Re: override stencil question

2013-03-10 Thread Rama Gottfried
Thanks David -- This is great, I can almost start with the score now. I was (am still a bit) unclear about how the grob gets passed to the callback function. interesting that the grob is still available within the callback without passing it -- I had thought that the stencil assignment was pass

Align whole-note chord over whole-measure rest

2013-03-10 Thread Jim Long
What is the recommended way to align a whole-note chord over a whole-measure rest? The rest gets centered in the bar, whereas the chord gets placed above where beat 1 of the measure would be. Thanks! Jim \version "2.16.1" \paper { ragged-last = ##f } \score { << \new ChordNames \chord

Re: override stencil question

2013-03-10 Thread David Nalesnik
Hi Rama, On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Rama Gottfried wrote: > Hi guys, > > I'm making progress, but now am stuck and wondering if you have any advice > or see anything I'm doing wrong here (code below). > > What I would like to be able to do is specify the handle coordinates for > the curve f

Re: \relative is not the best way of entering complicated music

2013-03-10 Thread Nick Payne
On 11/03/13 08:57, Sarah k Alawami wrote: Is there a way to memorize or through pattern recognition how many ' and , symbols it takes to jump octaves? Think of it in terms of staff lines or spaces: a note within a fifth of the previous note doesn't need ' or , to get the correct pitch, with ac

Re: lecker lek-ker in "old" German lyrics

2013-03-10 Thread Thomas Morley
2013/3/8 Klaus Föhl : > Hello, > > Some German lyrics from before the times of Neue Deutsche Rechtschreibung > feature ck between two syllables. Without Hyphen it is "lecker", with hyphen > it is "lek-ker". Using lec -- ker or lek -- ker ( on purpose not le -- cker) > the hyphen may or may not appe

Re: override stencil question

2013-03-10 Thread Rama Gottfried
Hi guys, I'm making progress, but now am stuck and wondering if you have any advice or see anything I'm doing wrong here (code below). What I would like to be able to do is specify the handle coordinates for the curve for each glissando. The problem I'm having is that it seems that all glissan

Re: Idle curiousity about ancient Lily-lore (fwd)

2013-03-10 Thread David Raleigh Arnold
On Sun, 2013-03-10 at 16:17 +0100, Johan Vromans wrote: > Martin Tarenskeen writes: > > > ... but without using uppercase to make parsing by the computer > > easier. > > Actually, it makes typing music easier. > > -- Johan I made an editing script which used capitals in exactly that way, and n

Re: \relative is not the best way of entering complicated music

2013-03-10 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Well I'm used to writing numbers as my theory person had us do for our key board tests so I see c4 and think, Oh middle c on the piano. so that's how I interpreted it in the docs as a middle c not a quarter note. I also misinterpreted the ' symbol to mean a single quote so it literally did mean

Re: \relative is not the best way of entering complicated music

2013-03-10 Thread David Kastrup
Sarah k Alawami writes: > Oh the docs messed up. lol! It was in the notes reference guide at the octave > checks section. > > Here is the example they gave. > > \relative c'' { > c2 d='4 d > e2 f > } > > > so I followed the directions unless I just red it wrong. lol! whichI > probably did

Re: Frescobaldi install (was: final score)

2013-03-10 Thread Paul Morris
On Mar 10, 2013, at 4:08 PM, flup2 wrote: > The "opt/" etc. path and the frescobaldi command must be on the same line. > They seem to be on 2 different lines in your command. Ah, right. The email formatting made it seem like they were on separate lines. I also realized that the cd /Library/...

Re: Idle curiousity about ancient Lily-lore

2013-03-10 Thread Anthonys Lists
On 10/03/2013 17:35, David Kastrup wrote: I have a hard time imagining what you'd be writing after \relative if you can't even remember the name of middle C. Without knowing at least_one_ absolute pitch, anchoring \relative will be a challenge. I simply crib the start of everything from previou

Re:Turn placed between notes

2013-03-10 Thread Kevin Patrick Barry
> > > The problem with that approach is that it does not adapt to LilyPond > > choosing to use wider or narrower spacing depending on the page layout. > > The problem with the other approach is that it involves more (and more > complex) code. > > Would an "\afterGrace-like" command for delayed turn

Re: \relative is not the best way of entering complicated music

2013-03-10 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Oh the docs messed up. lol! It was in the notes reference guide at the octave checks section. Here is the example they gave. \relative c'' { c2 d='4 d e2 f } so I followed the directions unless I just red it wrong. lol! whichI probably did as I was rushing to get the assignment done. lo

Re: Turn placed between notes

2013-03-10 Thread David Kastrup
Xavier Scheuer writes: > On 10 March 2013 17:27, David Kastrup wrote: >> >> The problem with that approach is that it does not adapt to LilyPond >> choosing to use wider or narrower spacing depending on the page layout. > > The problem with the other approach is that it involves more (and more >

Re: Frescobaldi install (was: final score)

2013-03-10 Thread flup2
The "opt/" etc. path and the frescobaldi command must be on the same line. They seem to be on 2 different lines in your command. If the problem doesn't lie there, I'll try to modify my launcher to make it work with your path. Philippe -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n

Re: Frescobaldi install (was: final score)

2013-03-10 Thread Paul Morris
On Mar 10, 2013, at 1:23 PM, flup2 wrote: > #!/bin/sh > > cd /Applications/frescobaldi > /opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/bin/python2.7 > frescobaldi Thank you for the instructions! When I installed frescobaldi, I just did the default install from the command lin

Re: Turn placed between notes

2013-03-10 Thread Xavier Scheuer
On 10 March 2013 17:27, David Kastrup wrote: > > The problem with that approach is that it does not adapt to LilyPond > choosing to use wider or narrower spacing depending on the page layout. The problem with the other approach is that it involves more (and more complex) code. Would an "\afterGr

Re: \relative is not the best way of entering complicated music

2013-03-10 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi David (et al.), > a) you can stay with your current usage easily enough Excellent! > b) letting convert-ly change all of your existing files without explicit > instruction would seem inappropriate +1 > c) in \relative { c'' ..., the pitch might not actually be c''. If you > are wired t

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-10 Thread David Kastrup
Jacques Menu writes: > Hello Folks, > > I'm rather new to Lily, and I don't have any cons/pro arguments about > this change. > > After reading the various reactions, a question : why not augment the > language with a new keyword? > Could be \relativeanchored or something, and would avoid the need

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-10 Thread Jacques Menu
Hello Folks, I'm rather new to Lily, and I don't have any cons/pro arguments about this change. After reading the various reactions, a question : why not augment the language with a new keyword? Could be \relativeanchored or something, and would avoid the need for doc, snippets and existing us

Re: Idle curiousity about ancient Lily-lore

2013-03-10 Thread David Kastrup
Wols Lists writes: > On 10/03/13 02:40, Jim Long wrote: > >> Why is "a" A 220, and not A 440? > > It isn't :-) It is. > Read up on "concert pitch" - the wikipedia article is interesting, not > only in the fact that concert pitch has a single-digit ISO standard to > its credit! > > And oh, I thi

Re: \relative is not the best way of entering complicated music

2013-03-10 Thread Wols Lists
On 10/03/13 03:47, Sarah k Alawami wrote: > 'd rather enter in the pitches like they are on a piano starting with c1 > being low c and c8 being very high c all the way to the right of the > keyboard. I assume you're a pianist? I'm not. So a piano-centric naming scheme would be of no use to me

Re: Idle curiousity about ancient Lily-lore

2013-03-10 Thread Wols Lists
On 10/03/13 02:40, Jim Long wrote: > Just curious, how did the absolute notation system come about? > > My main observations are that it is piano-centric, with > { c d e f g a b c' } being an intuitive sequence, while { a b c d > e f g a' } is less logical. Mmm, well, maybe that's not > piano-c

Re: Frescobaldi install (was: final score)

2013-03-10 Thread flup2
Hello, I though I posted it here or on the Frescobaldi Google group, but it seems I only posted it on the French user list. So here it is: Creation of a launcher : - * download "Platypus", that allows to integrate a script into a double-clickable Mac application * run

Re: Frescobaldi install (was: final score)

2013-03-10 Thread Paul Morris
On Mar 10, 2013, at 3:39 AM, flup2 wrote: > But as soon as the macports installation is done (between 1 and 4 hours > depending the computer age), anyone can create an .app bundle (I posted the > way to do it) that only includes a launch script. Hi Philippe, Can you point me to where you posted

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-10 Thread David Kastrup
Evan Driscoll writes: > On 03/10/2013 03:50 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > > The problem I have with talking much about \relative f is that f seems > arbitrary. However, maybe an explanation linking both of these concepts > and explaining how f is arrived at will allow both views to coexist. > >

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-10 Thread Paul Morris
On Mar 10, 2013, at 10:22 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > The proposed convert-ly rule of issue 2329 converts everything it can > interpret (which is the majority) to argumentless \relative. This > conversion is needed for converting the LilyPond code base, and it > should be available to the user as

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-10 Thread Evan Driscoll
On 03/10/2013 03:50 AM, David Kastrup wrote: The problem I have with talking much about \relative f is that f seems arbitrary. However, maybe an explanation linking both of these concepts and explaining how f is arrived at will allow both views to coexist. That's what I was trying to get at with

Re: Turn placed between notes

2013-03-10 Thread David Kastrup
Kevin Patrick Barry writes: > My preferred method for placing a turn between notes is to tweak the > X-offset, viz. > > c -\tweak #'X-offset #2 \turn > > and modify the value accordingly. Seems a bit simpler than the snippet > solution (which seems to produce a smaller turn than the default > art

Re: \relative is not the best way of entering complicated music

2013-03-10 Thread David Kastrup
Kieren MacMillan writes: > Hello all, > > Just thought I'd put my 2¢ in here… > > In the last year alone, I have Lilypounded two stage musicals, a > chamber opera, and about a dozen smaller pieces, with a range of > styles from Alan Menken to Arnold Schoenberg. So I believe I can > qualify as som

Re: Frescobaldi install (was: final score)

2013-03-10 Thread Tim McNamara
On Mar 10, 2013, at 4:45 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote: > On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 12:38 AM, Tim McNamara wrote: >> My last attempt to install it on my Mac to run in an X11 window resulted in >> literally hundreds of things being downloaded by MacPorts- dependencies for >> the dependencies for the depe

Re: Idle curiousity about ancient Lily-lore (fwd)

2013-03-10 Thread Johan Vromans
Martin Tarenskeen writes: > ... but without using uppercase to make parsing by the computer > easier. Actually, it makes typing music easier. -- Johan ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypon

Re:Turn placed between notes

2013-03-10 Thread Kevin Patrick Barry
My preferred method for placing a turn between notes is to tweak the X-offset, viz. c -\tweak #'X-offset #2 \turn and modify the value accordingly. Seems a bit simpler than the snippet solution (which seems to produce a smaller turn than the default articulation?). Kevin ___

Re: Turn placed between notes

2013-03-10 Thread David Kastrup
Keith OHara writes: > David Kastrup gnu.org> writes: > >> I don't think I get your point. > > It was that \once\hideNotes works fine. > > We do not need the complexities of \tweak or the new \single until we start > digging into chords. > > >> Keith OHara oco.net> writes: >> >> > David Kastrup

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-10 Thread David Kastrup
Jim Long writes: > I think 'recommended' is going too far. At least, I can't see > that one is always or nearly always better than the other. David > made some examples of when the proposal could be better, Not really. I just went into the Learning manual (intended for beginners) without look

Re: \relative is not the best way of entering complicated music

2013-03-10 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hello all, Just thought I'd put my 2¢ in here… In the last year alone, I have Lilypounded two stage musicals, a chamber opera, and about a dozen smaller pieces, with a range of styles from Alan Menken to Arnold Schoenberg. So I believe I can qualify as someone who has entered "complicated musi

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-10 Thread David Kastrup
Paul Morris writes: >> b) should convert-ly make user code walk through that door once? > > Hmmm... If people have been using an explicit reference pitch, > nothing changes in that case. The proposed convert-ly rule of issue 2329 converts everything it can interpret (which is the majority) to a

Re: \relative is not the best way of entering complicated music

2013-03-10 Thread David Kastrup
Colin Hall writes: > Keith OHara writes: > >> It took me years to realize that \relative was making LilyPond more >> difficult >> for me. I very often forget what was the last pitch I typed, >> especially when >> working on a few music expressions in parallel, and even when I do >> remember the >

Re: \relative is not the best way of entering complicated music

2013-03-10 Thread Colin Hall
Keith OHara writes: > It took me years to realize that \relative was making LilyPond more difficult > for me. I very often forget what was the last pitch I typed, especially when > working on a few music expressions in parallel, and even when I do remember > the > burden of deciding if the inter

Re: Frescobaldi install (was: final score)

2013-03-10 Thread Christ van Willegen
Hi, On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote: > I'm sorry that you have such problems. If i were you, i'd just > install some Linux in a Virtual Machine (it's not difficult) and > install Frescobaldi there. I conisder Frescobaldi to be much too > useful not to have it - in fact, i

Re: Idle curiousity about ancient Lily-lore

2013-03-10 Thread Karl Hammar
Jim Long: > Just curious, how did the absolute notation system come about? Do you mean in the program Lilypond, I don't know. > My main observations are that it is piano-centric, with It's the other way around, the notes are music-centric and the piano is a reasonable simplification of the scal

Re: Excellent paper on 'Copyfraud'

2013-03-10 Thread Hilary Snaden
On 2013-03-09 13:56, Urs Liska wrote: Am 09.03.2013 12:50, schrieb David Kastrup: james writes: On Mar 8, 2013, at 6:33 PM, Tim Slattery wrote: Mike Blackstock wrote: This paper might be of interest to anyone typesetting public domain music from so-called copyrighted scores: http://paper

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-10 Thread Janek Warchoł
:) On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:10 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > Janek Warchoł writes: > >> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Wim van Dommelen wrote: >>> Compared with the \clef behaviour, I see this variant: >>> melody = { \relative c='4 d e f g f e d c \absolute c,, d,, e,, f,, >>> g,, \relative c

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-10 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Wim van Dommelen wrote: > >> Compared with the \clef behaviour, I see this variant: >> >> melody = { \relative c='4 d e f g f e d c \absolute c,, d,, e,, f,, >> g,, \relative c=' d e f } > > I think this may be technically impossible (or

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-10 Thread David Kastrup
Wim van Dommelen writes: > melody = { \relative c='4 d e f g f e d c \absolute c,, d,, e,, f,, > g,, \relative c=' d e f } Executive summary: that's an unmaintainable nightmare. If you don't care about reading technical rants, you might as well stop reading now. > The { } only wrap the notes f

Re: lecker lek-ker in "old" German lyrics

2013-03-10 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Alexander Kobel wrote: > On a different side note, it'd also be really nice if one could specify that > no additional space should be introduced if there is no hyphen. At least > that's how hand-engraved scores seem to do if horizontal space is at a > premium: writ

Re: Frescobaldi install (was: final score)

2013-03-10 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 12:38 AM, Tim McNamara wrote: > My last attempt to install it on my Mac to run in an X11 window resulted in > literally hundreds of things being downloaded by MacPorts- dependencies for > the dependencies for the dependencies in what seemed to be nearly infinite > recurs

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-10 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Wim van Dommelen wrote: > > On 10 Mar 2013, at 10:06 , David Kastrup wrote: >> Barely tongue-in-cheek: >> >> absolute = >> #(define-music-function (parser location music) (ly:music?) >> (make-music 'TransposedMusic 'element music)) >> >> When placed inside of a

Re: Idle curiousity about ancient Lily-lore (fwd)

2013-03-10 Thread Martin Tarenskeen
On Sat, 9 Mar 2013, Jim Long wrote: Just curious, how did the absolute notation system come about? My main observations are that it is piano-centric, with { c d e f g a b c' } being an intuitive sequence, while { a b c d e f g a' } is less logical. Mmm, well, maybe that's not piano-centric,

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-10 Thread Martin Tarenskeen
On Sat, 9 Mar 2013, Paul Morris wrote: On Mar 9, 2013, at 10:05 PM, Jim Long wrote: I would rather not have convert-ly change any use of \relative with an explicit reference pitch. That was my thought too. Of course it would be possible, but since there would be no change to the usage

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-10 Thread Wim van Dommelen
On 10 Mar 2013, at 10:06 , David Kastrup wrote: Wim van Dommelen writes: Agree, we should have an easy way to switch from absolute to relative (Yes, everthing inside \relative { } is relative, all other is absolute, I know), like: \absolute: from here on everything is absolute like \clef bas

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-10 Thread David Kastrup
Jim Long writes: > On Sat, Mar 09, 2013 at 11:40:14AM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: >> >> Well, the new mnemonic would be "first pitch after \relative is >> absolute" > > I'm not sure whether this is profound or profane, so please > excuse, but > > For just the case of \relative WITHOUT a refe

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-10 Thread David Kastrup
Wim van Dommelen writes: > Agree, we should have an easy way to switch from absolute to relative > (Yes, everthing inside \relative { } is relative, all other is > absolute, I know), like: \absolute: from here on everything is > absolute like \clef bass tells me: from here on display everything i

Re: \relative is not the best way of entering complicated music

2013-03-10 Thread David Kastrup
Sarah k Alawami writes: > I actually tried the let's say e='t or how ever the docs were > written. I don't have them up at the moment and it failed with unknown > rhythm. Iactually meant e5 on the piano. so how would have I fixed > this if I had if I remember > > [relative c'' for middle c if I

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-10 Thread David Kastrup
Evan Driscoll writes: > On 3/9/2013 7:31 PM, Jim Long wrote: >> So if somehow I've made two consecutive correct postulates, >> wouldn't a user who used the mnemonic: >> >> "If no reference pitch is given, then the first pitch after >> \relative is relative to f" >> >> ... >> >> So, addressing

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-10 Thread Wim van Dommelen
Regards, Wim. On 9 Mar 2013, at 05:45 , Keith OHara wrote: Colin Hall gmail.com> writes: In my early days with Lilypond I learned this to my cost. I've never used \relative since then. I stopped using \relative about a year ago, because absolute note entry is vastly easier. Not if y

Re: Frescobaldi install

2013-03-10 Thread Martin Tarenskeen
On Sat, 9 Mar 2013, SoundsFromSound wrote: "In GNU/Linux it is a small nightmare to install" Really? Wow...not for me, it must have been a fluke or something. Ubuntu and Mint all download Frescobaldi from the repo with one click. Sorry you had problems! Hope it's all fixed for you now! :)