Re: critical issues

2013-03-27 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2656 This is really bad. I agree that it is critical. I unfortunately have no way to test this, but do people have an ETA for fixing this? If not, it will hold 2.18 up

Re: critical issues

2013-03-27 Thread David Kastrup
m...@mikesolomon.org m...@mikesolomon.org writes: There are two critical issues that we're going to have to start seriously thinking about now if 2.18 is going to happen anytime soon: https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2733 I'm not comfortable marking this critical

critical issues

2013-03-26 Thread m...@mikesolomon.org
There are two critical issues that we're going to have to start seriously thinking about now if 2.18 is going to happen anytime soon: https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2733 I'm not comfortable marking this critical: not because it is not critical for Laura, nor because it may

Re: critical issues

2013-03-26 Thread Werner LEMBERG
https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2656 This is really bad. I agree that it is critical. I unfortunately have no way to test this, but do people have an ETA for fixing this? If not, it will hold 2.18 up for a long time, in which it may be worth pushing the translate_axis

Re: critical issues

2013-03-26 Thread m...@mikesolomon.org
On 27 mars 2013, at 07:54, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2656 This is really bad. I agree that it is critical. I unfortunately have no way to test this, but do people have an ETA for fixing this? If not, it will hold 2.18 up for

Re: no critical issues!

2012-04-07 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: On Fri, Apr 06, 2012 at 06:04:39PM +0200, m...@apollinemike.com wrote: Release candidate anyone?  Or have we already had a version bump?  I can build it, Graham, if you're over hours. It's already building.

no critical issues!

2012-04-06 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
Release candidate anyone? Or have we already had a version bump? I can build it, Graham, if you're over hours. Cheers, MS ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: no critical issues!

2012-04-06 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Apr 06, 2012 at 06:04:39PM +0200, m...@apollinemike.com wrote: Release candidate anyone? Or have we already had a version bump? I can build it, Graham, if you're over hours. It's already building. I've been trying to build it for the past few days, but I can only do it after booting

Re: critical issues

2012-01-11 Thread Łukasz Czerwiński
Thanks for all answers. On 8 January 2012 23:47, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote: W dniu 8 stycznia 2012 10:11 użytkownik James pkx1...@gmail.com napisał: Start by looking here:

Re: critical issues

2012-01-09 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: According to our motto the aim of LilyPond is music engraving to everyone - i'd say it's a very good goal. It would mean that a person with average computer skills (like navigating a web browser and using word processor) should be able to create

Re: critical issues

2012-01-08 Thread James
Hello, 2012/1/8 Łukasz Czerwiński milimet...@gmail.com: What's the aim of Lilypond? err.. LilyPond is a music engraving program, devoted to producing the highest-quality sheet music possible. It brings the aesthetics of traditionally engraved music to computer printouts. And why isn't it

Re: critical issues

2012-01-08 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On Jan 8, 2012, at 2:54 AM, Graham Percival wrote: On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 01:52:41AM +0100, Łukasz Czerwiński wrote: Are there some guidelines how to write new code to work in the same manner as the already written code? We have a contributor's guide. It is not complete, but that's

Re: critical issues

2012-01-08 Thread Janek Warchoł
W dniu 8 stycznia 2012 02:54 użytkownik Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca napisał: On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 01:52:41AM +0100, Łukasz Czerwiński wrote: * Let's assume that I would like to help in developing Lilypond, but I don't have my own idea, what part of it I could

Re: critical issues

2012-01-07 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 01:52:41AM +0100, Łukasz Czerwiński wrote: As for all the emails that were written it the last two days, I believe that a sort of coordination is needed in each project. We have the amount of coordination that we have chosen. * Let's assume that I would like

Re: critical issues

2012-01-07 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: 2012/1/5 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: 2012/1/4 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: \layout {   \layout-from { \compressFullBarRests     \override Score.SpacingSpanner #'common-shortest-duration =    

Re: critical issues

2012-01-07 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: What i want to say is, i'm afraid you might have forgotten how it feels to be a non-programmer. It's not a joke that for average person that wants to produce some notation, it's hard enough to use text input. In the light of the focus of the

Re: critical issues

2012-01-07 Thread Janek Warchoł
David, 2012/1/7 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: I really don't quite get the point of complaining that I provide alternative ways of accessing functionality.  Nobody forces you to make use of them. 2012/1/7 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: In the light of the focus of the work I have been doing for

Re: critical issues

2012-01-07 Thread Łukasz Czerwiński
First of all I would like to apologize for misjudging Lilypond project. As for all the emails that were written it the last two days, I believe that a sort of coordination is needed in each project. Maybe for some of them there must be one boss with many programmers and designers, while for other

Re: critical issues

2012-01-06 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/1/5 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: 2012/1/4 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: \layout {   \layout-from { \compressFullBarRests     \override Score.SpacingSpanner #'common-shortest-duration =     #(ly:make-moment 6 10)   }   etc... } ok...  

Re: critical issues

2012-01-05 Thread David Kastrup
m...@apollinemike.com m...@apollinemike.com writes: On Jan 5, 2012, at 1:20 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote: Correct me if i'm wrong, but my impression is that there is no particular direction in which we are going. I'm sure that other people have their pet projects as well. The ensemble of these

Re: critical issues

2012-01-05 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On Jan 5, 2012, at 9:14 AM, David Kastrup wrote: m...@apollinemike.com m...@apollinemike.com writes: On Jan 5, 2012, at 1:20 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote: Correct me if i'm wrong, but my impression is that there is no particular direction in which we are going. I'm sure that other people

Re: critical issues

2012-01-05 Thread David Kastrup
m...@apollinemike.com m...@apollinemike.com writes: On Jan 5, 2012, at 9:14 AM, David Kastrup wrote: m...@apollinemike.com m...@apollinemike.com writes: On Jan 5, 2012, at 1:20 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote: Correct me if i'm wrong, but my impression is that there is no particular direction

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes:  \layout {    \context {      \Score      \with \settingsFrom { \compressFullBarRests }    }    \context {      \Staff      \with \settingsFrom { \accidentalStyle modern }    }  } } \end{lilypond} \ph is a music function written in

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread Łukasz Czerwiński
On 3 January 2012 21:47, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote: I am a TeX specialist, system programmer, Emacs specialist, the GNU maintainer (and a rather pitiful one) for AUCTeX (lytex and itexi anybody? preview-latex for Lilypond?) Mmm... Preview for Lilypond? Sounds like a

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread David Kastrup
Łukasz Czerwiński milimet...@gmail.com writes: On 3 January 2012 21:47, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote: I am a TeX specialist, system programmer, Emacs specialist, the GNU maintainer (and a rather pitiful one) for AUCTeX (lytex and itexi anybody? preview-latex for

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread David Kastrup
David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes:  \layout {    \context {      \Score      \with \settingsFrom { \compressFullBarRests }    }    \context {      \Staff      \with \settingsFrom { \accidentalStyle modern }    }  } } \end{lilypond}

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/1/4 James pkx1...@gmail.com: hello, On 3 Jan 2012, at 22:26, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote: I might have given you a wrong impression, i don't think its really that bad.  There is some teamwork, but no leader indeed. to use an English expression ... poppycock! Janek

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/1/4 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: \settingsFrom is actually returning a Scheme expression for \with to use. It makes things rather simpler than more complex, even though it constitutes a Scheme expression. Um... i would really love to be able to type \layout {

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread Janek Warchoł
Adding Luke to recipients again... (please remember to include him as he's not signed to our mailing lists), 2012/1/4 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Łukasz Czerwiński milimet...@gmail.com writes: Regarding all those fragments of Janek's and David's emails: For some time I have been observing how

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: 2012/1/4 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: \settingsFrom is actually returning a Scheme expression for \with to use. It makes things rather simpler than more complex, even though it constitutes a Scheme expression. Um... i would really love to be

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On Jan 5, 2012, at 1:20 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote: Correct me if i'm wrong, but my impression is that there is no particular direction in which we are going. I think that it is very difficult to set these goals because different things interest different people. I know that Bertrand and I

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 7:55 AM Subject: Re: critical issues Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 01:03:08AM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net writes: From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org There is a _reason_ the remaining OSX and Windows based developers are doing (definitely important) documentation and web site work. They are to a large degree locked out and dependent on

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 11:44 AM Subject: Re: critical issues Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net writes: From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org There is a _reason_

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net writes: From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 11:44 AM Subject: Re: critical issues Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net writes: From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net No. I have an Ubuntu VM which I use for quick experiments and a very fast Ubuntu PC which I use for full builds. But I support lilypond because I _use_ it for typesetting music on a _Windows_

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Werner LEMBERG
If we refuse thinking about stable releases by taking GUB as an excuse, the grand next stable release that will benefit users of many operating systems is likely to fall in the class too little, too late. I second David. Given that we develop within a GNU environment, bugs specific to

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On Jan 3, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: If we refuse thinking about stable releases by taking GUB as an excuse, the grand next stable release that will benefit users of many operating systems is likely to fall in the class too little, too late. I second David. Given that we

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: If we refuse thinking about stable releases by taking GUB as an excuse, the grand next stable release that will benefit users of many operating systems is likely to fall in the class too little, too late. I second David.  

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: If we refuse thinking about stable releases by taking GUB as an excuse, the grand next stable release that will benefit users of many operating systems is likely to fall in the class too little, too late. I second David. Given that we develop within a

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread James
Hello, On 3 January 2012 12:53, Han-Wen Nienhuys hanw...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: If we refuse thinking about stable releases by taking GUB as an excuse, the grand next stable release that will benefit users of many operating systems

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
m...@apollinemike.com m...@apollinemike.com writes: One in-the-middle approach is to check out package managers that are offering LilyPond releases. I know, for example, that brew offers a version of LilyPond on Mac OS X. If we provide a list of package managers and how-tos for the

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
Han-Wen Nienhuys hanw...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: If we refuse thinking about stable releases by taking GUB as an excuse, the grand next stable release that will benefit users of many operating systems is likely to fall in the class

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
James pkx1...@gmail.com writes: Hello, On 3 January 2012 12:53, Han-Wen Nienhuys hanw...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: If we refuse thinking about stable releases by taking GUB as an excuse, the grand next stable release that will

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/1/3 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: It so happens that none of these Critical issues are really fixable by reverting a single commit. [...] ok, thanks for this explanation! Is finding them an easy (no knowledge needed, a complete set of dumbed-down instructions can be given

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: 2012/1/3 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: The Learning Guide and the Notation Guide need a complete rereading and reorganization, and it is not like the Extending Guide is in significantly better shape. I'd like to fix them too, but i don't have

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/1/3 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: 2012/1/3 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: The Learning Guide and the Notation Guide need a complete rereading and reorganization, and it is not like the Extending Guide is in significantly better shape. I'd like

Re: critical issues -- hope you're having fun

2012-01-03 Thread Graham Percival
good progress on the GUB-related critical issues. URL:http://xkcd.com/386/ yep. Let's cut to the chase: I am an evil semi-overlord. I jealously guard my ssh login to lilypond.org (along with Han-Wen's and Jan's), I am fickle, and I like to play with small kittens. Due to my evil fickle nature, I

Re: critical issues -- hope you're having fun

2012-01-03 Thread James
after dev release vs stable? Yeah, especially since Carl was *already* making good progress on the GUB-related critical issues. URL:http://xkcd.com/386/ yep. Let's cut to the chase: I am an evil semi-overlord.  I jealously guard my ssh login to lilypond.org (along with Han-Wen's and Jan's

Re: critical issues -- hope you're having fun

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
? Yeah, especially since Carl was *already* making good progress on the GUB-related critical issues. URL:http://xkcd.com/386/ yep. Let's cut to the chase: I am an evil semi-overlord. I jealously guard my ssh login to lilypond.org (along with Han-Wen's and Jan's), I am fickle, and I like

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: 2012/1/3 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org:  LilyPond needs to get into a state where, say, half the engravers are written and maintained in Scheme.  And by Scheme I don't mean Scheme at the level Nicolas can barely handle but Scheme a Fortran

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/1/3 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: 2012/1/3 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org:  LilyPond needs to get into a state where, say, half the engravers are written and maintained in Scheme.  And by Scheme I don't mean Scheme at the level Nicolas can barely

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi Luke, nice to see you joining the discussion :) W dniu 3 stycznia 2012 23:06 użytkownik Łukasz Czerwiński milimet...@gmail.com napisał: That's like + from me! In general, i agree that we should think in a more 'release-oriented' way (last stable release was half a year ago, so we

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread James
hello, On 3 Jan 2012, at 22:26, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Luke, nice to see you joining the discussion :) W dniu 3 stycznia 2012 23:06 użytkownik Łukasz Czerwiński milimet...@gmail.com napisał: That's like + from me! In general, i agree that we should think

critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread David Kastrup
I see the following critical issues: 2160document LILYPOND_WEB_MEDIA_GIT 2100Patch: CG: explanation of branches for the impatient 1948Windows install clobbered system PATH 1943lilypond after 2.15.8 fails on x86 Macs 1933Lilypond-book requires msvcrt again 1933, 1943, 1948

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 09:59:47PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: I see the following critical issues: -snip- There is, actually, a wagonload of other changes underfoot that does not appear quite compatible with releasing a version called stable to me. It seems strange to me that the _above_

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 09:59:47PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: I see the following critical issues: -snip- There is, actually, a wagonload of other changes underfoot that does not appear quite compatible with releasing a version called

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 10:23:28PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: This was the result of between 25 to 40 emails in August 2011 on lilypond-devel. A quick scan didn't reveal your name amongst those emails, but we simply cannot afford to

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread Janek Warchoł
should attack these critical issues at all costs, let me know and i'll consider it. We could certainly consider dropping support for OSX or windows. That would eliminate 80% (or more!) of our user base, including everybody who works on our documentation, plus certain extremely valuable developer

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 10:23:28PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: This was the result of between 25 to 40 emails in August 2011 on lilypond-devel. A quick scan didn't reveal your name amongst

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 01:03:08AM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: We could certainly consider dropping support for OSX or windows. That sort of token solidarity is actually counterproductive: if you believe that non-releases lead to non-users,

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread Janek Warchoł
possible to say i think that we shouldn't make a stable release despite having 0 critical issues, because current master is shabby and we have some major changes going in the codebase. I think that the problem may be that we don't organize our work (and don't want to according to GOP7 http://lilypond.org

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread Janek Warchoł
(sorry for double-post) 2012/1/2 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 10:23:28PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: If you are aware of any other issues which fall under the definition (i.e. a reproducible failure to

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread Graham Percival
currently open critical regression, does it mean that's impossible to tell or simply noone tried to find them? It so happens that none of these Critical issues are really fixable by reverting a single commit. - lilypond-book came from a general rewrite of lilypond-book. - osx came from me

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 01:03:08AM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: We could certainly consider dropping support for OSX or windows. That sort of token solidarity is actually counterproductive:

Re: no movement on Critical issues; 2.16 in Oct ?

2011-07-31 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: I haven't seen any interest in http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1771 My take on this (if nobody is going to protest in the next few hours) is to revert the flawed fix. Reason: we get rid of a critical issue. The original

Re: no movement on Critical issues; 2.16 in Oct ?

2011-07-31 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 09:42:36AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: I haven't seen any interest in http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1771 My take on this (if nobody is going to protest in the next few hours) is to revert the

Re: no movement on Critical issues; 2.16 in Oct ?

2011-07-31 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 09:42:36AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: I haven't seen any interest in http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1771 My take on this (if nobody is going

Re: no movement on Critical issues; 2.16 in Oct ?

2011-07-31 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 09:42:36AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: I haven't seen any interest in http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1771 My take on this (if nobody is going

Re: no movement on Critical issues; 2.16 in Oct ?

2011-07-31 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:42 AM Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: I haven't seen any interest in http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1771 My take on this (if nobody is going to protest in the next few hours) is to revert the flawed fix.

Re: no movement on Critical issues; 2.16 in Oct ?

2011-07-31 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 10:04:59AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: But this bug has been reported as occuring non-deterministically even in successive runs on the same machine, and there are rather few things that can introduce such stochastic behavior (another possibility would be timer-triggered

Re: no movement on Critical issues; 2.16 in Oct ?

2011-07-31 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 10:04:59AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: But this bug has been reported as occuring non-deterministically even in successive runs on the same machine, and there are rather few things that can introduce such stochastic

Re: no movement on Critical issues; 2.16 in Oct ?

2011-07-31 Thread Jan Warchoł
2011/7/31 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 09:42:36AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: I haven't seen any interest in   http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1771

Re: no movement on Critical issues; 2.16 in Oct ?

2011-07-31 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Sunday, 31. July 2011, 07:45:20 schrieb Graham Percival: I haven't seen any interest in http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1732 This is unfortunate, since it means that we can't have a release candidate on Aug 01. Without a reproducible test case, it's simply not possible

Re: no movement on Critical issues; 2.16 in Oct ?

2011-07-31 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 10:26:11AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Modern operating systems don't give your code any leftovers from a previous run. That would be a security violation. I'm certain that I've seen an uninitialized variable being 123456789 in some cases, and 0 in others. I sincerly

Re: no movement on Critical issues; 2.16 in Oct ?

2011-07-31 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 10:26:11AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Modern operating systems don't give your code any leftovers from a previous run. That would be a security violation. I'm certain that I've seen an uninitialized variable being

Re: no movement on Critical issues; 2.16 in Oct ?

2011-07-31 Thread Wols Lists
On 31/07/11 17:47, David Kastrup wrote: Windows 2000 (not NT-based IIRC) does not usefully employ memory protection IIRC, so likely Cygwin does not add all too much on top. Windows 2000 most definitely IS NT-based. You're thinking of Windows ME, which is the last of the DOS7/Win9x line.

Re: no movement on Critical issues; 2.16 in Oct ?

2011-07-31 Thread David Kastrup
Wols Lists antli...@youngman.org.uk writes: On 31/07/11 17:47, David Kastrup wrote: Windows 2000 (not NT-based IIRC) does not usefully employ memory protection IIRC, so likely Cygwin does not add all too much on top. Windows 2000 most definitely IS NT-based. You're thinking of Windows ME,

no movement on Critical issues; 2.16 in Oct ?

2011-07-30 Thread Graham Percival
that they would like to have stable releases more regularly. Some people have expressed a willingness to work on a team, i.e. spending a few hours a week on stuff that (potentially) doesn't interest them in the least, simply to keep momentum. I implore those people to investigate + fix Critical issues. I know

critical issues

2011-03-20 Thread Graham Percival
Hey guys, I've been busy/distracted/sick for the past week, and I'll continue to be busy/distracted/sick for the next ten days. I'm also fed up with announcing a release candidate and then discovering that there's a known critical issue that wasn't on the tracker a day later. 1) if you're

Re: critical issues

2011-01-23 Thread Boris Shingarov
is the problem? Well on one hand, none of today's Critical Issues in Lilypond, are on the list of priorities for our project. So even if we had 20 full-time developers, it wouldn't help with releasing the next stable version. On the other hand, we have implemented some major new functionality

Re: critical issues

2011-01-23 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 10:29:11AM -0500, Boris Shingarov wrote: The Lilypond project has a very specific set of objectives. There is a defined set of procedures, a roadmap, a set of criteria of what is acceptable to go into the codebase, etc. This is true of any (well-organized) project.

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-20 Thread Keith OHara
%{ Fellow Contributors, The patches look like they do the job, and give clean regression tests, but the developers are hesitant. I am not a programmer, and I cannot read minds, but I can tell you what makes *me* hesitant. Look at issue 1120. A lyric syllable covering more than one note spread

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-20 Thread Keith OHara
On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 01:33:10 -0800, Keith OHara k-ohara5...@oco.net wrote: ... because that fixes 1120 more solidly and removes the cause for issues 1474 and 1472, Well, reverting ee0488 removes the cause of our /noticing/ issue 1472 (multi-measure rests colliding with key signatures). The

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-20 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
Pushed to Rietveld:http://codereview.appspot.com/4056043 Note that there is a trailing whitespace error on line 47 of the diff. Cheers, MS On Jan 20, 2011, at 5:13 AM, Keith OHara wrote: On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 01:33:10 -0800, Keith OHara k-ohara5...@oco.net wrote: ... because that fixes 1120

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-19 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
I'll take care of 1472, but I need a copy of Valentin's opera. Cheers, MS ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-19 Thread Benkő Pál
Work on Critical issues has pretty much wound down.  Carl asked about the status of 1474 recently; I'd like to take that a step further and ask for a dedicated volunteer to act as shepherd for each issue. - you *don't* need to program, or even understand programming  (but that would

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-19 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: Did you know that English is an absolutely stupid language? The word biweekly can mean either 4 times each 14 days, or 1 time each 14 days! What's wrong with fortnightly? -- David Kastrup ___

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-19 Thread Bernard Hurley
I'll take on 1474 Bernard ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-19 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 06:57:27AM -0500, m...@apollinemike.com wrote: I'll take care of 1472, but I need a copy of Valentin's opera. Valentin's opera is available as a git checkout: http://repo.or.cz/w/opera_libre.git but did you mean 1475 instead? Benk has claimed it. I tried briefly

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-19 Thread Benkő Pál
I'll take care of 1472, but I need a copy of Valentin's opera. Valentin's opera is available as a git checkout: http://repo.or.cz/w/opera_libre.git but did you mean 1475 instead?  Benk has claimed it. I tried briefly looking at the opera a few days ago, but it didn't compile in 2.12.3 or

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-19 Thread Graham Percival
On 1/19/11, Benkő Pál benko@gmail.com wrote: I tried briefly looking at the opera a few days ago, but it didn't compile in 2.12.3 or 2.13.46, so I gave up after a few minutes. Finding a minimal example that works in both 2.12.3 and 2.13.46 might be tricky, tonight I'll prepare a smaller

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-19 Thread Benkő Pál
2011/1/19 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: On 1/19/11, Benkő Pál benko@gmail.com wrote: I tried briefly looking at the opera a few days ago, but it didn't compile in 2.12.3 or 2.13.46, so I gave up after a few minutes. Finding a minimal example that works in both 2.12.3 and

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-19 Thread Francisco Vila
2011/1/19 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: it's no problem for me to recompile lilypond 30 or 40 times. Finding a commit out of 40 by git-bisect shouldn't need to recompile more than log2(40)=5.32 , this gives 6 times in the worst case. -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain)

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-19 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 04:32:21PM +0100, Francisco Vila wrote: 2011/1/19 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: it's no problem for me to recompile lilypond 30 or 40 times. Finding a commit out of 40 by git-bisect shouldn't need to recompile more than log2(40)=5.32 , this gives 6

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-19 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
Graham et all, I have read all of the postings and am up to date - I meant what next as a general question to the community in the sense of would anyone who was actually involved in the pushing of this commit (Joe - I see your name associated with it - how much work did you do on it?) like to

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-19 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 1/19/11 2:51 PM, m...@apollinemike.com m...@apollinemike.com wrote: Graham et all, I have read all of the postings and am up to date - I meant what next as a general question to the community in the sense of would anyone who was actually involved in the pushing of this commit (Joe - I

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-19 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 1/19/11 2:51 PM, m...@apollinemike.com m...@apollinemike.com wrote: Graham et all, I have read all of the postings and am up to date - I meant what next as a general question to the community in the sense of would anyone who was actually involved in the pushing of this commit (Joe - I

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-19 Thread Mike Solomon
Got it. Then, here is the state of things: 1/6 Bug is first reported on the bug list. 1/7 Neil reports adding a default 'extra-spacing-height to key signature. 1/10 Keith confirms that this works and that he gets a clean make check. 1/13 Phil holmes reports the regression on the bugtracker

Re: biweekly Critical issues plea

2011-01-19 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 1/19/11 4:33 PM, Mike Solomon mike...@ufl.edu wrote: Got it. Then, here is the state of things: 1/6 Bug is first reported on the bug list. 1/7 Neil reports adding a default 'extra-spacing-height to key signature. 1/10 Keith confirms that this works and that he gets a clean

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