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On 27/05/2016 07:16, Michael Hendry wrote: Other mysteries (to me!) may also be explained in a similar way: Why aren’t trumpets and clarinets made a bit shorter, so that they don’t have to have transposed parts? Well, they DON'T need transposed parts. You just need to learn a different

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> On 27 May 2016, at 08:16, Michael Hendry wrote: >> Don't forget, G# and Fb are NOT the same note. > > This is where my lack of formal musical education shows me up - I’m a > self-taught amateur guitarist. F# and Gb look and sound the same on the > guitar (and on

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> Le 27 mai 2016 à 08:16, Michael Hendry a écrit : > Other instruments are constructed and tuned so as to sound good in certain > keys and not so good in others, so it’s feasible that an orchestra could > sound better playing in sharp keys. I was told that the open

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> On 27 May 2016, at 09:59, Thomas Morley wrote: > > 2016-05-27 8:16 GMT+02:00 Michael Hendry : >> >>> On 27 May 2016, at 00:53, Wols Lists wrote: >>> >>> On 26/05/16 10:43, Olivier Biot wrote: On

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2016-05-27 10:44 GMT+02:00 Martin Tarenskeen : > > Reminds we of this version of a well known birthday song ... > > For the laziest, \version "2.19.41" \header { title = "Fatal Birthday" } \score { \relative { \time 3/4 \partial 4 deses'8. bis16 cisis4

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2016-05-27 8:16 GMT+02:00 Michael Hendry : > >> On 27 May 2016, at 00:53, Wols Lists wrote: >> >> On 26/05/16 10:43, Olivier Biot wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, 26 May 2016, Michael Hendry >>

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On Fri, 27 May 2016, David Kastrup wrote: Wols Lists writes: Don't forget, G# and Fb are NOT the same note. Cough cough. Reminds we of this version of a well known birthday song ... -- MT___ lilypond-user mailing

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Wols Lists writes: > Don't forget, G# and Fb are NOT the same note. Cough cough. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

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> On 27 May 2016, at 00:53, Wols Lists wrote: > > On 26/05/16 10:43, Olivier Biot wrote: >> >> >> On Thursday, 26 May 2016, Michael Hendry > > wrote: >> >>I seem to have struck an interesting chord,

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On 26/05/16 10:43, Olivier Biot wrote: > > > On Thursday, 26 May 2016, Michael Hendry > wrote: > > I seem to have struck an interesting chord, here! > > > Definitely! > > > Another phenomenon about which I have doubts

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On 26/05/16 08:34, Werner LEMBERG wrote: >> > "Perfect pitch" is a sham. [...] > It seems that you don't know the facts very well. Absolute pitch is > *not* related to being a `better' musician. In fact, it's not even > related to music. Have a look at the Wikipedia article; it gives a > nice

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> On 26 May 2016, at 16:48, Kieren MacMillan > wrote: > >> "Perfect pitch" is a sham. > > For discussion: > > (and several related videos of the same young boy) A video for those without absolute pitch: trying to

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> On 26 May 2016, at 20:17, Johan Vromans wrote: > > On Thu, 26 May 2016 10:48:44 -0400 > Kieren MacMillan wrote: > >> For discussion: >> > > Provided the video is bona fide, this is merely a

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On Thu, 26 May 2016 10:48:44 -0400 Kieren MacMillan wrote: > For discussion: > Provided the video is bona fide, this is merely a good example of someone who is capable of memorizing the 12 tones of the piano. Which, as

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On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Kieren MacMillan [via Lilypond] < ml-node+s1069038n191005...@n5.nabble.com> wrote: > > "Perfect pitch" is a sham. > > For discussion: > > (and several related videos of the same young boy) > > Cheers, > Kieren. > One

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> On 26 May 2016, at 17:40, Jacques Menu Muzhic wrote: > My bassoon teacher told me the same, and in particular that D major is the > brightest key on our instrument (440). So I asked whether it’s E flat major > on the baroque instrument (415). > > And the answer is

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> Le 26 mai 2016 à 09:57, Michael Hendry a écrit : > > > I seem to have struck an interesting chord, here! > > Another phenomenon about which I have doubts involves people who claim that > when they hear music in “sharp” keys (e.g. G, D, A, E) their experience is of

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> "Perfect pitch" is a sham. For discussion: (and several related videos of the same young boy) Cheers, Kieren. Kieren MacMillan, composer ‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info ‣ email: i...@kierenmacmillan.info

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Hi Michael, > but how do those gifted with perfect pitch cope with all this? First off, I wouldn’t exactly call it a “gift”: it’s actually quite irritating at times. For example, it is essentially impossible for me to play a piece on an electronic piano with the “Transpose” button engaged. As

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On Thu, 26 May 2016, Michael Hendry wrote: > Another phenomenon about which I have doubts involves people who claim > that when they hear music in “sharp” keys (e.g. G, D, A, E) their > experience is of brightness, while the flat keys make for a more sombre > sound. I’ve even heard in a radio

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> On 26 May 2016, at 09:57, Michael Hendry wrote: > Another phenomenon about which I have doubts involves people who claim that > when they hear music in “sharp” keys (e.g. G, D, A, E) their experience is of > brightness, while the flat keys make for a more sombre

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On Thursday, 26 May 2016, Johan Vromans wrote: > On Thu, 26 May 2016 08:57:31 +0100 > Michael Hendry > wrote: > > > Another phenomenon about which I have doubts involves people who claim > > that when they hear music in “sharp” keys

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On Thu, 26 May 2016 08:57:31 +0100 Michael Hendry wrote: > Another phenomenon about which I have doubts involves people who claim > that when they hear music in “sharp” keys (e.g. G, D, A, E) their > experience is of brightness, while the flat keys make for a more

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On Thursday, 26 May 2016, Michael Hendry wrote: > I seem to have struck an interesting chord, here! Definitely! > Another phenomenon about which I have doubts involves people who claim > that when they hear music in “sharp” keys (e.g. G, D, A, E) their > experience

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> On 26 May 2016, at 08:49, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > >>> Absolutely fascinating stuff but bizarre all the considerations >>> that affect pitch over time. >> >> Off topic, I know, but how do those gifted with perfect pitch cope >> with all this? > > They simply dispair. I speak

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> I think you might have misunderstood what I was saying. [...] OK, I misunderstood :-) Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

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> On 26 May 2016, at 08:02, N. Andrew Walsh wrote: > > > > Off topic, I know, but how do those gifted with perfect pitch cope with all > this? > > Michael > > You ready for some polemic? > > "Perfect pitch" is a sham. It's a fraud perpetuated by people who think

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On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > > "Perfect pitch" is a sham. [...] > > It seems that you don't know the facts very well. Absolute pitch is > *not* related to being a `better' musician. In fact, it's not even > related to music. Have a look at the

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BTW : are there people with 415 Hz perfect pitch, and others with 442 Hz? > Le 26 mai 2016 à 09:41, Jacques Menu Muzhic a écrit : > > I once played near a timpani guy who told me: « I hear a G, thus you’re > playing an F » ! > > Sort of « one tone off » perfect pitch…

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I once played near a timpani guy who told me: « I hear a G, thus you’re playing an F » ! Sort of « one tone off » perfect pitch… JM > Le 26 mai 2016 à 09:34, Werner LEMBERG a écrit : > > >> "Perfect pitch" is a sham. [...] > > It seems that you don't know the facts very

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> "Perfect pitch" is a sham. [...] It seems that you don't know the facts very well. Absolute pitch is *not* related to being a `better' musician. In fact, it's not even related to music. Have a look at the Wikipedia article; it gives a nice overview. In general, I consider having an

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> > > > Off topic, I know, but how do those gifted with perfect pitch cope with > all this? > > Michael > You ready for some polemic? "Perfect pitch" is a sham. It's a fraud perpetuated by people who think that some of us are simply born musical geniuses, with an innate ability to sense the

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>> Absolutely fascinating stuff but bizarre all the considerations >> that affect pitch over time. > > Off topic, I know, but how do those gifted with perfect pitch cope > with all this? They simply dispair. I speak from experience :-) To a certain extent (say, plus-minus a whole note) I can

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> On 25 May 2016, at 22:42, Shane Brandes wrote: > > A440 was made an ISO standard in 1955. Bands (orchestral) still > routinely ignore it. The pitch was raised especially during the late > 19th century partially due to the ability of pianos to withstand > greater string

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A440 was made an ISO standard in 1955. Bands (orchestral) still routinely ignore it. The pitch was raised especially during the late 19th century partially due to the ability of pianos to withstand greater string tension which gave the ability to produce louder sound to cover larger and larger

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On Wed, 25 May 2016 17:38:55 +0100 Wols Lists wrote: > Maybe I didn't word it very well. Take a Baroque part, written for eg > A=400, and try and sing it at the modern A=440 without transposing it. > > Painful ... in other words the pitch has risen but, obviously, our

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Someone mentioned local organ tuning as explaining historical differences. The one at Abbatiale de Payerne (Switzerland) is 422 Hz: http://www.abbatiale-payerne.ch/musique/orgues/orgue-paroissiale/ see near the bottom of the page. I was told about it by my oboe teacher, who often plays

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On 25/05/16 07:05, Johan Vromans wrote: > Since we're OT anyhow... > > On Tue, 24 May 2016 13:58:48 +0100 > Anthonys Lists wrote: > >> Not a modern phenomenon. A lot of Baroque parts are almost unsingable in >> the original pitch because they were written for A=400 or

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The reference pitch wasn't standardised until quite late in history, and there were many local variations (some related to organ pitch). If you were a composer writing in a place with a low pitch standard, you might write the parts higher on paper. Thus Purcell's theatrical music (female roles

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Hi Johan, > But my question was: Why are they "almost unsingable" in the original > pitch? Did the human voice get higher since? For centuries, women weren’t allowed to sing in church. So men and boys had to cover all parts, including the higher ones. Although boy sopranos and altos have

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On Wed, 25 May 2016 10:42:34 +0200 Olivier Biot wrote: > Isn't that related to the independent church organ tunings back then: the > higher they were tuned, the brigher they sounded in a church. A=400 is almost a G. It's lower. But my question was: Why are they "almost

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Isn't that related to the independent church organ tunings back then: the higher they were tuned, the brigher they sounded in a church. Sadly, the human voice cannot be tuned up the same way an organ can... See e.g. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgelton (in German). On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 8:05

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Since we're OT anyhow... On Tue, 24 May 2016 13:58:48 +0100 Anthonys Lists wrote: > Not a modern phenomenon. A lot of Baroque parts are almost unsingable in > the original pitch because they were written for A=400 or somesuch. Why are they almost unsingable? They

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- Original Message - From: "Anthonys Lists" <antli...@youngman.org.uk> To: "N. Andrew Walsh" <n.andrew.wa...@gmail.com>; "lilypond-user" <lilypond-user@gnu.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 1:58 PM Subject: Re: OT: high-precision tuner a

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On 23/05/2016 18:38, N. Andrew Walsh wrote: it's very common to describe a pitch with something like "C# -49.52c" where the latter part is a deviation in cents from a standard reference pitch (which can also be set as "A440" or some other tuning pitch [which is sometimes necessary when dealing

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Hello Andrew, I'd like to add a few thoughts to this topic: [...]Also, in relation to accuracy, no phone tuner app is more accurate than 0.1 cent[...] Indeed! Most tuning programs measure the frequency via FFT (Fast Fourier Transformation), which gets only fine results, if you use a

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Hello Andrew, Apart from doing engraving scores with lilypond, I am also a harpsichord maker (and tuner obviously) and a player. I have decades of experience doing professional tuning. Also having a background in maths and computing, I take an interest in temperaments, tuning theory, and

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On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 1:38 PM, N. Andrew Walsh wrote: > Hi List, > > I'm guessing somebody on the list might be able to help me with a somewhat > off-topic issue. > > For whatever reason (or rather: see my previous posts to the list about my > interest in just

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On Mon, 23 May 2016 19:38:13 +0200 "N. Andrew Walsh" wrote: According to the documentation of DA Tuner: http://www.applaudapps.net/?page_id=18 Custom temperaments can be applied to DaTuner. You can also provide your own custom temperament files – after the first

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Hi Urs, Intunator does not seem to allow me to *set* the deviation in cents, which is what I need. That is, I need to pre-set the tuner to "B-flat minus 45.62 cents" or whatever, and then be able to use it to tune my instrument to match. Cheers, A On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Urs Liska

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Intunator could be good for you. Am 23. Mai 2016 19:38:13 MESZ, schrieb "N. Andrew Walsh" : >Hi List, > >I'm guessing somebody on the list might be able to help me with a >somewhat >off-topic issue. > >For whatever reason (or rather: see my previous posts to the list