The Birmingham Amateur Theatre is presenting Penzance Pirates, starring our documentation editor Trevor Daniels as the talking lion![1] [1] this is (probably) not true. Amazingly, there's an element of truth in it. Read Bicester

Re: GSoC

2012-04-23 Thread Trevor Daniels
Carl Sorensen wrote Monday, April 23, 2012 9:40 PM Congratulations on having your Lyrics project accepted for Google Summer of Code! Wow, congratulations from me too! You really did put the hours in to generate a great submission - in the middle of your exams too - so you definitely

Re: Fixing height of Kievan bar line

2012-04-09 Thread Trevor Daniels
Aleksandr Andreev wrote Monday, April 09, 2012 12:39 AM Looks like the trick with stencil-whiteout does not work in all cases. Here are two examples. [snip] In the second example, the bar line is whited out. But in the first example, it isn't. Anyone have any pointers as to how to debug

Re: a Lyric Report (- my GSoC project)

2012-03-30 Thread Trevor Daniels
Hi Janek An impressive collection of suggested enhancements! I hope your exams don't suffer! Most look excellent to me, but I have comments on a couple of them which I'll add to the issues themselves. Trevor - Original Message - From: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com To:

Re: Various updates to reduce make doc output (issue 5727055)

2012-03-15 Thread Trevor Daniels
Phil Holmes wrote Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:59 AM From: Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk Carl Sorensen wrote Wednesday, March 14, 2012 6:01 PM So it would be nice to have a feature added to midi2ly that would automatically create voiceFive, voiceSix, etc. if needed. Exactly! Having

Re: Various updates to reduce make doc output (issue 5727055)

2012-03-14 Thread Trevor Daniels
Julien Rioux wrote Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:37 AM On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Phil Holmes em...@philholmes.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Julien Rioux julien.ri...@gmail.com To: Phil Holmes em...@philholmes.net The problem with this one is that Lilypond (like

Re: Various updates to reduce make doc output (issue 5727055)

2012-03-14 Thread Trevor Daniels
Phil Holmes wrote Wednesday, March 14, 2012 12:00 PM From: Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk To: Julien Rioux julien.ri...@gmail.com; Phil Holmes em...@philholmes.net Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org; re...@codereview-hr.appspotmail.com Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:41 AM Subject: Re

Re: Various updates to reduce make doc output (issue 5727055)

2012-03-14 Thread Trevor Daniels
Carl Sorensen wrote Wednesday, March 14, 2012 6:01 PM On 3/14/12 11:48 AM, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote: I've looked at midi2ly and it uses explicit instantiation of voices, which is what we normally advise. My understanding is that there are only 4 explicit voices - voiceFive does

Re: Doc: Learning: Use voices in the intended order. (issue 5507050)

2012-03-13 Thread Trevor Daniels
Keith, you wrote Tuesday, March 13, 2012 5:53 AM Subject: Re: Doc: Learning: Use voices in the intended order. (issue 5507050) On 2012/03/10 12:36:05, Trevor Daniels wrote: I could see no reason for this patch causing problems I had mis-spelled the option to ignore-collisions, which

Re: GUB success?

2012-03-11 Thread Trevor Daniels
Phil Holmes wrote Sunday, March 11, 2012 3:10 PM I think I have GUB running properly. I gave up trying to get it working on 64-bit Ubuntu and created a new VirtualBox VM with lilydev 1.1 as the OS. Congratulations! One of the select few! Trevor

Re: Further on regtests - 2.15.33

2012-03-11 Thread Trevor Daniels
Phil Holmes wrote Sunday, March 11, 2012 4:11 PM I've just run my pixel comparator and discovered that the regtest whiteout.ly has a habit of changing between releases - sometimes the not stem is there, sometimes it's whited out. The description says: The whiteout command underlays a

Re: Further on regtests - 2.15.33

2012-03-11 Thread Trevor Daniels
Trevor Daniels wrote Sunday, March 11, 2012 4:23 PM Phil Holmes wrote Sunday, March 11, 2012 4:11 PM I've just run my pixel comparator and discovered that the regtest whiteout.ly has a habit of changing between releases - sometimes the not stem is there, sometimes it's whited out. Seems

Re: Fixes to auxiliar/doc-section.sh

2012-03-10 Thread Trevor Daniels
Hi Phil, you wrote Saturday, March 10, 2012 10:16 AM Once you have a successful make doc, you might be surprised how little time it takes to remake to check changes now. On my admittedly quick machine, make -j9 CPU_COUNT=9 LANGS='' doc takes about 5 seconds. It's certainly a lot better than

Fixes to auxiliar/doc-section.sh

2012-03-09 Thread Trevor Daniels
I've just pushed some fixes to auxiliar/doc-section.sh to staging, as several things seemed to have gone wrong with it since I last used it. The script is intended to be used for quickly checking changes made to the English docs. It compiles a section of the docs to html in a minute or so

Re: old source tarballs

2012-03-02 Thread Trevor Daniels
Valentin, you wrote Friday, March 02, 2012 10:05 AM On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 12:29 AM, Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk wrote: Valentin - could they not be retrieved from backup if you ask nicely? I hope so, but Graham seemed to imply that there actually was NO backup. Surely

Re: Gets vertical skylines from grob stencils (issue 5626052)

2012-03-01 Thread Trevor Daniels
Janek Warchoł wrote Thursday, March 01, 2012 12:01 AM The bad news is that for scores containing a lot of lyrics (like my SATB pieces) compilation times are now 3-4 times longer than wiith master. For instrumental scores the situation look better, it's 1.5-2 times longer. I can live with

Re: old source tarballs

2012-03-01 Thread Trevor Daniels
Valentin Villenave wrote Thursday, March 01, 2012 11:05 PM On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: Umm, no? I mean, literally no? Other than the first+last releases of each stable branch, those files are gone. Then I'm sorry to hear that. In case my

Re: Implicit nonsense

2012-02-01 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Wednesday, February 01, 2012 7:00 AM Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk writes: David Kastrup wrote Tuesday, January 31, 2012 10:13 PM Any suggestion of how to do the documentation part of issue 2263 differently? That \new Voice sticks out like a wart. From

Re: Implicit nonsense

2012-01-31 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Tuesday, January 31, 2012 12:47 PM What would you expect the following to do? \new StaffGroup { \relative c' { \relative c' { c2 } c } } It does pretty much what I expected, but then I have been explaining the drawbacks of implicit contexts for some years now. I

Re: Implicit nonsense

2012-01-31 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Tuesday, January 31, 2012 2:31 PM Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk writes: No, me neither, but leaving Voice contexts to be implied usually works well, eg with Staff rather than StaffGroup. Why would you want to have the above end up in _two_ different voices

Re: Implicit nonsense

2012-01-31 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Tuesday, January 31, 2012 10:13 PM Any suggestion of how to do the documentation part of issue 2263 differently? That \new Voice sticks out like a wart. From Documentation/notation/simultaneous.itely (as proposed): Since nested instances of @code{\relative} don't affect

Re: Implicit nonsense

2012-01-31 Thread Trevor Daniels
Eluze wrote Tuesday, January 31, 2012 10:58 PM Trevor Daniels wrote: David Kastrup wrote Tuesday, January 31, 2012 2:31 PM Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk writes: No, me neither, but leaving Voice contexts to be implied usually works well, eg with Staff rather than StaffGroup. Why

Re: Summary of \relative { q } ... analysis.

2012-01-27 Thread Trevor Daniels
David, you wrote Friday, January 27, 2012 2:01 PM David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes: It would be possible to let q set a parser variable that will optimize this pass away when unset. The drawback would be that ChordRepeat events entering via different channels (#{ c e g q #} uses its own

Re: Stable release proposal

2012-01-17 Thread Trevor Daniels
Carl, Although I'm not a current developer, I'd like to comment. In general I agree, but with the caveats below: Carl Sorensen wrote Tuesday, January 17, 2012 1:27 AM So after hearing from most of the currently-active developers, I think a reasonable goal for 2.16 would be: 1) Work through

Re: lilypond-book windows 4

2012-01-15 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:23 AM I believe this will work out-of-the-box for any .TELY file, regardless of whether texi2pdf is in the path or not. Please test. http://lilypond.org/~graham/lilypond-2.15.25-4.mingw.exe Well, not quite. Two problems: 1. should be

Re: lilypond-book windows 5

2012-01-15 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham, you wrote Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:32 AM I believe this will at least produce the default line-widths out-of-the-box for any texinfo or latex file, regardless of whether texi2pdf is in the path or not. Please test. http://lilypond.org/~graham/lilypond-2.15.25-5.mingw.exe I

Re: windows lilypond-book.py

2012-01-14 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham, you wrote Saturday, January 14, 2012 8:07 AM I've just realized that I've been debugging this a very silly way; there's no reason to produce a new binary each time. Could somebody on windows send me lilypond-book.py ? I only need that file... actually, I only need the first 20 lines

Re: windows lilypond-book.py

2012-01-14 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham, you wrote Saturday, January 14, 2012 9:43 AM Excellent, we're in business. Please put the attached file in the same directory as lilypond-book, then run test-subprocess.py I expect 1 and 2 to work. If 3 works, we're golden. If 4 succeeds then something weirder than I think is

Re: windows lilypond-book.py

2012-01-14 Thread Trevor Daniels
Trevor Daniels wrote Saturday, January 14, 2012 10:31 AM Graham, you wrote Saturday, January 14, 2012 9:43 AM Excellent, we're in business. Please put the attached file in the same directory as lilypond-book, then run test-subprocess.py I expect 1 and 2 to work. If 3 works, we're golden

Re: windows lilypond-book.py

2012-01-14 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham, you wrote Saturday, January 14, 2012 10:38 AM ok, could you paste these 3 lines to the top of the main() function, then run the result? you'll need to CTRL-C when it gets to step 2, but if this looks ok (please check log.txt) then we're still good. cmd = dir log.txt ret =

Re: windows lilypond-book.py

2012-01-14 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Saturday, January 14, 2012 10:55 AM oh mao... ok, does window still have a C:\TEMP ? There's got to be some directory you can write to... if not, please create such a directory. I recommend C:\TEMP so that you don't need to type a lot. Hhm. There seems to be

Re: windows lilypond-book.py

2012-01-14 Thread Trevor Daniels
Trevor Daniels wrote Saturday, January 14, 2012 12:10 PM Having done that I then get $ python test-subprocess2.py Begin testing 7 0. return code: 0 sleep Traceback (most recent call last): File test-subprocess2.py, line 48, in ? main () File test-subprocess2.py, line 41, in main

Re: windows lilypond-book.py

2012-01-14 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham, you wrote Saturday, January 14, 2012 12:57 PM Please change line 36: cmd = sleep 1 dir into this: cmd = dir and try again? Done; no change. I don't think that was the problem - it'd got past that and printed sleep from line 40. It seems to be choking on line 41 -

Re: windows lilypond-book.py

2012-01-14 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham, you wrote Saturday, January 14, 2012 2:57 PM ok, here's a new method. os.system() seems much more reliable than subprocess for python 2.4.2 in windows, so let's see if we can get that working. Yes, I think that's how Reinhold fixed a similar problem with subprocess a year or two

Re: lilypond-book -2

2012-01-13 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham, you wrote Friday, January 13, 2012 8:41 AM As a cheap experiment, could you add this: ### EXPERIMENTAL HACK: see if this makes mingw behave better? time.sleep(1) immediately between the proc = ... and (parameter_string, error_string) = proc.communicate () lines? oh, and

Re: lilypond-book 3

2012-01-13 Thread Trevor Daniels
Sorry for the late response - my mail provider lost one of his RAID drives this morning, so I had no mail for some hours. Graham, you wrote Friday, January 13, 2012 9:02 AM I believe that this should work out of the box on any windows computer which does **NOT** have texi2pdf or texi2dvi

Re: lilypond-book -2

2012-01-12 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham, you wrote Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:22 AM I expect to have that sleep(0.001) error. I do not expect any other errors. http://lilypond.org/~graham/lilypond-2.15.25-2.mingw.exe What's the exact error you see when you try this one? I know/expect that it barfs in threading.py, but

Re: lilypond-book on windows

2012-01-11 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Wednesday, January 11, 2012 6:21 AM Please test this version: http://lilypond.org/~graham/lilypond-2.15.25-1.mingw.exe add it to your PATH, then me exactly what you see when you try to call lilypond-book. Running lilypond-book lilypond-book.py (GNU LilyPond) 2.15.25

Re: lilypond-book on windows

2012-01-11 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham, you wrote Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:43 AM Just as a quick check of the ridiculous: could you open up lilypond-book.py and confirm that line 213 is: stdout=subprocess.PIPE, stderr=subprocess.PIPE) there might be an off-by-one thing happening. Yes it is. if that's the

Re: lilypond-book on windows

2012-01-11 Thread Trevor Daniels
Trevor Daniels wrote Running lilypond-book lilypond-book.py (GNU LilyPond) 2.15.25 Reading C:/Users/Trevor/LilyPond-git/Documentation/notation/contemporary.itely.. . Running texi2pdf on file c:\users\trevor\appdata\local\temp\tmpt4vqnk.texi to de tect default page settings. Traceback

Re: lilypond-book on windows

2012-01-11 Thread Trevor Daniels
Julien Rioux I would try removing one-by-one the arguments from the subprocess.Popen call, e.g., remove universal_newlines=True, remove shell=True, remove stderr=subprocess.PIPE, etc. one-by-one. See if you get further. Yes, I tried this earlier. Setting universal_newlines False bypasses

Re: lilypond-book on windows

2012-01-11 Thread Trevor Daniels
Phil Holmes wrote Wednesday, January 11, 2012 5:34 PM I'd be a little wary of simply making this work on Windows by commenting code out, without ensuring there is no effect on other platforms. I'd be even more wary of doing this in a Python delivered file. It'd be a shame to break the doc

Re: lilypond-book on windows

2012-01-11 Thread Trevor Daniels
Trevor Daniels wrote Wednesday, January 11, 2012 6:49 PM To carry things to their logical conclusion I'm installing MikTeX to see if it is possible to make Reinhold's code work as intended on Windows. Even if it does, I could not recommend downloading 167Mbytes of MikTeX just to pick up

Re: lilypond-book on windows

2012-01-11 Thread Trevor Daniels
Trevor Daniels wrote Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:23 PM Well, MikTex contains texi2dvi.exe, so I renamed this to texi2pdf.exe and added its directory to the MinGW path. lilypond-book and Reinhold's code then seems to work correctly, provided I comment out the _sleep call in threading.py

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