Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released

[Freeman Gilmore]

What I saw was confusing  to me and should have been clear to me from  my
background.  That is my fault. I was thinking "binaries'', now i have
to compile, I do not want to do that;   It is worded correctly.True it
would be better to make it simpler to understand for someone that has on
knowledge of programming.   Something like what Carl did but using the word
program instead of binary. .Too many words can have the same effect of
confusion.
Thank you, ƒg.

On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 10:44 AM David Kastrup  wrote:

> Freeman Gilmore  writes:
>
> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 10:03 AM Carl Sorensen <
> carl.d.soren...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> LilyPond does *not* have one binary for all.  It has one source code for
> >> all.
> >>
> > That helps
> >
> >>
> >> I think that there can be a bit of confusion here due to the fact that
> two
> >> elements in the list aren't binaries.  There are three binaries:
> GNU/Linux
> >> x86_64, macOS x86_64, and Windows x86_64.  Then there are two other
> >> links: Source code and instructions for building with MacPorts.
> Perhaps we
> >> could separate the binaries from the other links.  That's what we do on
> the
> >> stable download page.
> >>
> >
> > So I was wrong from the start.  I was looking for the program for
> > windows, Windows x86_64,. not realising that the program I was looking
> > for was a binary which is compiled from the source code.  Sorry this
> > is all stuff from the past at one time i understood, just confused.
>
> If it's all stuff from the past at one time you understood, there are
> likely enough people around for whom this is all stuff from the future
> they are yet to understand and it would seem like a bad idea to turn
> this into a roadblock for using LilyPond for them.
>
> So you certainly did highlight that we may be relying on an
> overabundance of technobabble fluency on our download pages.
>
> There might be a point in trying to sort and rephrase our points of
> first contact pages in a manner where installing LilyPond is not going
> to be an uphill battle already because of language problems.
>
> --
> David Kastrup
>

Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released

[David Kastrup]

Freeman Gilmore  writes:

> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 10:03 AM Carl Sorensen 
> wrote:
>>
>> LilyPond does *not* have one binary for all.  It has one source code for
>> all.
>>
> That helps
>
>>
>> I think that there can be a bit of confusion here due to the fact that two
>> elements in the list aren't binaries.  There are three binaries: GNU/Linux
>> x86_64, macOS x86_64, and Windows x86_64.  Then there are two other
>> links: Source code and instructions for building with MacPorts.  Perhaps we
>> could separate the binaries from the other links.  That's what we do on the
>> stable download page.
>>
>
> So I was wrong from the start.  I was looking for the program for
> windows, Windows x86_64,. not realising that the program I was looking
> for was a binary which is compiled from the source code.  Sorry this
> is all stuff from the past at one time i understood, just confused.

If it's all stuff from the past at one time you understood, there are
likely enough people around for whom this is all stuff from the future
they are yet to understand and it would seem like a bad idea to turn
this into a roadblock for using LilyPond for them.

So you certainly did highlight that we may be relying on an
overabundance of technobabble fluency on our download pages.

There might be a point in trying to sort and rephrase our points of
first contact pages in a manner where installing LilyPond is not going
to be an uphill battle already because of language problems.

-- 
David Kastrup

Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released

[Freeman Gilmore]

On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 10:03 AM Carl Sorensen 
wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 7:31 AM Freeman Gilmore 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 9:04 AM Tim's Bitstream 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Apr 26, 2022, at 9:32 PM, Freeman Gilmore 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 7:58 PM David Kastrup  wrote:
>>>
 Freeman Gilmore  writes:

 > On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 3:50 PM David Kastrup  wrote:
 >
 >>
 >> We are happy to announce the release of LilyPond 2.23.8. This is
 termed
 >> a development release, but these are usually reliable. If you want to
 >> use the current stable version of LilyPond, we recommend using the
 >> 2.22.2 version.
 >>
 >> In this release, dropping Guile 1.8 support has finally become
 possible
 >> also for our sources. We'd like to dedicate this release to Ian Hulin
 >> who was one of the first systematically working on our numerous
 >> roadblocks for Guile 2 migration after tackling a few other
 high-level
 >> problems. In the time spans where his health permitted it, he was
 able
 >> to significantly reduce the amount of remaining problems for the
 Guile 2
 >> migration after having started working on them in 2010, making the
 goal
 >> that we finally reached now more tangible for others to work on
 after he
 >> left us in 2015.
 >>
 >> --
 >> David Kastrup
 >>
 >
 > Is there going to be a non binary version for windows coming soon?

 The source code is the same independent of operating system, so you
 apparently don't mean "source code" when you say "non binary".  What
 would your expectations of a "non binary version for windows" be?

 --
 David Kastrup

>>> Ok i see it now, but this was my problem.   I know that the source code
>>>  (binary) is usually the same for all but I have never worked with source
>>> code  for LilyPond so when I read this, "Documentation writers and
>>> testers will generally want to download the latest binary:" with 5
>>> binaries listed below,   *Note, the colon should be a period;* and make
>>> it look like it is not the header for a listing.   I may not b the only
>>> dummy out there!.
>>> Thank you, ƒg
>>>
>>>
>>> This sounds like a conversation at cross purposes.
>>>
>>> If you want to compile your own binary from source code, download the
>>> source code and follow the instructions that you will find in the directory
>>> (folder in Mac terms, don't know which language Windows uses).
>>>
>>> If you just want to install a working application, then download and
>>> install the appropriate one of the precompiled ones from that list.  This
>>> is what I do because it is just a lot simpler.I haven't compiled from
>>> source in years since somebody else volunteers to do that for use with my
>>> system.
>>>
>>> Linguistically the colon looks fine to me, since it indicates "use one
>>> of the following:"
>>>
>> One of the following  binaries.   Sorry, that is the way I read it.
>>  I understand what is meant now.   But if you do not have a clue what a
>> binary is then My understanding of english is the header indicates that
>> there are 5 binaries.It is not my website so leave it as it is.
>> It has what I am looking for now that I am clear that Lilyond one Windows
>> x86_64.   for all.   Like you, i am not interested i  the binaries.
>>
>
> LilyPond does *not* have one binary for all.  It has one source code for
> all.
>
That helps

>
> I think that there can be a bit of confusion here due to the fact that two
> elements in the list aren't binaries.  There are three binaries: GNU/Linux
> x86_64, macOS x86_64, and Windows x86_64.  Then there are two other
> links: Source code and instructions for building with MacPorts.  Perhaps we
> could separate the binaries from the other links.  That's what we do on the
> stable download page.
>

So I was wrong from the start.   I was looking for the program for
windows, Windows
x86_64,. not realising that the program I was looking for was a binary
which is compiled from the source code.
Sorry this is all stuff from the past at one time i understood, just
confused.
Thank you all for help with this, i have what i need, ƒg

>
>

> HTH,
>
> Carl
>
>
>
>

Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released

[Freeman Gilmore]

On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 9:40 AM Michael Gerdau  wrote:

> >> One of the following  binaries.   Sorry, that is the way I read it.
> >   I understand what is meant now.   But if you do not have a clue what a
> > binary is then My understanding of english is the header indicates that
> > there are 5 binaries.It is not my website so leave it as it is.
> > It has what I am looking for now that I am clear that Lilyond one
> > binariesfor all.   Like you, i am not interested i  the binaries.
>
> Not meaning to be patronizing:
> When I encounter a word I do not understand I'll try to look it up.
> Searching wikipedia for binary I found:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary
>
> There under "Computing" you find
> - Binary code: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_code
> - Binary file: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_file
> and as a subsection of Binary file
> - Executable: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executable
>
> Reading these should greatly help you understand things.
>
Thanks for sending this information.   My problem is more confusing the
terms, age I guess.
I have what I need.
Thank you, ƒg

>
> HTH,
> Michael
> --
>   Michael Gerdau   email: m...@qata.de
>   GPG-keys available on request or at public keyserver
>

Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released

[Carl Sorensen]

On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 7:31 AM Freeman Gilmore 
wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 9:04 AM Tim's Bitstream 
> wrote:
>
>> 
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2022, at 9:32 PM, Freeman Gilmore 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 7:58 PM David Kastrup  wrote:
>>
>>> Freeman Gilmore  writes:
>>>
>>> > On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 3:50 PM David Kastrup  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> We are happy to announce the release of LilyPond 2.23.8. This is
>>> termed
>>> >> a development release, but these are usually reliable. If you want to
>>> >> use the current stable version of LilyPond, we recommend using the
>>> >> 2.22.2 version.
>>> >>
>>> >> In this release, dropping Guile 1.8 support has finally become
>>> possible
>>> >> also for our sources. We'd like to dedicate this release to Ian Hulin
>>> >> who was one of the first systematically working on our numerous
>>> >> roadblocks for Guile 2 migration after tackling a few other high-level
>>> >> problems. In the time spans where his health permitted it, he was able
>>> >> to significantly reduce the amount of remaining problems for the
>>> Guile 2
>>> >> migration after having started working on them in 2010, making the
>>> goal
>>> >> that we finally reached now more tangible for others to work on after
>>> he
>>> >> left us in 2015.
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> David Kastrup
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Is there going to be a non binary version for windows coming soon?
>>>
>>> The source code is the same independent of operating system, so you
>>> apparently don't mean "source code" when you say "non binary".  What
>>> would your expectations of a "non binary version for windows" be?
>>>
>>> --
>>> David Kastrup
>>>
>> Ok i see it now, but this was my problem.   I know that the source code  
>> (binary)
>> is usually the same for all but I have never worked with source code
>> for LilyPond so when I read this, "Documentation writers and testers
>> will generally want to download the latest binary:" with 5 binaries
>> listed below,   *Note, the colon should be a period;* and make it look
>> like it is not the header for a listing.   I may not b the only dummy out
>> there!.
>> Thank you, ƒg
>>
>>
>> This sounds like a conversation at cross purposes.
>>
>> If you want to compile your own binary from source code, download the
>> source code and follow the instructions that you will find in the directory
>> (folder in Mac terms, don't know which language Windows uses).
>>
>> If you just want to install a working application, then download and
>> install the appropriate one of the precompiled ones from that list.  This
>> is what I do because it is just a lot simpler.I haven't compiled from
>> source in years since somebody else volunteers to do that for use with my
>> system.
>>
>> Linguistically the colon looks fine to me, since it indicates "use one of
>> the following:"
>>
> One of the following  binaries.   Sorry, that is the way I read it.
>  I understand what is meant now.   But if you do not have a clue what a
> binary is then My understanding of english is the header indicates that
> there are 5 binaries.It is not my website so leave it as it is.It
> has what I am looking for now that I am clear that Lilyond one binaries
> for all.   Like you, i am not interested i  the binaries.
>

LilyPond does *not* have one binary for all.  It has one source code for
all.

I think that there can be a bit of confusion here due to the fact that two
elements in the list aren't binaries.  There are three binaries: GNU/Linux
x86_64, macOS x86_64, and Windows x86_64.  Then there are two other links:
Source code and instructions for building with MacPorts.  Perhaps we could
separate the binaries from the other links.  That's what we do on the
stable download page.

HTH,

Carl

Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released

[Freeman Gilmore]

On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 6:55 AM David Kastrup  wrote:

> Freeman Gilmore  writes:
>
> > On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 7:58 PM David Kastrup  wrote:
> >
> >> Freeman Gilmore  writes:
> >>
> >> > Is there going to be a non binary version for windows coming soon?
> >>
> >> The source code is the same independent of operating system, so you
> >> apparently don't mean "source code" when you say "non binary".  What
> >> would your expectations of a "non binary version for windows" be?
> >>
> > Ok i see it now, but this was my problem.  I know that the source code
> > (binary) is usually the same for all but I have never worked with
> > source code for LilyPond so when I read this, "Documentation writers
> > and testers will generally want to download the latest binary:" with 5
> > binaries listed below, *Note, the colon should be a period;* and make
> > it look like it is not the header for a listing.  I may not b the only
> > dummy out there!.
>
> I don't understand what you are saying here and you write things like
> "source code (binary)"

I worded this wrong. I should have just used the word binaries.I was
mixing the two, disregarding Source code.
I do know the difference.I was looking for a program for windows. Not
being a programmer the header sentence says to use one of the following
binaries{ at least that is how I read it.   So i was asking when the
programs would be listed, not understanding that this was thmn and not
binaries. I have what I need now so no need to go any further with
this..
Thank you for your help with this, ƒg

> that make pretty clear that we are still talking

i

> about entirely different things.  So I repeat my question: what would
> your expectations of a "non binary version for windows" be?
>
> --
> David Kastrup
>

Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released

[Michael Gerdau]

One of the following  binaries.   Sorry, that is the way I read it.  
  I understand what is meant now.   But if you do not have a clue what a 
binary is then My understanding of english is the header indicates that 
there are 5 binaries.    It is not my website so leave it as it is.
It has what I am looking for now that I am clear that Lilyond one 
binariesfor all.   Like you, i am not interested i  the binaries.


Not meaning to be patronizing:
When I encounter a word I do not understand I'll try to look it up.
Searching wikipedia for binary I found:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary

There under "Computing" you find
- Binary code: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_code
- Binary file: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_file
and as a subsection of Binary file
- Executable: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executable

Reading these should greatly help you understand things.

HTH,
Michael
--
 Michael Gerdau   email: m...@qata.de
 GPG-keys available on request or at public keyserver

Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released

[Freeman Gilmore]

On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 9:04 AM Tim's Bitstream 
wrote:

> 
>
> On Apr 26, 2022, at 9:32 PM, Freeman Gilmore 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 7:58 PM David Kastrup  wrote:
>
>> Freeman Gilmore  writes:
>>
>> > On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 3:50 PM David Kastrup  wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> We are happy to announce the release of LilyPond 2.23.8. This is termed
>> >> a development release, but these are usually reliable. If you want to
>> >> use the current stable version of LilyPond, we recommend using the
>> >> 2.22.2 version.
>> >>
>> >> In this release, dropping Guile 1.8 support has finally become possible
>> >> also for our sources. We'd like to dedicate this release to Ian Hulin
>> >> who was one of the first systematically working on our numerous
>> >> roadblocks for Guile 2 migration after tackling a few other high-level
>> >> problems. In the time spans where his health permitted it, he was able
>> >> to significantly reduce the amount of remaining problems for the Guile
>> 2
>> >> migration after having started working on them in 2010, making the goal
>> >> that we finally reached now more tangible for others to work on after
>> he
>> >> left us in 2015.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> David Kastrup
>> >>
>> >
>> > Is there going to be a non binary version for windows coming soon?
>>
>> The source code is the same independent of operating system, so you
>> apparently don't mean "source code" when you say "non binary".  What
>> would your expectations of a "non binary version for windows" be?
>>
>> --
>> David Kastrup
>>
> Ok i see it now, but this was my problem.   I know that the source code  
> (binary)
> is usually the same for all but I have never worked with source code  for
> LilyPond so when I read this, "Documentation writers and testers will
> generally want to download the latest binary:" with 5 binaries listed
> below,   *Note, the colon should be a period;* and make it look like it
> is not the header for a listing.   I may not b the only dummy out there!.
> Thank you, ƒg
>
>
> This sounds like a conversation at cross purposes.
>
> If you want to compile your own binary from source code, download the
> source code and follow the instructions that you will find in the directory
> (folder in Mac terms, don't know which language Windows uses).
>
> If you just want to install a working application, then download and
> install the appropriate one of the precompiled ones from that list.  This
> is what I do because it is just a lot simpler.I haven't compiled from
> source in years since somebody else volunteers to do that for use with my
> system.
>
> Linguistically the colon looks fine to me, since it indicates "use one of
> the following:"
>
One of the following  binaries.   Sorry, that is the way I read it.
 I understand what is meant now.   But if you do not have a clue what a
binary is then My understanding of english is the header indicates that
there are 5 binaries.It is not my website so leave it as it is.It
has what I am looking for now that I am clear that Lilyond one binaries for
all.   Like you, i am not interested i  the binaries.

>
> Hope this helps!
>

Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released

[Tim's Bitstream]


> On Apr 26, 2022, at 9:32 PM, Freeman Gilmore  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 7:58 PM David Kastrup  wrote:
>> Freeman Gilmore  writes:
>> 
>> > On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 3:50 PM David Kastrup  wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> We are happy to announce the release of LilyPond 2.23.8. This is termed
>> >> a development release, but these are usually reliable. If you want to
>> >> use the current stable version of LilyPond, we recommend using the
>> >> 2.22.2 version.
>> >>
>> >> In this release, dropping Guile 1.8 support has finally become possible
>> >> also for our sources. We'd like to dedicate this release to Ian Hulin
>> >> who was one of the first systematically working on our numerous
>> >> roadblocks for Guile 2 migration after tackling a few other high-level
>> >> problems. In the time spans where his health permitted it, he was able
>> >> to significantly reduce the amount of remaining problems for the Guile 2
>> >> migration after having started working on them in 2010, making the goal
>> >> that we finally reached now more tangible for others to work on after he
>> >> left us in 2015.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> David Kastrup
>> >>
>> >
>> > Is there going to be a non binary version for windows coming soon?
>> 
>> The source code is the same independent of operating system, so you
>> apparently don't mean "source code" when you say "non binary".  What
>> would your expectations of a "non binary version for windows" be?
>> 
>> -- 
>> David Kastrup
> Ok i see it now, but this was my problem.   I know that the source code  
> (binary) is usually the same for all but I have never worked with source code 
>  for LilyPond so when I read this, "Documentation writers and testers will 
> generally want to download the latest binary:" with 5 binaries listed below,  
>  Note, the colon should be a period; and make it look like it is not the 
> header for a listing.   I may not b the only dummy out there!.
> Thank you, ƒg

This sounds like a conversation at cross purposes. 

If you want to compile your own binary from source code, download the source 
code and follow the instructions that you will find in the directory (folder in 
Mac terms, don't know which language Windows uses).  

If you just want to install a working application, then download and install 
the appropriate one of the precompiled ones from that list.  This is what I do 
because it is just a lot simpler.I haven't compiled from source in years 
since somebody else volunteers to do that for use with my system.

Linguistically the colon looks fine to me, since it indicates "use one of the 
following:"

Hope this helps!

Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released

[David Kastrup]

Freeman Gilmore  writes:

> On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 7:58 PM David Kastrup  wrote:
>
>> Freeman Gilmore  writes:
>>
>> > Is there going to be a non binary version for windows coming soon?
>>
>> The source code is the same independent of operating system, so you
>> apparently don't mean "source code" when you say "non binary".  What
>> would your expectations of a "non binary version for windows" be?
>>
> Ok i see it now, but this was my problem.  I know that the source code
> (binary) is usually the same for all but I have never worked with
> source code for LilyPond so when I read this, "Documentation writers
> and testers will generally want to download the latest binary:" with 5
> binaries listed below, *Note, the colon should be a period;* and make
> it look like it is not the header for a listing.  I may not b the only
> dummy out there!.

I don't understand what you are saying here and you write things like
"source code (binary)" that make pretty clear that we are still talking
about entirely different things.  So I repeat my question: what would
your expectations of a "non binary version for windows" be?

-- 
David Kastrup

Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released

[Jean Abou Samra]

Le 27/04/2022 à 07:57, Freeman Gilmore a écrit :

What reference manual should I use to write guile 2 for LilyPond?
Thank you, ƒg


All Guile manuals are here:

https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/learn/

The one for Guile 2 is listed as "Guile 2.2 (the old stable release 
series)".


Best,
Jean

Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released

[Freeman Gilmore]

On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 3:50 PM David Kastrup  wrote:

>
> We are happy to announce the release of LilyPond 2.23.8. This is termed
> a development release, but these are usually reliable. If you want to
> use the current stable version of LilyPond, we recommend using the
> 2.22.2 version.
>
> In this release, dropping Guile 1.8 support has finally become possible
> also for our sources. We'd like to dedicate this release to Ian Hulin
> who was one of the first systematically working on our numerous
> roadblocks for Guile 2 migration after tackling a few other high-level
> problems. In the time spans where his health permitted it, he was able
> to significantly reduce the amount of remaining problems for the Guile 2
> migration after having started working on them in 2010, making the goal
> that we finally reached now more tangible for others to work on after he
> left us in 2015.
>
> --
> David Kastrup
>

What reference manual should I use to write guile 2 for LilyPond?
Thank you, ƒg

Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released

[Freeman Gilmore]

On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 7:58 PM David Kastrup  wrote:

> Freeman Gilmore  writes:
>
> > On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 3:50 PM David Kastrup  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> We are happy to announce the release of LilyPond 2.23.8. This is termed
> >> a development release, but these are usually reliable. If you want to
> >> use the current stable version of LilyPond, we recommend using the
> >> 2.22.2 version.
> >>
> >> In this release, dropping Guile 1.8 support has finally become possible
> >> also for our sources. We'd like to dedicate this release to Ian Hulin
> >> who was one of the first systematically working on our numerous
> >> roadblocks for Guile 2 migration after tackling a few other high-level
> >> problems. In the time spans where his health permitted it, he was able
> >> to significantly reduce the amount of remaining problems for the Guile 2
> >> migration after having started working on them in 2010, making the goal
> >> that we finally reached now more tangible for others to work on after he
> >> left us in 2015.
> >>
> >> --
> >> David Kastrup
> >>
> >
> > Is there going to be a non binary version for windows coming soon?
>
> The source code is the same independent of operating system, so you
> apparently don't mean "source code" when you say "non binary".  What
> would your expectations of a "non binary version for windows" be?
>
> --
> David Kastrup
>
Ok i see it now, but this was my problem.   I know that the source
code  (binary)
is usually the same for all but I have never worked with source code  for
LilyPond so when I read this, "Documentation writers and testers will
generally want to download the latest binary:" with 5 binaries listed
below,   *Note, the colon should be a period;* and make it look like it is
not the header for a listing.   I may not b the only dummy out there!.
Thank you, ƒg

Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released

[Freeman Gilmore]

On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 3:50 PM David Kastrup  wrote:

>
> We are happy to announce the release of LilyPond 2.23.8. This is termed
> a development release, but these are usually reliable. If you want to
> use the current stable version of LilyPond, we recommend using the
> 2.22.2 version.
>
> In this release, dropping Guile 1.8 support has finally become possible
> also for our sources. We'd like to dedicate this release to Ian Hulin
> who was one of the first systematically working on our numerous
> roadblocks for Guile 2 migration after tackling a few other high-level
> problems. In the time spans where his health permitted it, he was able
> to significantly reduce the amount of remaining problems for the Guile 2
> migration after having started working on them in 2010, making the goal
> that we finally reached now more tangible for others to work on after he
> left us in 2015.
>
> --
> David Kastrup
>

Is there going to be a non binary version for windows coming soon?
ƒg

Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released

[David Kastrup]

Freeman Gilmore  writes:

> On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 3:50 PM David Kastrup  wrote:
>
>>
>> We are happy to announce the release of LilyPond 2.23.8. This is termed
>> a development release, but these are usually reliable. If you want to
>> use the current stable version of LilyPond, we recommend using the
>> 2.22.2 version.
>>
>> In this release, dropping Guile 1.8 support has finally become possible
>> also for our sources. We'd like to dedicate this release to Ian Hulin
>> who was one of the first systematically working on our numerous
>> roadblocks for Guile 2 migration after tackling a few other high-level
>> problems. In the time spans where his health permitted it, he was able
>> to significantly reduce the amount of remaining problems for the Guile 2
>> migration after having started working on them in 2010, making the goal
>> that we finally reached now more tangible for others to work on after he
>> left us in 2015.
>>
>> --
>> David Kastrup
>>
>
> Is there going to be a non binary version for windows coming soon?

The source code is the same independent of operating system, so you
apparently don't mean "source code" when you say "non binary".  What
would your expectations of a "non binary version for windows" be?

-- 
David Kastrup

Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released

[Federico Bruni]

On Tue, Apr 26 2022 at 08:04:40 +0100, J Martin Rushton 
 wrote:

On Tue, 2022-04-26 at 00:03 +0200, Jean Abou Samra wrote:

 I seem to recall that the Frescobaldi Flatpak package actually
 bundles LilyPond. Maybe Federico can tell more?


Frescobaldi hasn't run on some flavours of Linux properly for two or
three years.  I think it stopped working around CentOS 7.9 and doesn't
work correctly under AlmaLinux.  The flatpack version won't run
correctly either, so beware!



I guess that the flatpak version is not working as you expect because 
you're missing some knowledge about flatpak.

If you think something is not working, please open an issue here:
https://github.com/flathub/org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi/issues

Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released

[J Martin Rushton]

On Tue, 2022-04-26 at 00:03 +0200, Jean Abou Samra wrote:
> I seem to recall that the Frescobaldi Flatpak package actually
> bundles LilyPond. Maybe Federico can tell more?
> 
Frescobaldi hasn't run on some flavours of Linux properly for two or
three years.  I think it stopped working around CentOS 7.9 and doesn't
work correctly under AlmaLinux.  The flatpack version won't run
correctly either, so beware!

Martin

Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released

[Federico Bruni]

On Tue, Apr 26 2022 at 00:03:17 +0200, Jean Abou Samra 
 wrote:

  (Apparently no PPA or Flatpak version.)





https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi



I seem to recall that the Frescobaldi Flatpak package actually bundles
LilyPond. Maybe Federico can tell more?


Yes, it currently bundles 2.22.2 and 2.23.7.
There's currently an issue in one of the build (flatpak) dependencies 
which blocks any update.

Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released

[Kevin Cole]

Hi,

The problem is that I am using the version of Lilypond supported by the OS
package manager. I'm running Pop! OS which is basically an Ubuntu
derivative. They JUST today announced their next LTS release (22.04) is
ready.

So, the OS maintained version is currently at 2.20 (to be precise, lilypond
2.20.0-1).

If I explicitly use the URL for 2.20:

https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.20/Documentation/learning/

and use the search at the bottom  of the green sidebar on the left to
search, let's say for "slur", the page that is returned is the Google
result page. However, it shows that Google is searching for "site:
lilypond.org/doc/v2.19 slurs" -- i.e. though explicitly searching from 2.20
"tree", it returns a result for 2.19.

I can't cite other examples immediately, but as I recall, it sometimes goes
back to 2.18, sometimes forward to 2.21, etc. I never know if the search
returned is going to give me documentation for the version I have installed.

Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released

[Kevin Cole]

>
>
> There have been problems with the version in the search box
> going out of sync with the current LilyPond version, but I
> think these days we are careful to update it timely. It won't
> help with older versions though.
>
> Jean
>

Alas, more's the pity. Well, now that 22.04 LTS is out, I'll be upgrading
soon, which looks like it will get me 2.22 of Lilypond. (Apparently no PPA
or Flatpak version.)

Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released

[Jean Abou Samra]

Le 25/04/2022 à 23:56, Kevin Cole a écrit :


Alas, more's the pity. Well, now that 22.04 LTS is out, I'll be
upgrading soon, which looks like it will get me 2.22 of Lilypond.





Any reason not to use the latest version from the website?
lilypond.org/unix.html gives you a shell script that you can
run to get a standalone installation in any location (with
the --prefix=/home/user/lilypond-something switch).



(Apparently no PPA or Flatpak version.)




I seem to recall that the Frescobaldi Flatpak package actually bundles
LilyPond. Maybe Federico can tell more?

Jean

Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released

[Jean Abou Samra]

Le 25/04/2022 à 23:37, Kevin Cole a écrit :

Hi,

The problem is that I am using the version of Lilypond supported by 
the OS package manager. I'm running Pop! OS which is basically an 
Ubuntu derivative. They JUST today announced their next LTS release 
(22.04) is ready.


So, the OS maintained version is currently at 2.20 (to be precise, 
lilypond 2.20.0-1).


If I explicitly use the URL for 2.20:

https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.20/Documentation/learning/

and use the search at the bottom  of the green sidebar on the left to 
search, let's say for "slur", the page that is returned is the Google 
result page. However, it shows that Google is searching for 
"site:lilypond.org/doc/v2.19  slurs" -- 
i.e. though explicitly searching from 2.20 "tree", it returns a result 
for 2.19.


I can't cite other examples immediately, but as I recall, it sometimes 
goes back to 2.18, sometimes forward to 2.21, etc. I never know if the 
search returned is going to give me documentation for the version I 
have installed.






There have been problems with the version in the search box
going out of sync with the current LilyPond version, but I
think these days we are careful to update it timely. It won't
help with older versions though.

Jean

Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released

[Kevin Cole]

On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 3:49 PM David Kastrup  wrote:

>
> We are happy to announce the release of LilyPond 2.23.8. This is termed
> a development release, but these are usually reliable. If you want to
> use the current stable version of LilyPond, we recommend using the
> 2.22.2 version.
>
> In this release, dropping Guile 1.8 support has finally become possible
> also for our sources. We'd like to dedicate this release to Ian Hulin
> who was one of the first systematically working on our numerous
> roadblocks for Guile 2 migration after tackling a few other high-level
> problems. In the time spans where his health permitted it, he was able
> to significantly reduce the amount of remaining problems for the Guile 2
> migration after having started working on them in 2010, making the goal
> that we finally reached now more tangible for others to work on after he
> left us in 2015.
>

Is there any plan to retire some -- not all -- of the documentation for
versions long dead? Or, at the very least, confine the searches to the
version of the documentation from which the search was initiated?

Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released

[David Kastrup]

Kevin Cole  writes:

> On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 3:49 PM David Kastrup  wrote:
>
>>
>> We are happy to announce the release of LilyPond 2.23.8. This is termed
>> a development release, but these are usually reliable. If you want to
>> use the current stable version of LilyPond, we recommend using the
>> 2.22.2 version.
>>
>> In this release, dropping Guile 1.8 support has finally become possible
>> also for our sources. We'd like to dedicate this release to Ian Hulin
>> who was one of the first systematically working on our numerous
>> roadblocks for Guile 2 migration after tackling a few other high-level
>> problems. In the time spans where his health permitted it, he was able
>> to significantly reduce the amount of remaining problems for the Guile 2
>> migration after having started working on them in 2010, making the goal
>> that we finally reached now more tangible for others to work on after he
>> left us in 2015.
>>
>
> Is there any plan to retire some -- not all -- of the documentation for
> versions long dead? Or, at the very least, confine the searches to the
> version of the documentation from which the search was initiated?

I see in https://lilypond.org/robots.txt

# avoid 404s -- so that we can take action if any occur in /stats
# Comment from Phil 9 July 2013 to allow tracking file through build

User-agent: *
Disallow: /doc/v1.6/
Disallow: /doc/v1.8/
Disallow: /doc/v1.9/
Disallow: /doc/v2.0/
Disallow: /doc/v2.1/
Disallow: /doc/v2.2/
Disallow: /doc/v2.3/
Disallow: /doc/v2.4/
Disallow: /doc/v2.5/
Disallow: /doc/v2.6/
Disallow: /doc/v2.7/
Disallow: /doc/v2.8/
Disallow: /doc/v2.9/
Disallow: /doc/v2.10/
Disallow: /doc/v2.11/
Disallow: /doc/v2.12/
Disallow: /doc/v2.13/
Disallow: /doc/v2.14/
Disallow: /doc/v2.15/
Disallow: /doc/v2.16/
Disallow: /doc/v2.17/
Disallow: /doc/v2.18/
Disallow: /doc/v2.19/
Disallow: /doc/v2.20/

Disallow: /web/

Do you have an indication that this is not working for some search engines?

-- 
David Kastrup